Pet Peeve

[K5CEY]

I've seen this once too often.

I've seen most versions except Amachoor.

We're all Amateurs.
# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #
Which means that we can easily be professionals, but do not charge for our services.

Some of the sharpest minds in the radio world are here on QRZ.

Let's at least get the spelling right.

# # # # # # # John # K5CEY

[K6UEY]

Whats the saying about people in Glass houses throwing stones ? Or is it the bibical saying about he who casts the first stone ? # # # # 73, # #ORV
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[ka1kjz]

LOL, you spelt it wrong in the topic title :)

[kc2elo]

I think that was his point. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[n6hle]

Why are a lot of hams be anal about some of the smallest things? If I'm on this message board and encorrectly spell wurds and you still no what it meens then what's the problom? Two many people focus on the wrong part of the messages.


And yes I know there was a lot of spelling errors. But you still know what I mean.

[KG4ROT]

Well I agree about this being a hub to read post from well respected and smart hams. Then again, English may not be the native language for some of them, so let it slide. If it is native, let it slide. Doesn't bother me in the least.
w4rot

[AG3Y]

Oh, I think it matters somewhat. Of course, this is just a discussion forum, and the posts made here are sometimes pretty hastily hashed together, because the idea is to express yourself and react to one another's thoughts. So it might not be all that important to get EVERY JOT and TITTLE in the right place.

However, I always try to proofread my comments and catch the biggest mistakes. Sometimes a word or two will slip past, but I try to keep it down to a minimum. It is certainly handy to have a Webster's Dictionary sitting beside the computer, and I have a small one both at work and at home.

Where I really hate to see mis-spelled words and poor grammatics used is when comments that are going to be read by an official agency are lashed together as sloppily as those that show up here, sometimes, on qrz.com. If you are answering an official "notice of inquiry" on some F.C.C. proposal, it behooves you to use as careful a choice of words and syntax, and spelling as you can possibly use. Granted, the F.C.C. has "seen it all", but I am sure that they have a much higher regard for someone's comments that are presented in as professional a manner as possible, as opposed to something that looks like it came "from the other side of the tracks" if yaknowhatimean,Vern! !

73 from Jim AG3Y

[kb9ax]

Hay, "Aam a chewer" Ah bet yooh ah chewer too.
we all love that thar rag chewin and all
So "Aam a chewer" yower a chewer, we all be chewers

Sorry, but I couldn't help that one.

He is correct about any official correspondence. Just remember you can proof your own writing once. After that you are very likely to overlook grammar and spelling mistakes because your mind sees what you think you said. I would always have others proof any official comments to the FCC. This board may be a good place for that at times. I am sure there are some great “wordsmiths” around.

Dan KB9AX
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[ka5s]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (k5cey @ Aug. 18 2003,22:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Let's at least get the spelling right.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Irony is the armature of fate.

Cortland

[WA2ZDY]

Since anything we write officially really HAS to be done well to count, it's a good habit to be in to do it correctly all the time. I happen to try, but of course some typos or other goofs get past when I'm writing unofficially.

Still, think about yourself. Do you want to be seen as lazy, not as smart as you could be, etc? That's how folks perceive some of what we write if it's not good. It's really no different than wearing torn dirty clothes. Do you? Or maybe not showering and smelling bad. Do you?

See what I mean?

And please, no smelly hamfest comments. We've all seen THAT crowd and who really wants to be like that?

On paper or online, your words ARE your first impression. Make it count.

[W5HTW]

When we all spell everything differently, and use the wrong words (&quot;your&quot; for &quot;you're&quot; for example) then we will simply cease to communicate and we can go back to grunting and drawings on the cave wall. Spelling DOES count.

ed

And no. Having a ham ticket is like having a license to drive. It does not make you a professional, no matter how much you wish it was a degree in electronics. Ham ticket does NOT equal expert. And hasn't for many years.

[KC9ECI]

ugh

[KC5ZQM]

Was gesprecht sie?

Ich nicht verstehen!

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[K5CEY]

The miss-spelling in my topic title was intentional.

The only point I was trying to make is that we are all amateur radio operators, even though many members are obviously professionals in their own right,and some of us just fell off the turnip truck.

I just think that we should know how to correctly spell our own title.

I would sure be dissapointed to see our family physician sign his name &quot;Dockter&quot;.

