amateur rig & CB rig in same vehicle ?? [Archive]

KG6JTB

10-14-2003, 04:58 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think that's the first time I've heard CBers described as a virus.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

No, it's actually bacterial. ;-)

30 years of one group merging with another, and voila, you have the "ham radio" culture of today. You can't bash the CB culture without bashing most hams.

I can only guess what amateur radio was like before the CB craze, when an extra class operator was someone who could build an entire station of scrap surplus parts.

I took down an estate last year from a guy who was first licensed in the 1920's. His entire station was homebrew, and in the cellar of the house he built by hand. It was like sacred ground. The equipment was built so incredibly well, even down to his CW key. Not too many guys like that today. There was no microphone in the shack.

So I suppose those hams that haven't been tainted with CB radio have a pedigree!

Dave
KG6JTB

K8YS

10-14-2003, 04:58 AM

I used to play with CB when I was a kid, but just about the time I turned 21, I got my ham license... guess you could say that I grew up in more ways then one...

Seriously, there is a CB in the camper, it was there when we bought the camper, but I have no idea if the CB works or not. I just never got around to pulling it out since it would leave an empty space... besides, someday, I might be in a campground and need to talk to someone that never heard of cell phones.

K8YS

10-14-2003, 05:06 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w5alt @ Oct. 12 2003,22:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KG6JTB @ Oct. 14 2003,00:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">[....] are ignoring the fact that CB has embedded itself in the DNA of the ham fraternity.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I think that's the first time I've heard CBers described as a virus. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

But that's not "bashing," right? Very interesting viewpoint ....[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Just because the CB virus has infected Ham Radio, does not mean that we must put it on display!

This is AMATEUR RADIO, not Citizens Band... when you get you ham license, you are supposed to leave the "old ways" behind... I think of it this way...

When you move from the old neighborhood to the new, you leave the old junker on cinder blocks behind.

k5ahh

10-14-2003, 05:20 AM

---Hi. #I once had a Yaesu FT-100, and a Cobra 25LTD Classic C.B. radio in the car. #Now I just use the FT-100 for amateur radio frequencies when I travel. #I really didn't have the room for two different rigs, and besides, the ham frequencies are usually more fun. #C.B. radio is where I got my start, back in 1989, and I have met a bunch of nice people, too. #I have a base CB that needed to be repaired, so I just traded in the 25LTD CB in exchange for the repair. #It's just too bad that the CB frequencies are like they are...Way too many "high-powered" stations and filthy talk. #Of course, at least in my experience, there are a lot more good folks on CB than bad. #Since I had a great experience with CB, I won't "shun" the band that got me my start in radio.

ai4ep

10-14-2003, 12:38 PM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif aint this soo much FUN ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

10-14-2003, 03:50 PM

I used to have both so I could talk (heaven forbid!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif to my wife. When she got her ticket (KA8SNH) I gave up the cb. However, when traveling cross country, it can be useful to have both.

TOM K8ERV

KC7HDE

10-14-2003, 05:23 PM

I have a CB in my Freightliner but I use it little.
I travle the NW region of the US and I've gone days with out ever switching on the CB. I only keep the CB because I may need to use it to communicate with another driver or find out what the hold up is on the Interstate.
I don't right now have a Ham rig in the Truck because I have not put one in it yet, ( The Truck is new ).
I used to run a ICOM 2000 VHF in my old Truck and really enjoyed the company found on some of the repeaters here in the North West.
I have for a while had my HTX 100 10m rig in the truck and made many contacts but that rig was not built tough and could not take the steady pounding the Truck gives to all electronics in the Cab.
I don't think I will be putting an expencive HF rig in the Truck any time soon.

P.S.
I just don't see why any of these non FCC licensed other Truck drivers want to spend $300 to $500 for a non FCC type accepted illegal 10m to 12m modified to work in the CB 11m band just to see it turn to junk after a year or two. I just don't see the draw.(off on a small rant)sorry.

73
Norm. T.

KI4BOO

10-14-2003, 05:54 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">amateur rig & CB rig in same vehicle ??, for you folks who do this[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Oh, No. We dont do that here. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

(I own about 15 old CB radios. I collect them.)

10-14-2003, 06:04 PM

I have both. The VHF-FM ham rig is hooked up and ready to go 'at a moment's notice' and the cabling for power and antennas are set up for hte HF rig so it's a 5 minute job to remove the HF rig from the house and make it operational in the car.

The CB? I have the antenna set up (doubles as 10M ham angenna) and cabling there. Rig sits in the glovebox.

It is used ONLY when I am traveling with non-hams, caravan-style, on a trip for intercoms. It is also there for use when emergency communications needs arise for talking to non-hams.

It sits, disconnected and usually unthought of, until I need it.

CB'ers as bacteria and virii?? Never looked at it that way.. but I guess you could look at the crop of illegal operators,freebanders, and 10M invaders as more of a CANCER than a virii or bacteria. A cancer is virulent, predatory,nad invades healthy cells andtakes over.

Yes.. illegals, freebanders, and invaders of other services' bands ARE cancerous. So guess it's Cancerous Banders, now.

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ae5rc

10-14-2003, 06:43 PM

I run 10 and 2 meters in my car. I do own two 40 channel cbs that are ready to be used in a moments notice. Should the need to evacuate the area, my wife and have an agreed upon evacuation route, a meeting area and a channel that we will call on to, hopefully, insure safety and location. I do not run the cb radio in any other manner other than to make sure they (both) are operational. My wife has 0 interest in amateur radio but has agreed that she will use this radio set up should the need ever arise. We have magnet mount antennas, a radio, and a wiring harness ready to install pdq. This may be a bit much, but who knows, it might come in handy.

