USS Hornet Net Moving to VHF/UHF and IRLP

Due to the urban lifestyle of many of the members of the USS Hornet ARC, we have decided to move our weekly Net from 80 Meters to VHF/UHF/IRLP. We have been conducting many tests and we have worked out most of the bugs. Our last big test will occur on 05NOV03 at 2030 PST. If that test is successful, and at this point we have no reason to believe that it won't be, the USS Hornet Net will meet there weekly. In the SF Bay Area the 147.210 repeater in Oakland is best. For those outside the area we will be linked to the IRLP Western Reflector at 9251. That's subchannel 1 for those of you who are still figuring out this technology like I am! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif We invite anyone on the planet who has IRLP access to link to the Western Reflector Subchannel 1, 9251, at 2030 PST on 05NOV03 to join us and check in on the Net. And on every Wednesday night after that. You do not need to be a member of the USS Hornet ARC to check in. All are welcome.

[w5tfw]

echo link would have been easier for most people I do believe.

Joey w5tfw http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[W5HTW]

Goodbye

[KD7SWL]

I'll try to get on the net myself, the IRLP repeater I can hit is difficult for me to get on my HT(Snowbird in Utah), but I'll see if the new yagi I made will work. #I can't get the IRLP repeater that is closer due to geographical obstructions.

But the echo link is way easier since the repeater is very close to me, I can use my rubber duck no problem, but using my PC seems so sterile. #Kind of like... it's not ham radio, and it's just a voice chat room.

probably get flamed for this, but it is my first time posting so cut me some slack. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

Hope you hear from me then,

KD7SWL
Jim

[WD8OQX]

Due to the urban lifestyle of many of the members

I don't intend to belittle or degrade what you are doing. I only wish to understand. Would you please explain in more detail? It seems to me that there should be a combination that would work to keep HF in use.

TNX - 73

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WD8OQX @ Nov. 02 2003,19:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Due to the urban lifestyle of many of the members

I don't intend to belittle or degrade what you are doing. I only wish to understand. Would you please explain in more detail? It seems to me that there should be a combination that would work to keep HF in use.

TNX - 73[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
If you are willing to purchase the land needed to erect the antennas and also donate the HF equipment to our members who do not have any, we will consider keeping the Net on HF! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Seriously, it's the easiest and cheapest way for all of our membership to communicate on a regular and reliable basis. Due to the geographic and antenna problems presented by the use of 80 Meters combined with the fact that 80% of our membership was excluded from the Net due to it's use, this is the best move available to our group. We will still be meeting for our informal meetings each evening on 3.857 at 2130 PST.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w5tfw @ Nov. 02 2003,15:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">echo link would have been easier for most people I do believe.

# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #Joey # w5tfw http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Echolink does not require a radio to use it. It may be operated by a computer. We discussed this and chose IRLP as a secondary link because it requires the use of a radio at both sides of the QSO. It is merely a linking system much the same as repeaters have been linked together via phone lines and such for decades. The IRLP system is already in place over the geographic area that we must cover to meet our members needs. Which, of course, is our primary concern in making this change. The fact that folks from outside the area may also check in is merely icing on the cake and not of primary concern.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W5HTW @ Nov. 02 2003,17:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Goodbye[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
And you checked into our Net how many times while it was on 80 Meters? It seems odd to say goodbye when you never said hello! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I think this statement says it all. Yes, Echolink would have been easier for many people including myself; but IRLP requiring a radio at both ends of the connection keeps the "purity" of being a radio club net in place. Congratulations to your club for examining the current conditions of your club members and making an informed decision on how to proceed into the future. It's great to know that not all hams are stuck in the past.

Echolink does not require a radio to use it. It may be operated by a computer. We discussed this and chose IRLP as a secondary link because it requires the use of a radio at both sides of the QSO. It is merely a linking system much the same as repeaters have been linked together via phone lines and such for decades.

[N2OBY]

A shame...

Real Amateur Radio Travels Through The Air, NOT The Internet!

Remember - Friends Don't Let Friends Use Echolink© (or IRLP© or WIRES©).

-Ken N2OBY

[WA3KYY]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N2OBY @ Nov. 03 2003,09:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A shame...

Real Amateur Radio Travels Through The Air, NOT The Internet!

Remember - Friends Don't Let Friends Use Echolink© (or IRLP© or WIRES©).

