EQSL opt out

[k0kn]

I was on the EQSL web site this morning, and discovered a way to opt out of EQSL entirely!

I signed up at one point (before I knew that the EQSL does not count toward awards), but since have tried contacting each station that sends me a EQSL
to arrange a paper card transaction.

By opting out of EQSL, the other station will see a message directing them to send me a paper card via direct or bureau. Perfect!

I don't intend to bring up the whole debate about EQSL, just wanted to inform those who may have been in the same situation as I -- spending time logging on every once and a while to check for new "cards", etc...

To opt out (assuming you are a member of EQSL), log in to
http://www.eqsl.cc, click [my profile]. At the bottom of the page is a button that reads 'Stop EQSLing'. Click this button. On the next screen you may select your preferred paper QSL route (direct, bureau, qsl manager, etc).

To check your callsign's status in the EQSL system, try
http://www.qslvia.com

Put your call in the box (make sure to click 'Search' - the enter key doesn't work). This will return your status w/ EQSL.

Try inserting my call to see what the 'other station' message looks like.

73,

Kyle
K0KN

Sometimes its really frustrating that ARRL does not except EQSL's for credit, but I have to look at the whole picture. For the same reasons as yourself, I do not depend on EQSL for an award system. I do however remember that this hobby is different for everyone, and some operators depend on EQSL. Some operators don't like ARRL's awards or stance on electronic QSL'ing. So that means I will keep uploading my logs for the benifit of others. Sometimes I think its useless myself, becouse even EQSL awards have to be "AG" and most users are not. But like I said, its important to some, so its important to me, even though I really want those paper cards. Just a thought.

Thomas
KH6/W4MDL

[kb8zuz]

I use eqsl regulary and also send the paper qsl to those who request it. Although i am not hunting any (AWARDS) they do offer their own awards. It is easy enough to upload my contacts for the day then make the paper ones out as needed. I will not be leaving eqsl.cc as i feel they are providing a good service. But if you NEED the paper qsl card than it is not for you.EQSL (http://www.eqsl.cc)

[n5pu]

I use eQSL and yes they do count for some awards....the ARRL and CQ are not the only clubs! #There are quite a few that accept eQSLS if they are AG (click here (http://www.eqsl.cc/qslcard/OrgBB.cfm)). #Which brings up a point, if you use the service, become AG. #It is quite simple. #I still work for other awards that require a paper QSL and I send one out when requested or I need one!
Just my 2 cents worth!
Leon, N5PU

[WB6FTI]

Not a contester or award hunter (yet), so pardon me while I ask ... what's AG??

Nothing wrong with eqsl for those of us who just like to collect "cards". Besides they have their own awards and you can print them yourself. They print up just fine on the cheap Canon S200 I have. Also, I'll bet you dollar to donuts, whenever ARRL gets their system running full tilt they will have some scam to collect mucho $$$$'s per award as they do now. The AG means authenticity guarantee meaning you emailed/snail mailed a copy of your license to EQSL to verify you are not a bootlegger of sorts. Besides all this, what can stop some one from creating their own phony set of dx qsl cards, printing them up and mailing em to the ARRL for various awards?? Don't tell me they verify each and every qso/qsl card! QSL CARDS/EQSL all fun for me. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[ki8u]

I'll have to agree with most on a positive responce for EQSL. It only takes a few minutes to upload my daily log and if it can help out a fellow ham nothing lost and I still go for the papre cards also if looking for a ARRL award. With the AG on EQSL it seems a bit two faced for the ARRL http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif to have there new on line log book but not take EQSL.

Just my 2cents
73, Dennis AB8NI

[k8nqc]

Many awards do accept eQsl. Many of us have stopped sending snail cards. Since no one but the awardee cares about awards and the awardee knows if they made the contact with eqsl, hard cards are becoming extinct. I suggest we all opt out of the old fashioned cards.

