Ireland removes Morse requirment for HF

[ei6iz]

As of today 15th of September 2003 all Irish Class B (CEPT class 2) licence holders have full HF privileges.

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Full details in this press release from comreg (52K PDF file)
http://www.comreg.ie/_fileupload/publications/PR150903a.pdf

The text of which reads as follows

Removal of the compulsory requirement for an examination in Morse Code Signals for the Irish Experimenters Licence.

The Commission for Communications Regulation (ComReg) is pleased to announce #that in line with the outcome of WRC 2003 (World Radio Conference), we have removed the compulsory requirement for an examination in Morse Code Signals. As of today´s date (September 15th 2003), there is no longer a need to pass a Morse code test to operate on the High Frequency Bands as listed in Part IV Particulars of Experimenters Station 02/77R3. All Class B Licences now have Full Licence Privileges.

For further information please contact
Mr Derek C.O´Reilly
Volume Licensing & Co ordination Division
Market Framework
Commission for Communications Regulation

Phone: (+ 353 1) 804 9769
Announcement #15th September 2003

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[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif just because others walk off a cliff ( bluff ), does that mean that we should do that , too ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif Seems we are leaning towards the new age. Everyone wants something for nothing. I for one am glad I had to learn code.

[wd5kca]

Give Ireland back to the Irish.

yes the list of countries dropping the morse requirement Will countinue to GROW. CONGRAT'S TO THE IRISH. 73 de N2NZJ TOM .NCI #4936 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[kd7ota]

Code or no code, I still want to know and operate it! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

I think we should set a presidence of being different.....

How about a NO-PHONE license??

Mandatory CW for EVERYONE !!!!
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[K3ESE]

What's the difference between a bluff and a cliff?

[K4JSR]

OKAY THERE, DIT DIDIDIT DIT,
THAT WAS A REAL "BUTTE"!
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73, Cal K4JSR

[KB2SEO]

After the decision, It has been said that the government has also removed the tap handles until they sober up and rethink this. It's kinda like waking up to a ugly girl after a night of drinking...But this one you let stay the night...AGGGGGHHHH!!!! (Admit it guys, You did this once... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

.... .. .... .. .... ..

[KB2SEO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N2NZJ @ Sep. 15 2003,19:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">yes the list of countries dropping the morse requirement Will countinue to GROW. CONGRAT'S TO THE IRISH. 73 de N2NZJ TOM .NCI #4936 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Easy to see that attitude, To think you're from Jersey...Tisk Tisk

I AM GOING TO SAY THIS AS SOME OTHER'S HAVE SAID no one wants to BAN (CW) also no one wants the ELIMENATION of the CW/DATA sub bands.all we are saying per the ITU,IARU,and the growing numbers of countries is TO DROP THE MORSE CODE AS A REQUIREMENT. that is all nothing MORE.the IRISH just did it WITH NO DONNY BROOKS thats hard believe!!!!!!.sadly to note the U.S.A. will be the last to do so. SO CHEER UP HAVE BEER, http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[W4JRD]

This is great. Glad to see another country make a giant leap forward.

73,
Jamie R. Dean - W4JRD

[aa1mn]

I appreciate the fact that QRZ.com is read worldwide. I do not agrue that this is a pertinent topic related to both this board and to amateur radio in general.

What I do argue is if it is really necessary to continually add threads every time a country does away with the code requirement.

We all know the list is growing and that it will eventually be done away with worldwide but really now, this is getting a bit redundant isn't it?

AA1MN

[VA3AVP]

Well this is all fine and dandy for the Irish Ops who only had there basic but what about the up and coming Irish Ops will they have a harder exam to pass now . essay style questions no answer books ? They may end up wishing They had kept the code .

[aa1mn]

I have no doubt in my mind, VA3AVP, that the Irish would have no problem what so ever passing a difficult written exam of any kind.

The Irish are a very intelligent, literate group. Unlike Canadians ... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

AA1MN

[KC8OVO]

I agree that the code should be droped as a requirement , cw is nothing more than a mode of communication! So should we learn psk, sstv, packet, rtty, etc to become a ham too! I heard on the International Amateur Radio Network that there is a group called ( I may have this wrong) F.I.S.T. Trying to keep code requirement and get extras to take 12 wpm again! Ok does everyone remember about 20 years ago, how expensive computers cost and how expensive cell phone service was? Now look at prices and cell pricing, now they got coast to coast walkie talkie. I know as a young kid, or teenager I would have said " Hmmm morse code(to talk to people i dont know) or cell phone and messenger on computer(and I can talk to everyone I know)?" THINK ABOUT IT! Removing the code is not sugar coating anything its just rolling with the times! Something else that people say, is that removing the code will cause mayhem on the hf!! You dont need code for 6 meter and up! 2meter band never sounds like Channel 19 or 6 meter SSB never sounds like Ch 38 ssb! All you have to do for tech is written and tech bands are fine! So I think that no cw is mayhem, I dont think thats a true statement>>> I did the code , and I like CW but I dont think learning CW is going to make people good Phone operators or teach them anything about operating there radios properly! - KC8OVO

[K3ESE]

Admit that I did it once??!!! # I'll admit that I did it whenever, and wherever, I could!! This was, you understand, back, way back, in the day.

#Still enjoying the beer, though...Sierra Nevada Pale Ale seems to make it into the shopping basket most...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aa1mn @ Sep. 16 2003,05:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have no doubt in my mind, VA3AVP, that the Irish would have no problem what so ever passing a difficult written exam of any kind.

The Irish are a very intelligent, literate group. #Unlike Canadians ... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

AA1MN[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
This comment was totally uncalled for.

Every American does not share this sentiment!

73, Mike

[n4avm]

I'm a Canadian, and a new Ham living in North Carolina...I can read too :-) I just started learning Morse Code and studying for the General test. I'll do morse even if it's removed, it will always be part of Ham Radio... just maybe not for everyone.

Jerry KI4CCB

[aa1mn]

To KE4UMD and to all Canadians,

My above remark was made in kind spirited jest -- hence the "winking" icon. It was posted only because I am partly Irish myself and hold faith that the Irish are capable of rising to any challange placed before them as are most people of this world.

Canada I salute you. You are a fine country with fine people.

AA1MN

[w6th]

aa1mn
QUOTE:
My above remark was made in kind spirited jest -- hence the "winking" icon. #It was posted only because I am partly Irish myself and hold faith that the Irish are capable of rising to any challange placed before them as are most people of this world.

Canada I salute you. #You are a fine country with fine people.

AA1MN
UNQUOTE

Jeepers creepers Charles, you are two faced and speak with a forked tongue. I will never turn my back on you, you back stabber.

You should be dipped in tar and feathered and sent to the stockade.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aa1mn @ Sep. 16 2003,07:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">To KE4UMD and to all Canadians,

My above remark was made in kind spirited jest -- hence the "winking" icon. #It was posted only because I am partly Irish myself and hold faith that the Irish are capable of rising to any challange placed before them as are most people of this world.

Canada I salute you. #You are a fine country with fine people.

AA1MN[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
AA1MN:

Thank you for the clarification.

73, Mike http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[K0RGR]

At least the ethnic slurs are more entertaining than the old code vs. no-code debate.

I heard my first no-coder from the British Isles the other day. I detected no signs of mental defect or hydrophobia.

[aa1mn]

W6TH,

I am pleasantly surprised to see that you are, finally, beginning to acknowledge my GOOD points.

As to the tar and feathering, though, I will kindly defer on that for the time being ... only because the local authorities tell me it is not legal in this state -- for the time being at least as I am filing a petition to get this ruling overturned.

Chuck, AA1MN

[n0ov]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ei6iz @ Sep. 14 2003,17:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As of today 15th of September 2003 all Irish Class B (CEPT class 2) licence holders have full HF privileges.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
This is a great day for the Irish! Wonder when we're going to joint the 21st century and make morse code "optional"

[wb9gkz]

I had to take my Code Exam in front of a real FCC examiner at 13 WPM - - 32 years ago.

I think that everyone else should, too.

Tonight, I'm gonna sit in my basement hamshack...sheltered from the world. #I'm gonna have a drink of good Whiskey, hold tight to my J-38 and pound some brass by candlelight.

I'm gonna be a good Irish-American, get drunk and call in "sick" tomorrow.

Patrick William Keogh
WB9GKZ
Green Bay, Wisconsin

[n9lya]

Come on guys.. Give it a break...


Code vs no code ... There are already enough threads on this broken subject... Get a life.

[VA3AVP]

I AM CANADIAN , EH ! I never said I was the best speller in the world . However I did pass a optional 20 wpm cw test . I did study for 30 minutes a day for 3 months . I did do lots of listening on the bands . I did get on the air and use Cw and I have not stopped. #Over 1000 contacts world wide in less then a year all Cw . #WW 2 radio men telling stories of History in A CW qso . I love the thrill to me it is a huge part of Amateur radio . But hey thats just me . If they drop it thats fine . I have three CW Students now who are learning it and want to learn it even if it is not required #hats off to them . #-73- to all Peace #. David

[k5co]

Well, they are Irish, After all.

KD5PSH

[w6th]

I am neutral in this posting, because:

I am English, a protestant and an Orange Man. Don't let my name lead you apath.


