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06-14-2003, 07:56 PM
(As Rod Serling used to say as he introduced the nights' episode of the 'Twilight Zone'http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif 'Consider the case of two hunters.

These two hunters decide that they want to go hunting. Doesn't matter WHAT they are hunting, they just decide it would be fun! They learn that they can get awards and recognition for bagging the target(s) that they have set out to bag.

They both get fairly common hunting gear. They learn what the basic rules are for hunt. They both have a common hunting ground to choose from.

Our two hunters take totally different courses in learning to hunt and capture what they seek.

#1 - Hunter #1 decides that the way to do is to go to the hunting grounds and learn about the lay of the land. #1 learns how to 'read' the landscape, 'read' the sounds of the various animals who live there, 'read' the environment, etc. #1 doesn't do too well - at first - BUT with each failure, increased knowledge comes. With increased knowledge comes better understanding of WHERE to go in the hunting grounds, WHAT types of hunting gear work best for the type of game being sought, and the rewards of success come with practice. Once fundamentals are learned, successes are built on successes until #1 hunter is recognized as a 'pro' by other hunters and is highly regarded because of the EARNED merits of the rewards of the hunt. The awards and rewards are apprecaited by #1 with a great deal of personal pleasure because it is KNOWN that they were EARNED thorugh the dint of desire, hard work, and learning.

#2 - Hunter #2 decides that the best way to go, and a time saver, money saver, and stress saver is to seek out other hunters and band together. Each hunter will help find game for the others. They dedice to ALL gather at one spot and encourage game (or seek game out) to come to THEM.

They all then take turns bagging game. They may even have help from the guide who solicts game for them and may.. also.. help them by passing along vital information to permit a 'successful hunt'


EQUATE THIS TO using nets and prearranged skeds for "awards hunting' (Be it WAS/DXCC, etc)

Ham #1 goes out and practices tuning and listening. He doesn't succeed much - at first - but as he learns to 'read' the band, learns the habits of the targets (States, Countries, Islands, COunties), along with operating skills he improves and his success grows. When #1 DOES get the results #1 wants.. the rewards are personally satisfying and (odds are) others out there have observed that #1 has done it 'without help' and they tend to view #1 as one to whom they will seek to learn from OR invite ot participate in activites.

Ham #2 goes out and joins a scheduled net. He spends all his time on that frequency. There is a guide (NCS) who coordinates ALL the activites on the frequency. NCS takes check ins of DX/States/Counties and also takes check ins of those who want to work the DX/State/Counties.

Ham #2 checks in, NCS gives a list of who's one and what's avaialble. NCS will have Ham #2 call station. If #2 does not 'quite copy it 100 percent' so NCS will help - either by getting info for ham #2 and relaying it OR having ham #2 guess what the information is and then QSL'ing it for them. Then NCS will announce "GOOD CONTACT!" or words to that effect and ham #2 will just have 'worked' another one.

Ham #2 learns no skills, learns nothing about how to operate effectively and gains rewards based on the spoonfeeding provided. Never grows out of 'childhood ham' stage. Gets the award, but the personal satisfaction is never ever quite the same.

So it is with DX NETS, WAS NETS, etc.. Spoonfeeding. Salting the hunting ground. No longer ANY need to LEARN to hunt.. LEARN to stalk.. LEARN to understand.

Just go to a frequency, check in and hang out! HEck.. even have the packetcluster alert you to when the desired station has checked into the net. Then you can check in, work him and move on your way.

CANNED HUNTS (regardless of nets, prearranged via EMAIL hunts or whatever are NOT DX'ing, County hunting, whatever.


PLEASE ! Before you flame.. I am NOT saying that having a common frequencyfor 'like minded people' to congregate is a good thing - it is a very good thing.

It is when the meeting place becomes a place where spoonfeeding occurs that it becomes out of bounds.


I expect MANY will be upset, will say 'So what?' or take umbrange at the post. That's fine. Just remember we're talking about a personal integrity issue here. YOU know how you 'earned' or EARNED your award and that's the bottom line.