[AJ5TT]

Klye,

Sorry to see you opt out of eQSL. #The way I look at it is that eQSL is another forum to gain recognition of contacts. #I use the DXLab logging software (great software). #When I log a contact, DXLab uploads the contact to eQSL without intervention. #If I wish, I can send a standard paper QSL card for ARRL awards (and hope to get one back). #For that matter, I #can have eQSL send out a card design of my choice. #This way I can work toward eQSL awards and ARRL awards without much effort.

I wish more eQSL members would become AG in order for me to gain credit of contacts through eQSL. #AG is short for authenticity guarantee where eQSL has confirmed your license. #If you are a user of eQSL please take the time to get your AG certification.

73,
John – AJ5TT

[vk4jaz]

G'day from Down Under. I love eQSL and use it all the time. I had AG undere my old call (vk4tgm) and now that I have just upgraded, I have applied for AG once more. My only complaint, if that's what it is, is that they could or should accommodate IRLP and Echolink. And if the organisers are planning to do so, then please can't the process be speeded up?

73s
Grant
VK4JAZ

[N2PVP]

I think EQSL is great. I don't need all that paper. I can download all the cards I want and keep them on my computer.

[K3XR]

why should you need to go to eqsl or any other site to opt out....this is as a-- backwards as getting on the do not call list for telemarketers.....you should call to GET ON the list....or in this case, sign in on the site and indicate you WANT TO receive eqsls
dan,k3xr

[KG4TWX]

I do not use eQSL and also I will notWILL NOTRegister with them I have 4 waiting right now But I will register maybe MAYBE Just so I can opt out. i think it is terrible myself that ham radio has all went to computer (i.e.computer morse code, Psk31etc etc) I myself had a very very bad experience just watching some psk31(cussing and not too worried about what frequency you were on just to name a few) and also if I have to print QSLs out myself I have no return address no envelope and no anxious days waiting for them to come.

# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # 73 KG4TWX
# # # # # # # # # # # # # # Save the Code

[n2rxk]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Well!! I have been with eQSL for about two years. #I am not a paper chaser or an award chaser. #Amateur radio is a hobby and EVERYONE has there own needs and want. #I am a staunch supporter of the ARRL, but understand that most people have agendas (hidden and otherwise).
I don't hunt for QSL cards, but once in a while would like to have one for myself (such as first contact on 60 meters, first contact on 40 meters when I got my extra in the extra portion of the band, etc. #Fortunately my first 60m contact was also his first and we exchanged eQSL. #We will never win an award...but...who cares. #Politicians are small thinkers...people who won't accept changes are small thinkers..SOOOO where DO they fit (and do we really need to care!!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif. #Off topic, I am a 5 wpm Extra...I have two degrees in Electronics and Physics...I have lotsa emergency gear...vhf..uhf..aprs..hf AND I pedal along in the novice bands on CW at about 10 wpm. (look at N2rxk..QRZ.com for my Bio).
Please world...don't be so bitchy and devisive...this IS a hobby. #Try to solve problems..don't create them.

eQSL fits a nitch..if the ARRL wants to be "THE" King and cotnroller of the universe...so what. #I support the good that they do and will try to change the unchangeables. #I fight the good fight within the system. #Don't bitch...DO SOMETHING to affect change!!!!
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #73 de N2RXK Bob (Rotten Robert)

[wd5kca]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KG4TWX @ Sep. 08 2003,19:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I do not use eQSL and also I will notWILL NOTRegister with them I have 4 waiting right now But I will register maybe MAYBE Just so I can opt out. i think it is terrible myself that ham radio has all went to computer (i.e.computer morse code, Psk31etc etc) I myself had a very very bad experience just watching some psk31(cussing and not too worried about what frequency you were on just to name a few) and also if I have to print QSLs out myself I have no return address no envelope and no anxious days waiting for them to come.

# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # 73 KG4TWX
# # # # # # # # # # # # # # Save the Code[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
If you are scoring at home, that is a S5 on the troll meter.

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[KG4TWX]

What is a troll meter

[wd5kca]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KG4TWX @ Sep. 08 2003,19:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What is a troll meter[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
If you are scoring at home, that is S9 on the troll meter.

