Ham Radio Saves A Life

[kg4wdx]

It was in the early morning of the 26th of Febuary.. About two in the morning. When I was on way home from the fire house and I was driving on a 2 lane road in southern Mecklensburg County, just south of Charlotte, NC.
There was a lady in a car that ran off the road and hit a tree head on. I stop to help. Now since I am a Fire Fighter/EMT I see this all the time. What I am not use to is not having a cell phone handy. I don't have one anymore. The only thing that I did have was my Icom T-7H HT. I tuned over to the 145.35 repeater and made an emergency call. A gentleman was at home and relayed to information to the CMPD. With in minutes help arrived to the scene and assisted with the patient care. Now I am not sure of that mans call sign. I wish that I was able to remember it. Because of his help the lady is fine and was able to go home that night.

Now I need to thank a few people...
The first one would be my father Daryl N8AID. He kept me interested in ham radio for years and I finally got my ticket not too long ago. For him, I would have not been able to help this lady.
The Second person is the man on the other end of the repeater. If he wasn't around then help would never have arrived.
The Third, is the man who allows us to use his repeater. Thanks

Vincent Popowitch
KG4WDX

[w5qc]

I would like to add a comment, I would like to also thank you sir, for your time and committment to help others. You took the time for the training, and to stop and help this lady and give her care until help arrived. My hat is off to the other people that was involved but also sir, it is off for you also, because you are a hero also.

I thank this country for people like you who risk life and limb for us other everyday Americans.

Thanks again,
Steve Stevenson
W5QC

[KB9YKY]

Nice little story. It is good that someone was up to answer the repeater. But, it certainly didn't save the woman's life.

[KB3GFF]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Nice little story. It is good that someone was up to answer the repeater. But, it certainly didn't save the woman's life.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Isn't it nice that there is always someone out there who can find the negative in every good thing we do.

KB3GFF

"KEEP the CODE"

[KB9YKY]

Nobody brought out anything "negative". I merely pointed out that this big news story is really blowing out of proportion a very minor incident.

[kc2kfw]

Vincent Popowitch;

Although your story was more than likely written - not with the intention for a pat on your back - but to actually thank all those that were involved, I feel compelled to inform you that you were the first step in this event. As with everything in life, if that first step isn't taken, the rest don't occur!

This is one of the biggest reasons why a good portion of us become HAMS... To help others, and at the same time, enjoy a wonderful hobby.

My kudos to you, and all those who helped! 73!

Chris KC2KFW http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[kv4dz]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9YKY @ Feb. 26 2003,12:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Nice little story. It is good that someone was up to answer the repeater. But, it certainly didn't save the woman's life.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Simpleton.

[K2WH]

Ya know, I am getting so used to seeing flames on this site, that when I read the first posting I actually said to myself, "now let's see if anyone is going to bash this one".

Sure enough, it started only a few posters down from the simple human interest story. #Name calling has already started. #And of course, even CW was mentioned by KB3GFF with the "Keep the Code" comment!

Now, let's see if we can twist and evolve this subject all the way around to a code vs no-code discussion as usual. In addition, I'm starting to believe there is actually a sub-culture existing here on QRZ.COM that continually scans posting for comment to fulfill their day.

K2WH

[w7atc]

being first on scene at an accident in a rural place without a cell phone (or cell service) can give you a helpless feeling. until you remember you were in a QSO on a local freq just a few minutes ago.

Kudos to ya. kudos to all hams.

73
kd7evs

'storm chaser or chasee whatever the case may be.'

[KJ7XJ]

Hey Vincent -

#Your the reason why we do what we do buddy! Thanks for the uplifting post. It might be true that the lady would have been ok, however, becasue of your actions with the radio, you could have saved her from further injury. Kudos to you my friend!
# # # # # # # # # # #KJ7XJ - Eric

[NO7S]

You've got to feel sorry for anyone whose entire life revolves around monitoring the "qrz forum" just to get enough publicity to get 1400 + hits on his "qrz callsign" as a technician.

No, actually I feel sorry for the people who live at
19204 N. 900 E. in Oakwood, IL.

Get some sleep, Joe.

[KB9YKY]

Yea, he might have saved her from further injury. She might have gotten the car backed up and on the road again...and weaved down the road until another tree or mailbox jumped out in front of her. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[n7nhs]

Vincent Popowitch
Thank you for this post. You have done something alot of people would not do. May this come back to you many times over and in many ways. 73's

[KB9YKY]

Young Mr Bob, there is no 19204...so you have noone to "feel" badly for from your "studio". http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif When are you kids going to learn to take your pink bonnets off when inside? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[kd5scg]

Why can't we be friends?

[WV8T]

Great little story, glad to hear that you helped someone, however it is a shame that even the topics and forums sections have LIDS!!



Ronnie
WV8T

[KB9YKY]

Send the man a ribbon. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[kc0myy]

wow, I relly liked this story and I will print it off and bring it to school and show some classmates. they don't think ham radio can save lives but THEY DO SAVE LIVES. 73 kc0myy

[kd5sdi]

Does anyone know if the woman would have died? No, but the fact is that when something happens and you intervene the outcome is changed. If the man had done no more than hold her hand until she died, then he shared with her a moment of human kindness. This is trait that I find a severe deficit of in the world today. Never pass up the opportunity for kindness. I am also a paramedic, #and many of my patients would love a second chance at it rather than dying regretful.

[KB9YKY]

The other kids will think you are awful silly. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Nobody's "life was saved" in the little story.

[kd4dll]

Reminds me of a story I heard some time ago when a young girl ran off the interstate into a big ditch (water in it) north of Des Monies IA and wasn't found for 3 days. #This girl had a cell phone but it was out of her reach. #She was trapped in the vehicle and had limited movement. #She survived but golly what she must have been thru.....

