AB2T
09-14-2010, 08:44 AM
Let's open a can of worms for fun! Should American amateurs be allowed to operate SSB on 30m?
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K3DAV
09-14-2010, 08:18 PM
Maybe, and only if the 30m band was greatly increased in size, like adding 100kc or more. Otherwise no. I agreed with leave 60m to USB, and 30m to CW/data. Both bands are too small for more than one mode.
WS2L
09-15-2010, 04:40 PM
I don't see why not, 30 meters can be full of surprises being right in the middle of 40 and 20 meters. A few weeks ago I was operating PSK-31 on 30 meters around noon time Eastern time. Anyway I was able to hold a 30 minute QSO with a ham in Australia with no QSB and a few days later I worked a ham in Germany around the same time of day.
The only problem I see is that the band is downright to small. We would need a minimum of 100 KHz and not 50. I do not know if this band is also authorized for other use but making the band to 10.100 to 10.200 would be nice.
The only problem I see is that the band is downright to small. We would need a minimum of 100 KHz and not 50. I do not know if this band is also authorized for other use but making the band to 10.100 to 10.200 would be nice.
AB2T
09-15-2010, 05:17 PM
I don't see why not, 30 meters can be full of surprises being right in the middle of 40 and 20 meters. A few weeks ago I was operating PSK-31 on 30 meters around noon time Eastern time. Anyway I was able to hold a 30 minute QSO with a ham in Australia with no QSB and a few days later I worked a ham in Germany around the same time of day.
The only problem I see is that the band is downright to small. We would need a minimum of 100 KHz and not 50. I do not know if this band is also authorized for other use but making the band to 10.100 to 10.200 would be nice.
Aren't hams the secondary users on 30m?
A good compensation would be an expansion of 60m into a phone-only band without the channelization. I agree that propagation-wise 30's a better all-around band.
I don't think it's a bad idea to have a phone only band and a cw/data only band if that's the best way to utilize small spaces. In a way having dedicated mode bands provides some relief from the tug-of-war between different camps that often surrounds the expansion of the phone segments on other bands.
73, Jordan
The only problem I see is that the band is downright to small. We would need a minimum of 100 KHz and not 50. I do not know if this band is also authorized for other use but making the band to 10.100 to 10.200 would be nice.
Aren't hams the secondary users on 30m?
A good compensation would be an expansion of 60m into a phone-only band without the channelization. I agree that propagation-wise 30's a better all-around band.
I don't think it's a bad idea to have a phone only band and a cw/data only band if that's the best way to utilize small spaces. In a way having dedicated mode bands provides some relief from the tug-of-war between different camps that often surrounds the expansion of the phone segments on other bands.
73, Jordan
K3DAV
09-16-2010, 08:52 AM
I would love to see more channels on 60 meters. I really enjoy that band. But it should remain channelized, and USB only. It's what makes the band unique. We need 10 or 15, channels with a minimum of 3kc between each one.
60 meters is the first and only band where everyone is on an equal playing field. Everyone has the same power ERP. Although 100 watts would be a nice limit instead of 50. There is never a guy 1 kc up or down tuning up his big bad linear for 20 minutes, and blocking out your QSO in the process. No big power guys in pile-ups walking all over us QRP guys. It is more laid back and friendly.
Only channels 4 and 5 are considered international frequencies. It would be nice to have a couple more of them. I've talked to Norway, Italy, and Brazil on 60m with 50 watts. A local friend and I sometimes sit on channel 1 and just BS. Then we get a few distant stations that find us and jump in to talk with us for a while. Always very friendly QSO's, and very little shop talk. It's a great band just around and after sunset. Only 3 times did we hear the data signals from the feds just take over the frequency. We just moved up to the next one and talked there.
60 meters is the first and only band where everyone is on an equal playing field. Everyone has the same power ERP. Although 100 watts would be a nice limit instead of 50. There is never a guy 1 kc up or down tuning up his big bad linear for 20 minutes, and blocking out your QSO in the process. No big power guys in pile-ups walking all over us QRP guys. It is more laid back and friendly.