[KG4TWX]

That wa s a question not a comment!!!!!!

[wd5kca]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KG4TWX @ Sep. 08 2003,19:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That wa s a question not a comment!!!!!![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Look back, you forgot to type in the question mark (?). #I can't read your mind.

If you are scoring at home that is S9 +10 dB on the troll meter with 5 dB marked off for missing the punctuation.

[k9zmd]

Dead-Tree or E . . . the QSL is about the contact, not about the award!

[wo7t]

I don't understand why anyone wouldn't sign up, but then I never understood why some hams wouldn't keep a few envelopes on file at the Buro. Clearly confirmation of a QSO means different things to different folks.

So be it.
73

[KC2FBV]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (k8nqc @ Sep. 08 2003,19:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Since no one but the awardee cares about awards and the awardee knows if they made the contact with eqsl, hard cards are becoming extinct. I suggest we all opt out of the old fashioned cards..[/[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif #Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I really like the idea of exchanging hard copy QSL cards ... there's a "sentimental" quality there that an eQSL doesn't have.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif Before you guys label me a complete luddite, I will acknowledge that the Internet and ,most notably, e-mail are a cutting edge tool that can assist amateur radio operators.

DX spotting, QSL information can be exchanged with much greater speed than just 25 years ago.
QRZ.COM itself is a prime example of what technology can do.

Even IRLP & Echolink can #be a great tool.
Contact someone via IRLP (or Echolink) anywhere in the world.
If they're in their shack, you can arrange an HF contact and not lose contact while the two of you are trying to find an open frequency.

Even stranger, they can send back audio of how you sound over their rig and vice versa.

Heck, I managed to confirm my first contact to Crete and the operator was nice enough to send 2 pics of his seaside QTH along.

Still, I'll send for the card via the Buro though ... and send him mine. Years from now, it'll be nice to look at the collection I'll have amassed by then.

After all, each QSL card is from another part of the world you may never visit physically but you heard each other through the magic of radio. Yep, I said magic. What's old is suddenly new again.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif My nephews still get a kick out of the thought of their Uncle Scott talking all over the world without wires.

73,
Scott KC2FBV

[k0xu]

A problem that I have seen on eQSL is that there is no way to associate multiple calls. If you upgrade or otherwise change you call, you have to start a new record. There seem to be many people that do not realize this and submit special event and other temporary callsign QSOs under their regular call, which of course do not find a match in my log. The last time I corresponded with them they had no intention to fix any of this.

So I will continue to send my logs off periodically, but I am really not interested in any of it myself.

[n7wsb]

I don't see why the ARRL doesn't accept "eqsl" cards? The other day I was thinking about this - I can email you the same PDF file I made in InDesign that I gave a print shop to have my qsl cards made. You could print it on your own image setter, roll it through your own process print center. You could even print on a laser with some heavy card stock and get the EXACT SAME CARD. Use coated paper on a nice ink jet printer (not one of these 50$ specials that you buy at frys) and have a colour version.

Of course I use it in the generic sense - I think all eqsl.com deals with are low rez jpegs.

Welcome to the 21st (http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/20thanniversary.html) Century http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif.

[N5XGG]

I much prefer to get a "real" hard copy QSL card because it does seem more personal, but it is the QSL I'm interested in not the award. I will know when I have worked all states or all counties or all countries or all continents - and that is what counts, not the ARRL's acknowledgement. So if it is easier for you or the only way you can - Please send me a eqsl and thank you.

[KG4TWX]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wd5kca @ Sep. 08 2003,19:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Look back, you forgot to type in the question mark (?). #I can't read your mind.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Sorry.

KG4TWX

[KG4TWX]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N5XGG @ Sep. 09 2003,05:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I much prefer to get a "real" hard copy QSL card because it does seem more personal, but it is the QSL I'm interested in not the award. I will know when I have worked all states or all counties or all countries or all continents - and that is what counts, not the ARRL's acknowledgement. So if it is easier for you or the only way you can Please send me an eQSL.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
My thoughts exactly. Except, please send me a paper QSL.