The point being is Vincent was able to get help to this person in the shortest amount of time using his radio and that is all that matters. #It could have been worst. #The weather could have been bad, no one would have been out on the road, her injuries could have been life-threatening, she would of been there for a longer period of time, and she could have died.
Hats off to you Vincent!

Dan KD4DLL

[KG4ROT]

Acts of kindness always make the world a better place. #Vincent, glad to have you as a neighbor. If we could just resolve all those potty training issues out in 9 land....well maybe not. It takes all kinds to make a world, you pushed it forward a bit.
Thanks and Wishing you the best from FM06,
Terry
w4rot

[KG4OOA]

I'm glad to hear stories of hams helping others. This is great but there is an important part to additionally consider. While we pat ourselves on the back, has the local news media run anything about this event. Every ham asks how to promote ham radio. I hear this being asked from the internet to halls of ARRL.

This is a great example that may have passed us by. The write up about this simple service may have caused someone (or more than one) to ask themselves how they could get involved in this hobby. How much do you hear about ham radio in the general population. Not very much, I'm afraid. Items like this may just plant some seeds.

With all the concentration on the internet and computers as communications devices, we get left in the dust. The internet and telephone communications are vaunerable to terrorist acts as well as natrual disaster but the average person isn't as aware of this as they should be.

We need every bit of promotion we can get. Promotion is not a dirty word. Don't be afraid to ask for it. We need to let people we exist and that we invite them to join us.

We can continue to pat ourselves on the back and give ourselves at a boys. That's fine but spread the word about ham radio. Get the news in the local newspapers and television news programs! Plant a few seeds!

[N6HBJ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9YKY @ Feb. 27 2003,15:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The other kids will think you are awful silly. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #Nobody's "life was saved" in the little story.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
KB9YKY, #you are not qualified to make that statement unless you were there. Here condition could have been critical and the time saved by early contact of emergency services may have prevented death or permanent disability.

[KD5LJH]

Didn't save the womans life? She had a head on collision! Hello, A head on collision is not A "MINOR INCIDENT." The only way it could be is if she barely hit whatever she hit. But then again, her car ran off the road too. The man who originally wrote this article should be darn proud of himself. This was not blown way out of proportion. This was just right. I applaud just like someone else said too all those people, including the Military too. I happen to be in the latter category. KB9YKY your comment was just unneccessary. The originator was just stating how good Ham Radio could be in and wanted to share it with everyone. As we Navy folks say, Bravo Zulu! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[KC8UGM]

Thanks for posting Vincent.It's nice to see some positive things happening and how a "Ham" handled this situation in a helpfull cool manner.
It's too bad some have nothing better to do than try and put a negative slant on things.
73 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[kc2tr]

KUDOS VINNY: And a BIG well deserved "Slap On The Back"-want it or not-you got it..You used ham radio to help someone, thats all I gotta know. This world is so full of "Idiots" (You know who you are)?. This thread made my day, in fact my week..I enjoy this kind of information, it goes to show everyone that there are folks out there that really care about others. A question to the "Idiot": If that woman was near death, OR if she died, would that make this thread more "Spectacular" than it is now? would that give this thread more credence? More sensationalism? Thank God she is all right thanks to Vincent and others like him that use their knowledge, that care,and use their radio to help. All I can say is: "Amateur Radio SERVICE" End of reply.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9YKY @ Feb. 27 2003,11:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Nice little story. It is good that someone was up to answer the repeater. But, it certainly didn't save the woman's life.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Lets see, we have the statement of a FIREFIGHTER/EMT, a trained professional who was at the scene, who claims that a life was saved, and the statement of YKY, who's qualifications are unkown and would have one heck of a drive to be anywhere near the scene.

I think I know who I will belive. Quality and TIMELY prehospital care does indeed save lives, and as a provider I will take his word that it did in this case.

Unless you have some credentials and firsthand knowledge of the incident that you can produce.

[KA4KOE]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

Well, it seems the inmates are in charge of the asylum. Hmmmm. I would really wonder if some attitudes would change if certain persons were on the receiving end of what our good friend the Samaritan KG4WDX performed the other day....if it was the detractor's head that was bleeding from smashing against the dashboard, or a ruptured spleen, or burns from the explosive in the air bag, or whatever, goodness forbid.

I am sure that all the sour grapes would disappear pretty darn quick.

WDX Good job well done. For a new ham you're justifying why we exist. Be sure to send in a message to your Section manager so this can be recorded.

Philip
I don't need no fists--I've gotta bug.

[lu1yne]

i really cant believe that a**holes like KB9YKY can get a call . i mean damn , where is this word going http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
but to the originator , i will say thank u in name of all common hams , not the IDIOTS ones .

73 ,
LU1YNE

way to go Vincent, a salute to you, who knows what the outcome could have been, you certainly changed what could have been something else, especially with the weather situation in the past few days,

Joe, you need to add in your detailed information your newest upgrade, from jerk to complete jerk, congratulations on your upgrade

[w6th]

Vincent Popowitch,

Thanks for the fine free service and I believe it was worth much to the young lady as well.

Remember the old saying? #"Fireman save my child"

# # # # # # # # #Thanks Vincent for a job well done.

[NO7S]

Well, that didn't work. Maybe we should all do what we've been "trained" to do and, just like the QRM on frequency, ignore it and it will go away.

By the way Vincent, you are our hero; in the same catagory as the Columbia crew. We could only pray to have the opportunity you had to fulfill the original intent of amateur radio.

As for the QRM, let's just hope he isn't the "one" who is monitoring "that" repeater when someone is counting on it.

Bob

My two cents...

This is a great example of how message boards, such as this one, are swamped with the most negative people around.