Oh for the luck of an Irishman. Erin go brau.

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[N7XB]

To paraphrase King Edward "Longshanks" I (from "Bravehart"):

"The problem with Ireland is . . . it's full of Irish."


73 de Bruce N7XB
(with 17th century roots to Cork, Ireland)

[VA2VA]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif #Congratulations to the Irish!!! # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[EI9JM]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Well here is a real live Irishman......no code what about it.......more to the hobby than just bashing a key and yes I have passed the morse test......have you seen the syllabus here to past the test for the B class licence....enjoy the hobby no matter what your preference is........

slainte

William

[EI9JM]

sorry about mispellign hihi

past should be passed

william

[K2WH]

I just talked to my first no coder from Ireland. He wanted to know his RST report. I told him RST reports were an old way of reporting the readability and the purity of tone of a CW signal. I told him he was operating on SSB - a voice mode that usually requires an "S" report or signal strength. To this he replied "Well how do I operate CW". I replied that depending on the rig he was using, there should be a switch position that was labeled CW. To this he replied "What Switch" To this I replied a switch on the front panel of his TV. He replied the TV only has a remote control "Would I find the switch on that"? I pulled the plug at that time.

K2WH

[ei6iz]

I operate almost exclusively in CW but I am pleased that the CW requirement for HF access has been removed in Ireland and I think it will actually be good for the long term survival of CW as a mode of communication on the amateur bands.

Why?
Because those of us who love CW will have to do a little work to encourage people to give it a go, #show people what fun CW is and help them get started. Plenty of the newcomers into ham radio are going to continue to be interested in CW, time to do some elmering.

CW is easy to learn IF you actually want to learn it and you get some good help.
here is an excellent & Free on-line book for those wishing to learn CW
http://www.raes.ab.ca/book/contents.htm

In any case Morse test grade code (in Ireland 3 minutes of plain text followed by 9 groups of five figures and one group of 5 punctuation at 12 Wpm and more recently at 5Wpm ) does not prepare one well for on air CW use.

If you really don´t want to speak to the new HF operators it´s simple to avoid them, operate CW only and just to be on the safe side never ever slow down to work anyone who is a beginner at CW.

One real interesting thing about a lot of the code-for-ever lobby is how infrequently they can be found actually operating CW. DXSummit provides a DX spot database going back a few years, whilst it is not totally representative of operators habits it can make interesting viewing for certain calls
http://www.dxsummit.com/

[aa1mn]

Sweet mother of pearl, W6TH, you're really beginning to scare.

First you compliment me earlier in the thread and now I find out that we're both of similar descent and religious and political orientation.

What I need to know now is: If I send you a QSL card for having communicated via this forum would you be kind enough to return the favor?

More importantly, would it count as a DX contact if we did?

May the road rise with you.

Chuck, AA1MN

[w8ob]

Well there you guys, If you want to get on HF without having to pass a morse test here is the answer. Pack er up and move to Ireland. I always knew that there was a simple answer to the debate.

[NY7Q]

On 14.185 hear this guy w1 something state several times "monitoring" I throw out my call and he sez OM the frequency is BZ. Typical 2 meter, 11 meter crap. this is only the beginning.

[KB2SEO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KI4CCB @ Sep. 16 2003,07:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm a Canadian, and a new Ham living in North Carolina...I can read too :-) I just started learning Morse Code and studying for the General test. I'll do morse even if it's removed, it will always be part of Ham Radio... just maybe not for everyone.

Jerry KI4CCB[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif At least the Really Cool ones will know it, then we can make fun of the "Others........" Canadian, American or Zimbabewian...they just be the one's who can't!

Maybe Viagra will make a pill for them, Get their DAH's up Hi Hi


Hey that AA1MN was really nasty to say that about the Canadians! You guys are just like us, Heck you gave us Geddy Lee for Cryin out loud, "Spirit of Radio" Eh? tell him to "take off,hoser"

AA1MN's echos the sentiment of a
didahdidit,didah,didahdit,dahdahdit,dit didah dahdit diditdah dididit didididit didit... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[n0jaa]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N2NZJ @ Sep. 15 2003,22:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I AM GOING TO SAY THIS AS SOME OTHER'S HAVE SAID no one wants to BAN (CW) also no one wants the ELIMENATION of the CW/DATA sub bands.all we are saying per the ITU,IARU,and the growing numbers of countries is TO DROP THE MORSE CODE AS A REQUIREMENT. that is all nothing MORE.the IRISH just did it WITH NO DONNY BROOKS thats hard believe!!!!!!.sadly to note the U.S.A. will be the last to do so. SO CHEER UP HAVE BEER,[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>


Yeah, all the countries are eliminating the requirement for Morse Code, but there will still be lots of operators out there operating with it. #That, plus the various digital modes out there should make it plain that we cannot eliminate the code/digital sub bands. #Besides, we don't need to lose any more spectrum (30 meters is digital only).

Now, when they start trying to eliminate the beer requirement, well, then, we're going to have a problem there! #

Paul.


http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[w6th]

-------------There has been talk of no code for years---------

The reason is explained as of the many past posts.

Ask many who operate just cw only and no ssb and they will tell you they have been fed up with the talking power of sideband.

Fools rush in where wise men fear to go as it is a fool who will make the same mistake twice.

Congrats to the two EI stations I have had the pleasure of a cw contact with. Terrific with the old timers of a few years back, you know the 20 wpm type. #Have hopes the new cw ops can compete with the old timers.

Until then, many better stock up on the beer and ale as won't be too long before St. Patricks day.

Here is a toast of good faith:


May you #Irish live forever and us British never die.

# # # # # # # # # # # # #73, # #W6th

# # # # # # # # # # # -----------------

[K3DAV]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (NY7Q @ Sep. 16 2003,20:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">On 14.185 hear this guy w1 something state several times "monitoring" I throw out my call and he sez OM the frequency is BZ. Typical 2 meter, 11 meter crap. this is only the beginning.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
If he was on 14.185, and had a W1 something call sign, then he obviously passed a CW test to be on that frequency.

This means you are calling an amateur operator with proficiency in CW, 2 meter, and 11 meter crap.

Thank you for proving that anyone can pass a CW test, and still be an idiot. Thus proving that, learning CW hasn't got a damned thing to do with being a good operator. 75 meter AM is the perfect example of this. #I'm sure that'll get a thousand senseless replies from those CB wanna-be's. #And to think. They passed the CW test too.
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This poor horse is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooo dead, (How dead is it?)
It's so dead, there is nothing left for even the ant's to nibble on.
It's so dead, the buzzards are eating the ant's on the bones.
It's so dead, the damned bones are turning to dust.

Come on people. Bitch, whine, moan, argue, and complain all you want to. But the code requirement is going to go away, like it or not. OOOOOH NOOOO!!! We're gonna have people on HF, that don't know how to read beeps. The sky is falling. The sky is falling. Look Toto, We're not in special privilege land anymore. Hey NY7Q. There's the CRAP you mentioned. People complaining for nothing.#

To carry on this pathetic argument, every time another country joins the 21st century, is like bitching about the cancellation of "WELCOME BACK KOTTER"!!!!!!!!!

I always thought radio is supposed to be a hobby for everyone. This isn't rocket science, it's radio for cryin' out loud. Get a life, then go on with it.

[KB2SEO]

DAMN NOW KOTTER IS GONE TOO?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif?
What about Horshack? did they at least give him a spin off?

"You Bastages!" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[K3DAV]

I think he's now a Senator. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[ei6iz]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w6th @ Sep. 17 2003,04:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Congrats to the two EI stations I have had the pleasure of a cw contact with.

# # # # # # # # # # #[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

I see we worked on 29/9/02 on 30m CW. Nice to meet you again!

73
Brendan EI6IZ

[aa1mn]

KB2SEO,

Unfortunately Horshack was killed by Jason Vorhees in one of the many "Friday the 13th" sequels ... yes, sad but true.

That was the we'll ever see of actor Ron Pallilo.

AA1MN

[K3HVG]

So... the Irish have removed the code requirement for Amateur licenses. #How wonderful for them.

"One down, more to go"

Now I know what "beat the horse" means... #LOL

I never saw so many arrogance together... I am memorising some of "your" callsigns who knows, maybe "we" will get toguether on the "air" and then I migth have a chance to ask for "your" help when I cant find my radio buttons....

Live and let live....

73 de Ricardo

[kf4dew]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Glad to see them drop it. Here in the USA these people that want to keep the code STILL don't have a good reason for keeping it, and never will!!!!!!!! So they can say what they want. But they still come up short.

[n0klu]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kf4dew @ Sep. 17 2003,11:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Glad to see them drop it. Here in the USA these people that want to keep the code STILL don't have a good reason for keeping it, and never will!!!!!!!! So they can say what they want. But they still come up short.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Good for Ireland!!!
KF4DEW, You are soooo right, they never will, all they can do is cry and whine at the loss!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Good luck in all your endevors.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[kw9u]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K2WH @ Sep. 16 2003,16:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I just talked to my first no coder from Ireland. #He wanted to know his RST report. #I told him RST reports were an old way of reporting the readability and the purity of tone of a CW signal. #I told him he was operating on SSB - a voice mode that usually requires an "S" report or signal strength. #To this he replied "Well how do I operate CW". #I replied that depending on the rig he was using, there should be a switch position that was labeled CW. #To this he replied "What Switch" #To this I replied a switch on the front panel of his TV. #He replied the TV only has a remote control "Would I find the switch on that"? #I pulled the plug at that time.