KG4TWX

[W9JCM]

The reason ARRL doesnt accept them its because the greedy jerks wanted to start there own EQSL and the real EQSL beat them to the punch. However Eqsl does give there own awards so its good enough for me. I love it. I quite the Arrl this and will not go back. Arrl paper or Eqsl award paper doesnt matter or doesnt make it worth anymore. SO cudos to Eqsl.

[whsmith]

FYI: Anyone can check your eqsl inbox without registering right on the http://eqsl.cc web site. Just put your callsign in the "My Callsign" box in the Visitors area. Registered users can do the same thing for a quick and dirty way to see your inbox status without bothering to log in. Instant gratification awaits you! Do it!

I am extremely pleased with eQSL and would encourage all registered users to get AG. If everyone who is registered would get AG, I would have 55 countries and 43 states towards eQSL awards. The way it is now, I have only 16 states and 20 countries. I have been a member less than a year, since 23 Oct 2002 when I went active on HF. Help me out! If you send me a card I will send you one in return but eQSL is my primary method for QSLing.

Quess I'll have to send some SASEs to ARRL and FISTS buros too - shucks!

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[kj3n]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AJ5TT @ Sep. 08 2003,17:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I wish more eQSL members would become AG in order for me to gain credit of contacts through eQSL.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
This is my pet peeve.

I get enough sked requests as it is (I'm one of the few AG stations in Delaware), with about 30-60% of those non-AG. I've gotten to the point that if the station requesting a sked isn't AG, I delete it from the list.

I've got a 6 days-a-week work schedule and I don't have time to be dealing with all these non-AG skeds requests that won't do anything for me.

[N7XB]

I am a member of ARRL and "AG" on www.eQSL.cc. I have "chased paper" with both organizations. As PRIVATE entities, each is free to adopt its own award rules, and no one should complain that one organization does or does not accept another's criteria.

My chief complaint with eQSL's awards is the requirement that only "AG" contacts count. I have requested they install an "AG Filter" to screen out all non-AG eqsl's, but they refuse.

So, I no longer automatically upload ADIF files (e.g. after contests). Instead, I wait for others to initiate the eqsl process. If you're in my Inbox and you are AG, you get a confirmation. If you're not AG, you don't. That simple.

As to paper cards, I qsl direct 100% (no SASE required) or by bureau. I just ordered 1000 more cards from QSLShop, so look for a gorgeous shot of Mt. Hood when you receive my next card.

73 de Bruce N7XB

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KG4TWX @ Sep. 08 2003,19:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I do not use eQSL and also I will notWILL NOTRegister with them I have 4 waiting right now But I will register maybe MAYBE Just so I can opt out. i think it is terrible myself that ham radio has all went to computer (i.e.computer morse code, Psk31etc etc) I myself had a very very bad experience just watching some psk31(cussing and not too worried about what frequency you were on just to name a few) and also if I have to print QSLs out myself I have no return address no envelope and no anxious days waiting for them to come.

# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # 73 KG4TWX
# # # # # # # # # # # # # # Save the Code[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Here we go again twisting the subject around....pretty soon this will probably turn into a code/no code bashing
subject. Just one question tho..WHAT THE HELL DOES POOR PSK OPS HAVE TO DO WITH EQSL?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif Hmmmm
something fishy goin on here or is it me?!?!

[N5UP]

A couple of people have suggested that eQSL.cc may have "refused" to do this or that. Please realize that eQSL.cc is a spare time venture for the founder, who is involved in several time-consuming hobbies as well as a full-time job. With the entire system being supported by voluntary donations, nobody is getting rich. So the great new ideas that people have been suggesting usually get put into a list, prioritized, and then processed slowly but surely.

The ability to register multiple callsigns and associate them together has been finished and is currently being tested by several beta testers. It will be unveiled (or unleashed!) within the month.

Also, the ability to have the same callsign owned by multiple different owners at different times, and each to have complete separation, is also being tested at this time.