-Ken N2OBY[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Then I guess all those statewide and larger regional repeaters linked via dedicated phone lines are not Real Amatuer Radio either. At least with IRLP the only way to connect is via radio to your local node.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N2OBY @ Nov. 03 2003,09:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A shame...

Real Amateur Radio Travels Through The Air, NOT The Internet!

Remember - Friends Don't Let Friends Use Echolink© (or IRLP© or WIRES©).

-Ken N2OBY[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Ken,

Then I hope you don't use 2 Meters much as all of the linked repeater systems have been using similar technology for decades. IRLP is really nothing new. It's just a new twist on old technology. And if it makes you feel any better, our members will not be checking in using IRLP. We simply chose a repeater that has these capabilities to be inclusive of people outside of our area if they would like to check in. That which cannot adapt to it's changing environment will be selected by nature to die. Therein lies the true shame! Of course if you have several million dollars to donate for us to setup an HF Net for all of our urban members then I'd be more than happy to discuss it's construction with you.

[W7LGK]

Time after time people who either are lazy or just simply refuse to do what is required to obtain a ham license. #You then buy a computer and/or 2 meter radio and exclaim to the whole world that "You are now a ham radio operator". #This is so far from the truth that it defies logic. #If someone simply refuses to learn to drive a car, should we then say that you don't need a license or that we will now have wheelchairs and scooters on the highway? #IRLP, ECHOLINK, and any other means of communicating via telephone or computer (internet) is NOT amateur radio. #Those of us who have toiled over the code and the technical aspects of amateur radio insist that those who follow us should do it in the tradition and manner that we followed others before us. #If you wish to slam me, be my guest as I've been slammed by experts, but, you will only be justifying my viewpoint. #You'd rather slam others, call them old farts, and wish they'd die so you can take over and ruin ham radio. #This is only more of what our country is coming to, if you don't want to obey the laws and rules, then of course, change it so you don't have to. #Having said this, good luck to the USS Hornet. #Go Navy! #Beat Army!!!

73's
Lonny - W7LGK

[ki4bgo]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N2OBY @ Nov. 03 2003,12:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A shame...

Real Amateur Radio Travels Through The Air, NOT The Internet!

Remember - Friends Don't Let Friends Use Echolink© (or IRLP© or WIRES©).

-Ken N2OBY[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
ABSOLUTELY!!!! If I want to "talk" on a computer I'll use yahoo or msn messenger! The computer is in the den. The radios are in the radio room. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

May I remind you Gentlemen that this information was not presented for a debate of opinion. But as a proclomation of fact. If you like it, fine. If you don't, tough! It is what it is! So go piss in your own Cheerios! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[N3TTN]

Congrats to the USS Hornet ARC! Pay no attention to the "I had to pull a plow with a mule, so you should too" crowd. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif


73, N3TTN

[N8YV]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (NB6GC @ Nov. 03 2003,17:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">May I remind you Gentlemen that this information was not presented for a debate of opinion. But as a proclomation of fact. If you like it, fine. If you don't, tough! It is what it is![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
If this is the case, why bother with the post in the first place? Posting this on QRZ was obviously not for your own benefit, as the decision to change venues was already known among your group members.

It can be likened to a group of banquet attendees announcing to the rest of the patrons in a restaurant, "Hey everyone, we've all decided to leave now..."

Fine! Goodbye! Arrivederci, baby! See ya later, even!

[N3TTN]

What part of " We invite everyone who has IRLP access to join the net" did you not understand?? Sheesh...there's one in every crowd, go figure. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif Now, about those cheerios....time for you to eat. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[AE6IP]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W7LGK @ Nov. 03 2003,11:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Time after time people who either are lazy or just simply refuse to do what is required to obtain a ham license. #You then buy a computer and/or 2 meter radio and exclaim to the whole world that "You are now a ham radio operator". #This is so far from the truth that it defies logic.
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Fortunately, the universe does not conform to your concept of "logic." The technician's license is an amateur operator's license and those who hold it provide a large proportion of the volunteer service provided by hams.