N3SOZ

10-14-2003, 08:52 PM

I run 10 meters in my Jeep full time, and have a CB that I can install temporarily for road trips. Its just a simple Maxon CB from Wal-Mart purchased strictly on price, that I attach to the center console with velcro. Here in the Northeast, there are some areas that (believe it or not) don't have cell phone service. The Adirondack Park in NY and portions of Vermont come to mind. In the dead of winter on a ski trip its quite possible I'll have better luck reaching someone on CB than on 10, especially local people. Even more so at night. I usually carry a 2 meter HT on trips as well.

Matt N3SOZ

KC0QNB

10-14-2003, 10:32 PM

I have both radios in my Jeep and on my base, I don't use the CB much but its there if I want to. In fact I had a problem doing this a few months back, I had both rigs powered up, I just had the 2m rig tested by a ham (didn't have my ticket then). I called a friend on the CB when I unkeyed, I heard the local repeater IDing, I thought that was strange but probably just a coincedence, WRONG!, ends up when I keyed the cb the overstretched mic cord on the 2M rig picked up the signal from the CB and keyed the 2m rig, and hence the repeater, it took about 2-1/2 seconds to disconnect the mic cord from the 2m rig, problem solved. But I wanted to share this experience with those running both rigs.

W5HTW

10-14-2003, 11:06 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K3FT @ Oct. 14 2003,11:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">CB'ers as bacteria and virii?? Never looked at it that way.. but I guess you could look at the crop of illegal operators,freebanders, and 10M invaders as more of a CANCER than a virii or bacteria. A cancer is virulent, predatory,nad invades healthy cells andtakes over.

Yes.. illegals, freebanders, and invaders of other services' bands ARE cancerous. So guess it's Cancerous Banders, now.

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A virus? I have called them "The Termites In the Foundation of Ham Radio." (An article like that on my web site, in fact.)

I once took a trip with a CB radio (totally legal) and a modified CB radio set up for 10 meters SSB, and a two meter radio for VHF, all in my old Chrysler station wagon at the time. I found that at night it was too easy to grab the wrong microphone. But in that period of time, there weren't a lot of 2 meter repeaters that covered the boodocks, so the 10 meter radio came in real handy for chit-chat. The CB, the few times it was on, did tell me about road conditions near me, but not a lot.

Some 20 years or so earlier I had also had a CB and a six meter radio in the car. Only time I turned on the CB was on my way home to call the wife. But, thanks to all the idiots on CB, I soon started calling her before I left work to see if I had to stop at the store and that cured the 'need' for a CB, so I sold both of them.

Just recently a friend gave me three CB radios,(one of them a base unit) all legal as far as I know, and two mobile antennas. All worked. I ran the base unit on my vertical, receiving only, for about four hours, then I packed them all up and gave them back to him. Not my cuppa CB.

(A month later, maybe, he gave me his old TS520, but he "ain't gittin' thet one back!")

I wouldn't mind having a good sideband, and totally legal CB in the car, but the Cherokee doesn't really have a good place to put it, and I don't want to spend money on a CB. I have discovered, though, I can monitor Channel 19 with my Icom 706 and if I hear troubles on the road ahead, I can switch over to 2 meters and usually get details, or I can just avoid the area. But all I really need to do is listen, and then most of the time I can get better info on two meters anyway.

73
Ed

KB9YCO

10-15-2003, 12:02 AM

“It's simply another radio for communications, on another band with different FCC rules.” KG6GBT

I agree 100 percent. I have had always had the attitude of access to as much spectrum as possible within legal structure and my personal means. I think of CB as another tool in the arsenal like FRS, GMRS (which I am also licensed for), or anything else. I have driven many miles around this country and there are lots of places that have little or no activity in 2 meters or 70 centimeters. Being the so called “lowly no code tech” that I am I don’t have many other options when out on the road. Maybe when I upgrade HF will be more helpful, but for now I am content. I guarantee you it is much easier to find someone in an emergency on the road with CB channel 19, skip or not, then it is to try and find someone on a repeater or try the call frequency. There’s just more people on CB, especially on the road, then there is on average in VHF or UHF.
It has also been my experience that the majorities of CBer’s are decent and have been lumped in with the high power skip shooters and troublemakers just because they are more vocal. I know from experience that they are NOT the majority.
As far as skip goes there is nothing you can do about it, the FCC should’ve never put citizens band in 11 meters in the first place knowing there would be conditions. It is HF after all, what did they expect would happen.
Most of the stereotypes of CBer’s are rarely true and many people I have known in amateur radio came from CB in the first place. I’m not ashamed to admit it; I rather enjoyed my many years on CB. All this bashing of CB and worrying about it seems rather pointless since us amateurs have many other issues we should be worrying about, BPL, license structure changes, band allocation changes, etc., etc.