The ability to support mobiles, portables, and county hunters who may be in one grid square this hour and another one the next hour will be supported.

Our Authenticity Guaranteed program is designed to protect the integrity of the system. We have had 2 attempts to register callsigns by people who were not their legitimate licensees, and in each case the AG system prevented their bogus cards from being used for anything except nice wallpaper. The ARRL's Logbook of the World will have a similar system, except that they have not yet revealed how they intend to certify hams outside the USA. In the ARRL's case, people will have to become certified in order to register at all. We are providing eQSL support for the other 80% of hams who don't seem to want to submit a license to us or to ARRL, but who want to have a good time with QSL cards.

If you want a real live paper card, consider our printing and mailing service, where you can have any cards in your Inbox professionally printed on card stock and mailed to you.

73,
Dave Morris, N5UP
Founder and Webmaster, eQSL.cc
and occasional lurker

[k9zmd]

No intent to bash eqsl.cc, but there is a seldom-mentioned quirk that slightly destabilizes their award system.

My lone AG eQSL from Florida vanished when that ham moved & registered in another state, shrinking my eWAS total. #In that same instant, I gained an unearned AG eQSL for the state that he moved into. #Unluckily, that was one of those states where I already had several AG confirmations. #I asked him about maybe moving to Delaware instead, but I couldn't match the bucks that his new employer offered.

Of course, that quirk is just another of the minor things that will eventually be worked out by eqsl.cc, as time permits. #Meanwhile, it's still fun to see the eQSLs pile up, and really cheap & easy to reciprocate. #Keep in mind, QSLing is about the contact - the courtesy of a confirmation - and the awards are just a byproduct. #

For those (few) hams who still need a signed QSL from California, I'm more than happy to oblige with one of my dead-tree QSL cards. # # #73

[n5pu]

To N5UP (love that reverse of my call), job well done! #Thanks for the service. #Now if everyone would just become AG! #Got the last state that I needed for eWAS last night! #Thanks to all who helped. #Now if I could just work and confirm (with a paper QSL) Alaska on 40....5BWAS!

Again thanks for the service, N5UP!

73 es gud DX to all,
N5PU

[WA1RKA]

Thanks to the author of this thread for showing how to get out of the eqsl system.

I just dropped out of it due to many requests for contacts of which I had no record in my log.

If someone needs a card from Maine I much prefer to send a hard copy with a nice shot of the Portland Head Lighthouse on it. I also dont require a sase or postage to return one.

73
John
wa1rka

[G6FOP]

eQSL is a useful tool in the Hams Tool Box. An excellent initative and enviromentally friendly. No one makes you sign up for it. #Top Hole Old Chap. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

I respect everybody's choices and "tastes" and hope to be respected the same way!

Its only a question of what you like to do or how you like it to do!
I dont like QSL's via e-mail, or what ever you want to call it, I simply try to inform the best I can that I dont like it, I think its a rigth of mine! Who wants to use it, its in its perfect rigth, and I will not argew!

Now I would like to ask something, are ECHOLINK contacts valid as a "Ham QSO" ?? I received a "QSL" in my email, with a .jpg "Confirmation" of a echolink contact!!! is this possible?
OK, I like computers, I have some, and I do lots of things with them, but, they will never substitute my lovely ssb contacts, and my "real" qsl cards colection!

I do PSK to, have tryed a few other DIGS, but I found PSK a very interesting digital mode of comunication, wich I keep doing it once in a while... bla bla bla...

So what I realy think is:
Let each HAM choose they he likes to run his hobbie, and if we do it acording with laws, nobody has the rigth to criticise or say that what you do is less important than this or that.... so who prefers a e-qsl than a real card qsl , fine bye me, just dont force me to do it also!

73 de CU2AAV

[W9FDA]

I don't see why E-QSL's are not as valid for anything as snail mail QSL's. What difference does it make if you fill out the card and put a stamp on it or you fill out the card and hit send? None that I can see, other then the snail mail is many days slower.

