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USPN
10-01-2003, 01:57 PM
After many requests from readers of our Flex32 soundcard packet tutorial, a new tutorial for setting up and running Paxon, a great packet terminal for Flex32 has been posted in the TUTORIALS page at USPN (http://www.uspacket.net).

With Flex32 and Paxon, hams can enjoy soundcard packet on VHF/UHF, as well as the new Q15x25 (newqpsk) mode on HF!

Paxon performs flawlessly with Flex32, accessing the Flex32 kernal directly, requiring no add-on drivers.

It is especially good for file transfers, and has a number of special features never seen before on old-style packet terminal software.

Enjoy!

Charles Brabham, N5PVL
Director: USPacket.Net
webmaster@uspacket.net

KH2D
10-03-2003, 07:07 PM
One minute you are complaining about EchoLink and EchoStation software putting ham radio manufacturers out of business, next minute you are advertising soundcard software that replaces a TNC. Duh.

What we gonna do with you Charlie http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

See if I have this right.... it's OK to use a soundcard for packet radio, but not for EchoLink or EchoStation, and it's OK to put Kantronics out of business but not OK to put people who make repeater controllers and HF radios out of business. Is that the correct party line ?

Charlie, your Packet Radio Agenda is showing. Or maybe we should call it Packet SoundCard now, huh ?

73, Jim KH2D

ae1x
10-05-2003, 11:35 AM
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One minute you are complaining about EchoLink and EchoStation software putting ham radio manufacturers out of business, next minute you are advertising soundcard software that replaces a TNC. Duh.
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I don't know you are complaining about Jim. EchoLink and Digital Modes are entirely different animals.

EchoLink is Amateur Radio when you link to a repeater or a radio link and communicate through the radio connected to the Link. It's not Amateur Radio when both stations are connected digitally through the EchoLink Server. At that point, you are in a chat mode using TCP/IP just like when you use AIM, MSN Messenger, or Yahoo Messager.

I've made contacts using EchoLink through 2 meter repeaters and on HF. I made a contact using an EchoLink link to a NJ station on 20 meters SSB one day and contacted the same NJ station using 10 meter FM another day while I was connected to a Texas station. I'm not sure how this should be logged, but my best guess would be that I was AE1X/W2... in the first case and AE1X/W5... in the second.

What, I believe, Charlie is reporting here is the availability of software that utilizes the Computer Sound Card to replace the TNC, MODEM, etc. between the computer and the radio for digital modulation modes. This is entirely Amateur Radio that employes the latest digital modes.

Personally, I think that there is too much sniping going on here. We need to use this forum for more positive things. There is a place for debate, but in this case it is out of line. Dave is doing the digital community and those that might be interested a service here and he should be lauded for his work.

Ken

AE1X:kes

10-05-2003, 01:13 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">One minute you are complaining about EchoLink and EchoStation software putting ham radio manufacturers out of business, next minute you are advertising soundcard software that replaces a TNC. Duh.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Actually, USPN is not advertising software, but a free tutorial that has been made available for hams who are interested in Paxon, which is a packet terminal program. The only soundcard functions that Paxon features are along the lines of alarm bells, SYSOP paging, connection bips, etc..

While it is true that Flex32 has a soundmodem driver that makes it possible to use a number of varieties of packet radio along with Newqpsk ( Q15x25 ) mode for HF, none of those advanced varieties of packet are offered in any TNC.

Newqpsk mode ( Q15x25 ) is also not available in any TNC, though there are two soundcard implementations of it for Windows ( Mixw and Flex32 ) that rapidly followed its original soundcard release for the less popular Linux OS. The Windows versions were developed so that a significant number of hams could operate and experiment with the new mode.

The only actual "FlexNet Hardware" is the RMNC controller, widely used for FlexNet nodes in Europe but not used at all in the United States. The FlexNet RMNC controller is brought to us by the same people who brought us FlexNet, Flex32, and Flex32's soundmodem driver, by the way. #

So there is of course no "replacement" going on there in Flex32's soundmodem driver of what is offered by any of the ham TNC or digital equipment manufacturers in either the U.S. or Europe.

