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September 11, 2003
Ms. Elizabeth I. Olsen
4170 Atlantic Avenue
Farmingdale, NJ 07727
RE: Amateur Radio license N2CTD--Repeater Operation
Case Number 2003-603
Dear Ms. Olsen:
By letter dated July 7, 2003, we informed you of a complaint that a repeater identifying with your call sign operating on 146.775 MHz often fails to identify, drifts and often generates noise and locks into the transmit mode. Information in the complaint also indicated that it was no longer coordinated. We requested that you respond in detail to the complaint, pursuant to Section 308(b) of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, 47 U.S.C. Section 308(b), within 20 days.
We have reviewed the information provided in your response, as well as information provided by the area coordinator, MetroCor. We note that you have replaced repeater equipment, corrected deficient operation of the repeater, properly applied for coordination; and that coordination will be issued when the matter is closed by the Commission.
In view of the above, we are closing this matter. You are reminded that the decision to
operate your station as a repeater is a totally voluntary one. Repeaters are a convenience, not a necessity. A repeater is a station, just like any other station, under Section 97.205 of the Commission’s rules; and all stations must have a licensee and a control operator capable of ensuring the IMMEDIATE proper operation of a station regardless of the type of control.
Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.
Sincerely,
W. Riley Hollingsworth
Special Counsel Enforcement Bureau
CC: FCC Northeastern Regional Director
September 10, 2003
CERTIFIED MAIL—RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED
Kelly G. Jones
705 State Hwy KK
Fordland, MO 65652
Subject: Technician Class Amateur License K0EMD
WARNING NOTICE
Dear Licensee:
Information before the Commission indicates that on July 20, 2003, at 0235 UTC, you operated on 18.128 MHz, the 17 Meter Amateur Band. That frequency is not allocated to Technician Class operators.
Such operation reflects adversely on your qualifications to retain an Amateur Radio license. Section 308(b) of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, gives the Commission the authority to obtain information from licensees about the operation of their station. Accordingly, you are requested to respond to this letter within 20 days of its date submitting any information you wish to be considered in regard to the above operation. Address your response to 1270 Fairfield Road at the letterhead address.
The information you submit will be used to determine what action to take in this matter. Please be advised that Congress has made punishable a willfully false or misleading reply to a letter of this type.
Additionally, please be advised that such operation my lead to revocation of your license or a monetary forfeiture, and no upgrade application will be considered until this matter is resolved. Please call me at 717-338-2502 if you wish to discuss this matter.
Sincerely,
W. Riley Hollingsworth
Special Counsel
Enforcement Bureau
CC: FCC South Central Regional Director
September 11, 2003
CERTIFIED MAIL--RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED
Mr. Martin Gross
124 11th Street
Lakewood, NJ 08701
RE: Amateur Radio license N2DCG--Repeater Operation
Case Number 2003-626
Dear Mr. Gross:
Enclosed is a complaint that a repeater identifying with your call sign is operating on 448.825/443.825 MHz and is used as an adjunct to WNVF 627, a business radio system for the Hatzolah Emergency Medical Services, rather than for Amateur Radio purposes as set forth in Section 97.1 of the Commission’s rules. Information further indicates that the repeater is not coordinated.
Section 308(b) of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, 47 U.S.C. Section 308(b), gives the Commission the authority to request information from a licensee regarding the operation of a radio station. Accordingly, you are requested to respond in detail to the matters raised in the complaint within 20 days from the above date.
In an inquiry of this type we are required to advise you that Congress has made punishable a willfully false or misleading reply, and that the information you submit will be used to determine what, if any, action to take in this matter. See Title 18, Section 1001 of the United States Code. Address your response to 1270 Fairfield Road at the above letterhead address.
Sincerely,
W. Riley Hollingsworth
Special Counsel Enforcement Bureau
Enclosure: 2 pages
CC: FCC Northeastern Regional Director
September 10, 2003
CERTIFIED MAIL—RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED
Kenneth W. Paul
702 South 7th St Cot 15
Lake City, MN 55041
Subject: Technician Class Amateur License N0VDP
WARNING NOTICE
Dear Licensee:
Information before the Commission indicates that on July 20, 2003, at 0235 UTC, you operated on 18.145 MHz, the 17 Meter Amateur Band. That frequency is not allocated to Technician Class operators.
Such operation reflects adversely on your qualifications to retain an Amateur Radio license. Section 308(b) of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, gives the Commission the authority to obtain information from licensees about the operation of their station. Accordingly, you are requested to respond to this letter within 20 days of its date submitting any information you wish to be considered in regard to the above operation. Address your response to 1270 Fairfield Road at the letterhead address.
The information you submit will be used to determine what action to take in this matter. Please be advised that Congress has made punishable a willfully false or misleading reply to a letter of this type.
Additionally, please be advised that such operation my lead to revocation of your license or a monetary forfeiture, and no upgrade application will be considered until this matter is resolved. Please call me at 717-338-2502 if you wish to discuss this matter.