Reminiscent of those who fought to keep horses when the first automobiles came out, I doubt the ARRL and CQ can live in the "past" for too much longer.

73's

Dave

[kd5ort]

When I make a contact on 6M SSB I send a qsl card in the mail and I upload my logs to eqsl.cc. I am a member of ARRL and working on WAS for 6M. If I work you, you will get a paper qsl card in the mail and a eqsl card. Why do so many people act like you can only do one or the other (ARRL vs. eQSL). If you want to win an award with ARRL, you have to be a member. I'm not putting down ARRL, just pointing out that joining eQSL is not that much different. 73, and hope to see you on 6M.

[n9nds]

I am a member of the ARRL and I am a little upset that they do not accept Eqsl cards. However I am not going to stop using or collecting them towards awards. As one person put it I know that I did it. I do not need a piece of paper from the ARRL or Eqsl to know I WAS. I think that in time the ARRL will accept them just not right now.

I have a card sent to me that was printed on 4x6 card stock and mailed in an envelope to me. The card had the information of the contact completely typed with no handwriting. It could have been an Eqsl but who would know. Just my $0.17 cents (inflation).

Brad

[ku4gw]

I use Eqsl.cc and it is great! I think the ARRL should not blackmail someone into membership by making them pay the $34.00 per year membership fee for ARRL Awards. If their going to provide this service, it should be to the entire ham community or not at all. Also, what's the deal with the WARC Bands toward earning awards such as WAS,DXCC,etc. I mean radio wave propagation is radio wave propagation is radio wave propagation! The WARC Bands have been available for years now.I only need 4 states for 5BWAS on CW, but several of my contacts are via 30 Meter CW,so I can't use them, but I still worked them wireless via radio wave propagation. Who are the idiots that came up with the rules for that?
# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # 73 de KU4GW Cliff

[w3mz]

I am not fond of eqsl either yet an eqsl is better than nothing. There are 4 lines of text you can add to your eqsl. I use 2 of these lines to request paper card direct or via bureau and promise to qsl direct upon request. I keep the eqsl until I get the real one. This usually works for me. 73, Mike W3MZ

[kj3n]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ku4gw @ Sep. 11 2003,16:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also, what's the deal with the WARC Bands toward earning awards such as WAS,DXCC,etc. I mean radio wave propagation is radio wave propagation is radio wave propagation! The WARC Bands have been available for years now.I only need 4 states for 5BWAS on CW, but several of my contacts are via 30 Meter CW,so I can't use them, but I still worked them wireless via radio wave propagation. Who are the idiots that came up with the rules for that?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The same "idiots" who know that if you open the WARC bands for award credit, then you'll have to open them up for contesting as well.

As a person who hates contesting with a passion, I'm glad there are some bands available to me that I don't have put up with that nonsense. It's bad enough I work 6 days a week and rarely have time for enjoying radio. Is it asking too much to have a place to operate that doesn't turn into a zoo?

[WA5EOG]

I've been using eQSL for about 2 years now and I personally think it is a nice service. I have found only one discrepancy in these cards that came to my mind a few months ago. I spent the Winter in South Texas in my RV and I did a lot of PSK work while there. When I got back to Arkansas, I started receiving eQSLs for those contacts. If I send them my eQSL, as it is currently designed, my card will show me as being in Arkansas when, in fact I was in Texas for that QSO. That could mess up someone who wanted the South Texas contact for state, county or grid. On the other hand, it could give someone an undeserved Arkansas contact when they did not work me here.
That's the one and only drawback I have thusfar come up with.