With that in mind, let us reflect on the "didn't save a life" comment. Let us imagine if the firefighter/EMT had not stopped (if he is off the clock, he does not have a duty to stop and render aid. He decided to do it because, I am sure, he felt it was the right thing to do.) This time, the lady apparently did not have any serious injuries, so everthing worked out ok. However, if she would have had any major problem (long bone fracture, etc.), then time would have been against her. Saving a life is not only about bringing someone back from death (such as a cardiac arrest that recovers after CPR). It is also about the countless times that a simple act has prolonged a persons life and contributed to their well being.

I would caution those who would provide such a flippant response as what has been seen in this thread. And, by the way, I am sure that if that person had been in the car instead, he would have been more than happy to see a Ham show up with the means to get help.

Speaking from experience, even the small things done to help a person in need will, in a sense, prolong their life. Thus, by definition, save a life. I am sure that the lady in the car did not shew him away! Keep up the good work, from one EMT-P/HAM to another!!

Cliff
W4CSG

[k5rna]

KB9YKY is correct in saying no life was saved.He got this info straight from the easter bunny.

[kg4wdx]

I am the one who wrote what happened to the lady.
I bigest thing that I have trouble with.....
Well i cant believe that anyone would have negitivty about helping someone else.
For those who cant grasp what happened...
think of it this way... what happens if it was you mother, daughter, son, or even you... i am the one who climbed down that muddy hill and reached in through the broken window to hold the lady's hand untill the Squad truck arrived to cut you out of the car.
We can sit here and play a Q&A game until were blue in the face, but the simple matter is that i thought it would be nice to share somthing that happened to me. Which is somthing good happening in todays world. If you want to poke and prod at the facts and fine hole to bitch about. Sit down and shut up.... I did not see you there nor do i see you running into the fires when most run away from.

P.S. If you are not a Doctor, EMT, Nurse you can not tell anyone if somthing is life threating or not.

Vincent
KG4WDX
Thanx to all those who have posted the right way!!!
73's

[kg4wdx]

I forgot to add
the trench that the car was in. Was above flood stage and the car was completly cover by water by 6 am.. so ham radio did save her life!

[k5rna]

kg4wdx.Please go back and read m post again.Think you missed what i was getting at.

[K5MAR]

Good job! #Glad you were there and thanks for your hard work and dedication. #Of course you don't see yourself as a hero, it probably never crossed you mind NOT to help. #But your willingness to take the career you have, to learn how to help other people, and to do so even when it's not "work time", is what qualifies you. #The fact that you were able to use Amateur Radio to help is a bit of icing on the cake. #And people wonder why I keep a radio on and tuned to the local repeater (coincidently 145.350!) on my nightstand. #Just one call like this would pay me back bigtime. #Keep up the good work!

Mark Schneider - K5MAR

[KB9YKY]

The story is getting better. Now the young woman, who was out crashing into trees in the middle of the night, was saved from the impending flood. One miracle after another. Good thing WDX came along while in between "running into fires". http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KB9YKY]

Young NA4IT, why did you foolishly imply that I illegally operate on the "cb" band? I do not own a cb antenna, nor any radio that will transmit there. I have never been a CBer. So why did you imply such a foolish thing?

YKY- maybe it was implied because you sound like an idiot. I apologize to the other hams here for this comment but I have been watching this site for some time and it seems that this person is CONSTANTLY belittling other folks who make posts here. If you haven't anything constructive to say why say anything at all. Actually seeing as how he responds to practically every post his knowlege must be huge. Maybe you should write a book, or better yet read one.

Well, you know what they say about 1/2 wits like yky....da apple don't fall far from da tree...hmmmmmmmmm

[VE1IDX]

I think that kb9yky just likes to stir things up on the forum just like some of those "wonderful" operators on 11m do.Lots to say but nothing to contribute.There is one word that I have not seen in any of the above posts unless I missed it but the word is "shock".If that lady did not have life threatening injuries she could have still gone into shock and that can be enough to kill a person even if the injuries that caused it are not that severe.I know.Many years ago I suffered injury to my hand in an industrial accident and started to go into shock.I couldn't understand why everyone was so hyped up about my hand after all it didn't look "that bad".I was half out of it due to shock and am damn glad that my co-workers had the presence of mind to do what had to be done.I have been at the scene of many accidents over the years and never fail to stop if police/EMS are not on scene.I don't know about your laws down there but here in Nova Scotia we are required by law to stop and render any aid we may be able to in the event of an accident.My wife is a nurse and she could actually be charged for not rendering aid to a person in need if someone who knew she was a nurse witnessed her doing nothing while someone lay on the ground dying.Kudos to you Vincent.

[WM5L]

Kudos Vincent. We are allways on duty. Do not listen to the IDIOTS that THINK they know it all but rather the pros that do. Helping people in thier time of need is what it is all about! If everybody would do a good turn daily this world would be a lot better place. Some day the grouchy old nay sayers will need a MICU and when they do let the students use the orange catheters HI HI ...Jim/WM5L/EMT-P

[k4jql]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9YKY @ Feb. 28 2003,03:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The story is getting better. Now the young woman, who was out crashing into trees in the middle of the night, was saved from the impending flood. One miracle after another. Good thing WDX came along while in between "running into fires". http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
KB9YKY, it's better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. #Kudos to all my ham friends who have the stamina and maturity to overlook/ignore the negative comments posted in response to this fine example of Amateur Radio to the rescue. #It's easy to forget that we exist to serve both technically and from a humanitarian view. #I believe many others would have risked their own lives to assist as KG4WDX did, you're in good company. #Thanks KG4WDX for a job well done !!! #Please ignore the simple mindedness of the few, it may well be that forums like this comprise the major portion of their lives, how unfortunate for them. #Let the strong bear the weak and not to please themselves. #Kudos to all of us who keep the spirit of Amateur Radio alive and serving. #
Thanks to the men and women who right now risk their lives on foreign soil to preserve our nation. #GOD BLESS AMERICA, KG4WDX and all like him. #K4JQL http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[KB9YKY]

Why all the name calling, kids? Save the world and get a ribbon too. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KB5DPE]

What I can't understand is, why is anyone paying any attention to YKY. This "person" is obviously one who's opinion has absolutely no value. COME ON guys! Ignore it just as you ignore mosquitos, flies and other vermin.