Only channels 4 and 5 are considered international frequencies. It would be nice to have a couple more of them. I've talked to Norway, Italy, and Brazil on 60m with 50 watts. A local friend and I sometimes sit on channel 1 and just BS. Then we get a few distant stations that find us and jump in to talk with us for a while. Always very friendly QSO's, and very little shop talk. It's a great band just around and after sunset. Only 3 times did we hear the data signals from the feds just take over the frequency. We just moved up to the next one and talked there.
VA6SZ
09-18-2010, 03:58 PM
No. But there is already SSB on 30m. I pick it up out of the Pacific (french speaking persons probably on fishing boats).
WA4OTD
09-18-2010, 04:21 PM
I think 30M is perfect the way it is now.
SV9OFO
09-18-2010, 04:37 PM
Due to lack of sunspots, 30 has taken the place of 20m as "the real DX band" propagation-wise.
It is not anyone's fault. It is just the way it is.
Yesterday night I run a propagation test using plain CW identification and carrier, on all bands thanks to a nederland based WebSDR.
The results were stunning - A OCF 42m with 100W was NOT heard at all on 80m, s7 on 40, s9+20 on 30m, s1 on 20
antenna height was sufficient for low angle on 40 (22m)
Tests carried near local dawn.
OCF got in 30 with a tuner, swr was up to heaven.
This is the reason why I feel that 4 ssb channels on 30, max powered 100W, would be nice.
It is not anyone's fault. It is just the way it is.
Yesterday night I run a propagation test using plain CW identification and carrier, on all bands thanks to a nederland based WebSDR.
The results were stunning - A OCF 42m with 100W was NOT heard at all on 80m, s7 on 40, s9+20 on 30m, s1 on 20
antenna height was sufficient for low angle on 40 (22m)
Tests carried near local dawn.
OCF got in 30 with a tuner, swr was up to heaven.
This is the reason why I feel that 4 ssb channels on 30, max powered 100W, would be nice.
SV9OFO
09-18-2010, 05:10 PM
Ah, yes, and no 60m for SV ops...:(
G0JKZ
09-18-2010, 05:25 PM
well i say yes, but.....
the band needs to be at least 500khz wider to fit it in.
as it is, all the data modes sit nicely there without having any reall issues with each other.
the band needs to be at least 500khz wider to fit it in.
as it is, all the data modes sit nicely there without having any reall issues with each other.
N0SYA
09-19-2010, 05:52 PM
wheres the option for contesting on warc?
K3ROJ
09-28-2010, 02:52 PM
That is the best part of working 30 metres in that there is no interference from SSB users. Why not learn the code and join in the fun?
AB2T
09-28-2010, 03:10 PM
wheres the option for contesting on warc?
Don't go there. Ragchewers and other casual ops need a place to escape contests.
That is the best part of working 30 metres in that there is no interference from SSB users. Why not learn the code and join in the fun?
Amen to that!
Don't go there. Ragchewers and other casual ops need a place to escape contests.
That is the best part of working 30 metres in that there is no interference from SSB users. Why not learn the code and join in the fun?
Amen to that!
AF6LJ
09-28-2010, 03:21 PM
No;
Leave Thirty-meters alone.
Leave Thirty-meters alone.
N2WEC
12-12-2010, 03:24 AM
I am a N/C General working to learn code. Leave 30m as it is. It already has the other digital modes worked there. Leave well enough alone. Thank you, N2WEC in FN02.
K1ZJH
12-12-2010, 06:14 AM
Leave it CW only. SSB is slowly taking over the other bands, it would be nice to have one refuge available.
pete
pete
VE3FMC
12-12-2010, 11:06 PM
wheres the option for contesting on warc?
[SIZE="2"]There should be no option for contesting on the WARC bands.
Do the contests operators not have enough bands now?
Leave 30, 17 and 12 meters as they are now.
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[SIZE="2"]There should be no option for contesting on the WARC bands.
Do the contests operators not have enough bands now?
Leave 30, 17 and 12 meters as they are now.
