OT: Parents sue school district for Wi-Fi use

[KB1JCY]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Parents of students who attend an Illinois school district are suing over the use of Wi-Fi technology in classrooms, alleging that exposure to the low-level radio waves may be damaging to students' health. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

http://news.com.com/2100-7351_3-5089202.html?tag=nefd_top

Great, a poorly conducted study is now fodder for the &quot;tinfoil hat&quot; freaks. &quot;Gotta wear my tinfoil hat to protect my head from cosmic rays!&quot;

What's next? Parents shutting down a school's ham club because they fear that Johnny is being exposed to RF? *sigh*

[ae4fa]

And whatcha wanna bet every one of the little darlings has a cell phone clapped to his head for at least 50% of his waking hours?

[ke4pjw]

If you thought something really posed a health hazard to your children at their school, wouldn't you pull them out of the school before you filed the lawsuit?

[KI4BOO]

Just how much power does one of these Wi-Fi systems transmit?

I wonder how much more (or less) it is than the average cellular phone or walkie talkie?

[K6UEY]

As a passing comment, I personally will not use a cell phone, and I do object to those who use one in my presence. I will not use an HT or any handheld capable of transmitting in frequencies above 2 meters. And I passed the code test so I have no reason to use 2 meters. Over 47 years in Aerospace Engineering has taught me you are gambling to play around with these frequencies and coupling them close to your brain.The first rule of gambling is to never take a chance of losing some thing you can not afford to lose, to some this is no problem, but like all gambling the odds are not in your favor. I think the parents have every right to be worried, and I hope the courts rule in their favor. #
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[K8YS]

it is not the RF that is frying the kids brains, it is the content of the current educational system....

[KB1JCY]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KI4BOO @ Oct. 10 2003,05:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Just how much power does one of these Wi-Fi systems transmit?

I wonder how much more (or less) it is than the average cellular phone or walkie talkie?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
100mW at most. At least with this brand of WiFi device (most common in commercial installations).

http://www.alvarion.com/RunTime....pe=item (http://www.alvarion.com/RunTime/Products_2030.asp?tNodeParam=21&fuf=24&type=item)

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif it is a wonder they are getting an EDUCATION at all, with all the &quot; field day trips &quot; and snow days, and vacation, along with the MONDAY holidays for every reason in the world, not to mention the DISTRACTIONS when they are AT the school...bomb threats, rowdy class mates, etc, etc....and NO ONE gets a paddling or sent to the principal any more ( some times the PARENTS deserve the paddling )...like the old saying &quot; spare the rod and spoil the child &quot; . I personally got a lot of spankings when I was younger, and problably deserve a spanking every now &amp; then these days http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif !!

[WA9UAA]

amg,
The phrase &quot;Spare the rod.....&quot; refers to the guidance of a shepards crook not physical punishment. Does one get instant complience with out physical punishment? Probably not. Is raising a child more work for the parent that doesn't use physical punishment. Yes! So what do you get? Better adults!
73,
Rob WA9UAA

Hazards to health from RF depend on frequency, power, and whether a directional antenna is used.

100mW does not sound like a problem, regardless of the other variables...

It's amazing how people worry about high voltage power lines, radiation from their CRT, etc., then they drive like lunatics, smoke cigarettes and vote Republican !

[K8YS]

Hazards to health from RF depend on frequency, power, and whether a directional antenna is used.

100mW does not sound like a problem, regardless of the other variables...

It's amazing how people worry about high voltage power lines, radiation from their CRT, etc., then they drive like lunatics, smoke cigarettes and vote Democrat

Life is dangerous, nobody gets out alive...

Kids are at a greater risk from exhust from the school bus, softdrinks and junk food sold in the school cafe, the radiation from the TV they watch day and night, RF from the cell phone plastered to their ear, #second hand cigarette smoke from their buddies/parents, the list goes on... but hey, why not, these are the same people that think that cell phones can start gas fires at the corner gas station...

there have been no documented incidents of a cell phone causing a fire at a gas station... don't bother, look it up yourself.

[KI4BOO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K8YS @ Oct. 10 2003,20:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">there have been no documented incidents of a cell phone causing a fire at a gas station.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I think it's more of a concern that the RF may interfere with the workings of the pump itself, as many newer gas pumps are computer controlled. Much the same way RF can interfere with the computers in some cars

[ki4bgo]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w2fgv @ Oct. 10 2003,21:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's amazing how people worry about high voltage power lines, radiation from their CRT, etc., then they drive like lunatics, smoke cigarettes and vote Republican ![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
RIGHT ON!!!! ...couldn't have said it any better! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[K9STH]

I agree with the first two, but it is vote for Democrats that causes problems!