K2WH[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Sometimes irony can be lost on the air, as it can happen on the internet. Myself, I would have answered the question with another question, "What transceiver", instead of getting all sarcastic. The guy sounds like he is genuinely interested in something that you are interested in. That could make for a good QSO in my book. Instead, you blew him off and passed up an opportunity to Elmer. If you lose patience during a QSO, there are many polite ways to end it... you don't have to play mind games.

[G0MZS]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w6th @ Sep. 16 2003,14:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am neutral in this posting, because:

I am English, a protestant and an Orange Man. Don't let my name lead you apath.


Oh for the luck of an Irishman. Erin go brau.

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A true Englishman would not live away from England. You are not English. I bet you have a Yank accent! Hi Hi

[kb9ojs]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K3DAV @ Sep. 17 2003,01:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (NY7Q @ Sep. 16 2003,20:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">On 14.185 hear this guy w1 something state several times "monitoring" I throw out my call and he sez OM the frequency is BZ. Typical 2 meter, 11 meter crap. this is only the beginning.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
If he was on 14.185, and had a W1 something call sign, then he obviously passed a CW test to be on that frequency.

This means you are calling an amateur operator with proficiency in CW, 2 meter, and 11 meter crap.

Thank you for proving that anyone can pass a CW test, and still be an idiot. Thus proving that, learning CW hasn't got a damned thing to do with being a good operator. 75 meter AM is the perfect example of this. #I'm sure that'll get a thousand senseless replies from those CB wanna-be's. #And to think. They passed the CW test too.
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This poor horse is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooo dead, (How dead is it?)
It's so dead, there is nothing left for even the ant's to nibble on.
It's so dead, the buzzards are eating the ant's on the bones.
It's so dead, the damned bones are turning to dust.

Come on people. Bitch, whine, moan, argue, and complain all you want to. But the code requirement is going to go away, like it or not. #OOOOOH NOOOO!!! We're gonna have people on HF, that don't know how to read beeps. The sky is falling. The sky is falling. #Look Toto, We're not in special privilege land anymore. #Hey NY7Q. There's the CRAP you mentioned. #People complaining for nothing.#

To carry on this pathetic argument, every time another country joins the 21st century, is like bitching about the cancellation of "WELCOME BACK KOTTER"!!!!!!!!!

I always thought radio is supposed to be a hobby for everyone. This isn't rocket science, it's radio for cryin' out loud. Get a life, then go on with it.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Dave,
I read this post and decided that I could not resist. I had to say something. Here we go again on my view on morse code.

1. The world is getting Lazy-Why the hell work for something if you can get it for free(Public Aid).

2. Anyone can learn the code if they TRY and PUT SOME EFFORT INTO IT- I have severe hearing loss from many severe inner ear infections, and I still passed the test. I would have been screwed at 13 or 20, but at least I took the effort to learn the code instead of griping about how it needs to be "abolished" Ham Radio here on QRZ and other forum areas.

3. Dave, you say that learning CW doesn't have anything to do with being a good operator. That may be true, but dropping the code will not make the bands any cleaner. All we will get are more poor operators. You may never understand this, but I am sure my fellow Tech+,General, Advanced and Extra class operators fully understand what I mean.

Here is a simple equation:

Idiots w/ CW + no-code idiots= more idiots

4. I am 95% sure that the code requirement will be dropped in the US shortly. I hope that when they get rid of the code, they give the no-coders the ENTIRE QUESTION POOL. I am a Extra Class VE and would gladly sit for a few hours for them to complete the tests required for their desired upgrade.

5. Two meters is getting worse and worse around here every day. I can't wait till the local idiot's go buy a old tube HF rig, put a power mike, echo, and a roger beep on it(if they can figure out how to do that), and follow me to one of the fine HF bands.

Again Dave, I just had to stop and put a reply on your post. I could not resist. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

73's to the coders and no-coders de KB9OJS

[k5co]

Heavens to Delores! What are you no-coders worried about? The anti-code crowd would not learn to read code because they had too much TV to watch. As soon as it all dies down, they will go back to their TV sets because they won't have a fundamental idea as to what it (ham radio) is all about! They will have been expecting that it was like a chat room!

KD5PSH

[K3DAV]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif0--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kb9ojs @ Sep. 17 2003,15http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif0)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"># I read this post and decided that I could not resist. I had to say something. Here we go again on my view on morse code.

1. The world is getting Lazy-Why the hell work for something if you can get it for free(Public Aid).

2. Anyone can learn the code if they TRY and PUT SOME EFFORT INTO IT- I have severe hearing loss from many severe inner ear infections, and I still passed the test. I would have been screwed at 13 or 20, but at least I took the effort to learn the code instead of griping about how it needs to be "abolished" Ham Radio here on QRZ and other forum areas.

3. Dave, you say that learning CW doesn't have anything to do with being a good operator. That may be true, but dropping the code will not make the bands any cleaner. All we will get are more poor operators. You may never understand this, but I am sure my fellow Tech+,General, Advanced and Extra class operators fully understand what I mean.

Here is a simple equation:

# #Idiots w/ CW + no-code idiots= more idiots

4. I am 95% sure that the code requirement will be dropped in the US shortly. I hope that when they get rid of the code, they give the no-coders the ENTIRE QUESTION POOL. I am a Extra Class VE and would gladly sit for a few hours for them to complete the tests required for their desired upgrade. #

5. Two meters is getting worse and worse around here every day. I can't wait till the local idiot's go buy a old tube HF rig, put a power mike, echo, and a roger beep on it(if they can figure out how to do that), and #follow me to one of the fine HF bands.

Again Dave, I just had to stop and put a reply on your post. I could not resist. <!--emo&http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

73's to the coders and no-coders de KB9OJS[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Hi John:

I really do understand where you guys are coming from.

I was a CB'er for 30 years. #And I remember back when it was a well run band. #It was fun, and filled with a lot of great operators. #Then the trucker's strike in the 1970"s got every trucker in the country thorwing a CB in their trucks, and not getting licensed. #The FCC lost control of the band, and the rest is pathetic history, as we all know.

I am a good radio operator who loves and respects radio. #I got sick of the distortion and echo mic of CB, and decide to get my ham ticket. #The difference is night and day. #I am happy again with radio. #But in my area, I have not noticed any problems with the trash getting on the bands above 6 meters. #There are a lot of great people enjoying ham radio here. #And very few of them had to learn CW.

I don't agree that the problem is laziness. #And we are not talking about (Public Aid) which many people really do need. #We are talking about CW, which nobody actually needs, but may enjoy if they choose so.

Regardless to what you believe, not everyone can learn the code. That is an absolute fact that people can argue against 'til the end of time. But it will still remain a fact. #Not everyone can do everything. #It was easy for you, because it was easy for you. #Your hearing problem didn't stop you, because you CAN still hear. #And you are one of the many fortunate people that could grasp and memorize CW. And just because I can remember the letters of -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. ./ #I could never send or recieve it fast enough to pass just 5 wpm. #If you send at 5 wpm to me, I will have the first letter figured out, as you are finishing the first word. And YES!! I have tried every method to improve my speed, but have failed. #Some people can do math problems in 5 seconds. #I need a little more time, and my fingers. #It doesn't mean I am stupid, and don't know how to do math. #Just as not being fast enough to pass a 5 wpm test, doesn't make me lazy. #Some people just don't process things in their heads, as fast as others. #That is life, and life is not always fair, but it's still a fact. #There are many things in life that we can NOT make fair. #But the issue of the CW requirement is one that we CAN make fair.

I have to agree with you about the bands getting more trash when CW is dropped, but not totally. #Before CW was dropped for a Tech license, I used to monitor 2 meters with my scanner. #I have never heard so many snobs in my life. #Then after the CW was dropped, those snobs headed for the hills of HF to avoid what they called the, "Low Life Trash". #I'm kind of glad they did, now that I have a license.

Giving the no-coders the entire question pool, makes no sense at all. #If a person studied enough to pass the 35 question test, they would pass the 200 question test. #And you would still have no-coders on HF. #And if one class has to pass 200 questions, then every class should have to pass 200 questions. #I'm sure that would piss off a lot of people. #Besides. Most of the Extra's that I hear these days, couldn't pass the 50 question test if they had to take it today.

There won't be any idiots with echo mics on any ham band. #There hasn't been any above 50 MHz yet, and there won't be any on HF either. #Those idiots on 75 meters have been using foul language, walking on each other, talking trash about someone while keying on them, to the other idiots, and CB type sound effects. #They sound like the worse CB'ers in the country. #But nobody seems to be worried about them, or doing anything to stop them. #How come they don't get a warning from the great pumkin FCC. #Yet everybody, (Including them) is trying to keep good operators from talking on HF and having fun with the hobby.