[W1LKE]

Thank you Vincent for taking the time to care about your fellow human beings.

I agree that you, by far, are in the best position to judge whether a life was saved. As an eighteen year veteran Firefighter, EMT-I, and Paramedic, I know you indeed saved a life. You most likely preserved the golden hour for the paitient, and did what is expected of every EMT, "to reduce the morbidity and mortality of those in need within the community."

My qualifications, for the nay sayers:

Certified firefighter since 1984
Firefighter instructor since 1986
EMT-I since 1986
Paramedic since 1989

My territory consists of Interstates 75, 85, 675, and 285 on the southside of Atlanta. I also am backup to Hartfield (Atlanta) International Airport, being stationed 1/2 mile from the end of the runway.

Thanks to all the positive comments. I wish there were more like you Vincent.

73.

Chris Wilkie
W1LKE
Jonesboro, Georgia

Notice; If while out in you travels, you happen uppon the tail-end of a vehicle sticking out of the woods or a water flooded/or flooding ditch, and operator therin is unable to exit the vehicle, RENDER AID!!!
But first check that rear license plate as you approach, make certain it dosen't read; KB9YKY

KD4JVG

Just kidding with you Joe, I'd be happy to pull you out of your car anytime.

[KB9YKY]

Thanks for pulling me out. If you wouldn't have helped after seeing my license plate, I would have just died. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Here's a better idea...get a cellphone and when you find some wreckless driver that has decided to ram his car into a tree...call the police. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[w8erw]

Vincent,

A nice post indeed and certainly relevant to the hobby. I applaud you for your efforts. Obviously there are those who would detract from the positive use of our hobby in helping others. Perhaps there was another car right behind you that would have helped, perhaps the lady was not critically injured. We could add what if's to infinity here. The point is that you did stop and offer assistance and that is notable.

The warm feeling derived from helping others is one of the elements of amateur radio that provides the positive feedback to all of us who share your interest and are proud of the history and spirit of being a part of the fraternity.

Thanks and 73,

Jim W8ERW
w8erw@arrl.net

[kb2luv]

Thank you Vincent, for stopping to help that lady. Your action and that of the person who answered your call, is what ham radio is all about.

I worked a midnight to 8 AM shift for 12 years at a small business 14 miles from my home in rural upstate New York. At 11:30 PM on snowy roads which NY is famous for, I had many occasions to use ham radio to help stranded motorists over the years. Thank goodness the Skyline Amateur Radio Club 147.180 repeater is equipped with autopatch. And thank goodness the people I stopped to help were, at every occasion, all right, and usually just needed a tow truck or a phone call to a relative.

As for the gentleman who was belittleing Vincent's efforts, I feel sorry for you. We welcomed you in to the Ham radio community without judgement, assuming you, like us, take your privelages to operate (and make no mistake about it, they are PRIVELAGES) and the responsibility that goes with these privelages seriously. Whether you use your skills and privelages to help others or not is your choice, and no ham that I know of is going to think you a lesser ham because you do or do not choose to use them to help people. But please do not belittle those of us who do. And if you need a reason or need to see a benefit to yourself, it FEELS GOOD to help other people. Try it!

[W9WHE]

As a Paramedic, I must echo a previous comment:

"Nice little story. It is good that someone was up to answer the repeater. But, it certainly didn't save the woman's life".

If she went home that same night, she certainly DID NOT have any life-threatening injury. HOWEVER, having said that, praise should STILL be given to the author and the Ham making the call.

[KB9YKY]

Finally, someone else with a little concept of reality.

[AD5JN]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9YKY @ Feb. 27 2003,11:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Nice little story. It is good that someone was up to answer the repeater. But, it certainly didn't save the woman's life.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Hmm, How do you know that saving time didn't save her life? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif I guess your the "Glass is half empty" type.
You also started your message off with very neg. outlook with "Nice little story"
-Ronn

[W5HTW]

As a citizen of this planet, this nation, and this state, I have often stopped to render assistance at both minor and major accidents. Had nothing to do with ham radio, of course. Just that someone needed help and I could offer at least some.

It is nice when we can put ham radio to use in this kind of need. I don't see (and I am NOT suggesting this occurred) the need to run to the newspapers, though, and say "Look what I did." I've never felt that urge - it is just a part of being rersponsible - except perhaps to tell my wife later, if she wasn't with me at the time. Here, since it is of interest to the ham radio hobby, then a bit of horn-tooting is probably deserved, if for no other reason than to say "ham radio did another good deed."

I am encouraged that the original poster tried the cell phone first. While the majority of my contact with serious situations has not been subject to the use of ham radio - didn't have one with me, for example - the cell phone is a first line approach in an emergency. It cuts out the middle man, and puts you in immediate contact with a (hopefully) knowledgeable dispatcher.

But when the cell phone fails, use whatever means is necessary to help with assisting injured parties, including flagging down passing vehicles and asking them to go for help, something I have had to do more than a few times.

In this particular case was the woman's life in danger? I wasn't there and can't tell, so won't attempt to distract from the story by claiming no life was saved. My point is to just say, "thanks" as a citizen of the planet, not necessarily as a ham radio operator, and to reiterate that the cell phone is the first choice for emergency communications, and I will always try it first in any situation I come across. If it fails, then I resort to other means at my disposal, and one of those may be ham radio. Where rapid, commercial and professional help is available by other means, I choose those other means, and this person did, too.