Glen, K9STH

[KI4BOO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K9STH @ Oct. 10 2003,21:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I agree with the first two, but it is vote for Democrats that causes problems![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I think the problem is people voting for a political party, rather than for candidates that support and believe the same things they do.

Ponder that.

[AB6ND]

Definition.........education, n, The activity engaged in by members of the teachers unions, in the brief intervals between political lobbying, skills-enhancement sabbaticals,etc.

73, Roy

I probably should have stayed away from politics, but I just tried to think of 3 extreemly self-destructive things, and voting Republican came to mind rather quickly.

If you like seeing your constitutional rights taken away, hearing that the United States will attack other countries before they attack us, having our troops dying to &quot;free&quot; a foreign country that hates us and wants us dead, and seeing the worst economy in 50 years, I guess the Republicans are your kind of &quot;folks&quot;...

The Democrats certainly have their flaws (gun control comes quickly to mind) but I'd vote for them every time, as compared to Republicans. I wish I had time to learn the positions of every candidate as an individual, but if that's not possible, I'll vote the straight Democratic ticket and take my chances !

[KC2KFC]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you like seeing your constitutional rights taken away, hearing that the United States will attack other countries before they attack us, having our troops dying to &quot;free&quot; a foreign country that hates us and wants us dead, and seeing the worst economy in 50 years, I guess the Republicans are your kind of &quot;folks&quot;...
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Actually if I'm not mistaken one of the worst economies in 50 years was during the late 70's. If memory serves me correctly there was a certain Democrat named Jimmy Carter in the office of the president and I think the Dems controlled both the house and the senate. I do remember many people being layed off and double digit inflation.

[KB9YCO]

Sounds like paranoia based on ignorance to me. Obviously constant exposure to RF of any kind is not a good thing, but on a small level like this it seems a bit ridiculous. Did these parents have any cases or evidence to back up their suit or are they just assuming? And like someone else posted, why didn't they pull their kids out of school if they were so worried about it ?

And by the way, it's amazing to me how every topic here becomes a polarized debate. You people do realize that the democrats and republicans, liberals and conservatives, are not really an accurate representation of the majority of people out there? Most people fall squarely in between and these generalizations really don't apply. Applying common sense would be a better idea.
The person that posted about voting for the candidate based on their merits made the most sense to me. Why would anyone blindly vote based on party, based on what their favorite TV or radio host told them to vote for, or based on who is a better speaker or gameshow host look a like? Wake up American you're dreaming ! ! It's time to start looking at the whole picture and stop the endless partisan two party politics that have gotten us to where we are today; some good things and some very bad things.
Just thought I'd say so... farewell.

[kn7f]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC2KFC @ Oct. 13 2003,08:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Actually if I'm not mistaken one of the worst economies in 50 years was during the late 70's. If memory serves me correctly there was a certain Democrat named Jimmy Carter in the office of the president and I think the Dems controlled both the house and the senate. I do remember many people being layed off and double digit inflation.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The double digit inflation was inherited from Nixon, mostly caused by the Viet Nam war, and the jobs didn’t disappear until Reagan took over. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[AE6IP]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC2KFC @ Oct. 13 2003,08:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you like seeing your constitutional rights taken away, hearing that the United States will attack other countries before they attack us, having our troops dying to &quot;free&quot; a foreign country that hates us and wants us dead, and seeing the worst economy in 50 years, I guess the Republicans are your kind of &quot;folks&quot;...
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Actually if I'm not mistaken one of the worst economies in 50 years was during the late 70's. If memory serves me correctly there was a certain Democrat named Jimmy Carter in the office of the president and I think the Dems controlled both the house and the senate. I do remember many people being layed off and double digit inflation.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The US economy was in trouble from the late 60s on. The &quot;Arab Oil Embargo&quot; tripped a stagnate economy into stagflation. The underlying issues can be traced back to British rule in the middle east.

Carter inherited a mess that developed during Nixon's aborted presidency. Neither one of them caused it, and neither of them fixed it.

This whole business of blaming one president or one party for messes is symptomatic of what is wrong with U.S. Politics: The electorate belongs to the short attention span theatre and the pols cater to that with the photo-op soundbite focus-group poll-driven approach to government.

[kd5icr]

Republicans: Tell the goverment to get screwed.
Demacrats: Tell the goverment to screw the people.
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[AG3Y]

Getting back to the subject at hand, is it &quot;junk science&quot; or not ?

I read the information on this page, and I am not so convinced that there isn't actually something about this that we should take seriously.

http://www.junkscience.com/news/headache.htm

Read it for yourself, and then tell me what YOU think ?

73 from Jim AG3Y

[ke4pjw]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AG3Y @ Oct. 22 2003,15:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Getting back to the subject at hand, is it &quot;junk science&quot; or not ?