"This is AMATEUR RADIO, not Citizens Band... when you get you ham license, you are supposed to leave the "old ways" behind..." K8YS

Why? Just because you buy a screw gun doesn’t mean you throw away your screwdrivers. It’s all radio and often times very useful. Another tool in the tool belt because you never know when you’ll need it. Doesn’t mean you have to use it, but it’s nice to know it’s there when you want it. I like the old ways and the new ways; history has a cumulative effect that way. Use it all, embrace it all, enjoy it all and take it for what it is, good or bad.

ai4ep

10-15-2003, 02:11 AM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif ...nah...never mind ... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

N1XHF

10-15-2003, 11:41 AM

It's futile that some of you would get on here and make comments about the "CB Virus" and this one is my favorite quote "This is AMATEUR RADIO, not Citizens Band... when you get you ham license, you are supposed to leave the "old ways" behind... " That's so untrue, I don't have a CB in my car just ICOM 2/440 but I still have the very radio I talked on when I was growing up which is a cobra 142 my grandmother had bought and as passed down to me after she passed away. There are still decent people on the radio at least in my area the so called "old timers" the have been on CB for 30+ years and they are a pleasure to talk to on a regular basis. Matter of fact some of them have more class than most on Amateur radio today. True you do have your "local idiots" who are mostly teenagers or adults who think they are teenagers getting on there are ruining it for every one and of course the 10 meter pirates. So it amazes me that so many get boiling mad when CB is brought up but I would have to say a good 80% of Hams I know started on the old chicken band and I would not say the number is not to far for the country average.

Remember where came from, don't be calling the kettle black!

Justin

73's Justin

N3LGN

10-15-2003, 03:34 PM

My truck inventory:
1) IC-706 Mk IIg
1) Alinco DR-110 (on 146.52 for the other thread about 2M calling
1) Radio Shack FRS/GMRS Moble rig
2) Radio Shack FRS/GMRS Hand helds
Note The FRS/GMRS were discontinued rigs I got for
pennies on the dollor
Depending on the drive, I'll carry my Alinco 220 HT and my IC T81A

and last is an installed Cobra 148 GTL

w3sy

10-15-2003, 05:06 PM

To answer Robert's initial query -- a LOT of people have a ham rig and a Chicken Band rig in the same car.

Unfortunately, it's often just one radio. And you can hear these Chicken Banders chatting away merrily on the low end of the 10 meter ham band. So to them, yeah, it's a Chicken Band rig, but it was a ham rig when it was purchased, so I'd say it's both.

From KB9YCO: <span style='color:blue'>"This is AMATEUR RADIO, not Citizens Band... when you get you ham license, you are supposed to leave the "old ways" behind..." #K8YS

Why? Just because you buy a screw gun doesn’t mean you throw away your screwdrivers. It’s all radio and often times very useful. Another tool in the tool belt because you never know when you’ll need it. Doesn’t mean you have to use it, but it’s nice to know it’s there when you want it. I like the old ways and the new ways; history has a cumulative effect that way. Use it all, embrace it all, enjoy it all and take it for what it is, good or bad.</span>

Yeah, but don't feel just a little oogey inside when you hear somebody on the repeater talking about signal "poundage" and saying "tain foar" or saying "negative contact" when the station they called didn't come back? #Likewise for any other ridiculous CB lingo that creeps onto the ham bands (mostly 2 meters). Are you okay with that? I'm not.

Yeah, I know that CB-style operating on the ham bands "hurts" no one. But I think most hams would agree that we want the general public to know that this is not CB. I have read the messages on this thread that suggest many CB'ers qualify for sainthood, but whether that's true or not, this is NOT CB.

Hams can not be blamed for wanting to distance themselves culturally from CB'ers. Fact is, most non-radio types DON'T know the difference between CB and ham radio. But we do. And most of us wish to distinguish ourselves from the stereotypical, hard-core Chicken Bander by using the operating practices and protocols that have evolved on the ham bands over the decades -- and avoiding the operating practices and protocols that evolved over on 11 meters.

Is that a snobbish attitude? YOU decide. I have no problem with it in the slightest.

Good day.

KG4RYT

10-15-2003, 05:41 PM

Quote :w3sy
"Is that a snobbish attitude?"

Yes it is.
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w7act

10-15-2003, 05:56 PM

In Reply to do you have a CB in your vehicle.

Let me ask you this question have you ever been on a Forest Service Road and met a loaded Logging Truck coming down off a mountian? #I have and it's no fun on a single lane road.

So yes I do run a CB in all my rigs as that is the mode of communication between vehicles on the logging roads, that's what #the sign CB14, CB8 and CB7 mean out there as you enter these roads.

Not to run a CB on active Logging Roads is like playing Russian Roulette with your life.

k5ahh

10-15-2003, 06:07 PM

"w3sy,Oct. 15 2003,12http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif]Yeah, but don't feel just a little oogey inside when you hear somebody on the repeater talking about signal "poundage" and saying "tain foar" or saying "negative contact" when the station they called didn't come back?

I have read the messages on this thread that suggest many CB'ers qualify for sainthood, but whether that's true or not, this is NOT CB."
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif Hmm, I wonder when or where the word "pound" started in C.B. radio(I guess it started there)? #Even when I was on CB, I never used "pound". #I just could not see the correlation between a "pound" and unit of signal measurement. #A pound is lb, maybe somebody confused lb with db? #Maybe pound IS a valid unit of signal measurement, and I will learn something new today. #Don't forget "negatory", haha. #
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif Maybe I have missed it, but I don't think anybody has equated cb'ers with saints...instead, a few posters, including myself, have said that they either had a good experience with CB, or that bad stereotypes associated with CB weren't true (at least in their experience, as well as mine.) #(true, I do hear too much cursing, not usually from locals, but from many truck drivers...and no, not all truck drivers have a "potty mouth", #overall, I've generally met some good people on CB)
#http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Luckily, in this area, we don't have any problems with people using CB lingo on any of the VHF/UHF repeaters. #So, one less problem there. #I suppose I would feel a bit "oogey" when hearing CB slang on the repeaters and HF.