Thanks
Ed

[W9WHE]

TO AD5JN who asks "how do I know that saving time did not save her life". Good question. Here is the answer:

1) More than 45 accredited, college hours training as a paramedic;

2) Licenses to practice advanced pre-hospital care from 3 states;

3) Certifications in a) Advanced Cardiac Life Support (Also an instructor) b) Trauma Life Support;

4) Thousands of actual calls as a paramedic working in both ground and aeromedical ambulances; and

5) My common sence.

Any more questions?

[N6HBJ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W9WHE @ Feb. 28 2003,08:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As a Paramedic, I must echo a previous comment:

"Nice little story. It is good that someone was up to answer the repeater. But, it certainly didn't save the woman's life".

If she went home that same night, she certainly DID NOT have any life-threatening injury. HOWEVER, having said that, praise should STILL be given to the author and the Ham making the call.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Apparently, you are not are very bright paramedic. The man said that by 6http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif0 am the car was completely covered in water.

If no one had stopped (which frequently happens) or no one even saw her due to it being a lightly travelled road, she may have indeed died in that car due to the water rising.

Stop being a jerk.

[N6HBJ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9YKY @ Feb. 28 2003,07:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">#Here's a better idea...get a cellphone and when you find some wreckless driver that has decided to ram his car into a tree...call the police. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
It is impossible for you to say why she crashed. There may have been an animal in the road, or a person, or another car which fled the scene. The woman may have fainted prior to crashing. To assume she was "reckless" isn't fair.

And cellphones don't always work.

[KB9YKY]

Fortunately she had been rescued and was out of intensive care that night, before the great flood in the morning. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KB9YKY]

If there was an animal in the road...she should have hit the brakes...not turn off the road to ram a tree. If she were at home, where decent women are in the middle of the night, she wouldn't have been "fainting" or passing out behind the wheel of an automobile. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[n4hra]

Years ago when I was on the road as a Field Engineer I was in a very rual area of SC. I came across a accident with a injured person. No Cell phoen and no repeater I could reach. I was running HF, so I was able to contact a ham in Chicago who called SC state police and dispatched a officer to the accident.
The officer wanted more infromation on how I called Chicago then the poor injured man in the accident

[lu1yne]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">W9WHE Posted on Feb. 28 2003,10:19
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TO AD5JN who asks "how do I know that saving time did not save her life". Good question. Here is the answer:

1) More than 45 accredited, college hours training as a paramedic;

2) Licenses to practice advanced pre-hospital care from 3 states;

3) Certifications in a) Advanced Cardiac Life Support (Also an instructor) b) Trauma Life Support;

4) Thousands of actual calls as a paramedic working in both ground and aeromedical ambulances; and

5) My common sence.

Any more questions? [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>


it appears that you also have a diploma of OFFICIAL IDIOT ... AND BIGHEADED ...


ED

[K6VB]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9YKY @ Feb. 27 2003,11:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Nice little story. It is good that someone was up to answer the repeater. But, it certainly didn't save the woman's life.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Radio operators with your mentality belong on 11 meters along with the other "Chicken Banders".

Your comments are a disgrace to the hams that take their hobby and its responsibilities seriously.

Jim (K6VB)

[W9WHE]

To Ed, LU1YNE:

ED: Shouldn't you be putting your "huge intellect" to work solving your country's problems rather than demonstrating your ignorance here?

[KB9YKY]

K6VB (another one in Californee http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif ), it is YOU who has the cb/react mentality. Now go put on your little hard-hat, vest, and patches and get out there and save the world so that you too can get a ribbon from the governor. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KB2KAB]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9YKY @ Feb. 28 2003,13:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
GREAT JOB! I HOPE THAT WHO EVER READS THIS, INCLUDING THE BASHERS, THAT IF THEY GOT HURT AND FOR WHAT EVER TOOK PLACE THEAT SOMEONE COMES TO THIER AID. MANY TIMES A PERSON GETS HURT IN A PLACE WHERE THEY HAVE NO PHONE OR THEY ARE UNABLE TO CALL FOR HELP. I HOPE THAT ALL THE BASHERS ON THIS THREAD UNDERSTAND THAT IT COULD HAPPEN TO THEM AT ANYTIME, ANYWHERE. I HOPE FOR THIER SAKE THAT SOMEONE LIKE YOU RESPONDS TO THEM, BECAUSE THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE RESPONSE THIS WOMEN HAD. REMEMBER YOU ONLY HAVE THAT GOLDEN HOUR. AGAIN GREAT JOB

RETIRED -- N.Y.C.P.D.

[W1LKE]

To quote your arrogant ass:

"If there was an animal in the road...she should have hit the brakes...not turn off the road to ram a tree."

First it is a common reaction of most drivers to swerve if they see something suddenly in the roadway, even if it is a squirrel. Many FATAL accidents occur that way everyday. But then you are probably one of those jerks that swerve and try to run over the hapless animal.


To quote you again:

"If she were at home, where decent women are in the middle of the night, she wouldn't have been "fainting" or passing out behind the wheel of an automobile."

My mother was a decent woman, and worked 4-5 12 hour shifts a week to raise four children without the support of our father. Her shift ran from 4 p.m. until 4 a.m., putting her on the road in the middle of the night. I believe you got upset over another's implication toward you, yet you do not merely imply that she was not decent, you said all women out at night are not decent.

I do not know what rock you crawled out from under, but why don't you take that rock, tie it to your foot, and throw it into the river. Do humanity a favor.