I read the information on this page, and I am not so convinced that there isn't actually something about this that we should take seriously.

http://www.junkscience.com/news/headache.htm

Read it for yourself, and then tell me what YOU think ?

73 from Jim AG3Y[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
This article is about cellphones. People who use cellphones are within less than a wavelength of the antenna and the person's head. With an 802.11 Access Point, we are talking about being more than several wavelengths away as well as less power output. PCS phones have been in use for over 10 years now, analog phones for over 20 years. If there is a statistical correlation of any type of real brain damage and their use, I am sure that some medical professional that wants to &quot;publish&quot;, would have pointed it out by now.

If they can't prove a cellphone has the potential to be harmful, next to your head, how could less power, futher away be in fact, harmful?

[N8CPA]

I almost rolled on the floor laughing last night. The local news repeated that old urban legend about &quot;static
electricity from cellphones&quot; causing gas station explosions. Lighted cigarette in one hand, cellphone in the other. BOOM! &quot;Can you hear me now?&quot;

!!

[AG3Y]

As long as we are jumping around from one thing to another, I seriously wonder if any documented cases of someone using a radio have set off dynamite at a construction site? You know the old signs along the hiway, &quot; WARNING turn off all transmitting devices. . . etc. &quot;


Just curious, is it true, or just another &quot;urban legend&quot; ?

73 from Jim AG3Y

[KA4DPO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WA9UAA @ Oct. 10 2003,17:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">amg,
The phrase &quot;Spare the rod.....&quot; refers to the guidance of a shepards crook not physical punishment. Does one #get instant complience with out physical punishment? Probably not. Is raising a child more work for the #parent that doesn't use physical punishment. Yes! So what do you get? Better adults!
73,
Rob WA9UAA[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Yes, I completely agree with you. #You should beat your kids at least once a day, even if they haven't done anything wrong.

[ke4pjw]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AG3Y @ Oct. 23 2003,07:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As long as we are jumping around from one thing to another, I seriously wonder if any documented cases of someone using a radio have set off dynamite at a construction site? You know the old signs along the hiway, &quot; WARNING turn off all transmitting devices. . . etc. &quot;


Just curious, is it true, or just another &quot;urban legend&quot; ?

73 from Jim AG3Y[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Several years ago, here in Nashville, there was a huge explosion at a construction site next to the interstate. People were wondering if cellphones could have caused the accident. I remeber kinda snickering at the time becuase there is a 1/4KW 70cm repeater located directly across the interstate from the accident site. I have heard of guys wiring the output of 100Watt Low Band VHF radios to blasting caps, just to see if they would explode. No such luck.

Don't even get me started on &quot;intrinsically safe&quot; HTs. Your purchasing an insurance policy and a little greed dot.

[KC5JSR]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KI4BOO @ Oct. 10 2003,10:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Just how much power does one of these Wi-Fi systems transmit?

I wonder how much more (or less) it is than the average cellular phone or walkie talkie?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
On average about 200 Milliwatts.

[KC5JSR]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w2fgv @ Oct. 10 2003,18:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hazards to health from RF depend on frequency, power, and whether a directional antenna is used.

100mW does not sound like a problem, regardless of the other variables...

It's amazing how people worry about high voltage power lines, radiation from their CRT, etc., then they drive like lunatics, smoke cigarettes and vote Republican ![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Some of the PCI cards can deliver up to 200 Milliwatts, however we do use directional panel antennas outside the building. Generally on the roof.
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Hey, I voted Republican http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
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[KC5JSR]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K9STH @ Oct. 10 2003,21:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I agree with the first two, but it is vote for Democrats that causes problems!

Glen, K9STH[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
That's right! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[KC5JSR]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9YCO @ Oct. 14 2003,17:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sounds like paranoia based on ignorance to me. Obviously constant exposure to RF of any kind is not a good thing, but on a small level like this it seems a bit ridiculous. Did these parents have any cases or evidence to back up their suit or are they just assuming? And like someone else posted, why didn't they pull their kids out of school if they were so worried about it ?

And by the way, it's amazing to me how every topic here becomes a polarized debate. You people do realize that the democrats and republicans, liberals and conservatives, are not really an accurate representation of the majority of people out there? Most people fall squarely in between and these generalizations really don't apply. Applying common sense would be a better idea.
The person that posted about voting for the candidate based on their merits made the most sense to me. Why would anyone blindly vote based on party, based on what their favorite TV or radio host told them to vote for, or based on who is a better speaker or gameshow host look a like? Wake up American you're dreaming ! ! It's time to start looking at the whole picture and stop the endless partisan two party politics that have gotten us to where we are today; some good things and some very bad things.
Just thought I'd say so... farewell.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
My guess is their in a money bind and said, hey let's sue over this Wi-Fi thingee.
Hey, I'll be damned, I'm in a bind for money too, think i'll find something or someone to file a bull-&amp;^% law suit.
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[KC5JSR]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9YCO @ Oct. 14 2003,17:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sounds like paranoia based on ignorance to me. Obviously constant exposure to RF of any kind is not a good thing, but on a small level like this it seems a bit ridiculous. Did these parents have any cases or evidence to back up their suit or are they just assuming? And like someone else posted, why didn't they pull their kids out of school if they were so worried about it ?

