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K0UC
12-24-2009, 10:04 PM
What's the difference between these 2 mikes?

I think they had JM+3U and M+3U as well.

And some without the "U" on the end....

Any comments on how well any of them work? Great, I'm sure.
Turner generally makes good stuff and you can't go wrong.

73
Brady
K0UC

WB2WIK
12-24-2009, 10:35 PM
I think it's just the way the PTT switch is wired up: M+2 wired for relay switched rigs, JM+2 for electronic (solid state) switched rigs.

The mikes themselves, and their internal preamps, are identical I believe.

KD8DEY
12-24-2009, 10:37 PM
I'm not sure BUT I think the 3's had compression?

W9GB
12-25-2009, 12:22 AM
The "M" designates the microphone as a "mobile mike".

Steve, WB2WIK/6 is correct (good memory) about differences in the Internal wiring of the Turner microphones.
The M+2/U has wiring for RELAY switching, while the JM+2/U has wiring for ELECTRONIC Switching.
See Turner Wiring Booklet -- below.

1976 advertisement for the M+2/U
Ceramic cartridge, controllable gain (pre-amp)
http://www.cbgazette.com/turner_ad9.html

The M+3 model added speech compression, as a feature.
Another 1976 advertisement for the M+3
http://www.cbgazette.com/ad_76turnerplus3m.html

Turner M+2U & JM+2U Schematic
http://www.iw7ehc.altervista.org/downloads/microfoni/turner_m+2u_&_j+2u.pdf

Turner M+2 Assembly Pictorial
http://www.iw7ehc.altervista.org/downloads/microfoni/turner_m+2.pdf

Eric Braun's Turner microphone story
http://www.ericbraun.com/turner/

Turner Wiring Booklet
http://www.ericbraun.com/turner/Turner%20Mic%20Wiring.pdf

History by Tom Moss, who worked at Turner, 1952 to Close (1979)
Over one million of the 350C mobile microphones were sold!
http://www.cbgazette.com/history_tommoss-turner.html

Telex purchased Turner from Conrac Corporation and closed the Cedar Rapids plant in 1979.
By end of the 1980s -- most of the Turner designs from the 1970s were eliminated
from the Telex product catalog.

w9gb

WB2WIK
12-25-2009, 12:54 AM
And the preamplified mikes were mostly used by CBers who wanted to sit back two feet away from the mike to talk on the radio.:p

They weren't great, they were actually kind of silly.

When you get that far away from a mike it never sounds good.

AA9WE
12-25-2009, 06:53 AM
As already posted, difference between them is Electronic, and relay switching. Different radios required different switching method. Either mic can be made opposite switching. Details for changing in the manual.

AE5TE
12-25-2009, 09:11 AM
Any comments on how well any of them work?

Way back in those days I had a Turner M+3 and I guess it worked OK - if nothing else they were louder than stock mics. How much of that was speaking voice vs. background noise (or in channel vs. splatter) is the question, and depended a lot on how one chose to operate.

Even their so-called noise cancelling mics (the Road King series) turned the background noise into a god-awful howling/screeching noise if you set the gain high enough. And of course everybody ran at 11 on a scale of 1-10, to try and hit 'em with that extra pound or two.

But the Turner "Power Mikes" were a CB thing FTMP - folks could get that "special" sound without screwdrivering a rig.

I dunno - can you even buy those funky 7V mercury batteries anymore?

K0UC
12-25-2009, 10:08 AM
Thanks for all the replies!

Yeah...like anything...use in moderation. They are CB mikes...though the compressed ones might be OK on HF SSB if properly adjusted.

It's not a mobile mic, but I used to run a Turner SuperSideKick on my HW-100, properly adjusted for excellent audio.

And the batteries...probably not too convenient...espeically these days with prices so high on specialty batteries.

Thanks again....Merry Christmas. I doubt I'll find a JM+2U under the tree, but I can hope! I'm just remembering seeing them in the catalogs when I was a kid. And thinking about them again as I collect some CB gear from the 23 Channel days.

73
Brady
K0UC

W9GB
12-25-2009, 03:24 PM
The Astatic D104M6 and some Turner models used the 7 volt silver-mercury cell.
These are no longer manufactured due to the mercury content / enviromental disposal issues.

The 2 most popular adaptations are:

1. Use a 9-volt battery as a repalcement for the 7 volt battery cell.

2. Power the microphone from the +8 volts available
Check current limit (mA) from radio - usually from 10 to 100 mA to handle the microphone's pre-amp.
Most 8-pin microhpne connectors on VHF/UHF radios have power on a separate pin ---
these pin configurations are NOT standardized by the mfg. --
SO a microphone wired for a Kenwood, will not work for Yaesu, Icom, etc.

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AA9WE
12-26-2009, 07:26 AM
And the batteries...probably not too convenient...espeically these days with prices so high on specialty batteries.

73
Brady
K0UC Actually the batteries are still made, get them from most any battery store, Ebay, or do what I do and use 5 watch type batteries in a stack, tape, or some heat shrinkable material works well to make one.

K6ICB
02-18-2010, 08:56 PM
...or do what I do and use 5 watch type batteries in a stack, tape, or some heat shrinkable material works well to make one.

Hey Robin, Might you have the number and voltage of those specific watch batteries?

Thank you & 73

W9GB
02-18-2010, 09:22 PM
Might you have the number and voltage of those specific watch batteries?
The Turner microphone used a ~ 7 volt mercury cell -- used in a number of cameras of that era.
This battery cell is no longer mfg. due to mercury content.
Many users utilize the common 9 volt battery as a replacement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_%28electricity%29

He stated the usage of FIVE (5) watch batteries to achieve the ~ 7 VDC required.

Watches use only types cell configurations:
Button cells, which are 1.55 VDC Silver Oxide cells OR
Coin cells, which are 3 VDC Lithium cells.

Using the Button cells, that would provide ~ 7.5 VDC

Here is a listing of popular values -- with their height and diameter.
http://www.batterymart.com/c-watch-batteries.html

These cells are readily available at drug stores for hearing aids, calculators and clocks.
IF you go to a Batteries Plus retail store --
http://www.batteriesplus.com/
Our Battery Experts can build batteries for all kinds of products!
They have the equipment to spot weld solder tabs to battery cells --
to build a replacement to meet your size (height and diameter), voltage, and current (mAH) requirements.
http://www.batterymart.com/c-watch-batteries.html

w9gb

AI3V
02-18-2010, 10:07 PM
Thanks Greg,

I followed your links, and to my suprise and pleasure learned that a desk mic I had kicking around but never hooked up is a Turner 250 with a house name on it.

Rege

jimbonz11
03-13-2010, 03:29 PM
Hey Robin, Might you have the number and voltage of those specific watch batteries?

Thank you & 73


I Just bought 2 of the M+2/U mobile hand mikes through e-bay, One still had a battery in it.. They had used 5 #675 watch type batteries with little metal straps either soldered or spotwelded from + to - posts and a paper wrapper around the outside.

I'm going to replace these and check it out today. If I have any problems I will post another. Turner battery replacement posting!

jimbonz11

W9GB
03-13-2010, 05:57 PM
They had used 5 #675 watch type batteries with little metal straps either soldered or spot welded from + to - posts and a paper wrapper around the outside.
That is one approach -- that you can duplicate at the local
Batteries Plus retail store. Here is the STORE LOCATOR web page:
http://www.batteriesplus.com/t-storeloc.aspx

w9gb

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