Sincerely,
W. Riley Hollingsworth
Special Counsel
Enforcement Bureau
CC: FCC South Central Regional Director
September 9, 2003
CERTIFIED MAIL—RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED
Mr. Larry L. Smith
25329 Kimpton Drive
Middleton, ID 83644
RE: Warning Notice: Amateur Radio license KC7LJR
Case #EB-2003-622
Dear Mr. Smith:
Information before the Commission indicates that you have deliberately interfered with the W7RAZ repeater system on 146.840 MHz on numerous occasions, and ignored a written request from the control operator of that repeater that you not use it. Enclosed are copies of complaints that relate to those incidents.
Continued interference to the W7RAZ repeater, or to any other Amateur repeater, or any other Amateur communications, will subject you to revocation and suspension proceedings, as well as a monetary forfeiture. Fines normally range from $7,500 to $10,000. Additionally, you will not be allowed to upgrade your license until this matter is resolved.
We note that there is an address discrepancy in our database associated with KC7LJR, which still shows your address as 520 SW 24 St Apt 28, Ontario, OR 97914. We request that you correct your records as necessary on our database within 20 days.
Section 308(b) of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, 47 U.S.C. Section 308(b), give the Commission the authority to obtain information from applicants and licensees regarding the operation of their station. Accordingly, you are requested to respond to the enclosed complaints within 20 days from the above date.
Please call me at 717-338-2502 if you have any questions about this matter.
Sincerely,
W. Riley Hollingsworth
Special Counsel
Enforcement Bureau
Enclosures: (8)
CC: Western Regional Director, FCC
n0klu
09-23-2003, 06:48 PM
N7MK, I am pleased to see that we are still policing our bands. As long as we continue to be diligent, there should not be much of a problem with bad Ham practices on the airwaves as some have feared. Yes there will always be folks that should not be hams, because they refuse to follow the rules. But if we remain diligent, it should keep them down to a minimum. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
kb9ojs
09-23-2003, 06:48 PM
Well, I am so glad the Riley and his staff at the FCC has been busy sending out notices. I really hope that he reads this post of mine. I would like to know what happened to a complaint filed in July about 2 Hams in the St. Louis, MO area(both are 0 callsigns, one is a general, the other is an advanced). These operators are well known for getting drunk and doing the following:
1. Swearing
2. Failing to ID
3. Deliberately interfereing with numerous repeaters.
4. Transmitting on the input freq. after the machine either times out or the owner turns it off.
5. Saying racial slurs against Jews and Catholics.
6. Off color jokes.
7. Describing what they are going to do when the go to the bathroom.
8. Many other things that any ham should not even THINK about doing on the radio.
Yet I have not seen anything done about this case. I know that these two people, with the help of the local OO, probably got away with all this. I spoke to the OO at a hamfest a few months ago and he sounded like one of the operators was one of his good freinds. So, I guess it is alright to get on the radio and do the things that these two ham were doing? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif It kinda upsets me see people acting this way on the air without getting some type of punishment. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
On the other hand, this really doesn't suprise me any. Who knows, maybe the complaint accidently fell into the shredder http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
73's de KB9OJS Amateur Extra
n0klu
09-23-2003, 07:00 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kb9ojs @ Sep. 23 2003,13:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well, I am so glad the Riley and his staff at the FCC has been busy sending out notices. I really hope that he reads this post of mine. I would like to know what happened to a complaint filed in July about 2 Hams in the St. Louis, MO area(both are 0 callsigns, one is a general, the other is an advanced). These operators are well known for getting drunk and doing the following:
1. Swearing
2. Failing to ID
3. Deliberately interfereing with numerous repeaters.
4. Transmitting on the input freq. after the machine either times out or the owner turns it off.
5. Saying racial slurs against Jews and Catholics.
6. Off color jokes.
7. Describing what they are going to do when the go to the bathroom.
8. Many other things that any ham should not even THINK about doing on the radio.
#Yet I have not seen anything done about this case......
# # # # 73's de KB9OJS Amateur Extra[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
If they are still doing this, maybe you should record an audio tape and submit this to the FCC. This is a shame, they are supposed to be ELMERING the No-Code Techs on propoer use of the airwaves......I would make a audio tape and send a copy to the FCC again with a re-filing of my complaint.
I hope this can be resolved without a lot of greif and name-calling.
I hope the No-Code Techs will dedmonstrate better conduct than these two you mentioned. I think I have heard them on the Hilsbro 2m repeater, as I check into it on occassion to talk to some friends ther in the St. louis area.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kb9ojs @ Sep. 22 2003,12:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">1. Swearing
2. Failing to ID
3. Deliberately interfereing with numerous repeaters.
4. Transmitting on the input freq. after the machine either times out or the owner turns it off.
5. Saying racial slurs against Jews and Catholics.
6. Off color jokes.
7. Describing what they are going to do when the go to the bathroom.
8. Many other things that any ham should not even THINK about doing on the radio.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I do not see that everything in your list that is prohibited by the Rules. The only "questionable" violation may be "swearing", but that is subject to the forbidden words. Failure to ID is a violation and you could tape record them and forward the tape to Riley Hollingsworth. Other than that, it has become fashionable to attack religion, liberals have been doing it for years.
Potty humor has always been popular with 5 year old children, off color jokes are popular with older children with a 5 year old mentality.
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As for the other two...