# # # # # # #John # K5CEY

[AG3Y]

I don't know, MB, I think you are starting to &quot;pick the nits&quot; now! Look at this page, and count the number of times the F.C.C. uses the terms &quot;Amateur&quot; (capitalized) and &quot;amateur&quot; ( no caps ) !

I will let you sort it out !

http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/amateur/

73 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif from Jim AG3Y

[n6hle]

I didn't go too far into the page but the only times I saw amateur capitalized were at the beginning of sentences, in titles and when amateur was part of an official title, such as Amateur Extra Class.

[AG3Y]

Doesn't English just drive you NUTS ? ! ? ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

73 from Jim AG3Y

[KC5ZQM]

I often capitalize amateur when using the word as a proper noun, such as when I refer to the Amateur Radio Service. #The uncapitalized form is an adjective.

Hmmmm, I wonder what columnist James Kirkpatrick would think of this thread...

[N5CTI]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC5ZQM @ Aug. 20 2003,11:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I often capitalize amateur when using the word as a proper noun, such as when I refer to the Amateur Radio Service. #The uncapitalized form is an adjective.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Same here. When I write &quot;Amateur Radio,&quot; it's a shortened version of &quot;Amateur Radio Service.&quot; If I say &quot;Amateur&quot; or &quot;Amateur operator&quot; when referring to a Ham (which I always capitalize in this context, but I know others don't), I'm referring to &quot;an operator or licensee in the Amateur Radio Service.&quot;

So thanks for the recommendation, but I'll stick to capitalizing &quot;Amateur.&quot; And &quot;Ham&quot; too, for that matter.

[ei5ja]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AG3Y @ Aug. 19 2003,08:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oh, I think it matters somewhat. #Of course, this is just a discussion forum, and the posts made here are sometimes pretty hastily hashed together, because the idea is to express yourself and react to one another's thoughts. #So it might not be all that important to get EVERY JOT and TITTLE in the right place.

However, I always try to proofread my comments and catch the biggest mistakes. #Sometimes a word or two will slip past, but I try to keep it down to a minimum. #It is certainly handy to have a Webster's Dictionary sitting beside the computer, and I have a small one both at work and at home.

Where I really hate to see mis-spelled words and poor grammatics used is when comments that are going to be read by an official agency are lashed together as sloppily as those that show up here, sometimes, on qrz.com. #If you are answering an official &quot;notice of inquiry&quot; on some F.C.C. proposal, it behooves you to use as careful a choice of words and syntax, and spelling as you can possibly use. #Granted, the F.C.C. has &quot;seen it all&quot;, but I am sure that they have a much higher regard for someone's comments that are presented in as professional a manner as possible, as opposed to something that looks like it came &quot;from the other side of the tracks&quot; if yaknowhatimean,Vern! !

73 from Jim AG3Y[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
At the risk of the wrath of the USA descending upon me let me put in my tuppence worth.

It does not matter since most of you guys speak American and not English. American is spoken in phonetics eg 'nite' instead of 'night', 'lite' instead of
'night'. There are lots more but those two will suffice. As I have said before, it matters not how you spell it as long as the meaning is clear. Most of the participants here (on QRZ) understand all that is on the forum
evidenced by the regularity with which some wiseacre
uses up forum space correcting other people's 'errors

73 Y'all
Ed http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[K8YS]

&lt;tweak mode on&gt;

while the american version of english is my first (and only) language, i was taught that you capitalize the first letter of a &quot;proper name&quot;. the amateur radio service is a proper name, amateur is often the shortend version of a.r.s., so amateur gets a capital letter.

The fcc webmaster needs to go back to school.



added to peeves, not in order of which is pet;
amature
amatuer
yaesu
yazoo
73's
extra class (properly called Amateur Extra Class)

&lt;tweak mode off&gt;



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[K7KBN]

You have &quot;yaesu&quot; spelled correctly (except for the lack of capitalization.) It's usually &quot;Yeasu&quot;, and I've seen &quot;Yaseau&quot; more than once.

Ever notice that it's the people who &quot;can't&quot; do something who protest the loudest that being able to do it isn't important. Like learning code, reading music... or spelling.

[XV2PS]

QRZ.com is not linked to any litterature university, so, basically I do not care much about how to spell as long as I can understand.

Now, on the other hand, I understand that writings can leave impressions to readers. I therefore try my best on English. ...Just for me....