KG4RYT

10-15-2003, 07:12 PM

Maybe he is like me, i have gained a few pounds, never heard any one on 2m or 70 cm say " how many pounds are you putting on me".

k5ahh

10-15-2003, 08:30 PM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Lol.

K6UEY

10-15-2003, 09:40 PM

I passed over this thread several times, as I have never been a CB'er and only listened once down there trying to find where the splatter in the neighborhood was coming from, the few minutes listening satisfied any desire or curiosity I may have had to see what it was like. As I now recall there was a lot of similarity to a modern day 2 meter repeater. The title of this thread tells it all, and my impression was I could think of NO valid reason for a true Ham to partake in the nonsense that goes unopposed on the 27 meg band. The possible exception would be truckers, who would have occasion to interface for the purpose of saftey or road conditions.
It is interesting, and I don't know where the numbers came from, although used several times, no validation was offered, that 80% of the Ham Radio "HOBBY" today is comprised of CB'ers and exCB'ers, I find those numbers some what high but it would explain the recent decline and over all deterioration in the Radio fraternity. Obviously those born after WWll,Korea, and Viet Nam, have a totally different outlook on Society and its Morale and Ethehical values some of which have ceased to be recognized as being old and out of date. Respect for those who are your Elders and the recognition of those who met success by earning and working for their status. All no longer major contributors to a just and healthy society.
So the dilutition of the Amateur Radio Fraternity comprised of those who shared common goals and interests in advancing the state of the Art of Radio Communications by those who chose to partake in the non-disclpined, non-enforceable chaos of the CB band have reshaped the once Proud,and Elite,Brotherhood whose common bond has been severed to accomadate a mere "HOBBY".
This metamorphosis has taken place in the last 25 to 30 years and only in the last decade has begun to accellerate in it's tranformation. Like a super Nova that shines brilliantly then fades into oblivion.
Does Amateur Radio need more warm bodies to survive, no it is too late for that, what Amateur Radio needs to survive is more Competent Hams .
ENJOY!! Ham Radio and Life are learning experiences.....73, # ORV
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kd5sdi

10-16-2003, 05:47 PM

I think of it the way st. Paul said. When I was a child, I thought as a child, acted as a child, because I was a child. When I became a man I put away my childish things. I tried to go back to cb, but the noise was awful. I have been pretty much spoiled by FM operation, I just can't take the noise. Some of the people can be just as nice or lack thereof as some amateurs, it's just what you're looking for. Which brings me to the next thing, I have not heard anyone on the band when I search it on my scanner in months(outside of 19).

w3sy

10-16-2003, 06:17 PM

Said Jim KG4RYT: <span style='color:blue'>Quote :w3sy
"Is that a snobbish attitude?"

Yes it is.</span>

Then so be it, Jim. That's your perception, and I can't do anything about it. I hope you understand that I single out only the hard core nitwit CB'er... Not the one who wants to abandon the silliness and learn something.

And good day to YOU, sir.

Phineas

10-16-2003, 07:55 PM

I have both a CB, and an FT8900R in my van. I also have 2 FRS, and 2 49mhz radios in a drawer under the seat. Who ever dont like it can just remember that I am the president of the KMA club.

Phineas
K0KMA

K6UEY

10-16-2003, 08:28 PM

So What ??
I am President, VP, CEO and Chief Financial officer of the UEY Klub of America.......... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

KG4RYT

10-17-2003, 07:18 PM

To:w3sy
Quote:
" Jim. That's your perception, and I can't do anything about it. I hope you understand that I single out only the hard core nitwit CB'er... Not the one who wants to abandon the silliness and learn something.

And good day to YOU, sir." (end)

In response to you http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
And a very good day to you, sir. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

w5alt

10-17-2003, 07:32 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K6UEY @ Oct. 16 2003,16:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So What ??
I am President, VP, CEO and Chief Financial officer of the UEY Klub of America.......... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I'm just VP and CFO of the ALT Klub.

But I sleep with the membership's wife. Does that count for anything?

N0RPW

10-18-2003, 12:46 AM

This other radio service we are talking abt. How do you spell it? Oh yea CHICKEN BAND http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

ki4bgo

10-18-2003, 01:00 AM

I've never seen a CHICKEN use a radio! Maybe I will after I'm at this a while http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

k5ahh

10-18-2003, 02:20 AM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif # Well, I am the leader and President of the K5AHH club...I am the coolest member as well, and I am unanimous in that! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

AE6IP

10-18-2003, 06:01 AM

Someone once told me you can tell more about a man's character by who he ridicules than by who he praises.

By the way, the ARRL ARECC courses stress that one should make use of any available communications medium in an emergency.

I usually travel with a CB, a 2m HT, and an FRS/GMRS radio, along with a cell phone, an AM/FM radio, a GPS, and a weather receiver. If I spent more time in the water, I'd have marine band transceivers as well.

At one time or another, each has been useful.

Nice hobby we have here. Think I'll play radio some more.

K3DAV

10-18-2003, 07:33 AM

I started on CB back in the 60' when it was still a well run band. I met 2 of my best friends for life on CB back then. It is really sad for what CB has become, but there are still some good people on there.

I have an Icom 2 meter, and a Cobra 148GTL (Fully legal) in my car. I make trips with the family to NJ and CT from time to time. When the 2 meter band was dead, I could usually find some nice people to talk with for a while on the CB. Which ever radio had people to talk to, that's where I was. That's what radio is for. It's not this group, or that group. It's "US" talking to each other.