"What do you mean, I need a LICENSE to operate on 17 meters? I have a ham license, I should be able to operate where I want"... said the two TECH CLASS invading GENERAL CLASS territory.
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KB5DPE
09-23-2003, 07:24 PM
KB9OJS,
Be patient. #Just because the FCC has not responded as yet doesn't mean that they will not respond.
Also, to bolster your complaint, tape record this childish activity and forward it to the FCC office in charge of your district. #This would make it very difficult for them not to respond if the conduct is as bad as you describe.
Above all, bear in mind that the FCC is an overburdened government agency with far too few people and far too much work. #I am sure that they would prefer to respond more quickly to this type of problem.
These kind of people get away with their trash for a while, but, I doubt if they will get away with it indefinitely.
Now, make those tapes! #Good luck,
Tom KB5DPE
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K8YS @ Sep. 23 2003,11:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Other than that, it has become fashionable to attack religion, liberals have been doing it for years.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Always with the politics. Your comment contributed absolutely nothing to this thread. I'm sure if you agreed with what these two chuckleheads say on the air (which you may) #you'd be screeching about their right to free speech. Also, last time I checked, deliberate interference to repeaters is against the rules. Oh yeah. That's right. In the original posting, someone did get a warning notice for interference to a repeater system. Maybe you should bone up on rules a bit.
WX7B
kb9ojs
09-23-2003, 11:32 PM
Fellow QRZers,
All of this rubbish(6 months of it) was recorded by another amateur and a signed petition with about 20 signatures was sent to Riley around the middle of July. One ham I know(the person who recorded it) said that he got in contact with Riley sometime back in early August and Riley supposedly said that he was "reviewing the material". He must be taking his time.
73's de KB9OJS
kb9ojs
09-23-2003, 11:37 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K8YS @ Sep. 23 2003,12:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Other than that, it has become fashionable to attack religion, liberals have been doing it for years.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I think that you cross the line insulting a particular religion when you say "F**K THE JEWS!" Yep, I heard one of these two guys say that and it was also recorded and sent to Riley along with about 5 other tapes of these two LIDS.
73's de KB9OJS
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WX7B @ Sep. 22 2003,14:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K8YS @ Sep. 23 2003,11:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Other than that, it has become fashionable to attack religion, liberals have been doing it for years.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Always with the politics. Your comment contributed absolutely nothing to this thread. I'm sure if you agreed with what these two chuckleheads say on the air (which you may) #you'd be screeching about their right to free speech. Also, last time I checked, deliberate interference to repeaters is against the rules. Oh yeah. That's right. In the original posting, someone did get a warning notice for interference to a repeater system. Maybe you should bone up on rules a bit.
WX7B[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
WX7B/6
Perhaps YOU need to bone up on the rules... if you have read my reply correctly, you woud have seen that I was commenting on KB9OJS's post - not the FCC letters.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kb9ojs @ Sep. 22 2003,17:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K8YS @ Sep. 23 2003,12:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Other than that, it has become fashionable to attack religion, liberals have been doing it for years.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I think that you cross the line insulting a particular religion when you say "F**K THE JEWS!" Yep, I heard one of these two guys say that and it was also recorded and sent to Riley along with about 5 other tapes of these two LIDS.
73's de KB9OJS[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
must be Six Landers
I STAND BY WHAT I SAID, IT IS NOT A POLITICAL STATEMENT, IT IS FACT, IT IS FASHIONABLE TO BASH RELIGION. DO NOT BELIEVE ME, LISTEN TO THIS EVENING NEWS
Riley is doing what he is paid for. #You may not get an answer or response, but he has a group monitoring.
We must all try to get rid of these hard cores, wherever they came from and where they are going.
You will be reading more and more as time goes by.
If and when this is all cleaned up and a pleasure to operate the ssb, I may have a come back and give it a try.
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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K8YS @ Sep. 23 2003,15:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">WX7B/6
Perhaps YOU need to bone up ont he rules... if you have read my replay correctly, you woud have seen that I was commenting on KB9OJS's post - not the FCC letters.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I can read, you obviously can't.
I was responding to your post. You inferred (with your rotten sentence structure) that you didn't believe deliberate interference to repeaters was illegal. Read your post again! Also, what does this sentence mean? "The only "questionable" violation may be "swearing", but that is subject to the forbidden words." Subject to the "forbidden" words? That sentence makes absolutely no sense.
As for bashing of religion, you need a reality check. The only religion that has been consistently bashed over the last few years has been Islam. But you probably think that's ok.
Well, at least you have the basics needed to look up my callsign. Well maybe you don't. KB9OYS is in Illinois, so I'm not sure what you mean by "must be six-landers" in your response to his post.
Instead of wasting time responding to you, I should be doing something more important like dumping my garbage.
WX7B
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif0--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WX7B @ Sep. 22 2003,19http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif0)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K8YS @ Sep. 23 2003,15:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">WX7B/6
Perhaps YOU need to bone up ont he rules... if you have read my replay correctly, you woud have seen that I was commenting on KB9OJS's post - not the FCC letters.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I can read, you obviously can't.
I was responding to your post. You inferred (with your rotten sentence structure) that you didn't believe deliberate interference to repeaters was illegal. Read your post again! Also, what does this sentence mean? "The only "questionable" violation may be "swearing", but that is subject to the forbidden words." Subject to the "forbidden" words? That sentence makes absolutely no sense.