Duh! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

Jim, I'm afraid you'll have to try your "LandLine Lid" trolling activities elsewhere... You've managed to stick your foot into your mouth here.

Have a good day, and take care!

Charles Brabham, #N5PVL
Director: USPacket.Net
http://www.uspacket.net

KH2D
10-05-2003, 01:28 PM
Personally, I think that there is too much sniping going on here. We need to use this forum for more positive things. There is a place for debate, but in this case it is out of line. Dave is doing the digital community and those that might be interested a service here and he should be lauded for his work.

Me too.

Who is Dave ?

The gentleman who posted the original message in this thread is Charlie, so I have no idea who Dave is.

I'd suggest you look around and see if you can find any other discussions about Echolink, and see what Charlie has to say there.

And Charlie, if your FlexNet stuff only works in Europe, I'd suggest you post your tutorial links on a web site in Poland. There are very few hams from Europe who come here to argue on a regular basis.

73, Jim KH2D

K6UEY
10-05-2003, 07:30 PM
I am curious about this stuff about packet. I pulled all my stuff off packet here in No. Cal.about 2 or 3 years ago as there was an influx of lids who tried to tie the nodes into the internet against the wishes of the node operators,so the nodes just folded up their tent and left, which drove the stake into the heart of packet at least the normal 2 meter type,a shame too except for SSB that was the last good use for the 2 meter band.
Is there a resurgence of the node operators and packet radio ? Or is there some one trying to sell software to the crowd a day late and a dollar short?
Any honest comments would be appreciated tnx # 73, # ORV
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10-06-2003, 12:00 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Is there a resurgence of the node operators and packet radio ? Or is there some one trying to sell software to the crowd a day late and a dollar short?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

There is a resurgence of interest and activity in packet, in most areas of the U.S., that has been building up over the last four or five years. Some areas are seeing new nodes go up every month, while others are just now getting back on the air again, or maybe just now starting to think about it.

The fastest-growing, most advanced packet network in the U.S. is the Northeastern FlexNet network - http://www.northeastflexnet.org/ #- They've set up over 140 new FlexNet nodes since they started a few years back - and one of the reasons this packet net has done so well is that stations that insist upon maintaining non-ham links ( Packet/internet gateways and BBS E-mail forwarders #) are shut out from participation in the network. They simply do not allow the incorporation of non-ham links and this policy has served this group very well.

They also use FlexNet, the most advanced packet radio system available. There is a lot of good information about FlexNet at their web-site, listed above.

Not all packet networking groups maintain web-sites, in fact most of the smaller ones do not, but still you can see a representative sample of what hams are doing today at USPN's "Network" page. This page lists links to known packet networks in the U.S. that maintain up-to-date web pages. A more comprehensive listing is in the works.

To view this list, go to USPN (http://www.uspacket.net) and press the "Network" button on the left.

A lot of the newest packet activity has been oriented toward emergency communications and ARES use. Of these networks, almost all model themselves to a some extent on the largest, most successful amateur packet radio emergency communications network, SEDAN (http://www.sedan-central.org/). ( SouthEastern Digital Association Networks )

One packet network to avoid modelling your efforts after would be TexNet, the only large-scale packet radio network in the United States to completely go under and disappear from the face of the Earth. A few years prior to their disappearence, they decided to use Internet links between nodes, instead of the 440 MHz 9.6kb RF links they had successfully used for years.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> I pulled all my stuff off packet here in No. Cal.about 2 or 3 years ago as there was an influx of lids who tried to tie the nodes into the internet against the wishes of the node operators,so the nodes just folded up their tent and left, which drove the stake into the heart of packet at least the normal 2 meter type,a shame too except for SSB that was the last good use for the 2 meter band.
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Some of the same people who got hold of your network got hold of TexNet, looks like. At one time, there were over 100 TexNet nodes, then - #POOF! #

I could go on and on about packet, but this is supposed to be about the Paxon tutorial at USPN, so I guess I ought to take a break.