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N5YPJ
12-14-2010, 03:30 AM
Don't go there. Ragchewers and other casual ops need a place to escape contests.
Amen to that!
Double Amen!!
Amen to that!
Double Amen!!
AF6LJ
12-14-2010, 03:57 AM
As for rag chewing during contests, there is;
sixty meters
Seventeen meters
and twelve. meters.
:)
sixty meters
Seventeen meters
and twelve. meters.
:)
KA5S
12-14-2010, 12:08 PM
Only if CW contesting is also allowed and encouraged in the SSB segment.:eek:
Actually, some countries do allow SSB there.
Cortland
KA5S
Actually, some countries do allow SSB there.
Cortland
KA5S
K8JD
12-27-2010, 09:14 PM
I don't even like the idea we have to share thirty meters with those data stations.
K8JD
12-27-2010, 09:19 PM
As for rag chewing during contests, there is;
sixty meters
Seventeen meters
and twelve. meters.
:)
Don't forget you can rag chew on 30M during contests, and don't even need a microfone !:eek:
sixty meters
Seventeen meters
and twelve. meters.
:)
Don't forget you can rag chew on 30M during contests, and don't even need a microfone !:eek:
AG6JU
03-04-2011, 06:12 AM
I think as HF become less used for broadcast and communication, we probably looking at expansion of many of those band like 30 mtr, 500 KHz in 30 mtr ? may be some day entire HF become ham band.
ND6M
03-04-2011, 01:20 PM
Leave it CW only...
CW ONLY ?? what are all of those other buzzing, beeping, and brappin type signals on 30 then?
CW ONLY ?? what are all of those other buzzing, beeping, and brappin type signals on 30 then?
KA5S
03-04-2011, 11:31 PM
Only in the top 300 KHz.
Cortland
KA5S
Cortland
KA5S
WA4OTD
03-04-2011, 11:35 PM
The band is listed as RTTY and data (which includes CW).
I don't know what happens when the data happens to have voice.....
CW ONLY ?? what are all of those other buzzing, beeping, and brappin type signals on 30 then?
I don't know what happens when the data happens to have voice.....
CW ONLY ?? what are all of those other buzzing, beeping, and brappin type signals on 30 then?
N7NET
03-10-2011, 05:28 PM
Never.
n7net
n7net
KE7DOO
03-11-2011, 04:12 AM
Even though I operate sideband exclusively, I have to say no simply because there are already more than enough bands for us sidebanders to play on.
73, Henry
73, Henry
KJ6ELV
03-11-2011, 08:00 AM
Yes I think they need another voice band between 40-meters and 20-meters for when conditions on the other bands are poor. They would have to make the band larger by about 100khz though, or just have a VERY small segment for SSB signals like the channelized 60m band.
WA7PRC
03-11-2011, 09:01 PM
Why stop at 30m? To complete the effect, phone should be allowed anywhere Morse is. Eventually, the ESSBers will need the spectrum anyway, so they can pretend to be big time radio broadcasters. :rolleyes:
To quote Red Green (http://www.redgreen.com/), "If it ain't broke, you're not trying hard enough." Stop trying.
To quote Red Green (http://www.redgreen.com/), "If it ain't broke, you're not trying hard enough." Stop trying.
AG6JU
03-13-2011, 09:39 AM
I operate CW mostly in HF, I don't mind if they allow SSB in any where in the band.
because, with CW I can use very narrow filter like 250 Hz, I can go between SSB
even in the right in the middle. SSB voice does not interfere with CW signal with narrow filter much.
but, SSB people might be annoyed by CW going into their 2.4 kHz wide filter, unless they have automatic DSP notch filter. so I guess we can co-exist in same frequency.
because, with CW I can use very narrow filter like 250 Hz, I can go between SSB
even in the right in the middle. SSB voice does not interfere with CW signal with narrow filter much.
but, SSB people might be annoyed by CW going into their 2.4 kHz wide filter, unless they have automatic DSP notch filter. so I guess we can co-exist in same frequency.