As for bashing of religion, you need a reality check. The only religion that has been consistently bashed over the last few years has been Islam. But you probably think that's ok.
Well, at least you have the basics needed to look up my callsign. Well maybe you don't. KB9OYS is in Illinois, so I'm not sure what you mean by "must be six-landers" in your response to his post. #
Instead of wasting time responding to you, I should be doing something more important like dumping my garbage.
WX7B[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
YOU HAVE A PROBLEM, and until you get over your problem, perhaps you might not want to respond to things you do not understand.
You WX7B/6 are in California according to the records here on QRZ.COM, and you should know about the problems associated with SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA and repeater behavior. Now, do you understand the "must be six landers" comment? CLEAR NOW, understand?
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I guess I should have typed slower for you.
Go take out the garbage, it is starting to stink.
k4wri
09-24-2003, 01:40 AM
WHO CARES!!!!
Get a life pencil neck geeks!
N7AAO
09-24-2003, 02:03 AM
Hey, WX7B and K8YS,
Thank you for your wonderful demonstration of the maturity of the Extra-class Amateur Radio Operator.
Phineas
09-24-2003, 02:27 AM
KB9OJS
I hate to say this, but other than the jamming part, everything else is a grey area. Frankly I have accepted the fact that there are right wing-redneck-racists #in every bunch. Thank goodness they all hang out in the same place(75/80 meters), and they dont make up the majority. I am also thankful that i have a VFO on my radio. It is ashamed that the Radio Gastapo Police( OO's ) in the area wont spend their time going after those fellas that jam, and cause problems rather than going after people for little things.
Things like what you mentioned are the reason why I rarely get on the radio in St.Louis anymore.
I hope Riley gets on the ball and cleans this area up, and maybe put some control on the Radio Gastapo Police.
Hobbies are suppose to be fun....Right?
Phineas
K0KMA
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Hi Dave!
Welcome to Ham Radio! I hope you have enjoyed your 7 months as a Ham! Congratulations on your new callsign!
Ham Radio is full of different experiences. This is just one of them.
Make sure you stay out of the enforcement log!
73,
WX7B
N6HBJ
09-24-2003, 05:38 AM
What is the purpose of all this?.........
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What is the purpose of all this?.........[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Amusement.
Now if we could only get Riley to go after those damn Freebanders. We have the same guys that have been using 27.475 - 27.605 LSB running 1-2kw for more than 10 yrs! These guys interfer with everything from telephones to garage door openers. People complain but they are not being heard. And when will he go after the BIG fish in Freeband. Copper Electronics. These guys have thumbed their noses at the FCC and amatuer radio for over 20 yrs. #Its time they were shut down and more attention is spent on enforcement of illegally modified radios and operating on non allocated frequencies.
How about appointing#Riley commish since it sounds as if Powell is stepping down. # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
WD8OQX
09-24-2003, 07:31 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N7MK @ Sep. 23 2003,23:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What is the purpose of all this?.........[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Amusement.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
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Must be! - That is about all it is acomplishing....
There seems to be a misunderstanding here concerning enforcement.
You filed a complaint with documentation. This is all well and good. It presents a solid case for enforcement, but the FCC must collect its own evidence. This is done over a period of time. The OO crew can take action to assist. The FCC recognizes OO reports as official. The next step is to DF the offending stations. Just the documentation of the violations is not sufficient. These legal requirements take time and coordination. The FCC has limited resources and it takes time for them to schedule an enforcement action in a particular district.
My recommendation to you and your colleagues is to continue documenting these violations and reporting them. The lids involved will receive a notice of violation and their names and call signs will appear on the ARRL website or here on QRZ.
Concerning the Freebanders, I hope someone can provide sufficient documentation to the appropriate officials so that these scofflaws can be brought to justice. The major problem with the Citizen's Radio Service in general is that most of the violators are now mobile and are very difficult to locate and cite. The resources required just to do not exist in the FCC budgets to track down all the mobile violators.
We, the Amateur Community, need to group together to identify and persuade violators to change tactics or face peer pressure. We can be effective teachers and help to insure proper behavior on air. Remember that our regulations indicate that we are a self-regulating service. We must take this to heart and police ourselves. We do not want a record of failure that will force the FCC to take action. We may not like the action they take.
You can lend a hand in promoting good practices by joining or supporting your local Amateur Radio Club or Repeater Group. Remember there is always safety in numbers and numbers tend to get more attention than a small group of people doing their own thing.
We have the capability to police ourselves. Let's use that capability for the good of this great hobby.
Ken Stringham
AE1X:kes
K4RLC
09-24-2003, 02:51 PM
-I would appreciate if any of you could occasionially monitor
14.275 around 2200-2330 EDT for a "net" run out of Florida. On this "net" not only do they use profanity, tell gross jokes abt sex, including having sex with cows (guess that's all they can get). They are very coarse and profane persons, and represent ham radio at its worst. This is an international band, and I shudder to think what worldwide hams think abt this. I looked up the call sign of the "net control" and he claims to be an official observer for ARRL!
-I sent a note to Riley, but haven't seen any response.