Ken, WA5EOG

[ham2john]

All you need to do is put the mobile details in the coments space. Best whishes to eQSL.cc keep up the good work. Best of luck to any one sad enough to want an award they wanted on the wall that badly, they felt they needed to cheat to get it there. Peace and Happines to all Amateurs World Wide. John G4ZPL http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[kc3jh]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ku4gw @ Sep. 11 2003,19:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also, what's the deal with the WARC Bands toward earning awards such as WAS,DXCC,etc. I mean radio wave propagation is radio wave propagation is radio wave propagation! The WARC Bands have been available for years now.I only need 4 states for 5BWAS on CW, but several of my contacts are via 30 Meter CW,so I can't use them, but I still worked them wireless via radio wave propagation. Who are the idiots that came up with the rules for that?
# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # 73 de KU4GW Cliff[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Hmmm . . . I looked over the WAS and DXCC rules at the ARRL's web site and can find no prohibition of WARC-band contacts being used for either WAS or DXCC. The rules simply state that the contacts must be made on "the amateur bands". DXCC, by the way, is endorseable for the WARC bands. So, if you can confirm 100 or more contacts on 12 meters, for instance, you can obtain a 12-meter DXCC endorsement.

73, Frank W3UHF

[KC7UP]

I am a member of ARRL. I also use EQSL as the only means of sending cards. I withdrew from the 7th bureau as I didn't like the expense. I only use eqsl or direct with a sase. I don't care if I qualify for awards or not. The qso is the thing I care about.
Curt.

[N4KIT]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ham2john @ Sep. 12 2003,07:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">All you need to do is put the mobile details in the coments space. Best whishes to eQSL.cc keep up the good work. Best of luck to any one sad enough to want an award they wanted on the wall that badly, they felt they needed to cheat to get it there. Peace and Happines to all Amateurs World Wide. John G4ZPL #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Unfortunately John, not so. While adding the mobile info to the comments will make record of the true location, eQSL retrieves the state or country from your call profile, which is based on your address of record on your license. So even if I was mobile in NC, the eQSL awards system would credit you with VA.

I am sure N5UP Dave is working on this and will make accurate mobiling QSL a reality soon.

73,
Chris N4KIT

[n5ebw]

Take a gander at the disclaimer at the bottom of the eqsl website.......Self explanatory why award bureaus will not accept them......

"eQSL.cc has no control over the accuracy of logs supplied by the users of this system. Under no circumstances shall eQSL.cc be liable for any damages caused by your use of the information collected in this system. In particular, no warranties are expressed or implied with regard to information contained herein. "

[ham2john]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N4KIT @ Sep. 12 2003,13:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ham2john @ Sep. 12 2003,07:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">All you need to do is put the mobile details in the coments space. Best whishes to eQSL.cc keep up the good work. Best of luck to any one sad enough to want an award they wanted on the wall that badly, they felt they needed to cheat to get it there. Peace and Happines to all Amateurs World Wide. John G4ZPL #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Unfortunately John, not so. #While adding the mobile info to the comments will make record of the true location, eQSL retrieves the state or country from your call profile, which is based on your address of record on your license. #So even if I was mobile in NC, the eQSL awards system would credit you with VA.

I am sure N5UP Dave is working on this and will make accurate mobiling QSL a reality soon.

73,
Chris N4KIT[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
sorry about that see what you mean Ken 73 John

[K9IIK]

EQSL's, Well some of us ooooooOLD hams haven't got time to wait for the snail mail QSL's. If you know what I mean...Hi Hi

[i0jx]

I am not sure on how much the opt-out approach would be effective, as letting somebody know that you will never download his e-QSL does not at all imply that that guy will send you a normal QSL. On the other hand people uploading their log onto e-QSL already know that only a little percentage of their QSOs will actually produce a QSL, so knowing that certain guys will not receive their card for sure does not change much.

My approach is to eQsl is "democratic": I upload my log onto eQSL, so that people who like that system can receive my card.

Nevertheless, I do not download cards for me, for the following main reasons:

- I http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif hate having to print and crop cards
- the inkjet printer ink will anyway fade out http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif in a few years
- QSLs printed on thin glossy paper are just ugly http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
- most card have an identical appearance http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif , little "sentimental" value

Though I love receiving QSLs a lot (mostly via the bureau), I would not know what to do with e-cards.

In conclusion, I hope http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif that, despite the inevitable e-QSL growth, people will continue to send normal cards.

73

Tony, I0JX