I'm beginning to think that CW is not even the issue with the complainers. #It's is just a crutch they use to keep the minorities out of the country club. What a great impression to give new operators, for becoming hams. Isn't it odd how those Generals and Extras that don't belong to the club, seem to be in favor of getting new good operators on HF. To them I say, Thank You for being understanding and open minded. #We need many more of you. #Hopefully, no-code will help solve that inbalance.

You guys have to be an optimist. #John, I think your equation has merit. But here are 2 new equations to consider.

Idiots that pass the CW test everyday = more Idiots anyway.
............................AND................... ................
General operators without CW = more good operators on HF.

Well John, I think I just pulverized that dead horse's bones back into the earth. #And there is nothing left. #Poor horsey never had a chance. #
Old Paint was doomed from the beginning. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Take care John.

[K3DAV]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD5PSH @ Sep. 17 2003,18http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Heavens to Delores! What are you no-coders worried about? The anti-code crowd would not learn to read code because they had too much TV to watch. As soon as it all dies down, they will go back to their TV sets because they won't have a fundamental idea as to what it (ham radio) is all about! They #will have been expecting that it was like a chat room!

KD5PSH[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
....too much TV to watch?
....what it (Ham Radio) is all about?
....expecting that it was like a chat room?

Did you make this stuff up by yourself, or did you get help with the big words like (IT)?

I have seen idiotic sitcoms with more intelligence than that statement.

Everyone having fun with the hobby. #That's what (IT) is all about.

CHAT ROOM? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif# Well...There just ARE no words for that idiocy.

[n9kpn]

I've got to comment on a few of these. #

Let me see. #Is a CHAT room anything like:
# # # #An Amateur Repeater
# # # #A HF net
# # # #PSK31
# # # #RTTY
# # # #BAUDOT

Seems very similar to me EXCEPT with the first two being voice modes. #
With the text modes:
Morse code you have ONE key;
The others a full alphabet of keys.


As for the Irish bashers out there, so much for showing INTERNATIONAL GOOD WILL. # #Great work guys. #Remember radio waves go everywhere; they do not care what country they are in.

For the YOU MUST KNOW CODE OR DON'T TALK TO ME crowd: #If you don't want to talk to someone that does not know code, simply DO NOT KEY THE MICROPHONE. #Dare I say stick to your keyer since you love code so much? #I find it strange that you would actually be in the voice segments to begin with. #Or do you know the code but actually want to use a microphone? #And if that is the case, how do you know if the voice on the other end knows code or not? #And what does it matter since both of you are using your VOICE!


And a reminder:

The Radio Amateur is:

CONSIDERATE....never knowingly operates in such a way as to lessen the pleasure of others.

LOYAL.... offers loyalty, encouragement, and support to other amateurs, local clubs, and the American Radio Relay League, through which Amateur Radio in the United States is represented nationally and internationally.

PROGRESSIVE... with knowledge abreast of science, a well-built and efficient station and operation above reproach.

FRIENDLY... slow and patient operating when requested; friendly advice and counsel to the beginner; kindly assistance, cooperation and consideration for the interest of others. These are the hallmarks of the amateur service.

BALANCED... radio is an avocation, never interfering with duties owed to family, job, school or community.

PATRIOTIC... station and skill always ready for service to country and community.

[ei5ja]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wb9gkz @ Sep. 16 2003,09:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I had to take my Code Exam in front of a real FCC examiner at 13 WPM - - 32 years ago.

I think that everyone else should, too.

Tonight, I'm gonna sit in my basement hamshack...sheltered from the world. #I'm gonna have a drink of good Whiskey, hold tight to my J-38 and pound some brass by candlelight.


Patrick William Keogh
WB9GKZ
Green Bay, Wisconsin[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Patrick,
# # # # #Did you know that your ancestor's (Capt Myles Keogh) horse was the last living thing standing after Little big Horn?

It's a sad day for Ireland but like you, I will continue until I am the last one standing!

73 Ed http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[ei5ja]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K2WH @ Sep. 16 2003,16:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I just talked to my first no coder from Ireland. #He wanted to know his RST report. #I told him RST reports were an old way of reporting the readability and the purity of tone of a CW signal. #I told him he was operating on SSB - a voice mode that usually requires an "S" report or signal strength. #To this he replied "Well how do I operate CW". #I replied that depending on the rig he was using, there should be a switch position that was labeled CW. #To this he replied "What Switch" #To this I replied a switch on the front panel of his TV. #He replied the TV only has a remote control "Would I find the switch on that"? #I pulled the plug at that time.

K2WH[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
You obviously do not understand Irish wit. you were being wound up and he would have kept winding you up had you not pulled the plug.

73 from a F.I.S.T.
Ed http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[w6th]

-------------------------ei5ja-----------------------------

K2WH is a SSB operator and we must expect this from the SSB individuals. #This will never happen from a CW operator.

Yes K2WH was wound up and no doubt about that, but his wit was not neglected and is read.

Bare in mind that he is a very nice chap indeed and just wanted to have some enjoyment in life, but then again it backfired.

Ham radio is a advocation and lets try to inhere the benefits.
# # # # # # # # # # # # # # #So it be.

# # # # # # # # # # # # #--------------

[W5HTW]

For a while we had TWO ham radios - one of them HF, the other VHF/CB

Now we will soon have THREE. One of them HF CW, one of them VHF-CB and one of them HF-CB. (Ok, there might be a few of the HF Hams left over, too.)

Vive la diference!

Oh, and by the way, no it is not going to take years for the FCC to get rid of the code requirement. That is wishful thinking on the part of the pro-CW guys, and whineful thinking on the part of the anti-CW guys. I'm betting it will be a done deal by April, 2004.

And I really don't care! I still have CW, I still have AM, I still have SSB, I still have RTTY. What I don't have is Echolink, IRLP, and CB. Won't affect me at all, for if I don't like what I hear on one mode and one frequency I still know how to work that big old knob on the front of the radio, and move.

The only way it will affect me is it will keep me from promoting ham radio, or trying to recruit new members, or trying to help those into this hobby whose idea is to change it. That is self-defeating, "hobbycide?" I will be actively DIScourging new recruits, and in fact, am already doing so. Now when someone sees my antenna on the truck or car and asks if it's CB, I say "yep, 10-4." And that ends the conversation.

But that isn't new. I've been doing that for several months. And, no, I'm not kidding. Why should I want to help others get in here to help tear it down more? I'll sit back and enjoy what there is of it, and not worry about what it is becoming. There's still plenty of time and place for me to operate the old, traditional way, using real rules, a knowledge of radio (not computers) and real-by-gosh-prosigns. And enough people out there doing the same thing I can find someone to talk to.

Nope. Won't affect me. I honestly don't care!

I have no personal animosity against anyone in the hobby. Well, except for those who brought CB attitudes and (so-called) operating practices to this hobby and refuse to be hams, but want to be CBers on ham bands. Well, even then, nothing really personal against individuals; just against the concept of CBers who get a ham license, but refuse to be hams.

With that, good wishes to all, on both sides.

Even the Irish, though I actually prefer Tecate beer!

73
Ed

[KC8EMH]

I'm geeked about the code being dropped... I hope the USA isn't the last to do it. My ten meter rig is all ready to go, CB channels suck, and Freeband is too risky to operate (Did you hear about the ham in trouble for selling an export?) FINALLY legal DX for us folk too dense for code (I've tried to learn it, but no luck) 73's
KC8EMH

[w6th]

-------------------------My Dollars worth---------------------

Very nice Ed W5HTW and you won't find yourself alone on any ham bands as I know for a matter of fact that we both have learned code and theory from the pro's in the business.

When looking for the better class of operators, just look me up and we will bring back the old days, the good old days.

Was not much for SSB and usually 100 % CW is my way of life and enjoyment. Won't bother me as to the happenings of ham radio as there are still plenty of us around and if others do not want to use CW that fits me fine.

I also do not admit I am a ham operator and when asked if I am a CB'er I agree and then give them my handle as they ask and tell them my handle is "LID" found on channel 2.

This a hooray for me and the heck with you proposition for the time being and as always, all good things come to an end.

Ham radio will end and then they will be picking on Bill Gates to end his MAC's and his software, both types.

# # # # # # # #The end of the world is not here as yet
# # # # # # # #Neither is ham radio of a different style.

# # # # # # # # # # # # # # #---------------

[W5AU]

The Hams in the UK are already prequalifying the
No-Coders and refuse to enter into a QSO with them
on the HF Bands...... #I would imagine this will also
spread to Ireland. #I dont really blame them. #It is
a pitiful mess.