-Tnx es 73 de K4RLC Bob
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K8YS @ Sep. 23 2003,12:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Other than that, it has become fashionable to attack religion, liberals have been doing it for years.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I like the way the 10 Commandments are being taken off of buildings that are much older than the lawyers pressing the case in court to do so.
Regarding WX7B/6's comment about Islam being a victim of being bashed, I haven't seen any other religion going around killing people with airplanes, etc., nor have I seen any other religion except Islam promoting such activities - so yes, Islam will be bashed (and very rightfully so) until the Islam leadership publicly denounces such activity.
So you're asking, "What does this have to do with Amateur Radio Enforcement Actions?" It has a lot to do with it - the basis of passing judgement on another person is typically made within the context of the person's opinion - "If I don't like it, you shouldn't either" type of mentality.
The FCC enforcement group is backlogged on the number of complaints that have been filed and will take a very long time for them to handle each complaint. #So instead of waiting on the FCC, there's very little that prevents someone from stopping by these persons' houses and having a little chat with them. #I realize that in today's society which opts to sue someone over a paper cut this is difficult for some (and might even require some testosterone) but hey, that's life. #It's a lot easier to deal with these situations if you eat red meat.
wx5nco
09-24-2003, 07:02 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Timl @ Sep. 24 2003,02:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N7MK @ Sep. 23 2003,23:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What is the purpose of all this?.........[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Amusement.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
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Must be! - That is about all it is acomplishing....[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Don't know about y'all, but I'm having a ball #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
n4ems
09-24-2003, 10:29 PM
Well, isn't it cute to see that all the hams out here can play nice in the sandbox together. Kids, what you gonna do about 'em. Oh well, as long as they stay out of my radio.
Ta Ta for now.
73
Eric
N4DMJ
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N7AAO @ Sep. 22 2003,20:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hey, WX7B and K8YS,
Thank you for your wonderful demonstration of the maturity of the Extra-class Amateur Radio Operator.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
you are most welcome
n0klu
09-25-2003, 12:53 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (n4dmj @ Sep. 24 2003,17:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well, isn't it cute to see that all the hams out here can play nice in the sandbox together. #Kids, what you gonna do about 'em. #Oh well, as long as they stay out of my radio.
Ta Ta for now.
73
Eric
N4DMJ[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Shouldn't it be...."Oh well, as long as they keep the sand out of my radio." ? hehe, just a thought... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
See we all can play in the same "sandbox" and still get along. I'm happy! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
TTFN!
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KA0MNX @ Sep. 24 2003,08:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Regarding WX7B/6's comment about Islam being a victim of being bashed, I haven't seen any other religion going around killing people with airplanes, etc., nor have I seen any other religion except Islam promoting such activities - so yes, Islam will be bashed (and very rightfully so) until the Islam leadership publicly denounces such activity.
So you're asking, "What does this have to do with Amateur Radio Enforcement Actions?" It has a lot to do with it - the basis of many complaints on another person is typically made within the context of the person'sopinion - "If I don't like it, you shouldn't either" type of mentality.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
It appears tacking on "/6" to my callsign is supposed to be some sort of insult. Either that or a derogatory label along the lines of the use of "liberal" by right wing crazies. Go ahead and /6 me all you want, I could care less. I won't stoop to your level by bashing where you live.
Regarding religion: Many crimes against humanity over the centuries have been committed in the name of some religion or "god". Islam has its fanatics to be sure, but it is unfair to put the entire religion in a bad light due to a small number of looney tunes. Christianity has its share of dangerous freaks. Florida just executed a fundamentalist weirdo who blew away an #abortion doctor in the name of God. While not on the scale of 9/11, there are numerous documented atrocities committed by Christians in this country alone. K8YS will probably think this is Christian bashing, but the bottom line is the facts are the facts.
Unlike your political views, I do agree with your premise that passing judgment is typically a matter of opinion. The "I don't like it, you shouldn't either" mentality is still very strong in Ham Radio. Here in Santa Rosa (K8YS-Santa Rosa is nowhere near SoCal. You need to add geography on your to do list along with reading comprehension and reading) there are many repeater users that get upset if you talk about ANYTHING other than Ham Radio.These types of individuals do make complaints to the FCC and waste everyone's time. This is the main reason I don't use vhf/uhf much because repeaters are boring and partially filled with narrow minded shut-ins.
What started all this was K8YS making a completely off the wall comment regarding hatred of religion. Even though I think he's completely wrong, he's entitled to his opinion. I'm also entitled to my opinion and have every right to call him on his opinion. He ruined a potentially good point by throwing in his politics in when he did.
Running to the FCC every time you hear something you don't like on the air is A. stupid and B. a waste of the FCC's time and resources. Remember, our radios have VFOs. Change frequency in you don't like what you hear and report to the FCC only if is blatant and #consistent. A lot of hams have cried wolf so many times, our overall credibility with the FCC is dropping.
To all of you with the "sandbox" "maturity" comments. Get real. A little discourse now and then is a good thing. I'm going to post my opinion without any of the off the wall political references, which is something right wing types do all the time. Actually, Hilary Clinton IM'd me tonight and asked me to channel her into Ham Radio. Do you feel it? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
To K2AEX. You are absolutely correct. Ham Radio is not
ideology or theology driven, despite efforts by a small minority of zealots who believe Ham Radio is an appropriate medium kick out their views even if out of context with whatever is being discussed.