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If someone simply refuses to learn to drive a car, should we then say that you don't need a license or that we will now have wheelchairs and scooters on the highway? #IRLP, ECHOLINK, and any other means of communicating via telephone or computer (internet) is NOT amateur radio.
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Linked UHF and VHF repeaters may not qualify according to your private definition of what is amateur radio, but they do, in fact play a vital role in the service aspect of amateur radio. Almost all EMCOMM is provided using repeaters, often on linked repeaters. You may dismiss this part of amateur radio, but, fortunately, the ARRL, the served agencies, and the FCC do not.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Those of us who have toiled over the code and the technical aspects of amateur radio insist that those who follow us should do it in the tradition and manner that we followed others before us.
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

You may wish what you like, but you are not the arbitrator of what is, or isn't amateur radio. You're just another ham, just like the rest of us.

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If you wish to slam me, be my guest as I've been slammed by experts, but, you will only be justifying my viewpoint.
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

I have no desire to slam you. You make your own case, good or bad, from your own words, and no one needs my guidance in judging you.

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You'd rather slam others, call them old farts, and wish they'd die so you can take over and ruin ham radio.
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

It's plump, and well formed, that strawman of yours, but it bears no resemblence to what I wish. I'm a VE, Lonny, and an ARRL certified instructor. I mentor kids who wish to become amateurs, and I participate in ARES/RACES. I've been involved in radio and electronics for nearly 30 years, going back to when I was chief engineer of a college radio station. I contest and I QSO, and I'm chasing 10-10 numbers. Exactly which of these activities are "ruining" ham radio?

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This is only more of what our country is coming to, if you don't want to obey the laws and rules, then of course, change it so you don't have to.
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

It's a hobby, Lonny, and like all hobbies, with time comes changes. the internet is part of the fabric of our society now, and it won't go away anytime soon. For hams to not incorporate it into amateur radio would be backward looking and self defeating.

73,

Marty AE6IP

[K0ZZE]

well put!!!! jason&jason gives you two thumbs up. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[k1lwi]

how about echolink guys only one repeater on irlp this area 145.390 in scituate,ma not member think about echolink good luck 73 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[KQ6XA]

It would be rather easy for any one of the net members who have 75m SSB to patch it into their 2m rig so that some of the net could continue using HF.

For an HF net I participate in, we sometimes have a few Echolink HF SSB stations in different areas of the country running on the frequency. We often have HF portable, pedestrian, and mobile stations connecting up. Echolink is not just for VHF/UHF repeaters. The best of both worlds. It makes a great way to increase participation and interest in HF nets.

73 Bonnie

[n7sij]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N3TTN @ Nov. 03 2003,15:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Congrats to the USS Hornet ARC! Pay no attention to the "I had to pull a plow with a mule, so you should too" crowd. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif


73, N3TTN[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
n3ttn, right-on bud, see ya on the bands or the internet
which ever we feel like using at the time !!!

73s, Ron
N7SIJ http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KX4SAM]

Echolink, ILRP, why not start an YAHOO CHAT ROOM, and call it what it is, internet.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KX4SAM @ Nov. 03 2003,21:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Echolink, ILRP, why not start an YAHOO CHAT ROOM, and call it what it is, internet.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Let us know how much clues cost in your area and we'll see if we can't raise the funds for you to buy one! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[kf4vgx]

I think your doing a great service for your members!
As I see IRLP or Echolink its just a long feedline without high SWR going out over RF at any given location.
You my friend know what the word Hobby is . I also know with EchoIRLP others from the Echolink side can join in also at your option. The thing about Echolink is it allows computer connections .As I have found to be a great a way to pass traffic for those that cannot put up Antennas. Many elder hams connected to my Echolink node just to carry on a conversation on the RF side of my Repeater.Good hams wanting to have a conversation with a fellow ham. Echolink software allows you the user to control what connects up to your uplink .
Repeaters only or links only or even computers its your option to allow who will be on your system .It will also allow you to blockout any person that may become a problem for your net . Either way both systems serve a purpose it was your option and your choice as a fellow ham to chose between the two . Ill be checkin in on your net from time to time . But if someones starts tuning up 5 kcs off I'm outta there .
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif



Keep the word HOBBY in Ham Radio !

[K0RGR]

This sounds like a great idea, as long as those that want to participate can get access. IRLP isn't available everywhere, so you probably should encourage some people to act as 'gateways' to HF for those who can't find an IRLP node. Of course, this might lead to the creation of more IRLP nodes, too.