[n0klu]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W5HTW @ Sep. 17 2003,21:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">For a while we had TWO ham radios - one of them HF, the other VHF/CB

Now we will soon have THREE. #One of them HF CW, one of them VHF-CB and one of them HF-CB. #(Ok, there might be a few of the HF Hams left over, too.) #

Vive la diference! #

Oh, and by the way, no it is not going to take years for the FCC to get rid of the code requirement. #That is wishful thinking on the part of the pro-CW guys, and whineful thinking on the part of the anti-CW guys. #I'm betting it will be a done deal by April, 2004. #

And I really don't care! #I still have CW, I still have AM, I still have SSB, I still have RTTY. #What I don't have is Echolink, IRLP, and CB. #Won't affect me at all, for if I don't like what I hear on one mode and one frequency I still know how to work that big old knob on the front of the radio, and move. #

The only way it will affect me is it will keep me from promoting ham radio, or trying to recruit new members, or trying to help those into this hobby whose idea is to change it. #That is self-defeating, "hobbycide?" #I will be actively DIScourging new recruits, and in fact, am already doing so. #Now when someone sees my antenna on the truck or car and asks if it's CB, I say "yep, 10-4." # And that ends the conversation. #

But that isn't new. #I've been doing that for several months. #And, no, I'm not kidding. #Why should I want to help others get in here to help tear it down more? #I'll sit back and enjoy what there is of it, and not worry about what it is becoming. #There's still plenty of time and place for me to operate the old, traditional way, using real rules, a knowledge of radio (not computers) and real-by-gosh-prosigns. #And enough people out there doing the same thing I can find someone to talk to. #

Nope. #Won't affect me. #I honestly don't care!

I have no personal animosity against anyone in the hobby. #Well, except for those who brought CB attitudes and (so-called) operating practices to this hobby and refuse to be hams, but want to be CBers on ham bands. #Well, even then, nothing really personal against individuals; just against the concept of CBers who get a ham license, but refuse to be hams.

With that, good wishes to all, on both sides. #

Even the Irish, though I actually prefer Tecate beer!

73
Ed[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I think I am beginning to see....... Some of the current Generals and Some of the Extras
feel that the VHF was "given" to the "CB'er" and now with the code possibly being dropped they think that it will be HF-CB land....hummmmm. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

Ok I guess I see the reason for thier paranoia. I don't agree with that assessment, but I see the reasoning. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

All I can say is since they left the VHF and will now have to leave HF all the places that are left to "HIDE" is in the CW/Digital mode sections of the bands......

This could actually be a good thing. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Here in Central Missouri I haven't heard anyone acting stupid or even remotely like CB on the 2m and 70cm or even on the 6m repeaters in fact we get compliments on the Rolla repeater for being one of central Missouri's most friendly repeaters... we like to talk to strangers who are passing buy along I-44. Unlike most who will silently listen to someone without answering because they aren't part of "thier" club. But thats thier loss, and privelege.

I have no anomosity for those who love the code, and wish them good CW contacts. But for those who love to antagonize the rest of us...Thers always the CW/Digital prtions to go to, to keep from hearing us when they drop the code requirement. Good luck in all your endevors.

PS. I will be encouraging more good people to join the ranks of Ham Operators even if you don't. I did not start this war to rid the code but after so many did the "you bunch of CBers and lowlife trash" statements, I joined the ranks to eliminate the code!

All I can say is it was the bad mouthed ones that got me to change my mind! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[w6th]

--------------------------N0KLU-------------------------------

----------------------- Nice tie--------------------------------

# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #( .. # # .. )
# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #V
# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ---

# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #73

[kb9num]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W5AU @ Sep. 17 2003,20:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Hams in the UK are already prequalifying the
No-Coders and refuse to enter into a QSO with them
on the HF Bands...... I would imagine this will also
spread to Ireland. I dont really blame them. It is
a pitiful mess.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I encourage those who wish to do so to go ahead. No one needs the frustration of having an unpleasant QSO. And with all the attitude some of you are showing toward new hams you guarantee an unpleasant QSO.

Funny thing though, I heard the same thing a few years ago when CW testing requirements dropped, and that seemed to fizzle. So did the "movement " for all VEs to fail all applicants taking element 1. One of those who was vocal against the change told me the other day that he is happy to have new folks to talk to.

Another veteran tells me the same wrangle that is going on now happened when SSB started to gain favor. The hobby evolves and traditionalists don't like it. The hobby survives and eventually thrives in a different form.

[KG6QFU]

Lets face the future but don't forget to lôôk at the past, morse code is still the original one. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
73 to all.

WA6POT

[EI7JK]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">W5AU - The Hams in the UK are already prequalifying the
No-Coders and refuse to enter into a QSO with them
on the HF Bands...... #I would imagine this will also
spread to Ireland. #I dont really blame them. #It is
a pitiful mess. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

What the hell makes you think that??? #We talk to you guys don't we!!!!

[N0TTW]

To all the folks on this and other threads dealing with the code,

My wife has been reading some of these posts and other threads on the code/no-code debates. She's a non-technical person by nature. She enjoys watching what I do when I make a contact on HF, either by voice, digital or CW. Especially when they’re overseas. These code/no-code debates have had her wondering if it's as hard as the no-coders have said. So she asked me to write this and post this on several threads.

She feels, after watching me do CW and hearing how fast 5 WPM sounds, that she can pass the 5 WPM..... By Oct 25th, 2003 (next testing session). That's only a little more than a month away. Too top it off, she wants to get her General as well. She also wants to challenge those, who don't have the code, to see if you can beat her before she passes.

She sounds very determine, but she always loves a challenge.

By the way, let me thank those who debated this issue. It did something I couldn't do, convince my wife to become a Amateur Radio Operator. It kinda shocked me that she ask me to teach her the code and the theory. And I will!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

I plan to start a website here soon to show how she is progressing. I'll post the link on my profile here on QRZ. The link will be up in a week for those who are interested.

I think her challenge is a good challenge to those who are against the code. If she can pass it, there will be no excuse for those who say they can't. And those are the ones who are against it the most.

Chris N0TTW

[w5ux]

N0ttW. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
She can do it.

[kn6z]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (amnman @ Sep. 18 2003,10:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">By the way, let me thank those who debated this issue. It did something I couldn't do, convince my wife to become a Amateur Radio Operator.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Now how about THAT?! #This "divisive (as some would have it)" debate has born POSITIVE fruit. #It has attracted the attention of a badly needed, prospective, young new ham to our ranks. #Happily, all the ugliness and name-calling didn't drive her away. #Congrats and best of luck to you!

[ei5ja]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kd4amg @ Sep. 15 2003,19:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif just because others walk off a cliff ( bluff ), does that mean that we should do that , too ? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
A bluff is when you sell the cliff a dummy. hi

[ei5ja]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB2SEO @ Sep. 15 2003,21:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">After the decision, It has been said that the government has also removed the tap handles until they sober up and rethink this.... .. .... .. .... ..[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Not before they tap usd for the tax on them!

[ei5ja]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (VA3AVP @ Sep. 16 2003,05:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well this is all fine and dandy for the Irish Ops who only had there basic but what about the up and coming Irish Ops will they have a harder exam to pass now . essay style questions no answer books ? They may end up wishing They had kept the code .[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
We never did have multiple choice questions. It was always an 'essay' type exam.
head up, its not hte end of the world. just the end of hard graft.
The code will stay whether or which.

73, fists, and gud dx.
Ed
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[ei5ja]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD5PSH @ Sep. 16 2003,12:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well, they are Irish, After all.

KD5PSH[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Watch your back. There are 45 million of us over there! (you are included in that)

[KH2D]

Glad to see them drop it. Here in the USA these people that want to keep the code STILL don't have a good reason for keeping it, and never will!!!!!!!!

There are no good reasons for keeping the code.

There are no good reasons for getting rid of the code.

There never have been.......

The only good thing about the code anymore is that it gives "hams" something to argue about, and it keeps us divided into two groups......

73, Jim KH2D

[ei5ja]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KH2D @ Sep. 18 2003,18:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Glad to see them drop it. Here in the USA these people that want to keep the code STILL don't have a good reason for keeping it, and never will!!!!!!!!

There are no good reasons for keeping the code.

There are no good reasons for getting rid of the code.

There never have been.......

The only good thing about the code anymore is that it gives "hams" something to argue about, and it keeps us divided into two groups......

73, Jim KH2D[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
what are we going to fight about now, since the old horse is soon to be buried. I hope someone comes up with something enteresting¬¬

73 Ed http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif ( http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif )

[AE6IP]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ei5ja @ Sep. 17 2003,17http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">

Patrick,
# # # # #Did you know that your ancestor's (Capt Myles Keogh) horse was the last living thing standing after Little big Horn?

It's a sad day for Ireland but like you, I will continue until I am the last one standing!

73 Ed <!--emo&http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

last living thing standing? I think, perhaps, that Crazy Horse might disagree with that assessment.

[kb9ojs]

K3DAV:
I read your reply to my post and I thought it was good "bathroom reading material". I am tired of explaining to you why the code does not need to be dropped. Just because you may make a "good" operator does not mean every body else will too. YOU CAN PASS THE CODE DAVE! There is no reason that 5WPM is beyond anybodys learning ability. It just takes some time and effort. If you dont't want (or can't?) learn the code, you are just cheating yourself from expanding your horizons on ham radio. It is you who controls your destiny in this hobby.

The truth hurt's, but oh well.

kb9ojs

[n9kpn]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AE6IP @ Sep. 18 2003,19:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ei5ja @ Sep. 17 2003,17http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">

Patrick,
# # # # #Did you know that your ancestor's (Capt Myles Keogh) horse was the last living thing standing after Little big Horn?

It's a sad day for Ireland but like you, I will continue until I am the last one standing!