Finally. The K8YS geography lesson for today!
Santa Rosa= 60 north of San Francisco=North California
Santa Rosa to LA. 429 miles south. LA =SoCal
Hit a repeater in SoCal? Not happening from here, so I have no idea what goes on down there.
73,
WX7B http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
kb2rjh
09-25-2003, 10:34 AM
Killed again QRZ MODS are a joke and nutless come forth and state why you kill my replys. There not any worse than the rest that are posted here.
What I find very strange and confusing is the FCC's letter to Mr. Martin Gross. I don't live in Lakewood, NJ, but I've heard of Hatzolah before. I did some research on them and found that:
a) They are a non-profit organization registered with the IRS.
b) They are a group of volunteers who provide mostly emergency medical aid to people.
To me, this sounds much like the Red Cross. Years ago, I was involved with providing communications for the Red Cross during disasters, walk-a-thons, etc. I know that the Red Cross also employed "business radio" systems and used amateur radio operation as a supplement - much like the enforcement complaint describes.
So, what gives? Is the FCC telling us that we can't use amateur radio for emergency operation if we have commercial radio services available as an alternative? So, what's to keep the FCC from filing a similar complaint against an ARES/RACES repeater owner alleging that the amateurs involved have cellular phones at their disposal?
I'm confused.
73,
Jim (KK5Y)
ke7mbl
09-25-2003, 05:22 PM
I just read the about these two lids using foul
lanquage on the airwaves. Myself recieved a
notice from an OO about identifying while hold-
a net and I'am not proud of it. So I will do better
the next time I hold my net. As far as these
two one warning should be enough and if it
continues confiscate thier equipment plus a
heavy dose of fine.
Having lived in a nearby community in NJ, I can verify this operation has been going on for well over 15 years. This situation has nothing to do with religion except to cloak the otherwise blatent nature of this overdue notice.
Not only is the licensee guilty of allowing unlicensed or controlled 3rd party dispatches via reverse phone patch, the ambulance service has no primary commercial communication system to supplement! The amateur repeater is operated as a private repeater & any users are promptly flushed off rudely, without comment.
This situation is further compounded by the use of 448.825 to COMPETE directly with local EMS response arriving on-scene. A highly illegal use of amateur radio & had to be witnessed before even I'd believe it. I listened to this frequency for years & it is the only use of that repeater in question. Lakewood PD has no clue where this ambulance service coordinates on-scene appearances but I'd bet they'd love to know.
This system needs to be shut down, removed from the rabinical college where it is located & the operator fined if not having his license removed. He deserves whatever he gets in the end.
This operation is clandestine in nature & intentional by design. I would also note that there was an active VEC program that needs examination as well, while they are at it. Seems to me an aweful lot of Techs appeared all of a sudden in the 90's to supplement this "service".
My only hope is Mr. Hollingsworth can put a coherant case together to remove this abusive scurge from the air...
Good intentions don't preclude the law, let them buy cellphones!
hormandj
09-25-2003, 08:11 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K8YS @ Sep. 23 2003,16:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I STAND BY WHAT I SAID, IT IS NOT A POLITICAL STATEMENT, IT IS FACT, IT IS FASHIONABLE TO BASH RELIGION. DO NOT BELIEVE ME, LISTEN TO THIS EVENING NEWS [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Having been a regular listener of the evening news for some years, I can't recall the last time any news station maligned religion as a whole. I have seen the media speak ill of people who commit crimes in the name of religion whether it be flying planes into buildings, or murdering abortion providers. Maybe you can give us an example of the media denegrating religion. Of course you would have to turn off Rush and O'Reilley first, then turn to an actual news station.
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K7DJH
AE6IP
09-25-2003, 08:37 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (hormandj @ Sep. 25 2003,13:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K8YS @ Sep. 23 2003,16:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I STAND BY WHAT I SAID, IT IS NOT A POLITICAL STATEMENT, IT IS FACT, IT IS FASHIONABLE TO BASH RELIGION. DO NOT BELIEVE ME, LISTEN TO THIS EVENING NEWS [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Having been a regular listener of the evening news for some years, I can't recall the last time any news station maligned religion as a whole. I have seen the media speak ill of people who commit crimes in the name of religion whether it be flying planes into buildings, or murdering abortion providers. Maybe you can give us an example of the media denegrating religion. Of course you would have to turn off Rush and O'Reilley first, then turn to an actual news station.
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Check out the program Mosaic on World link if your provider carries it. #I'm not sure if it qualifies as bashing a religion, or bashing an ethnic group, but the Lebon station sometimes features has definitely got a thing about "jews".
One of the things I'm proud of President Bush for is the way he's tried to separate the terrorists from the culture, race and religion. he realizes that extremists, no matter what they label themselves are not representative of the labels they claim.
K0ZZE
09-25-2003, 11:32 PM
amen!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AE6IP @ Sep. 25 2003,12:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">One of the things I'm proud of President Bush for is the way he's tried to separate the terrorists from the culture, race and religion. he realizes that extremists, no matter what they label themselves are not representative of the labels they claim.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Yes, I agree the "President" doesn't discriminate. He and his neo-con band of ideologues have managed to take out two countries and turn them both into complete hotbeds of terrorism.