I kinda like amachoor. Has class. (low class). The spelling troubled me for years till I saw that the eu are in alphabetical order.

For a recent ham flea market one of the club members made up a nice poster --except---.
Think I am the only one who caught the mistake. But maybe that is cause I am purfect. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

TOM K8ERV

[K7KBN]

XV2PS -

Pierre, your English is somewhat better than my Vietnamese, and probably better than the Vietnamese spoken by anyone else on QRZ.com.

Actually, your English is at least as good as that of many posters on here!

[AE6IP]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC5ZQM @ Aug. 20 2003,09:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I often capitalize amateur when using the word as a proper noun, such as when I refer to the Amateur Radio Service. #The uncapitalized form is an adjective.

Hmmmm, I wonder what columnist James Kirkpatrick would think of this thread...[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Sigh. Amateur, when used in &quot;Amateur Radio Service&quot; is being used as an adjective, modifying &quot;Radio Service&quot;.

Amateur, when used in a sentence such as &quot;He is a real amateur.&quot; is being used as a noun, but not a proper noun, since proper nouns are names of persons, places, or things. (Unless the guy has gone to court and changed his name to Real Amateur.&quot;

[AE6IP]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ei5ja @ Aug. 20 2003,17:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It does not matter since most of you guys speak American and not English. #American is spoken in phonetics eg 'nite' instead of 'night', #'lite' instead of
'night'. There are lots more but those two will suffice. As I have said before, it matters not how you spell it as long as the meaning is clear. Most of the participants here (on QRZ) understand all that is on the forum
evidenced by the regularity with which some wiseacre
uses up forum space correcting other people's 'errors[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
We both speak English. You speak the dialect known as &quot;British English&quot;, I would guess, where as I (usually) peak the dialect known as &quot;American English.&quot;

I'm not sure what you mean when you say &quot;American is spoken in phonetics&quot;, because all languages are spoken phonetically. Assuming you mean spelled phoneticly, this is only partially true, about which see Mark Twain's proposal to simplify English spelling.

You will also find that the use of 'nite' rather than night and 'lite' rather than light tends to be limited to advertising, attempts to be cute, and IRC.

[AE6IP]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K8YS @ Aug. 21 2003,00:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">&lt;tweak mode on&gt;

while the american version of english is my first (and only) language, i was taught that you capitalize the first letter of a &quot;proper name&quot;. the amateur radio service is a proper name, amateur is often the shortend version of a.r.s., so amateur gets a capital letter.

The fcc webmaster needs to go back to school.



added to peeves, not in order of which is pet;
amature
amatuer
yaesu
yazoo
73's
extra class (properly called Amateur Extra Class)

&lt;tweak mode off&gt;



http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The word 'amateur', when used in the title 'Amateur Radio Service' is being used as a modifying adjective, and is only capitalized because the entire noun phrase is a popular name. The word 'amateur' used alone as a noun always refers to an individual amateur (in whatever field) is a common noun and is never capitalized, with two exceptions.

Any word that appears as the first word of a sentence is capitalized.

Typographers often, but not consistently, follow the convention that all words in a title, except for prepositions and articles, are capitalized.

The FCC web site, at least the page referenced earlier, is correctly capitalized.

[kb4ett]

Anyone ever seen how the kids spell words when they
are text-messaging on their little cell phones?

It boils down to basic phonetics and number/letter substitutions.

These are the same pukes that pull up next to me at the
red light in their 'hot-rodded' honda, acura, toyota, and
rev up their little 4 cylinder mills while I patiently listen
to my 400hp camaro repeatedly say 'american steel'

[K8EEI]

An easy way to remember is &quot; a mate you are &quot; or &quot; a mate U R &quot; . eh what , mate ?

Ah jist fix-a-ma-tated da startir en mah farm truk . It was the amateur that hed a short en it . Butt duh brishes was OBKB . http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

73 de Tony K8EEI ( a mate you are )

[kb4ett]

EEI,

That is too funny!

[ei5ja]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AE6IP @ Aug. 24 2003,01:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We both speak English. You speak the dialect known as &quot;British English&quot;, I would guess, where as I (usually) peak the dialect known as &quot;American English.&quot;[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
AARGH! How dare you sir?