73 Ed <!--emo&http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

last living thing standing? I think, perhaps, that Crazy Horse might disagree with that assessment.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>



And what about all of the Native Americans? #I thought quite a few of them survived as well.

[AE6IP]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (n9kpn @ Sep. 18 2003,21:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AE6IP @ Sep. 18 2003,19:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ei5ja @ Sep. 17 2003,17http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">

Patrick,
# # # # #Did you know that your ancestor's (Capt Myles Keogh) horse was the last living thing standing after Little big Horn?

It's a sad day for Ireland but like you, I will continue until I am the last one standing!

73 Ed <!--emo&http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

last living thing standing? I think, perhaps, that Crazy Horse might disagree with that assessment.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>



And what about all of the Native Americans? #I thought quite a few of them survived as well.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Most of them did, apparently. It was a pretty impressive rout.

[ki4apd]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif everyone be happy and learn code.... don`t be afraid of it. you`ll never know when you`ll need it

[KC2KFC]

While we're on the subject of horses. Will this poor code vs no code horse ever die? Or should be just continue to beat the poor thing.

[aa1mn]

KI4APD,

No one needs code that's why it's being discontinued by all the civilized nations of the world. Unfortunately, it seems that the United States is gonna be the last country in the world to actually admit this.

Let's hope the U.S. wakes up, and wakes up fast, and drops the code requirement sooner than later.

AA1MN

[AE6IP]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC2KFC @ Sep. 19 2003,11:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">While we're on the subject of horses. Will this poor code vs no code horse ever die? Or should be just continue to beat the poor thing.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
it strikes me more as trying to kick a dead whale down the beach. but it passes the time until the FCC decides whether or not to drop element 1.

[AE6IP]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aa1mn @ Sep. 19 2003,12:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">KI4APD,

No one needs code that's why it's being discontinued by all the civilized nations of the world. #Unfortunately, it seems that the United States is gonna be the last country in the world to actually admit this.

Let's hope the U.S. wakes up, and wakes up fast, and drops the code requirement sooner than later.

AA1MN[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
It's not Morse code that's being removed. Morse/CW is still a useful mode, and should be protected for those who enjoy it.

It's Morse code testing that's being removed by other countries and debated in the US.

being able to copy cw is the difference between being a radio operator and a CB'er http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KA8CFC]

There is so much controversy over Morse code that it appears to almost be a religion. Most of the flamers fall into the CODE GOOD, YOU LEARN! and the CODE BAD, ME NO LEARN! groups.

Personally as long as there is airspace to use it, those who like Morse code should be happy, and continue enjoying their mode. It isn't as if there aren't people for them to talk to.

The same goes for the non-code groups. Use the mode you like. Enjoy it.

And the code afidicados, guess what? If you like code and stick to it, and don't like the non-coders you don't have to talk to them. ( They don't understand all those strange twiddling sounds anyhow. )

Then consider this. If the code is dropped from testing you might even have better luck converting some of the non-code people who are no longer seeing it as a barrier to HF.

Historically Morse code has had one advantage for ham radio testing. It is a specialized skill that most people would not walk in from the street knowing. The major thing this tested was a willingness for comittment. But wait, if you had no knowlege of electronics and you sat down and studied hard for your Amateur Radio exam wouldn't that mean the same thing?

Electronics is electronics but is it ham radio. Is Morse code ham radio? Amateur radio requires a set of skills to pass the test. But how is a test of skill going to gauge the personality of the person taking the test?

Loosing Morse code is not going to dumb down amateur radio testing if the testing is done right.

The dumbing down concept has been around since oral history was first committed to writing. ( WHat is this new crap? Writing? Why I 've learned the tribe history for 10 generations. Having it written down for these kids won't make them use their minds. )

Consider this. Has the calculator really dummed down people over the slide rule? Not really, if you don't know what you are doing with the tool, you it won't work for you anyhow.

I would like to think that there are more good would-be hams being blocked or overawed by morse code than there are bad would-be hams who got past it anyhow.

Of course I may be a bit optimistic, but I feel the more people who share our hobby, the better a chance we have for others to understand it.

I learned my little 5WPM. I am not anti-code. I just want the fanatical pro-code people to think about their arguements for a minute. There are some good reasons to keep morse code, but the "I had to do it." doesn't really fly. Consider this: How many of you who run computers know FORTRAN? It is still in use. I learned it? Why shouldn't you? (hi, hi )

73, Bob KA8CFC

[aa1mn]

AE6IP,

Okay, poor wording on my part. I'll state things more to the point.

No one "needs" code that's why the Morse/CW testing requirement is being abolished by the civilized world and, hopefully, the United States will not be the last nation to be the one to rid itself of the the testing requirement.

In today's technological plethora of cell and satellite phones it is impossible, for all intents and purposes, for anyone anywhere on the face of this earth to ever be in a situation where morse code will be the last resort of communications.

My apologies for any confusion caused on my part for not being more specific the first time as I thought it was self-explanatory that I was refering to the code requirement being done away with and not code itself ... me thinkst that CW will be used many years into the future as there will always be those perpetuating this art form.

AA1MN

[K3DAV]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kb9ojs @ Sep. 19 2003,00:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">K3DAV:
# # I read your reply to my post and I thought it was good "bathroom reading material". I am tired of explaining to you why the code does not need to be dropped. Just because you may make a "good" operator does not mean every body else will too. YOU CAN PASS THE CODE DAVE! There is no reason that 5WPM is beyond anybodys learning ability. It just takes some time and effort. If you dont't want (or can't?) learn the code, you are just cheating yourself from expanding your horizons on ham radio. It is you who controls your destiny in this hobby.

The truth hurt's, but oh well.

kb9ojs[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
John:

I expected a remark like "Bathroom Reading". #And I am sick and tired of trying to explain why it is not produtive to amateur radio, to keep the requirement. #I AM one of the many good operators that will be on HF when the requirement is dropped. #The idiots that are already on the HF bands that have PASSED the CW test, are enough proof that the code requirement has no meaning anymore. #NO I CAN'T PASS THE 5 WPM TEST. PERIOD. I'm sorry you, and so many others in the country club, can't except the truth about that. #I have tried many times. #I'm not cheating my self from expanding my horizons. #I'm being blocked from it by an outdated requirement, that the rest of the world is finally waking up to. #I just can't get over how you people are so blind to that fact.

Replies like yours throughtout these threads have convinced me even more, that dropping the CW requirement is not really the issue at all, and most probably never was. #You guys are just using it as a crutch to keep the minorities out of what you think is your private little country club. #And only those who conform to your personal views will be allowed to join.

I have read a post from my area that said, "...the 2 and 6 meter bands around here have become over ridden with CB trash since the requirement was dropped for a Tech license." #I have news for you. THEY WERE BULL SHI**ING BIG TIME. Unlike 75 meters,#2 and 6 meters are well run bands around here. #There is nobody acting like CB'ers, there are no echo mics, there are no sound effects noise makers, there is no foul mouths, and everybody is using the proper amateur radio terms.

Last night, coders and no-coders worked side by side on the Hurricane watch Nets to help in the area. Coders and no-coders belong to the same amateur clubs and help each other to better themselves and the hobby. That's what amateur radio is supposed to be all about! Many of the coders in the local clubs, think you guys are just being selfish little cry babies. #And they're right. But the arrogance of those like you, are just using that same old BS argument, to make an obviously false point, to try and protect the country club, and your own points of view. That is mearly because, one tracked egos, just can't accecpt the fact that they just might be wrong. So this stupid pointless argument continues on and on and on and on and on............

There are times when I almost hope the CW requirement stays forever. #If this pathetic attitude is any example of what HF has to offer, then I am ashamed of my amateur bretheren, and I'm not so sure that I want to become a general class operator. This pointless issue has divided us, at a time we should be working together for the hobby, and not our personal views. #At least the people above 50 MHz treat everyone (Code and No-Coders) like equal human beings. #You act like we are some outcast's, sent to a corner of your kingdom, and you are pondering the idea of wheather we should have the freedom to walk on your land. You guys are the perfect example of what an amateur operator should NEVER become. Selfish and arrogant. That is what will cause the dimise off amateur radio, and not the CW issue.

I'll say it one last time. #Radio is not a kingdom to be ruled or conquered. #It's a hobby to be enjoyed by everyone. And one very stupid and very outdated requirement should not be used to block good people from doing just that. ENJOYING IT. #And some day, when the old timers are gone, and the bands start to get a little empty, the FCC will kick your butts of off them, to use them for becons. #Imagine that!! #You will then have no choice but to move up the dial, and share the bands with the "CB TRASH" AAAAWWWWWWWW. #Won't that be just peachy? Arrogance invading VHF. #Maybe we should come up with a stupid test to keep YOU out. A taste of your own medicine.

Can we let this poor horse rest in peace now, or will the bruised egos be forced to keep trying to kill it a little more?

[kb9ojs]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K3DAV @ Sep. 19 2003,18:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kb9ojs @ Sep. 19 2003,00:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">K3DAV:
# # I read your reply to my post and I thought it was good "bathroom reading material". I am tired of explaining to you why the code does not need to be dropped. Just because you may make a "good" operator does not mean every body else will too. YOU CAN PASS THE CODE DAVE! There is no reason that 5WPM is beyond anybodys learning ability. It just takes some time and effort. If you dont't want (or can't?) learn the code, you are just cheating yourself from expanding your horizons on ham radio. It is you who controls your destiny in this hobby.