This month's QST has a well-written Op-Ed piece titled "Lets Put the Radio back in Ham Radio" and condemning all VoIP modes like IRLP. I say 'Let's put the Ham back in Ham Radio'. Amateurs are supposed to be innovative. Radio that never changes is not amateur radio, either. IRLP is a hybrid that may, in many cases, provide a communications solution to a problem that didn't exist 50 years ago.

There appears to be a misconception here that I need to address. I have received several emails bemoaning the idea that we are moving our Net to IRLP. We are NOT moving our Net to IRLP! We are moving our Net to a VHF/UHF Repeater! By pure coincidence this repeater happens to have IRLP access. Due to that I invited anyone who wishes to join us on our Net via that system. I hope this clears up the specious scuttlebutt that has been circulating about the USS Hornet Net moving to IRLP. If you knew anything at all about the IRLP system then you would know that it would be impossible for us to move our Net to that technology anyway! It is merely a tool by which repeaters may be linked. Not a system by which communications can be carried on without radios. I hope this clears up this misconception. If not, at this point I couldn’t give a Flying Walinda! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[n8ary]

If you don't use Revell Model Airplane Kits and Model Airplane Glue, then it's not really building models. #If you are cutting your own pieces out of wood and using Cyanoacrilate glue, It's NOT REAL HOBBYING! #You have to USE THE RIGHT NAME BRAND AND NOT SUBSTITUTE ANYTHING. #You are doing your hobby all wrong! #You should do your hobby EXACTLY the way I do MY hobby, OR YOU ARE NOT REALLY HOBBYING. #BLAH BLAH BLAH



Thanks for the information in the original post, by the way.

73,

Andrew

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you knew anything at all about the IRLP system then you would know that it would be impossible for us to move our Net to that technology anyway! It is merely a tool by which repeaters may be linked. Not a system by which communications can be carried on without radios. I hope this clears up this misconception. If not, at this point I couldn’t give a Flying Walinda! [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Actually, I think it COULD be used without a radio. It just is not procedurally allowed. The only thing different between IRLP and Echolink/others is PROCEDURE. I support all of them and think they are GREAT. I even have my own link.

[m0wac]

Hi there, I find it amazing that so many people can take things completely out of context and make five into fifty five. There is an old saying that applies to a hell of a lot of situations, it goes as follows:- You can please some of the people some of the time. You can please all of the people some of the time. BUT you can not please all of the people ALL of the time. It may be worth remembering the saying and count to three before responding to some of the people who's attitude is to attempt to decry all that others try to do. Good luck with your new net set up. I certainly hope it works for your members. 73 de Keith m0wac (DERBY UK).

[N4EBC]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AE6IP @ Nov. 03 2003,16:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W7LGK @ Nov. 03 2003,11:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Time after time people who either are lazy or just simply refuse to do what is required to obtain a ham license. #You then buy a computer and/or 2 meter radio and exclaim to the whole world that "You are now a ham radio operator". #This is so far from the truth that it defies logic.
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Fortunately, the universe does not conform to your concept of "logic." #The technician's license is an amateur operator's license and those who hold it provide a large proportion of the volunteer service provided by hams.

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If someone simply refuses to learn to drive a car, should we then say that you don't need a license or that we will now have wheelchairs and scooters on the highway? #IRLP, ECHOLINK, and any other means of communicating via telephone or computer (internet) is NOT amateur radio.
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Linked UHF and VHF repeaters may not qualify according to your private definition of what is amateur radio, but they do, in fact play a vital role in the service aspect of amateur radio. Almost all EMCOMM is provided using repeaters, often on linked repeaters. #You may dismiss this part of amateur radio, but, fortunately, the ARRL, the served agencies, and the FCC do not.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Those of us who have toiled over the code and the technical aspects of amateur radio insist that those who follow us should do it in the tradition and manner that we followed others before us.
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

You may wish what you like, but you are not the arbitrator of what is, or isn't amateur radio. You're just another ham, just like the rest of us.

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If you wish to slam me, be my guest as I've been slammed by experts, but, you will only be justifying my viewpoint.
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

I have no desire to slam you. You make your own case, good or bad, from your own words, and no one needs my guidance in judging you.