73

Chuck K3FT

N0PU
06-14-2003, 08:58 PM
The really sad part is that Ham #2 [Mr Spoonfed] is so ignorant of 'the rest of the world' that he never even realizes he's been duped by the system and even worse duped by himself through his own actions...

And he surely hasn't helped to build that pool of knowledgeable operators that Amateur Radio was set up to accomplish in the first place...

Excellent post...

06-14-2003, 11:25 PM
Wow, DX nets... what a concept. I heard my first DX net tonight on 14.251 at 20:15Z. At first, I didn't know what they were discussing on this net, because I tuned to the frequency when they were already on their way. They were doing check-ins, and some of the stations were DX. I listened for a few more minutes, and discovered that this was a DX net. I have never heard one before, and was just listening to see how many US stations checked in. There weren't many. I guess most people were outdoors enjoying the summer weather or something.

Oh man, I love to search and pounce... that is how I have gotten most of my DX stations! I do check the cluster now and then, but I have found that most of the cluster stations aren't reachable for me, or are being posted from outside the US. So I post a DX spot to the cluster more than I get a potential contact from it.

Search and pounce is FUN. I love pileups... I love to see if I'm being heard by a DX and how many calls it takes me to be heard.

I guess I'm not familiar enough with DX nets to say one thing or the other about 'em, but I think they have the potential to take the fun out of the hunt. But then, that's just me.

kc0kvu
06-15-2003, 12:38 AM
Yep, been hearing my first nets like this over the past month and I can't believe how pathetic this practice is. Do what you want but shooting ducks in a barrel isn't exactly the challenge I had in mind when I search for dx. Key word being search.....spineless....*sigh*

Adam

KD7WHQ
06-15-2003, 06:09 AM
I prefer to track, stalk, and ambush game. Organized hunts only guarantee a harvest regardless of skill. Takes a lot of the fun out of it.
This is kind of what I was referring to in another thread about removing challenge through automation, and these nets would be a dead analogy to the same. Set up camp and call them to you? That's varminting, not hunting.
Spin the VFO, and dive on the signal. That's DX'ing. Working pileups I have yet to do, but it seems it would be a blast.

73

06-15-2003, 04:23 PM
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Yep... get thyself into a smallish pileup for maximum fun (and when I say &quot;smallish&quot;, I am not referring to the pileups I heard surrounding Ducie Island and ST0RY last winter). Seems like I get myself into a nice pileup everytime I get on the radio- there is almost always a DX waiting somewhere on one of the bands each day I tune in.

You do need some patience for working larger pileups, especially if your signal is smallish, like mine. I put out 100 watts and do not use beam antennas. So every DX contact I get, I appreciate 100% and feel even more satisfied, knowing that I can work the world on what I do have.

KC8QMU
06-15-2003, 06:21 PM
On the rare occasion that I get the inclination to chase DX I usually find a quiet frequency and send some cq. #It is much funner that way- when you are done sending you have no idea who is going to answer, if anyone at all, and where they are from. #That to me is the spirit of hunting dx, not chasing paper &quot;cookies&quot; or trying to blow a 500W station out of the water with 1200W in a pileup. #I literally couldn't care less if actual dx answers or if it is a friend on the other side of town that hears me and fires up to say hi.
DX nets aren't my thing either, but I'm not going to sit here and trash talk people who use them like some others of you seem to love to. #I agree with N0PU though, they really don't get it sometimes. #But think of it this way, most of you as I were a little shy when we first fired up on hf. #Many new ops have only operated locally on 2m- when this is the case gettting on 15 or 20 in good band conditions can be pretty intimidating-when you can't really comprehend the fact that your own rf is being propagated over a good portion of the globe........ #everyone can use a helping hand in the beginning.
At least the DX nets dont have the &quot;CB channel 6&quot; mentality that the pileups sometimes breed.
I don't really like DX nets, but then again they are not as pathetic as some of the non-emergency traffic nets I have listened too......... # but to each their own.