The truth hurt's, but oh well.

kb9ojs[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
John:

I expected a remark like "Bathroom Reading". #And I am sick and tired of trying to explain why it is not produtive to amateur radio, to keep the requirement. #I AM one of the many good operators that will be on HF when the requirement is dropped. #The idiots that are already on the HF bands that have PASSED the CW test, are enough proof that the code requirement has no meaning anymore. #NO I CAN'T PASS THE 5 WPM TEST. PERIOD. I'm sorry you, and so many others in the country club, can't except the truth about that. #I have tried many times. #I'm not cheating my self from expanding my horizons. #I'm being blocked from it by an outdated requirement, that the rest of the world is finally waking up to. #I just can't get over how you people are so blind to that fact.

Replies like yours throughtout these threads have convinced me even more, that dropping the CW requirement is not really the issue at all, and most probably never was. #You guys are just using it as a crutch to keep the minorities out of what you think is your private little country club. #And only those who conform to your personal views will be allowed to join.

I have read a post from my area that said, "...the 2 and 6 meter bands have become over ridden with CB trash since the requirement was dropped for a Tech license." #I have news for you. THEY WERE BULL SHI**ING BIG TIME. #2 and 6 meters is a well run band around here. There is nobody acting like CB'ers, there are no echo mics, there is no foul mouths, and everybody is using the proper amateur radio terms. They,(The B'S'ers) like you, ARE just using that BS argument, to make a false point to protect the club, and your own points of view. That is mearly because, one tracked egos, just can't accecpt the fact that they just might be wrong. So this stupid pointless argument continues on and on and on and on and on............

There are times when I almost hope the CW requirement stays forever. #If this pathetic attitude is any example of what HF has to offer, I'm not so sure that I want to become a general class operator. #At least the people above 50 MHz treat everyone (Code and No-Coders) like equal human beings. #You act like we are your slaves, and you are pondering the idea of wheather we should have the freedom to walk on your land. You guys are the perfect example of what an amateur operator should NEVER become. Selfish and arrogant.

I'll say it one last time. #Radio is not a kingdom to be ruled or conquered. #It's a hobby to be enjoyed by everyone. And one very stupid and very outdated requirement should not be used to block good people from doing just that. ENJOYING IT. #And some day, when the old timers are gone, and the bands start to get a little empty, the FCC will kick your butts of off them, for another use of them. #Imagine that!! #You will then have no choice but to move up the dial, and share the bands with the "CB TRASH" AAAAWWWWWWWW. #Won't that be just peachy?

Can we let this poor horse rest in peace now, or will the bruised egos be forced to keep trying to kill it a little more?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Dave,
Thank you for sending me more "bathroom reading material". I got a good laugh out of it. I am sorry to say this, but the great Jim White who was a great broadcaster on KMOX radio in St. Louis said "you can't fix stupid". I guess it is true in your case. Oh well, what do you expect from a 30 year CBer. Dave, if you are "so sure" that there is "trash" on HF, Please e-mail me the frequencies and times you have heard this. Don't send me an approximation, send me exact days, frequencies, and times. Give me some examples. All I can tell ya is that the "idiots" at least had the brains to study and pass the code and the written tests. I am sure that most of your views on this issue are becasue of the fact that you are a no-coder. And if code is "outdated", why are hams still using it today? YOU HAVE A WHINE AND CRY ATITTUDE!!!!! I have heard the crap on 2 meters and I can tell you it is bad. At times, it becomes so bad that I just turn the radio off. And if anyone is a BSer, it is you. You are so full of it. I could probably smell you from 10 miles away. Sometimes you hope the code stays forever, eh? So you don't want to upgrade? Well guess what? I AM NOT CRYING OVER IT! I could care less if you upgrade or not. And another thing, IF THE CODE REQUIREMENT IS STUPID, WHY HAVE WE BEEN USING IT FOR SO MANY YEARS? When all the OM's die, I will talk to the no-code HFer's, but not you.

The truth hurts, doesn't it Dave?

Remeber Dave, YOU CHOOSE TO REPLY TO ME ON THIS ISSUE!


I hope you quit crying and learn the code,
KB9OJS

[kg3q]

[what ever happend to the fighting irish?are there any countries who are going to keep cw as a requirment?im going up in the phone portion of the hf bands and call cq and drive every one bannans,i agree with the other gentleman, we need more phone free bands like 30mhz,
# # # # # every thing in this civilized wold that once was worth fighting for is slowly being eroded away by the left wing liberal fringe groups,wake up folks the constitution itself is under attack,the welfare attitude has invaded our hobby.cw,forever.--.../...--/ -.-/--./...--/--.-/ .-../---/..-/ http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

kb9ojs,

wah wah wah I can't do this so hand it to me for free... I can't and I won't!!!! I'm going to stomp my feet and hold my breath till I turn blue if you don't give me a HF ticket...

Wah wah wah, cry moan and whine....

That's just what you sound like kb9ojs... Now with you no-coders sounding like that, why should anyone believe you would be a good operator?? Get your freebies at walmart and leave serious business to those of us who can perform without crying and whining...

[K3DAV]

KB9OJS:

Amateurs everywhere. #Notice the arrogance, the nonsense, and let's not forget, the misquoting. I still find it amazing how you country club guys have taught yourselves to only see the words you want to see. If you find you have to quote me to be pointless, at least quote correctly.

I never said that CW was outdated. It never will be. #I said the REQUIREMENT was outdated.

As for the rest of the stupidity, it speaks for itself. #

I rest my case.
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NJ1K:
"Now with you no-coders sounding like that, why should anyone believe you would be a good operator?? #Get your freebies at walmart and leave serious business to those of us who can perform without crying and whining... "

It's not crying and whining, #It's just an automatic defense of what we feel is right. #Just like what everyone else is doing.

[n0klu]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K3DAV @ Sep. 19 2003,21:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">KB9OJS:

Amateurs everywhere. #Notice the arrogance, the nonsense, and let's not forget, the misquoting. I still find it amazing how you country club guys have taught yourselves to only see the words you want to see. #If you find you have to quote me to be pointless, at least quote correctly.

I never said that CW was outdated. It never will be. #I said the REQUIREMENT was outdated.

As for the rest of the stupidity, it speaks for itself. #

I rest my case.
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NJ1K:
"Now with you no-coders sounding like that, why should anyone believe you would be a good operator?? #Get your freebies at walmart and leave serious business to those of us who can perform without crying and whining... "

It's not crying and whining, #It's just an automatic defense of what we feel is right. #Just like what everyone else is doing.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Fear not my friends my No QSL list is 60 strong and growing of all the A@# H&^%S that have said nasty things to the No-Code folks I may publish the list of Trolls and POOR QUALITY "Know-Coders" that have bad mouthed us so whenever #we hear them we can tune to another frequency. I really hope that I hear one of those Jerks call for S.O.S. I'll remind them of the Jerks they really are and tell them to spin the dial down to the CW/Digital portion and call for help with their key, and hope they die slowly and painfully....If I see them personnally, I'll do it to them myself! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #With Joy!! I'm one person you should have not pissed off! Bad mouth away Nerds.

If the shoe fits wear it!!



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[kb9ojs]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K3DAV @ Sep. 19 2003,19:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">KB9OJS:

Amateurs everywhere. #Notice the arrogance, the nonsense, and let's not forget, the misquoting. I still find it amazing how you country club guys have taught yourselves to only see the words you want to see. #If you find you have to quote me to be pointless, at least quote correctly.

I never said that CW was outdated. It never will be. #I said the REQUIREMENT was outdated.

As for the rest of the stupidity, it speaks for itself. #

I rest my case.
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NJ1K:
"Now with you no-coders sounding like that, why should anyone believe you would be a good operator?? #Get your freebies at walmart and leave serious business to those of us who can perform without crying and whining... "

It's not crying and whining, #It's just an automatic defense of what we feel is right. #Just like what everyone else is doing.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The hell with ya dude, I don't care. Whatever floats your boat.

KB9OJS AMATEUR EXTRA

[kb9ojs]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[WB9IFK]

Dear Sirs,

I think this code no code debate is stupid it makes us sound like a bunch of 3 year olds. If I were to show thse posts to my wife she would lol.
If I were the FCC I would take away all Ham Bands and sell them to highest bidder. There is plenty of comercial users that would love to have "our spectrum".
I think it is time to grow up and get on with making Ham Radio the fun and exciting "HOBBY" it can and is, with code or without code!!!!!!
By the way WB9IFK is my original license that got 30 years ago as a Tech. I was a tech until 1987 when I got my Advanced ticket. I am now an Extra. I also held a 1st Radio comercial lic. for as long as I have held my Ham ticket.
Rich Johnson
WB9IFK

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wd5kca @ Sep. 15 2003,19:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Give Ireland back to the Irish.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
they already own it!
their governmant probably made the decision in a drunken stupor har har!!