C. Wilkie

[AE6HR]

KG4WDX, I had the chance to post right after you post the story. I didn't. I wasn't quite sure what to say. Whatever the story, whatever the circumstances; thank you. You served the world well. If you did it for the glory, I don't really care, you still did us all a favor. Personally, having known some firefighters, I think the glory hunting, if ever a reason, dies quickly or else the fighter quits or dies. Again, thank you.

I have been interested in such uses of HAM radio for a long time. I have only seen recent (last 10-20 years) stories mentioning voice. Are digital modes of any kind ever helpful these days? No, this isn't a lets argue, I am wondering if there have been such stories. They may have very interesting and intriguing twists, so I am drawn to know.

Again, nice job WDX.

[K0RGR]

WDX - keep up the good work and don't let anybody say otherwise

[NO7S]

Seriously you guys...ignore the QRM. If this were an amateur frequency we would not be giving him the time of day! QSY to another topic or reply to the original post. Like his impotent little signal and 11 meter mentality, you'll all get over it.

[KB9YKY]

Good God, these kids sure do seem to feel the need to be of great importance. They just go nuts because somebody points out that some minor incident was NOT a life and death emergency. In a real emergency these over-reactive types with such wild imaginations sure would make a mess of things. For crying out loud, if you want a ribbon...go to a trophy store and buy yourselves some. Get an assortment. Pick up some medals to. Have them say "HERO", "LIFESAVER", and "I RUN THROUGH FIRE". Then when you enter a room, everyone will know...and will stand to applaud,pat you on the back, shake your hand, and ask for your autographs. No doubt, WDX's picture will probably be on the cover of the next TIME magazine.

Hello Vence, well I just want to say thanks for what a nice man you were to stop and help that ady. it is to bad that there is so manny roten guys that is just jelouse of what other nice fellows do they are just so rotten god bless what you did , J,D, KCØBD http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KB9YKY]

What is really "rotten" is when someone disrespects God's name by spelling it with a small "g". Must be a lib.

[ke4pjw]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9YKY @ Feb. 27 2003,17:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Good God, these kids sure do seem to feel the need to be of great importance. They just go nuts because somebody points out that some minor incident was NOT a life and death emergency. In a real emergency these over-reactive types with such wild imaginations sure would make a mess of things. For crying out loud, if you want a ribbon...go to a trophy store and buy yourselves some. Get an assortment. Pick up some medals to. Have them say "HERO", "LIFESAVER", and "I RUN THROUGH FIRE". Then when you enter a room, everyone will know...and will stand to applaud,pat you on the back, shake your hand, and ask for your autographs. No doubt, WDX's picture will probably be on the cover of the next TIME magazine.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Geez, I though the guy was giving anecdotal evidence that good things can happen because of ham radio and wanted to thank the people that allowed that good to happen in a public way. He didn't come off as some type of glory seeking ambulance chaser to me.

It was a nice story.

[KB9YKY]

I also thought it was a nice story. I said so at the beginning. But the guy is indeed seeking glory by saying he saved her life when that was not the case at all. Then he had to blow the story up bigger with the big "flood"...and with that total silliness about how he goes "running into fires". The guy is wacked out.

[wb0whm]

Thanks, Vincent, for the good work and for also saying thanks to the others who helped. BTW everyone, I hear a little QRM in the background: ignore it and it will go away. #73, Jeff/wbØm

[KB9YKY]

Will the President be coming in for the award ceremony and the parade? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[ellisdee]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9YKY @ Feb. 28 2003,18:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Will the President be coming in for the award ceremony and the parade? :D[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
No, but he'll be at yours to give you the idiot of the year award.

[KB9YKY]

Maybe he will attend yours also...when you are awarded a callsign, Ellis. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[ellisdee]

I've got one I've had for 11 years, I just refuse to share it with idiots like you.

[K4KB]

First, thanks to Vincent, KG4WDX for your quick response and oustanding service to the community.

To: KB9YKY, child, your posts on this board are:

"A rainstorm of words on a dessert of ideas"

'nuff said

K4KB

[NO7S]

I GIVE UP!

[w5lda]

holy cow!,,,,with people like yky,,,it makes me think twice about taking my test.why does the moderators put up with him and his idiocy?maybe if he would say something constructive on here,,somebody could actually say they like him.but i doubt that would ever happen as he's buried his foot so deep in his mouth ,its totally pathetic,,,,

a dollar says he's gonna bash me for not having my ticket yet,,,,but someones big mouth never did bother me!

[KB9YKY]

Oklahoma, you don't need a callsign. Ellis says he has been a ham for 11 years without one. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KC9AIE]

A pitty you LIDS have to make an arguement out of everything, and only see the negative. Hey YKY, okay, lets expand reality for a minute and say that he didn't save her life, and might as' well not called for help on the radio...

Maybe someday when you slam head-on into a tree, we should extend you the same courtesy! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif


Get a life, and go upgrade!

[k8cpa]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ellisdee @ Feb. 27 2003,20:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9YKY @ Feb. 28 2003,18:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Will the President be coming in for the award ceremony and the parade? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
No, but he'll be at yours to give you the idiot of the year award.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
well, what more can you expect from a NO-CODE 2 meter pencil necked geek ham?

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[n6yvy]

When we respond to YKY it must make him feel good. I think we should just shine him on. Because it just brings out the worst in our selves. And there is need to use four letter words.

Bob N6YVY

[KC9AFN]

Hmmmmm. Going on 4 years and still a no code tech. Well the code test is tough. Enough about that. My respect goes to anyone who goes out of their way to help someone else in this life. It's too short anyway, and negative comments just make it worse.

[KG4ROT]

Well...there's one thing for sure. Its all out there...good and bad. #Help somebody when they need it. Practice your cw. Hold your head up, cause we all stand in our own crap. Been there, done that.
Peace to all...eventually.
Terry
w4rot

[W5HTW]

No WONDER 75 meters sounds so tame these days -- all the creeps are on QRZ. Thank you!!!