Bush has not separated the culture from terrorism.His hamhanded approach has recklessly destroyed what little infrastructure Iraq and Afghanistan had .He has created a power vacuum where differing factions will be fighting each other for years. This man has read too many World War II comic books where the conquering heroes are tossed bouquets of flowers. The only things being tossed now are hand grenades killing American soldiers. Then, bush has the audacity to tell us to sacrifice so he can clean up his mess. This man bush is a complete fraud who wraps every bad decision in the flag. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
BTW, this sort of discussion runs the risk of being extensively jammed if conducted on a repeater. Many FB hams don't want to hear opinions they don't agree with.
WX7B
wp3bm
09-26-2003, 03:04 PM
Hi!
I wish I can contact my local FCC office by phone, but, the phone numbers re route me to the central office in the states, and then, a machine answers and gives no options to make a ham related complain. The local 411 won't give any other number. So, we do things the old fashion way and identify the problem makers and do house visits... Sometime works, sometimes it doesn't, but it its a shot!
73
Gabriel
k4wde
09-26-2003, 06:31 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ae1x @ Sep. 24 2003,03:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">proper behavior on air. Remember that our regulations indicate that we are a self-regulating service. We must take this to heart and police ourselves. We do not want a record of failure that will force the FCC to take action. We may not like the action they take.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Self policing can go just so far. Simple harmless behavior that breaks the rules by "peers" , people we know or others in our local group may know, can be subject to "self policing". The behavior described in the original post simply can not be self policed. Personally encountering these people in public, or especially on their property could be *FATAL*. You take your life in your own hands when you try to "police" a possibly deranged person.
Best bet is to do what was done; record the event and send a copy to Hollinsworth. Maybe we could create a clearing house for such information. Store the details and recordings and the actions or lack thereof taken by the FCC. Then in the future we could PROVE that to the best of our abilities as private citizens and amateur operators we policed ourselves by sending statistics from the clearinghouse to the FCC.
K4WDE
Walt
trooper
09-27-2003, 08:16 PM
Local OO's should be more involved in such matters. Riley is one person- I understood he put a lot of authority in his deputy OO's.
There is always a place for lids to hang out. It's the lids that branch out of their 'allocated frequency' and screw-up legit systems that cause trouble. How many of these complaints are from hams who encountered a lid frequency vs. lids that caused trouble on a 'normal' frequency?
If you had the Dept. of Health Services or the CDC conduct station inspections, 7 out of 10 hams would lose their license. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (trooper @ Sep. 27 2003,12:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">There is always a place for lids to hang out. It's the lids that branch out of their 'allocated frequency' and screw-up legit systems that cause trouble. How many of these complaints are from hams who encountered a lid frequency vs. lids that caused trouble on a 'normal' frequency?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
It really depends on what your definition of "lid" is. #One hams Lid, may be another ham's FB operator. I submit that a majority of complaints to the FCC are posed by FB operators who don't like the content of qso's or nets they may hear in passing. Most of the jamming on "normal" frequencies is the result of FB channel cops who react to every noise they hear. Especially on 40 m, the noise could be atmospherics or skip, neither of which are jamming. There is always some FB ham that has to chime in about "jamming stations". It gets old real fast.
I choose not to listen to the ideological garbage I hear on ham radio. When I speak my mind and the jamming starts, I just shut down until the idiots go away. It's very effective. I have a friend I talk to on 40 who's 90 miles away. We generally talk about nothing, work, kids, wives, et al, but sometimes the topic goes to our "president" or the local scene here in NorCal. There is jamming that starts right away, when the topic gets even remotely political. I shut down at that point and let the losers go away. Never acknowledge a jammer. That just encourages them.
My mantra is this: "Don't listen and or bitch about people you hear on the air. We have plenty of freqs available to have conversations". You are just as big of a loser if you acknowledge jamming.
WX7B
PS: Cal beats USC today! Go Bears! Victory for NorCal over SoCal!
n8zux
09-28-2003, 10:31 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w6th @ Sep. 23 2003,22:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Riley is doing what he is paid for. #You may not get an answer or response, but he has a group monitoring.
We must all try to get rid of these hard cores, wherever they came from and where they are going.
You will be reading more and more as time goes by.
If and when this is all cleaned up and a pleasure to operate the ssb, I may have a come back and give it a try.
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Well I would not expect an answer right away either, I turned in a CB operator for solicitation, also State Police has a report of that as well, I know that where I worked at 10 people were arrested non ham radio or CB radio events in a one night sting and they arrested 17 people and was on TV . all non radio related, but they were acting in a inappropiate manner.
I also was at another site where the President was threatened in a way will be left up to the US Seceret Service, I figgure thats what I pay my taxes for let the Agents or the Feds do their job and don't stir the waters, if the turkey gets arrested ok, if I am wrong oh well life goes on.
KB8EFD
09-29-2003, 05:35 AM
Back in the Cold War era, the FCC had the reputation of gestapos, and everything was a hassle. You had to have written permission, just to move your station.