W5HTW.....
Hey you are the first one, except for me, I have heard refer to the 2 meter band as vhf cb!! You should hear how many cbers on 2 meters have shunned me here in the big apple for using that terminology....har har.(what few are left after upgrading) I think W5YI should include a list of the 10 codes in his license manuals for future reference so we can all figure out what they are talking about. Where is the skip talk channel on 2http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
breakity broke 10-4 ...why should i make the REF indication on my swr bridge be high as possible??..
gotta get the slider and the beep box hooked up...all them big numbers to you....3sssssss....(all heard on 2 meters and the jerks who operate on 28.305 lsb)

[KD5WBJ]

I would consider it an honor to be on No Clue's list!!
Mike

[N8UZE]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kd7ota @ Sep. 15 2003,21:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Code or no code, I still want to know and operate it! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Good for you. If you ever need help, encouragement, or advice, feel free to email me.

[N8UZE]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K3DAV @ Sep. 17 2003,03:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (NY7Q @ Sep. 16 2003,20:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">On 14.185 hear this guy w1 something state several times "monitoring" I throw out my call and he sez OM the frequency is BZ. Typical 2 meter, 11 meter crap. this is only the beginning.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
If he was on 14.185, and had a W1 something call sign, then he obviously passed a CW test to be on that frequency.

This means you are calling an amateur operator with proficiency in CW, 2 meter, and 11 meter crap.

....

I always thought radio is supposed to be a hobby for everyone. This isn't rocket science, it's radio for cryin' out loud. Get a life, then go on with it.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
W1 does not necessarily mean an oldtimer who passed code. Ever hear of VANITY calls?

By the radio, radio isn't just a hobby. It is a privilege that we could lose at any time if the government decides it isn't worth allowing us to continue to use the spectrum. Don't say it can't happen. The original US regulations for the radio spectrum were designed to specifically eliminate amateurs from radio without outright banning them. We were relegated to frequencies, that at the time, were considered useless. However hams proved otherwise and developed the techniques and equipment to show the magic of shortwave. Amateur raido was completely shutdown during World War I and it took considerable effort on the part of the amateurs to get the government to allow the amateurs back on the air afterwards. You may say this is ancient history. However within the last decade, we have lost part of the 1.25 meter band to commercial interests.

Those who keep spouting the argument "it's just a hobby" have no conception of the work that must be done to keep our amateur radio privileges intact.

[KC7ATO]

"ERIN GO BRAUGH/NO-CODE"

Ya gotta love those beer swilling religious bigots in Ireland. Even though they all hate each others guts they had the good sense to dump the code. Makes you wonder how long it will take us to do it to.

[ei5ja]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC7ATO @ Sep. 20 2003,09:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"ERIN GO BRAUGH/NO-CODE"

Ya gotta love those beer swilling religious bigots in Ireland. Even though they all hate each others guts[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
What kindergarten do you go to??

[ei5ja]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (n9kpn @ Sep. 18 2003,21:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AE6IP @ Sep. 18 2003,19:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ei5ja @ Sep. 17 2003,17http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">

Patrick,
# # # # #Did you know that your ancestor's (Capt Myles Keogh) horse was the last living thing standing after Little big Horn?

It's a sad day for Ireland but like you, I will continue until I am the last one standing!

73 Ed [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

last living thing standing? I think, perhaps, that Crazy Horse might disagree with that assessment.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>



And what about all of the Native Americans? #I thought quite a few of them survived as well.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Now now, lads. Have a titter of wit. I was referring top the Seventh Cavalry of course. The Victors had already left to prepare for the next skirmish!

73 Ed

[n0klu]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD5WBJ @ Sep. 20 2003,08:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I would consider it an honor to be on No Clue's list!!
Mike[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Don't worry you are number 24 of 60!

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[AE6IP]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ei5ja @ Sep. 20 2003,11:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">
Now now, lads. Have a titter of wit. I was referring top the Seventh Cavalry of course. The Victors had already left to prepare for the next skirmish
73 Ed[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

As long as we're talking wit; here's a question for you: since none of the U.S. Cavalry survived, and the native americans would have taken any surviving horse, how, precisely, does anyone know how many of the Army's horses survived and who they were ridden by?
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

Meanwhile, this site (http://www.cr.nps.gov/mwac/libi/) is a good starting point for finding out the contemporary understanding of the battle.

[K3DAV]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N8UZE @ Sep. 20 2003,10:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K3DAV @ Sep. 17 2003,03http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (NY7Q @ Sep. 16 2003,20:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">On 14.185 hear this guy w1 something state several times "monitoring" I throw out my call and he sez OM the frequency is BZ. Typical 2 meter, 11 meter crap. this is only the beginning.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
If he was on 14.185, and had a W1 something call sign, then he obviously passed a CW test to be on that frequency.

This means you are calling an amateur operator with proficiency in CW, 2 meter, and 11 meter crap.

....

I always thought radio is supposed to be a hobby for everyone. This isn't rocket science, it's radio for cryin' out loud. Get a life, then go on with it.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
W1 does not necessarily mean an oldtimer who passed code. #Ever hear of VANITY calls?

By the radio, radio isn't just a hobby. #It is a privilege that we could lose at any time if the government decides it isn't worth allowing us to continue to use the spectrum. #Don't say it can't happen. #The original US regulations for the radio spectrum were designed to specifically eliminate amateurs from radio without outright banning them. #We were relegated to frequencies, that at the time, were considered useless. #However hams proved otherwise and developed the techniques and equipment to show the magic of shortwave. #Amateur raido was completely shutdown during World War I and it took considerable effort on the part of the amateurs to get the government to allow the amateurs back on the air afterwards. #You may say this is ancient history. #However within the last decade, we have lost part of the 1.25 meter band to commercial interests.

Those who keep spouting the argument "it's just a hobby" have no conception of the work that must be done to keep our amateur radio privileges intact.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Hi DEE:

Yes I know what vanity calls are. My own calls are vanity calls. So it could very well be a vanity call. And I never said it was an old timer.#But if he's a "W" any number, he is from the U.S. #And if he was on frequency 14.185, (20 meters), then he must be a general or higher class with CW. #So NY7Q was still proving my point that he was judging an operator on HF with CW, to be 11 & 2 meter crap.

You are also very correct in saying that amateur radio is also a privilege. And it should always be an equal privilege for everyone to enjoy and respect. It's another reason why we should stop the pointless "code/no-code" argument. It just feeds the FCC with the fuel they need to call amateurs, irresponsable, and grab our frequencies away. And if 75 meters continues the way it is, then the FCC already has it's fuel. They are more like CB'ers than any other amateur in history. But that seems to be a part of the country club that the members just ignore. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif They are fogiven because they learned code. I guess knowing CW makes being an idiot, an OK thing to be.

Dee, don't misunderstand me in my postings. #When I say it is just a hobby, I am speaking in plain terms. #When we pass our test and recieve our license's, we are given the privilege to use the frequencies designated for amateur radio, that our respective license class allows us to use. #From that point on, it is up to us to operate the bands with the proper style, and respect, that amateur radio deserves. #

As long as we do just that, the rest is not for business, or a way of life. #It is a hobby that we are all supposed to enjoy. #We do experiments to better our equipment performance. We pass on that knowelege, so others can share in the benefits. We work together as a team, and put politics aside when there is a crisis. #We don't judge or shun those who make mistakes. (At least I don't). #Instead we Elmer them in the right direction.

Personally, I don't like code. #I don't ever plan on using it. #But I don't want to see CW just go away. #There are thousands who love CW, and use it as their only mode of transmission. And that's great for them.#I hope they will always get to do what they love on amateur radio. #I'm just tired of the country club judging me when they don't even know me. #I am just speaking out for what I believe in. #But the extremist's have big ego's that force them to just attack and condemn anyone who happens to disagree with them, as if only they could possibly be right. #And they even stoop to making up lies that support their point.

Dropping the code REQUIREMENT, IS NOT going to be anything like these guys have already made it out to be. #They are creating a problem that doesn't exist, and will not exist in the future. #And the extremist's are just using the CW issue as a crutch, to keep the country club closed to outsiders. #

All I want to do is get on the radio and have friendly QSO's with people all over the world. #I hate echo mics, and I can promise you, I won't bring one to HF. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Take care Dee

[KG4ROT]

I wanna do cw
I wanna do rtty
I wanna do phone too
I married a Irish girl and she says its OK
Thank you for the Monahan's....A fine bunch.
Love you Ireland...which ever way you go...
From a redneck,
w4rot

[KH2D]

In today's technological plethora of cell and satellite phones it is impossible, for all intents and purposes, for anyone anywhere on the face of this earth to ever be in a situation where morse code will be the last resort of communications.


Honk. Wrong answer. Try participating in CQWWCW with a cell phone and see how many contacts you get....

73, Jim KH2D

[KH2D]

But if he's a "W" any number, he is from the U.S. And if he was on frequency 14.185, (20 meters), then he must be a general or higher class with CW.

Did they drop the rules part of the written test too ?

73, Jim KH2D

[k5wpn]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif WELL THE US NEED TO FOLLOW SUIT BUT NOT TO GET RID OF ITS USES FOR THOSE WHO ENJOY IT

WADE NORRIS
K5WPN AAA6OK
GARVIN CO SKYWARN
OKLAHOMA ARMY MARS
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