I only bash the CB'ers that have turned CB into a lawless wasteland of foul mouths, distortion, echoing, and those damned annoying roger beeps. I would like to kill the guy that invented that pointless little noise maker, and the jerko who built the first echo mic..

On the other hand, I praise those CB'ers that have maintained civility, and just like to talk to their friends, like they're in their own livingrooms. Nice clean sounding (NON-ECHOED, NON LINEARIZED) legal radios. And no dirty language There are still a few left. They are nice people who are getting a bad rap because of the idiots. And that's not right.

K6UEY

10-18-2003, 09:03 AM

"NON LINEARIZED" if it is non linear then it would have to contain a lot of distortion, but then you were talking CB so that explains it ........... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

n7lfl

10-22-2003, 01:22 AM

I do traffic control work for road construction and I use a portable CB to communicate with truck drivers making deliveries to get them in and out of the work area, and to communicate with equipment operators and supervisors to cordinate deliveries and traffic flow. #I also use one in my car to find out where to go at the start of the day and I use it for greater range in the later communications. #For those who are not hams or do not have same channel business radios (I use them too!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif the CB still has its origanal use.

KG6JTB

10-22-2003, 04:58 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I would like to kill the guy that invented that pointless little noise maker, and the jerko who built the first echo mic..
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Why? You can't use these on the ham bands anyway.

Dave
KG6JTB

10-22-2003, 05:39 AM

If I am not mistaken, the roger beep was made for the end of transmission for the use on ssb because there is no carrier. correct me if i am wrong.

ps, I dont care for them eather. lol

k5ahh

10-22-2003, 06:17 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (k4sj7m @ Oct. 22 2003,00:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If I am not mistaken, the roger beep was made for the end of transmission for the use on ssb because there is no carrier. correct me if i am wrong.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif #Hi. #It seems like the majority of amateur radio operators don't care for the end of transmission beeps, roger beeps (or whatever one may call them). #It seems to me that since so many CB operators use them, many amateur radio operators detest them # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif . #I wonder if many hams detested the end of transmission beeps that the space program once had? #Also, I wonder if many hams do not care for the beep that sounds on a repeater after somebody stops talking. #I think it is called a "courtesy tone"? #In my opinion, having a "beep" on a repeater is pretty much useless, unless, of course, there is a time-out on the repeater...then, a time-out beep is helpful.

# # Perhaps there are some fire departments or police departments that use repeaters with courtesy tones, but I have never encountered any. #No need, in my opinion. #In my experience, when talking F.M., I have never had the need to have a "beep". #That little bit of static at the end of the other person talking pretty much gives it away (when they have stopped talking, I mean). #Now, on SSB, it IS a bit more difficult to tell when the other party has stopped talking when compared to F.M., though I certainly do not advocate adding any type of beeping device to ones radio, haha! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #I have probably heard a hundred QSOs on H.F. SSB where one guy was talking over the other because he didn't know when the other bloke stopped talking. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

KD7WHQ

10-22-2003, 06:34 AM

May well have been the case, but I can tell when a U/LSB ham unkeys.
Might be for DX.. Don't know on that one.

As to the CB, I have a Uniden Pro 510Xl in the car, and I take the 2m radio with me when I go out.
The CB may rarely be turned on, but it is there, and the truckers on the road with their Nextel's are as well.

It's best to have options.

k5ahh

10-22-2003, 08:14 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD7WHQ @ Oct. 22 2003,01:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's best to have options.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif How true. No matter what band you choose to use, CB, Amateur radio, GMRS, FRS, MURS, mobile phone, etc., it's best to have as many means of communications as possible. You never know what situation might arise. Of course, the clutter of all those radios in the automobile may or may not be a problem http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif , but at least I am prepared.

K3DAV

10-22-2003, 09:54 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KG6JTB @ Oct. 22 2003,00:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I would like to kill the guy that invented that pointless little noise maker, and the jerko who built the first echo mic..
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Why? You can't use these on the ham bands anyway.

Dave
KG6JTB[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
That is correct Dave.

But I was talking about what I hear on CB radio.

K3DAV

10-22-2003, 10:10 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (k5ahh @ Oct. 22 2003,02:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (k4sj7m @ Oct. 22 2003,00:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If I am not mistaken, the roger beep was made for the end of transmission for the use on ssb because there is no carrier. correct me if i am wrong.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
#Also, I wonder if many hams do not care for the beep that sounds on a repeater after somebody stops talking. #I think it is called a "courtesy tone"? #In my opinion, having a "beep" on a repeater is pretty much useless, unless, of course, there is a time-out on the repeater...then, a time-out beep is helpful.

# # #I have probably heard a hundred QSOs on H.F. SSB where one guy was talking over the other because he didn't know when the other bloke stopped talking. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Adam, The courtesy tone on the repeaters are usually a softer tone, at a lower frequency pitch. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif But those roger beeps on CB's are Loud and high pitched. They cut through my ears like a knife. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif If the roger beeps were more like the courtesy tones on repeaters, this wouldn't even be an issue.