I speak the Gaelic dialect of the Sassenach tongue, the most effective kind and there is a historical reason for that, similar to the reason for the Boston Tea Party! My Mother tongue is Gaelic.

73 om

Ed

[AE6IP]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ei5ja @ Aug. 24 2003,15:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">AARGH! How dare you sir?

I speak the Gaelic dialect of the Sassenach tongue, the most effective kind and there is a historical reason for that, similar to the reason for the Boston Tea Party! My Mother tongue is Gaelic.

73 om

Ed[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Tá fear as mo chroí!

Speak no Gaeilge dialect of the Sassenach; such a cumbersome language deserves no lilt. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

73,

Marty (lapsed cainteor Gaeilge) AE6IP

[AE6IP]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Anyone ever seen how the kids spell words when they are text-messaging on their little cell phones?

It boils down to basic phonetics and number/letter substitutions.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

It's often called l33tsp34k. It's no different than '10 codes', prosigns, or any other culture shorthand.

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These are the same pukes that pull up next to me at the
red light in their 'hot-rodded' honda, acura, toyota, and
rev up their little 4 cylinder mills while I patiently listen
to my 400hp camaro repeatedly say 'american steel' [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Those pukes are the generation that are going to fund your retirement. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

(I wonder how that Camaro would do against an Acura NSX on the formula 1 course at Watkins Glen. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif )

73,

Marty

Amatuer, #amachoor (Well, Hashafisti Scratchi made THAT one famous, so it's excused. IF you have to ask 'who's Hashafisti Scratchi?' skip this message. HI)

What difference does it make?

For most - not much. But then again, for most

73's and 88's are ok. #Believing ham radio is a hobby when it's not is ok. #And being ignorant of background, tradition, culture, the 'why things are the way they are' is OK too.

We's be goings offlines #now. Bestes Regardes to the gang and loves and kissesses to da ladees outder. 10-4?

;-)

Lesse... I recall the formula for fundamental crystal frequency in a bunch of rigs used to be..

&quot;F(MHz) minus 10-4 divided by 3&quot; wasn't that it?&quot;

I remember Schratchi, wonder if he remembers me? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

TOM K8ERV

[K7KBN]

HASHAFISTI SCRATCHI!!! I haven't heard that name for years. Wonder how the OM is doing these days. Probably in the same nursing home as Jeeves.

No, he is in the bed next to mine. Fortunately so is Vanna.--- http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

TOM K8ERV

Hashafisti Scratchi is retired and still living in 'Feenix, AZ with his bride of many years - Lil Watanabe'.

Sadly, 'Hon. Uncle Itchy' is a SK having died some years ago. But Hashafisti continues remember him.

What has Hashafisti been up to?

Rumors have it that he has kept his old call BUT upgraded recently when the code was dropped to 5 WPM. Since he had a higher class license, he didn't have to take the code test, just show he was grandfathered and he got (as he put it) 'Hon. Extra'.

He is still confused by all the arguing going on about the dropping code because as he put 'Hon. Ed, Scratchi having trubble following all arguing about amachoors fightings about cw and no cw. Scratchi confused because amachoors still can use cw even if not being required for license. Scratchi not understanding amachoor fightings about it.'

Scratchi is NOT on the Internet because he says' Scratchi tried Internet but too hard. Scratchi want to send EMAILS to Hon XYL Lil Watanabe but not able to do so as cannot get computer to work. Keep getting EMAILS back in hon. mailbox. Scratchi give upand call Hon. XYL on landline.'

Scratchi is alive andwell and enjoying hon grandkids and working see dubble you and chasing Dee Exx.

[KG4ROT]

Oh man, that's scary...That was the easiest reading post I have read in a while...
I must be losing it....

[N8CPA]

&quot;Amateur&quot; is derived for the old Latin verb &quot;amare,&quot; to love. #The Latin noun was &quot;amator.&quot; #The current English spelling implies that our version of the Latin word was absorbed from a French corruption of the term.

I won't delve into Classical vs Ecclestastical Latin etymologies, which explains much of the multiplicity of English spellings for similar phonemes dervied from Latin.
And I'm convinced that Q-signals derive from the old Latin abbreviation &quot;qu&quot; for &quot;when.&quot;

However, Amateur Radio should always be capitalized, as far as I'm concerned--as should the letters of call signs. And, in the case of calls, should be spelled out in International Morse. # But, that's just my particular peeve. # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Steve