If you decide to start up the packet net again in your area, be sure to set things up so that the same folks who messed it up in the first place are firmly prevented from doing so again. Just write "No non-ham links, or links to non-ham links allowed" into the charter. Enforce it without exception, and you'll do OK.

Charles Brabham, #N5PVL

K6UEY
10-06-2003, 12:11 AM
CHARLES N5PVL,
Thank you for the comments, I surely will take another look as you suggested and evaluate the current activity.
TNX # # #73, # ORV
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ae1x
10-06-2003, 08:10 AM
Jim,

I'm sorry that I used the wrong name for Charlie (Dave). I have modified my post to correct the error. I've also modified the section where I used: </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">first commenter[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>.

Ken

KH2D
10-06-2003, 08:37 AM
Charlie said:

I could go on and on about packet.....

Amen Brother. NOBODY can go on and on about packet like you can, Charlie. You are the undisputed heavyweight champion of On and On About Packet. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

73, Jim KH2D

KH2D
10-06-2003, 08:42 AM
I'm sorry that I used the wrong name for Charlie (Dave). I have modified my post to correct the error.

Ok, thanks. I wasn't complaining about Echolink, Charlie was..... You can read about it in the discussion entitled "Echolink" over HERE (http://www.qrz.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST&f=3&t=45158).

73, Jim KH2D

10-06-2003, 11:03 AM
It's been years since anybody has called me Dave, but I respond to that as readily as I do to "Charles". - That's why I never said anything about it.

I generally stick with Charles though, to cut down on any confusion.

This situation reminds me of a tour I took through a large cavern, years ago. At one point, there was a place where the ceiling dipped down and you had to kind of duck to get through there. The tour guide cautioned us not to bump our heads on the rock overhead... She said that over a period of years, that rock had come to be known as "the rock of a thousand names".

Charles Brabham, #N5PVL
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WD8OQX
10-09-2003, 08:59 PM
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How do I get this going in HF?
As of now I have paxon running at 1200 & default tones.


Tnx - in advance

10-11-2003, 02:12 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">How do I get this going in HF?
As of now I have paxon running at 1200 & default tones.
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There's only one HF mode for Flex32/Paxon, and that is Q15x25 mode.

In the Flex32 soundmodem setup, there is a screen where you choose "afsk" from a drop-down menu in order to set up for packet... At the bottom of that menu's list, below "afsk" there should be a "newqpsk" option. Choose "newqpsk" here, and it will make a soundmodem driver for newqpsk ( Also known as Q15x25 mode. ) #

All of the default values for the newqpsk modem will work, but in order to talk with stations using MixW, you will need to change the default "interleave" setting from 8 to 16 .

There is a Q15x25 e-group at yahoo.com that is a good place to dig up basic info about operating freqs, etc.

Hope this helps!

Charles Brabham, #N5PVL

WD8OQX
10-11-2003, 05:03 PM
Charles Brabham, N5PVL

TNX 4 info

1 question though, in the parimeters it says 1200 baud, is this correct as I though HF is 300 (or at least it used to be)? If this is correct I should be good to go.

10-11-2003, 10:45 PM
I just looked at my setup, and it lists 2500 as the baud rate for newqpsk.

It uses 15 psk streams at once, at 83.?? baud each ( I forgot the actual baud rate. ) , that adds up to an effective 2500 baud.

Hence the other name for the mode, Q15x25 #...

Here's what my newqpsk modulator setup looks like. The image is lo-res, so it doesn't eat up too much bandwidth:


http://www.uspacket.net/flex32/newqpsksetup.jpg

Speaking of bandwidth, newqpsk comes close to the legal limit for amateur signals, and in this respect is comparable to PACTOR III.

Newqpsk works just like packet, has error-correction and is fun. Be careful about where you transmit that wide signal, though! The Q15x25 e-group at Yahoo.com has info on operating freqs, etc. Lots of good information there.

Hope this helps!

Charles Brabham, #N5PVL