Later, rules were relaxed - then enforcement was relaxed to the point where I was totally disgusted with the bands. I wasn't on HF for the better part of the '90s.
After Riley took the job, things got better. I think he does a pretty good job of balancing 'ham-handed' punishment and mercy. Thing became so much better that I jumped back into HF a year or so ago, and found the waters to be very comfortable.
Compared to what I have lived with, and lived through - I can't see where we can justify too many complaints - particularly when we consider that the FCC has been overloaded since 9/11/01. Jim AB8PX - formerly KB8EFD - Shalom & 73.
Now, if we can just get someone to police the 11-meter band-splatterers - - -
kc6nhj
10-06-2003, 02:24 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB5DPE @ Sep. 23 2003,12:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">KB9OJS,
Be patient. #Just because the FCC has not responded as yet doesn't mean that they will not respond.
Also, to bolster your complaint, tape record this childish activity and forward it to the FCC office in charge of your district. #This would make it very difficult for them not to respond if the conduct is as bad as you describe.
Above all, bear in mind that the FCC is an overburdened government agency with far too few people and far too much work. #I am sure that they would prefer to respond more quickly to this type of problem.
These kind of people get away with their trash for a while, but, I doubt if they will get away with it indefinitely.
Now, make those tapes! #Good luck,
Tom KB5DPE[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Riley Hollingsworth is a joke. I am being jammed every single time I try to operate on 2m by unlicensed individuals that have already been identified by the fcc. The local field office in cerritos cal refuses to do ANYTHING. Besides the 20 or 30 unidentified stations that jam on a daily basis, I also have the likes of Richard Burton, 4 time federal parolee, 4 times in fed prison for amateur radio. Also, Jack Gerritsen, x kg6iro caught jamming police freqs and jailed for a year. The FCC led by riley hollingsworthless does nothing. This Burton thing has been going on for over 3 years and the Gerritsen is on every damm day jamming on my local repeater. Riley won't even answer my email anymore. Hundreds of tapes have been sent in and the excuse this week is, "we don't have any money to spend on enforcement."
How would you nice hams out there like it if EVERY SINGLE TIME you keyed the mic you were jammed? There is NO enforcement west of the missisippi river. Now for my solution: I wish to hear from other hams about the fcc ignoring their complaints to join my class action suit against the fcc. Call riley today and ask if anything I said about these two unlicensed idiots being on the radio everyday and what he plans to do. 73de kc6nhj
KC5JSR
10-08-2003, 06:56 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ae1x @ Sep. 24 2003,07:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">There seems to be a misunderstanding here concerning enforcement.
You filed a complaint with documentation. This is all well and good. It presents a solid case for enforcement, but the FCC must collect its own evidence. This is done over a period of time. The OO crew can take action to assist. The FCC recognizes OO reports as official. The next step is to DF the offending stations. Just the documentation of the violations is not sufficient. These legal requirements take time and coordination. The FCC has limited resources and it takes time for them to schedule an enforcement action in a particular district.
My recommendation to you and your colleagues is to continue documenting these violations and reporting them. The lids involved will receive a notice of violation and their names and call signs will appear on the ARRL website or here on QRZ.
Concerning the Freebanders, I hope someone can provide sufficient documentation to the appropriate officials so that these scofflaws can be brought to justice. The major problem with the Citizen's Radio Service in general is that most of the violators are now mobile and are very difficult to locate and cite. The resources required just to do not exist in the FCC budgets to track down all the mobile violators.
We, the Amateur Community, need to group together to identify and persuade violators to change tactics or face peer pressure. We can be effective teachers and help to insure proper behavior on air. Remember that our regulations indicate that we are a self-regulating service. We must take this to heart and police ourselves. We do not want a record of failure that will force the FCC to take action. We may not like the action they take.
You can lend a hand in promoting good practices by joining or supporting your local Amateur Radio Club or Repeater Group. Remember there is always safety in numbers and numbers tend to get more attention than a small group of people doing their own thing.
We have the capability to police ourselves. Let's use that capability for the good of this great hobby.
Ken Stringham
AE1X:kes[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Finally, something worth reading http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
73' De KC5JSR
k6ncx
10-27-2003, 03:22 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc6nhj @ Oct. 06 2003,07:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The local field office in cerritos cal refuses to do ANYTHING. Besides the 20 or 30 unidentified stations that jam on a daily basis, I also have the likes of Richard Burton, 4 time federal parolee, 4 times in fed prison for amateur radio. Also, Jack Gerritsen, x kg6iro caught jamming police freqs and jailed for a year.The FCC led by riley hollingsworthless does nothing. T
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There is NO enforcement west of the missisippi river.
73de kc6nhj[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
You mention two people sent to jail as if that's evidence that there's no enforcement. I think there's something amiss in your logic.
Just to put things in a little different perspective, it is not always necessary to violate the FCC rules to loose your license. Remember Herb Schoembaum (I think that is how his name is spelled), I think his call sign was KV4FZ or something close. The FCC refused his renewal because of a "lack or moral Character " but not because of any specific violations of the rules. In fact, what I read, said that the FCC admitted that he had not violated any rules, but was of low moral Character and thus not qualified to have a ham license.
73 Mike K7OV