I don't ever remember having a problem knowing when a SSB transmission ended. If signals were weak, or the frequency was noisy, the operators would usually end their transmissions with the words, OVER, or GO AHEAD, or BACK TO YOU, or something that would let me know they stopped transmitting. That ear peircing noise is not necessary. Like you said. That noise called static is the clue that the other guy has stopped talking http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Take care Adam.

ai4ep

10-22-2003, 04:16 PM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif wait a minute ( please )...I was always told ( In Alabama, you can be told nearly any thing ) that the original idea for the " courtesy beeps " or " roger beeps " was from the 1960 s NASA space flights, ....when the astronauts would talk to MISSION CONTROL, the " beeps " would signal that they were through speaking and for the other party to reply. But I may be wrong. I DO have a question about the moon missions in late 1960 - 1970 s... what frequencies did NASA use to communicate via radio with the astronauts ( if this aint classified info ) , I was told it was around 460 - 470 Mhz ( current UHF business band ) , or was I lied to again ?

w5zzq

10-22-2003, 04:30 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC9ECI @ Oct. 13 2003,20:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I used to play on CB when I was a kid. #I got one again a while back and it wasn't the same so I moved up to ham radio. #I've still got a few old CB's out in the shack. #I plug them in from time to time, but skipland is too much. #It really is a mess.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
What is this "skipland" you speak of? Is that next to Disneyland?........

k5ahh

10-22-2003, 05:07 PM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif Haha!

k5ahh

10-22-2003, 05:11 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kd4amg @ Oct. 22 2003,11:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">#I DO have a question about the moon missions in late 1960 - 1970 s... what frequencies # did NASA use to communicate via radio with the astronauts ( if this aint classified info ) , I was told it was around 460 - 470 Mhz ( current UHF business band ) , or was I lied to again ?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Hmm, I don't know the frequencies that NASA used back then. Also, what mode were they? I don't think they were SSB...probably AM. A beep with AM?? Well, at least they were not one of those ear piercing beeps, haha!

ai4ep

10-23-2003, 12:28 AM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif yes I am GUESSING that the astronauts of the 1960 - 70 era kind of " poineered " some things we take for granted today... condensor microphones... vox ... roger beeps...who knows...amateurs might have given them the ideas to make what they made ? ! You may have HEARD that amateurs used to be in the front line of new technology ? ...who knows ? When or if W W III ever starts, the cell phones and computers will be the first things to go " south " ( why it always that one direction, I will never know ) , and CW might be the best way to communicate ( NO I aint trying to turn this into a code/no code discussion ) ...but if that ever is happening ( WW III ) there aint going to be many of us to do any thing, most of us will be dead within hours if not a few days, and the rest who DO survive wont have a very happy country to live in. But on to good news....fall colors are beautiful in northern Alabama, in case any one want to travel through here in the next few weeks, gas prices are around $1.33 -- $1.40 for the cheap stuff, and it is less than 10 weeks till Christmas !! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif God bless all of you & both of your friends....kd4amg

w3sy

10-23-2003, 09:20 PM

I wonder if they will ever discover CB'ers from other galaxies. ET-CB, I guess it would be. Would this be an advanced civilization of intellectually superior CB'ers? Or did I just invent the oxymoron to end all oxymorons?

"How 'bout it, Good Buddy? This is the one XPMZRMZG, the unit 2784265.41 outta that Crab Nebula. You got all nine of your EARS on? Breakee Brokee. DWEEEEEEEEEEP!"

ai4ep

10-23-2003, 11:36 PM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif where on earth ( in your opinion ) would be the absolute WORST place for folks from another planet to communicate with us on earth ? Where would they go ( by accident ) and get the worst first impression of our planet ? This would be " in person " and not by radio or telepathic means, or sending a probe down to a certain area, where would they get the absolute worst first impression ( and dont say " kd4amg s home " ...lol )

KB9YCO

10-24-2003, 01:00 AM

“Yeah, but don't feel just a little oogey inside when you hear somebody on the repeater talking about signal "poundage" and saying "tain foar" or saying "negative contact" when the station they called didn't come back? Likewise for any other ridiculous CB lingo that creeps onto the ham bands (mostly 2 meters). Are you okay with that? I'm not.” –w3sy-

I don’t recall saying I thought that was OK, I just don’t see why there is so much stress over what happens in CB or why it is bad to use both. It’s all radio and can be utilized by anyone as long as it’s done legally, so why not? Besides, most people that end up making it to the amateur radio level, if they don’t know better already, will learn. And that is whether they come from CB or from no radio experience at all. The people that aren’t willing to learn the difference either won’t last long or will go and buy a GMRS license, or something similar, that you don’t need to test for. I do agree that the general public should be made to understand the difference between CB and amateur radio. But to me it is all part of the spectrum and as a dedicated radio nerd I indulge in as much as is available to me. Besides, I never talked that way when I was in CB, and I really don’t talk amateur lingo in the amateur bands either. Unless you’re part of contesting, or nets and similar activities, do you need to respond with codes or buzz words every time? I get sick of hearing that crap in the amateur bands just the same as anywhere else. I just talk like I’d talk anywhere, within legality and reason of course.

“…it would explain the recent decline and over all deterioration in the Radio fraternity. Obviously those born after WWll,Korea, and Viet Nam, have a totally different outlook on Society and its Morale and Ethehical values some of which have ceased to be recognized as being old and out of date. Respect for those who are your Elders and the recognition of those who met success by earning and working for their status. All no longer major contributors to a just and healthy society.
So the dilutition of the Amateur Radio Fraternity comprised of those who shared common goals and interests in advancing the state of the Art of Radio Communications by those who chose to partake in the non-disclpined, non-enforceable chaos of the CB band have reshaped the once Proud,and Elite,Brotherhood whose common bond has been severed to accomadate a mere ‘HOBBY’.” –k6uey-