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You'd rather slam others, call them old farts, and wish they'd die so you can take over and ruin ham radio.
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

It's plump, and well formed, that strawman of yours, but it bears no resemblence to what I wish. I'm a VE, Lonny, and an ARRL certified instructor. I mentor kids who wish to become amateurs, and I participate in ARES/RACES. I've been involved in radio and electronics for nearly 30 years, going back to when I was chief engineer of a college radio station. I contest and I QSO, and I'm chasing 10-10 numbers. Exactly which of these activities are "ruining" ham radio?

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This is only more of what our country is coming to, if you don't want to obey the laws and rules, then of course, change it so you don't have to.
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

It's a hobby, Lonny, and like all hobbies, with time comes changes. the internet is part of the fabric of our society now, and it won't go away anytime soon. For hams to not incorporate it into amateur radio would be backward looking and self defeating.

73,

Marty AE6IP[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Thank you for this post as you have made so many valid points I'll just let this post speak for it self.

We are all entitled to our opinions just as we all have noses we all have opinions.

Like it or not the internet is part of our lives IRLP and ECHO Link are just another mode we can use to communicate.

Ham radio is a hobby with a important purpose but a hobby none the less and if one chooses to use IRLP and the internet to communicate who are we to judge. If it's with in the rules then whats the harm?

I think it's great that there are yet more ways to communicate in this great hobby I enjoy so much!!

[k5co]

WEll, as so many seem to think that the Internet is a good part of "our times", why don't you move the whole blinkin' thing to a chat room and leave the radio spectrum open for use by HAMS?

KD5PSH

[KH6A]

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Dang them tubes! Spark gap forever!

[AE6IP]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD5PSH @ Nov. 05 2003,16:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">WEll, as so many seem to think that the Internet is a good part of "our times", why don't you move the whole blinkin' thing to a chat room and leave the radio spectrum open for use by HAMS?

KD5PSH[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
My favorite personal story about the internet is about how, in the early days, we used to deliberately route packets around the world via satellite links, just to watch the round trip times of geosync hops.

My personal record was to go all the way round the world on 4 satellite links, for 8 hops and a total of 5.2 seconds round trip time.

Now I simply limit my internet RF to the 811.2b network in my house. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[ag9r]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif6--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N2OBY @ Nov. 03 2003,09http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif6)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A shame...

Real Amateur Radio Travels Through The Air, NOT The Internet!

Remember - Friends Don't Let Friends Use Echolink© (or IRLP© or WIRES©).

-Ken N2OBY[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Same could be said for " Friends dont let Friend Drive Hondas" LOL http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[k5co]

When the power grid goes down and the telephone systems are fouled by sabotage, there are many of us that will be ready as we can communicate without these systems, on our own power, and our NETs are frequent practice for same.

We have enemies that are devising schemes to down the Internet and cell phones and power all at once. We know from interviews at Gitmo that radio stations will also be on that list. (These folks are really serious!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Perhaps any ARC should think twice about being dependant upon public utilities. The best move amateurs can make today is toward both local and long range communication without needing outside poower or fuels for several weeks.

KD5PSH

[kb6ssn]

I'm sure it will just bother you nay sayers to no end that the Net was a resounding success! The entire membership of the USS Hornet ARC was able to check in on the repeater. For the first time in the history of the group! And we even had check ins from all over the world via the IRLP system. This is obviously the right tool for the job. For those of you who are actually living in the 21st century, we'll see you next week in the same place! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[kb6ssn]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KH6A @ Nov. 05 2003,17:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif6--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N2OBY @ Nov. 03 2003,09http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif6)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Real Amateur Radio Travels Through The Air, NOT The Internet![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
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ROTFLMAO!!!! Now THAT was funny! I wonder how this mental giant thinks the signals get to the repeaters? Or back out of the repeaters for that matter.

[W9WHE]

Now...if only we could move those darn contests to ILRP, we could solve some REAL problems!

[AE6IP]

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That's good to know. How, precisely, are you going to handle the approximately 27 billion phone calls made in the US each day?

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We have enemies that are devising schemes to down the Internet and cell phones and power all at once. We know from interviews at Gitmo that radio stations will also be on that list. (These folks are really serious!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
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Um, the cold war's over.

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Perhaps any ARC should think twice about being dependant upon public utilities. The best move amateurs can make today is toward both local and long range communication without needing outside poower or fuels for several weeks.
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Hope you also have food, water, and medical supplies for several weeks, 'cuz any catastrophic failure of the infrastructure that keeps the grid and communications down for several weeks is pretty much going to destroy the distribution of goods.