73
Ed

[arullo123]

KB9YKY,
I hate to tell you how much i hate to reply to stupid people's posts in any forum but i cant help it. This isnt as insignificant as someone putting down a favorite actor, or disagreeing with someones assesment of a movie. What our EMT Vincent did was beyond my conception. I can barely do anything but reiderate what others have said but i am going to do it anyways! All of you who are reading these things multiple times i apoligize but it needs to be said.
As far as i am concerned you cannot make a valid assesment of the situation unless you were there. You could be chief of staff at cooke county hospitol but, i think Vincent would agree, there is, in this situation, no information like you can gather being there.
This is not being blown out of proportion. It is important that things like this are done. If he had a cell phone would that make it any different? Of course not. The fact that he stopped is the most important thing here. The fact that it was ham radio that helped is just testiment to ham radio's usefullness.
I truley belive that Vincent wasnt even looking for a pat on the back, which he truley desirves, he was just trying to tell a story.
There is more but i dont want to go over the 76800 limit which i havent but could easily do in this case. Thanks to Vincent and all those who risk there lives everyday to save other people.
The good thing about you KB9YKY, is that you are predictable. For instance i can expect some sort of stupid a*s response from you telling me that once again you are right and everyone else is wrong. It must be excillent to always be right. Congratulations!
I close with a request from myself to Vincent. You are an EMT so:
SAVE KB9YKY FROM HIMSELF STAT. A COUPLE HINDRED CC's OF DUCT TAPE SHOULD DO THE TRICK. COME ON VINCENT, DONT WAIT FOR IT. SAVE HIM BEFORE HE MAKES HIMSELF LOOK ANY MORE LIKE AN A*S OR SHOVES HIS FOOT SO FAR DOWN HIS THROAT THAT HE CANT GET IT OUT.
God save the ARRL from people like this!

73
Alex, KB1JLU

[arullo123]

"...go to a trophy store and buy yourselves some. Get an assortment. Pick up some medals to. Have them say "HERO", "LIFESAVER", and "I RUN THROUGH FIRE"

I am no biographer but knowing that Vincent is a firefighter/EMT, and knowing firefighters/EMT's he has probably literaly run through fire many times. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU DID?

[n6yvy]

AMEN
To the powers that control the posts please end this thread. Before YKY has a stroke. Or someone else!

[KB5DPE]

Don't end this thread now! What we need to do is email each other directly and set up a schedule so that someone posts a compliment to WXD each hour on the hour. This will keep YXY up 24/7, making sarcastic answers to these posts. Now, we see how long he can keep this up. If we're lucky, he'll pass out from exhaustion; and we'll be rid of him. What say? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[w5lda]

dpe,,,sounds good to me,,,what shift ya want me to take?,,,,,,,,lol

Hey YKY try www.fugly.com...saw your picture there.
oklahoma steel the only reason qrz, or any other website, lets this crap go on is the hit counter....the more hits the more $$$$ they make from the advertisers.

[n6yvy]

No they will shut it down. They did on another thread because of yky. check this one out

http://www.qrz.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST&f=3&t=29350


this was all because of KB9YKY.

This is what qrz said:
This Thread has been closed and certain inappropriate postings removed. #Please remember that QRZ members range in the age of 12 years old to 100+. #It is a sad state of affairs when a posting started about Boy Scouts becomes a name calling match between ADULTS.

[ke4pjw]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (n6yvy @ Feb. 28 2003,21:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">No they will shut it down. They did on another thread because of yky. check this one out

http://www.qrz.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST&f=3&t=29350


this was all because of KB9YKY.

This is what qrz said:
This Thread has been closed and certain inappropriate postings removed. Please remember that QRZ members range in the age of 12 years old to 100+. It is a sad state of affairs when a posting started about Boy Scouts becomes a name calling match between ADULTS.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
It's not all his fault. I am to blame as well. I fed the toll and feel really bad about getting the thread shut down. If I would have ignored him, the thread could have continued.

[NO7S]

I'm not interested in "the last word..."
But I hope this is.
I tried giving my humble suggestion.
Maybe the next time the QRM starts up, (and you know it will), we will not respond to it and Joe will be left to amuse only himself.


Closure,
Bob

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9YKY @ Feb. 27 2003,12:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Nobody brought out anything "negative". I merely pointed out that this big news story is really blowing out of proportion a very minor incident.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
It's not really a big news story. It's only a start to this forum which was posted, sort of like the posts from the rest of us. All the discussion forums are started that way.

[KB3JDU]

I honestly do not understand something here. I just got my ticket this past week after being bugged about it for years, and seeing all of this bashing amongst HAMS has really turned my nose up about all of this. We are all supposed to be amateurs here, aren't we? That should be something that we all take pride in and enjoy the privileges that non-amateurs do not have. Reading all the comments about "saving a life" I believe that a life was saved, given the situation, and I don't think it was appropriate for people to start bashing. I'm not one to go name calling and belittling the ones that start the nonsense, but I think that as amateur's, we should act accordingly.

[AJ5TT]

Jodi (KB3JDU),

Congrats on getting your HAM ticket. #In reality, there are many great HAMS in the community. #As with any cross section of society, some are contributors and some should just be ignored. #I hope you continue with being a HAM. #You will find that it is an interesting hobby/service. #The vast majority of HAMS are good people. Do not let the 1%'er distract you. #To add.. congrats to the effort of Vincent, a contributor.

73
John - AJ5TT

[kd7pxm]

Good job, well done. I am a ham, I was a paramedic on 4000+ ambulance runs. If the lady is alive you certainly should take pride in your help. The real successes are those times when it never really gets that bad because of your early intervention. While you did not write the details (great respect for patient privacy...) it doesn't mean you weren't one of the central figures in her survival. But then, you know that, and all the denials of others will never take from you the truth. You were there. You saw. You acted. Thank you.
kd7pxm ...been there, know the truth...