Well, I don’t think I see the correlation between the question offered in this thread and CB as the “dilution” of amateur radio. Seems a bit extreme and overly philosophical. Do MOST people in CB have a lack of morals and ethics? And does that in turn mean that amateurs that come from CB are part of this group that disregards their elders or hasn’t met success by earning it? I guess that also means they contribute to an unhealthy society; that’s bordering on paranoia.
And just because CB is undisciplined doesn’t mean that everyone there is a scumbag. I have met many good people in CB over the years and the majority of them were not the high power or vulgar types that added to the chaos. Not all CBer’s are compatible with amateurs and vice versa. I don’t think it reduces amateur radio as long as CBer’s that become amateurs don’t carry over their bad habits.
And plain and simple, a large part of the “chaos” in CB comes from DX. These are largely people that do want to be part of the art of radio communications, that’s usually why they got the radio in the first place. I think anyone with an interest should be encouraged instead of being rebuffed because they’re just a CBer. And that doesn’t mean all CBer’s are fit to be amateurs or all amateurs fit to be CBer’s.
Lighten up on the CBer’s, unless they’re invading 10 meters or causing major harmonics in the band, who cares? ! ? The people that do that ARE NOT the majority of people on CB radio. It’s all radio and I will use any band I can legally use when I see fit to use it, that’s the way it should be. Appreciate it for what it is and not what you think it should be and embrace all radio. Radio can extend to, within and beyond amateur radio. There’s some philosophy for ya.

w8amd

10-24-2003, 01:54 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kd4amg @ Oct. 23 2003,19:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif where on earth ( in your opinion ) would be the absolute WORST place for folks from another planet to communicate with us on earth ? Where would they go ( by accident ) and get the worst first impression of our planet ? This would be " in person " and not by radio or telepathic means, or sending a probe down to a certain area, where would they get the absolute worst first impression ( and dont say #" kd4amg s home " ...lol )[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
A political convention. No doubt about it.

W5HTW

10-24-2003, 02:43 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AB8RP @ Oct. 23 2003,18:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kd4amg @ Oct. 23 2003,19:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif where on earth ( in your opinion ) would be the absolute WORST place for folks from another planet to communicate with us on earth ? Where would they go ( by accident ) and get the worst first impression of our planet ? This would be " in person " and not by radio or telepathic means, or sending a probe down to a certain area, where would they get the absolute worst first impression ( and dont say " kd4amg s home " ...lol )[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
A political convention. No doubt about it.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Sacremento?

ai4ep

10-24-2003, 03:42 AM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif aliens land in the USA some time around Halloween, near a night club or other area holding a HALLOWEEN party ( they would not stand out from the humans dressed up in their costumes ).... that might be when the " terrorists " strike within next week or so...strange folks these terrorists, all they apparently want to do is DESTROY things, not BUILD any thing, they dont want to " take over the USA " or whom ever they are pissed off at this week, they just want to " harass and agitate " who ever they dont like for the moment ( HAS ANY ONE ELSE NOTICED THIS ? )...any how back to the topic at the moment ...if a alien knocked at your door ( not a trick-or-treater) and said " take me to your leader", who would you take them to ? *your wife * ...or * local cop * or * door greeter at wal-mart * or * waitress at the local greasy spoon restaurant * ?? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

w5alt

10-24-2003, 03:48 AM

Have you ever heard of Hugo Chavez? I'd let him talk to them. They'd be bored to death and frantic to leave after a few hours and hours and hours ....

w8amd

10-24-2003, 09:01 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W5HTW @ Oct. 23 2003,22:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AB8RP @ Oct. 23 2003,18:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kd4amg @ Oct. 23 2003,19:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif where on earth ( in your opinion ) would be the absolute WORST place for folks from another planet to communicate with us on earth ? Where would they go ( by accident ) and get the worst first impression of our planet ? This would be " in person " and not by radio or telepathic means, or sending a probe down to a certain area, where would they get the absolute worst first impression ( and dont say #" kd4amg s home " ...lol )[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
A political convention. #No doubt about it.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Sacremento?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
That would work!

KB9HGI

10-24-2003, 05:45 PM

I'm a truck driver and sometimes the CB is handy to talk to other drivers and local cber's for information. I have 2 meters in the truck but also have a CB. What better way for us truck drivers to ask for directions and so on. I will admit there is alot of garbage on the 11 meter band but I have heard alot of this on the HF bands also.

10-24-2003, 09:18 PM

I agree with the last. So many posts start out "I had a cb as a kid" or "I graduated from cb". If its so bad, then why did you go to the next level. Most of us got the bite of the bug from cb. I have been known to take my cb along on trips along with ham gear. I blow time with the ham gear, but when it comes to road conditions and directions when I am lost (and lets face it, its nice to know about where the smokies are. HIHI). #9 times out of 10 I will always get my anwser on CB well before I even get an anwser on a repeater that may only have a couple of guys that use it during off-working hour skeds. For all the bad things about cb it has many more good traits. The biggest being the entry into the radio hobby itself. I remember one time when I saw a guy on the side of the road with family broke down. He had a cb antenna on the car so I gave him a call. Turned out he was a ham too and I was able to help him on CB. He had an HT but was unfamiler with the area and did not know what the active machine was (for which I was also monitoring).