Without power, perishable goods in supermarkets last a few days, at best. Without computer systems, stores can't order, warehouses can't coordinate, deliveries don't get made. Without power, the pumps fail, the water treatment plants go down, and you don't have a source of clean water or a way of disposing of waste water.

I've been without the internet, phones, and commerical power for weeks at a time, sometimes voluntarily, sometimes not. It's not something you prepare for by buying a generator and storing a month's worth of fuel out behind the barn.

73,

Marty

[ks4ec]

I have been a ham since I was 8 years old, I am now a 40 and a Network Engineer. I guess that qualifies me as an young old fart. I understand the use of IRLP and even on the IRLP Tech team that runs 2 nodes for our ham club. I use it some times and enjoy the reflectors. I used to be one of the ones that poo-pooed it when they first put it on, but, I also used to poo-poo the no-coders also. I have come to realize that ham radio is an ever-evolving hobby. Remember when they tested voice over ip using packet radio, wow, that was interesting. What happened to packet radio anyway? it's still here just like CW and they said Packet would be the end of CW, well it wasn't just listen to the CW bands on HF !!!.

The only time I give any one a hard time on IRLP is when someone brings up another country and starts yelling CQ DX CQ DX CQ DX CQ DX this is KILO SIERRA FOUR ECHO CHARLIE KILO SIERRA FOUR ECHO CHARLIE KILO SIERRA FOUR ECHO CHARLIE Standing by and listening for any calls OVER !!!

Man I think they forgot this is a digital mode !!!

DX on IRLP Kinda looses something in the translation !!!

Just my wandering thoughts

Rob http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[kd7kgx]

I think that it's great that the Hornet ARC went to VHF via an IRLP-capable repeater. #I plan to check in and listen in. #What's neat is that members of the Hornet ARC can check into the net and stay involved in their club even if they're traveling out of the area, or out of the country... and all they need is an HT.

IRLP is a tool. #It does not replace ham radio, it augments it. #IRLP allows me to use my HT to talk to people around the country and the world. #Yes, it depends upon the Internet and should not be a critical part of emergency planning... although if an emergency happens and IRLP can be used then why not? #After all, it is a tool and smart people (including smart hams) have lots of tools and know how and when to use them all. #As a member of my local RACES group, if we can use a cell phone in an emergency, do we disdain to because "it isn't ham radio?" #I don't think so.

Having a pre-made NVIS 80m dipole in your 'go bag' is also smart. #But it, and the key, and the HF rig, are tools also. #If an emergency happens, the smart ham pulls the tools out that will best do the job... and pulls out other tools if the first choice doesn't work.

I'm not a big fan of Echolink because it doesn't require a radio to interface into the system, and has the potential to allow unlicensed operators on the air. #Yes, it's free, but IRLP has some neat features that Echolink doesn't... and my limited experience has shown me that IRLP works better as a repeater-augmenting tool.

For those who consider IRLP as "not true ham radio", well, it isn't. #It is an adjunct to ham radio. #It isn't recognized as a valid means of making QSOs for awards. #What it is, is a tool that allows for long-distance contacts to be made via hams who cannot, for whatever reason, use HF (no hardware, no antennas, no HF privileges). #Hopefully, those who play around with an IRLP node will find that talking to people a long way away is fun, and they will get the desire to do it without being dependent upon an IRLP node so they will go on to earn HF privileges.

Again, congrats to the Hornet ARC for finding a good use for a tool that will facilitate communications via ham radio. #To the naysayers, IRLP isn't the end of ham radio. Rather, it's a great way to get new people into ham radio.

[KL3NP]

Its great the Hornet net is going to IRLP. I have listened in on a couple of occasions, and I will make it a regular stop on net night.

Those of you complaining, take a pill. This is an opportunity for those of us who are Tech's and don't have HF privledges to work the Hornet. Those of you complaining that IRLP is not ham radio, get a grip with new technology and avenues of communication. Get over it.

If you lived in a remote arctic alaska town, with only an IRLP node to communicate with virtually ANY Ham, them having ANY class of license, with a simple HT, you would be as appreciative of the system as I am.

My departed Dad was in the Navy, and every time I key up the mic or hear the Hornet net control, it's going to put a big grin on my face here 3,000 miles away.

I like it. Kudos.