06-15-2003, 06:21 PM
Me no hunt, animals or Dx. Me pound on the keyboard. TOM K8ERV

KG4RUL
06-15-2003, 06:45 PM
But then, there is no need to hunt if you camp out on 50.125 during a contest. Tuning dials! We don't need no stinking tuning dials!

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n0xu
06-15-2003, 07:16 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC0ODY @ June 14 2003,10:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif9--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD7WHQ @ June 14 2003,23http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif9)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Working pileups I have yet to do, but it seems it would be a blast.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Yep... get thyself into a smallish pileup for maximum fun (and when I say &quot;smallish&quot;, I am not referring to the pileups I heard surrounding Ducie Island and ST0RY last winter). Seems like I get myself into a nice pileup everytime I get on the radio- there is almost always a DX waiting somewhere on one of the bands each day I tune in.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I worked in Antarctica a couple of years ago, and I had a blast creating small pileups. I'd hunt around and find some guy calling CQ for a nice ragchew, and answer him. They'd usually be surprised as to where I was. I'd usually chew the rag for awhile, then call QRZ. It was a joy to hand out contacts to some guys who were tuning around and just happened to stumble on the QSO I was having. It wouldn't take long for a huge pileup to form, which I found out very quickly I didn't like to manage. So I'd either go QRT or I'd QSY and surprise another unsuspecting ham.

I didn't mind running a small pileup, where people were actually using their manners. I began asking ops how they found out I was there. Seven out of eight responed &quot;packet cluster&quot;. I learned to despise the packet cluster because it created these huge, unmanageable pileups.

I began to monitor one of the packet cluster nodes (we had internet access for part of the day), and if my callsign appeared, I'd go QRT. Before someone berates me for not having the skill to manage a pileup, let me state that I don't want to manage huge pileups, especially those created by artificial means, e.g. the packet cluster.

Small pileups are fun; those where the participants just happen to come across something interesting. They're even more fun when the participants have modest stations and antennae.

Drew N0XU

w5alt
06-15-2003, 07:36 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (n0xu @ June 15 2003,15:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I didn't mind running a small pileup, where people were actually using their manners. I began asking ops how they found out I was there. Seven out of eight responed &quot;packet cluster&quot;. I learned to despise the packet cluster because it created these huge, unmanageable pileups.
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I know exactly what you mean!

My first operation as DX I got on the air and called CQ, had a nice QSO, signed and all hell broke loose. I figured I accidently got too close to a rare station, so I moved a few kHz and called CQ again. Had another QSO, signed and all hell broke loose again.

Damned luck, I thought. Moved a few kHz and called CQ again. Had another nice chat, signed and all hell broke loose again. Then it finally dawned on me that the pileup was calling ME! I guess I'm just slow sometimes .....

I also learned to despise pileups. I routinely sent my name, QTH, rig, WX, a true signal report and asked the other ops for that info. When others got too antsy and started calling on top of my QSO's, I'd just tell the other station that I was having trouble copying them, please repeat and send multiple times to get through the QRM, which took longer, of course. If that didn't cure the problem, I'd just causually mention that there was too much QRM, so I was going QRT. Much more enjoyable that way.

73,

n0xu
06-16-2003, 02:39 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w5alt @ June 14 2003,13:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I routinely sent my name, QTH, rig, WX, a true signal report and asked the other ops for that info.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I had one op berate me for sending my callsign every QSO...guess I wasn't moving fast enough for him. My understanding of what constitutes a QSO is that callsigns are exchanged. I interpret that to mean every QSO. I know some operators have a different opinion, however...

BTW, my very first HF operation was as a DX. I was a technician until I upgraded 9/19/00, and I deployed to Palmer Station, Antarctica on 9/21/00. A couple of weeks later I was on the air as KC4AAC (the callsign assigned to that particular research station). I'm a longime SWL, so I had an idea of what was to happen, but talk about baptism by fire! Overall, it was a great deal of fun.

73 Drew N0XU