KB2DQE

01-21-2004, 12:54 PM

I actually read all of these messages...now..Im confused, yes I still have CB's in my car, garage,house,dog house...but its mixed up with tubes,capacitors,resistors,wire,solder,and everything that makes my wife go nuts when she tries to clean things up...what is the end result of this discussion? Can I keep the stuff and the CBs too?...I am waiting on the edge of my chair for this answer<Shhhh, dont tell my wife in case the verdict goes against me>
9K2/KB2DQE http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

KD7ZRO

04-15-2004, 05:46 AM

Well, I got my start in ham radio with a CB. I always wondered what it was like to be a ham. Here I am six years after my first CB and kicking myself for not doing it six years before! Not saying CB is bad, I just like the idea of using my HT, running a watt of power, and still talking to a guy over 30 miles away without any problems. But all that aside, I still occationaly use my CB to talk to this one friend of mine who, not only would be a bad op on any ham band, thinks I am just rediculous to work for a license to operate a radio when I could just stick with a CB with no license required.

But what I just can't understand about CBers is why do the few that are bad ops need to curse and insult others?? I don't use my CB that often because we have this 18 year old girl who thinks, for some reason, all men are "evil", and proceeds to make my communications living hell and also loves to claim that the channel is her property and she can control who uses it, ect. There is another that loves to dobble with other operators and say "shut up stupid" or talk about where he had his ummm, a few minutes ago.

Here's my point: CB is a fine band but unless something changed, we will have more people like me who feel they wasted their time with CB.

Rod

W0UZR

04-15-2004, 07:35 AM

CB!!! What the heck is all this CB stuff?
Every other day there is a new post about CB. I'm starting to get the feeling all of you are jellous of CBers.

Well anyway,,what was the question? Does anyone run a CB in their truck...I don't do enough driving anymore to make it pay for me to have a radio in my truck. And according to some people, if you even sound like you like CB, they are going to ream you a new, aaahh, something or another.

I started out on CB like a number of people I like radio. I have always liked radio when I was a little kid. I had walkie talkies, and old shortwaves. I love radio. Any kind of radio. My 101 F comes with CB. Once in a great while I will turn it to the CB frequencies, and turn it off. But it does bring back a few menories. I had tons of fun on it when it was still normal. And when it got to where I heard more swearing on there in 10 minutes then I would hear in a week of sitting in a bar, then I said forget it.

If you want to operate CB, then operate CB. If you loose respect with hams if you do,,then tell them to get lost.

kc0ebm

04-15-2004, 05:29 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9HGI @ Oct. 24 2003,10:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm a truck driver and sometimes the CB is handy to talk to other drivers and local cber's for information. I have 2 meters in the truck but also have a CB. What better way for us truck drivers to ask for directions and so on. I will admit there is alot of garbage on the 11 meter band but I have heard alot of this on the HF bands also.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
HGI,

Please don't think that you have to apologize for having a CB in your truck. There's nothing inherently wrong with CB, its just the lawlessness that most of us despise. If it weren't for that, most of us, including myself would have a CB in our vehicle.

And you are correct. Much of what we despise about CB is also prevelent on the HF bands. But, please take heart. We amateurs are beginning to make REAL differences on the HF bands. With the help of Riley Hollingsworth, we are going to restore dignity and substantial rules compliance on the amateur bands. Soon there will be a significant change in behavior on the HF bands that will be readily apparent to everybody. Then there will be a STARK and appropriate difference between Amateur Radio and the citizen's band.

We fully and steadfastly intend to clean up amateur radio and to restore the dignity that has been robbed from us by violators.

We ain't playin' NO MO'

Please help us HGI. Join the Grass Roots Rules Enforcement effort. Help us preserve amateur radio and restore its rightful place of legitimacy and service.

73

Tom KCØEBM

n0ov

04-15-2004, 05:53 PM

Answer to the original post -- yes I still have a CB in the truck.

Only hook up the mike when I'm planning to take a long trip.

Only turn it on when traffic as completely stopped -- sometimes between the X-rated language you can get info on what is causing the problems.

May prove helpful if we ever get involed in ARES activities as one other mode (along with FRS)

Not much more activity other than that

04-15-2004, 07:38 PM

Well i still have my Cobra 148F mobile, along with my Yeasu 212. However i dont even go near 19 and mostly just listen and chat with a few nice locals, plus its purty to look at LOL http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

W3MIV

04-15-2004, 09:04 PM

It's not really a good idea, as I learned several years ago.

I had to drive the gear for eight people—tents, cookstove, kitchen gear, sleep bags, etc.—out to Montana, where I would set up camp and pick them up in Missoula after they flew in.
I took along a Kenwood VHF/UHF and a Radio Shack CB HT with a temporary window mount antenna. Traffic reports, etc, are far easier to acquire over CB, like it or not, and there are many places where trucks and truckers are practically the only denizens of the roadways.
First day wasn't too bad: CB sat in one cup holder and the Kenwood in the other. Before too long, however, some breaker would come over the CB with an off-the-wall comment, and the Kenwood would s###### at the breaker's accent, diction and overall lack of grammatical style. Naturally, the Radio Shack HT began to get a little PO'd at this.
By the time we passed around Indianapolis, the tension was building. Squelch was no help, due to the level of the truckers' signals, and the Kenwood was plainly having a good time goading the Radio Shack.
We were trying to get around Chicago in a nasty rain storm when the Radio Shack finally had enough of the guff from the Kenwood and leaped out of its cup holder and grabbed the other radio by the rubber duck.
Truck swerved right and left all over the road while I tried to separate the two. It was nip and tuck for a while there, but I finally managed to toss the Radio Shack CB behind the seat and calm the gasping Kenwood down. Those damned pointy boots (with the high heels) that the Radio Shack was wearing made a mess of the Kenwood's keypad, but it recovered.
I no longer try to drive anywhere with both in the same vehicle.