And by the way, it's amazing to me how every topic here becomes a polarized debate. You people do realize that the democrats and republicans, liberals and conservatives, are not really an accurate representation of the majority of people out there? Most people fall squarely in between and these generalizations really don't apply. Applying common sense would be a better idea.
The person that posted about voting for the candidate based on their merits made the most sense to me. Why would anyone blindly vote based on party, based on what their favorite TV or radio host told them to vote for, or based on who is a better speaker or gameshow host look a like? Wake up American you're dreaming ! ! It's time to start looking at the whole picture and stop the endless partisan two party politics that have gotten us to where we are today; some good things and some very bad things.
Just thought I'd say so... farewell.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I think they vote a straight ticket so they get out of the polls faster. At least they voted. Personally I consider my-self conservative, but I vote for the person, not the party.
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[KC5JSR]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AG3Y @ Oct. 24 2003,06:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As long as we are jumping around from one thing to another, I seriously wonder if any documented cases of someone using a radio have set off dynamite at a construction site? #You know the old signs along the hiway, &quot; WARNING turn off all transmitting devices. . . etc. #&quot;


Just curious, is it true, or just another &quot;urban legend&quot; ?

73 from Jim AG3Y[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
In some case the Explosives are triggered Via. a Transmitter, and it could be possible for a harmonic to accidently trigger an accidental detination.
Anyway it's a good idea to comply, I would sure hate to know I caused a Rigger to be injured or killed because I didn't want to comply.

[n0xas]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ac7zk @ Oct. 20 2003,14:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The double digit inflation was inherited from Nixon, mostly caused by the Viet Nam war, and the jobs didn’t disappear until Reagan took over. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
You must not have been paying much attention during that period. The jobs were long gone before Reagan took office. I know, I was fresh out of school and looking for work. By the late 70's things were pretty bleak for anyone looking for a job, and by the mid 80's it was a lot better. I was there, I remember.

Frankly, I think dumb policies on both sides of the political aisle contributed to the problems, as is usually the case. Anyone who isn't noticing a definite uptick in the economy now, though, just doesn't want to see it. But there's a lot of that.

73,
Dale

[AE6IP]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (n0xas @ Oct. 24 2003,21:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Anyone who isn't noticing a definite uptick in the economy now, though, just doesn't want to see it. #But there's a lot of that.

73,
Dale[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

I guess I lost my rose colored glasses. I've been all over Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Nevada, Utah, and northern Californa lately, and I sure haven't found a definite uptick. I have found a lot of recently closed businesses, though.

I also just got laid off for the first time in a 27 year career.

I'm sure that there are some areas and some industries in the country that are doing well, but I wouldn't call it an uptick.

[n3mvf]

RF from Wifi is their issue? But hey mom and dad, don't forget to get Johnny his McDonalds fries, Oreos and other assorted heart clogging items and make sure he sits in front of his video game and computer for 9 hours. Then heart disease will kill him first and you won't have to worry about cancer from WiFi!

Problem solved as I go get a doughnut!
73
Greg

[n0ov]

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

This law suit is about stupid! #

They have more chance of harming their kids by using the microwave!

At least the lawyers are happy -- or employed http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[KC5JSR]

What do you call a hundred attorneys in the bottom of the sea?

[N8YV]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w2fgv @ Oct. 10 2003,21:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's amazing how people worry about high voltage power lines, radiation from their CRT, etc., then they drive like lunatics, smoke cigarettes and vote Republican ![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Voting Republican helps but, sadly, is still not quite enough to cancel-out driving like a Democrat, smoking, power line radiation, or CRT exposure.

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[N8YV]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC5JSR @ Dec. 30 2003,18:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What do you call a hundred attorneys in the bottom of the sea?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif I call it WATER POLLUTION! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

JSR I have a great idea. You sue me, and I sue you, then we both win a lotta money! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

TOM K8ERV

[n0ov]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K8ERV @ Dec. 30 2003,07:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">JSR I have a great idea. You sue me, and I sue you, then we both win a lotta money! # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

TOM K8ERV[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Let me see, he sues you, you sue him -- lawyer gets 50% of the winnings.

Hmmmmm sounds like the only one winning is the lawyer.

(Glad you're just joking -- if not, I have some Ocean Front property I'd like to offer you in Missouri at a great price.)

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Just kidding Tom -- Have a Happy New Year!