Nate Perkins, KL3NP
Nome, Alaska

[n7wsb]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Pestilence76 @ Nov. 02 2003,21:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think this statement says it all. Yes, Echolink would have been easier for many people including myself; but IRLP requiring a radio at both ends of the connection keeps the "purity" of being a radio club net in place. Congratulations to your club for examining the current conditions of your club members and making an informed decision on how to proceed into the future. It's great to know that not all hams are stuck in the past.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Purity? Its just a bunch of audio being digitized and sent over the internet. Radio is just an input method. If someone could reverse engineer the completely proprietary protocol IRLP uses it would be trivial to join the network with just a computer.

[w0cbf]

IRLP = Another nail in the amateur radio coffin. Just join anyother chat room and you don't need any license at all.

It AIN'T ham radio! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[nx6d]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w0cbf @ Nov. 08 2003,23:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">IRLP = Another nail in the amateur radio coffin. Just join anyother chat room and you don't need any license at all.

It AIN'T ham radio! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
It's more basic than that.

IRLP is just plain boring.

[WA9SVD]

Hello to the U.S.S> Hornet ARC

It's REALLY sad how some people can turn a simple announcement into the dreaded "Code-vs.-no Code," lazy people, NOT HAM radio, etc. brouhaha.
To sort prejudice from fact, not everyone can operate on 80 Meters (75 M if you will) regardless of their license class. (SOME of us Generals, Advanced, and Extra Class licensees are limited by inablilty to construct an effective antenna at 80/75 Meters!)
If the use of a repeater serves the club well, and offers coverage to more club members, for whatever reason, than more power to you. I've checked in a few times on 75M, with great difficulty, even though I'm not a club "member," just to demonstrate support to your effort in maintaining a club and club station aboard the U.S.S. Hornet. If people around the country and the world can now also check into the net and show at least interest (and hopefully support) that's a major step in the right direction.

Keep up the good work, and especially the special event operations.

Larry WA9SVD

[n0zu]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Code Sample </td></tr><tr><td id="CODE">We invite everyone who has IRLP access to join the net
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<span style='font-size:15pt;line-height:100%'>What is IRLP and how can a person aquire it???</span>

#<span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:red'>Would it not be just cheap enough for you having the net to by a new antenna, than to have HAM'S out there buying something that they will only use maybe once a week and get tired of it then sell it for quite less that you pay for it.</span></span>


<span style='color:blue'><span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'>If this is the way HAM RADIO is going, # why is everyone aginst the nocoders using HF BANDS!!!</span></span>

[n2orw]

IRLP is a super new way for hams to talk around the world. All that is needed is goto www.irlp.net and look up your area and see if there is an IRLP repeater near you. From what I've seen almost everyone in the USA has a repeater node near them. Heck there is two near me that I am able to hit.

n2orw

"Waiting for the code requirements to be dropped so I will be able to use all these HF rigs I've been listening to, I've tried takeing the code test 5 times and no luck. My problem is when I hear code it all runs together. I can hear the Dits and the Dahs but i cant tell when one letter stops and another starts. ( I'm like a blind person trying to read a stucko wall, when it comes to code )

[K7LAS]

NB6GC, sounds like a good move #- and welcome to IRLP!

I spend a lot of time on 6m, 2m/70cm ssb, digital modes, etc. - very much exploring the various aspects of this wonderful hobby.

IRLP is just one, of many, things we can do. #Ignore the one's that are bashing it. #Their loss, not yours or mine.

I have the distinct pleasure of knowing the owner / operator of the Western Reflector - talked with many times. #Nice to have that here in town!

Enjoy your new net and I will check in - the USS Hornet was a great ship with a very distinguished and proud (too short!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif history.

73 - Mark

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[K7LAS]

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It AIN'T ham radio! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
W0CBF.....

Tickets...get your tickets here for the "Clue Bus". #You need one, badly.

IRLP is just a tool. #Just like a hammer is a tool. #Your choice whether to use or not.

Do the rest of us a favor and reach up there and hit the "reset" button - your OS needs a few updates and patches.

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73 - Mark

[kf3dy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (n7wsb @ Nov. 08 2003,23:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">There is more to it then that. Software is only one part of it.



. If someone could reverse engineer the completely proprietary protocol IRLP uses it would be trivial to join the network with just a computer.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
There is more to it then that. Software is only one part of it.