[n2obm]

Good Job! and...

Keep the Code alive.....the Amateur's Code that is!

The Radio Amateur is:

PATRIOTIC.... station and skill always ready for service to country and community.

Considerate.....never knowingly operates in such a way as to lessen the pleasure of others.

Good words to follow.
The original Amateur's Code was written by Paul M. Segal, W9EEA, in 1928.

[arullo123]

KB3JDU
Congratulations on your license and you new call! I as well just got my ticket and call (soon to change my QRZ call to match). It is an exciting feeling to know that you are oficially part of something larger than all of us.
Hams come from all walks of life and are of many different personalities. We come from from many different economic circumstances. Some own a $60 VHF/UHF HT and some own an $800 HF rig. The thing about this hobby is that it doesnt matter what your economic situation is or what your ethnicity is.
We are all part of this sub-culture of ham operators because we enjoy it. We are interested in the advancement of science and helping others. This particular thread was of the later. There are other threads that range from finding an economically sound deal on a rig to "homebrewing".
It is a said state of affairs when one or more people hinder the communication between hams. The FCC cannot do anything about it on QRZ but there are places that are set aside for the communications between hams. Those are our free airways. Within the band-plans we are able to communicate effectively whether it is to help someone with homework or to coordinate relief efforts in a disaster area. Those who cause interference of an intentional or unintentional manner will be dealt with.
We are lucky that in this day 'n' age we are allowed to operate. We are licensed to show that we have, through hard work, earned the privilage of using these bands that have been set aside for us.
This is very exciting for me because, although i have been looking foward to my license for a while, i now have it. I can finally refer to this ham society with the pronoun we because i am truly part of something bigger than me. So are you Jodi! There will be times when someone will make you wonder why you bother. But look at the title of the thread you posted in! Thats just one of the many reasons why we bother!
Dont let those that do not best represent the ham community deter you. For every one of those that represent the rude and ignorant portion of hams, there are 400 times as many hams that uphold the highest values of this community. I am proud and honored to be part of it! You should be too!

73 and God bless,
Alex, KB1JLU

[KB3JDU]

Well I thank everyone for the congrats that came in my direction. It is truly a pleasure and honor to be a part of the whole. And I understand completely that there are a lot of decent HAMS out there, I talk to several of them every day that curb their original lifestyle to fit the mold of the HAM operator. My husband bugged me for the past 7 years to get my ticket, his persistance paid off. But I just don't see the appropriateness of people coming on here to belittle others, if that's what people want to do, they should find a newsgroup or whatever to talk nonsense on, instead of giving the good HAMS a bad name. I do not plan on letting it get the best of me, I just would like to see the true, honest good side of being an amateur portrayed to the best of the evils.

73's

Jodi

[K9DRX]

KB9YKY = jack-ass, dickhead, moron, and whatever else you call a person who needs a life and gets attention by being all of the above.

What's your problem dude? The guy is showing the most important reason to have a transciever = TO PROVIDE COMMUNICATIONS IN AN EMERGENCY.

Get your jollies hazing people face to face and see how long you last.

[KD7LDH]

YKY, Would you rather he not called and he just drove away..... The lady would of died of hypothermia, etc.

Most importantly, he did provide help.... Head on's are pretty bad (think mechanism of injury)........


Put yourself in that lady's shoes.... You just slammed a tree.... Some off duty firefighter / EMT comes over.... Now, if he didn't have a ham radio all he could of done was held c-spine for up to several hours till help came by, Now that would stink....








-KD7LDH

[W7ENK]

I was going to say something really nice about the original post, but whatever. #I don't care anymore after having read all that. #It's not like it matters anyway. #this post will probably be closed by the time I hit the "Add" button.

I was thinking about how nice and admirable it was to hear about someone helping out a fellow human being, but what's the point, anyway. #She may have had an attitude toward others just like some of the people here. #Maybe then Vincent KG4WDX wouldn't have wanted to help her if he had known that she'd go on to trash talk the person who saved her life.

Think about that...

Good night. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[KB9YKY]

When will the amazing story be airing on 60 Minutes and Dateline? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[kb9lor]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9YKY @ Feb. 28 2003,03:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Young NA4IT, why did you foolishly imply that I illegally operate on the "cb" band? I do not own a cb antenna, nor any radio that will transmit there. I have never been a CBer. So why did you imply such a foolish thing?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Duh...might be cause you have the manners of one!


Mike

YOWSA I SAY GOOD OLE QRZ MADE A FORTUNE ON THE HIT COUNTER ON THIS THREAD...KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK YKY..AND 10-4 AND ALL THEM BIG NUMBERS TO YOU. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[w5lda]

it really amazes me as to how many idiots can fit into such a small space,,,"you know who you are"

[W9WHE]

W1LKE says:

"You most likely preserved the golden hour for the paitient, and did what is expected of every EMT, "to reduce the morbidity and mortality of those in need within the community."


FIRST: The "golden hour" refers to those with internal bleeding, which ALLWAYS requires surgical exploration and repair of the internal injury causing the bleeding. Statistically, in auto accidents, that means #1 splenic or #2 hepatic injury. IF there was a chest injury, then we are talking about major vessel, ie aortic, pulmonary or lung contusion/pneumothorax.

SECOND: If the woman had internal bleeding (as shown by perotineal lavage or abdominal rigidity), then surgical exploration/repair would have been undertaken and she would NOT have been discharged the next day.

THIRD: If she had an airway problem she would have been dead in far less than One hour.

So many people claim to know what they are talking about. So few actually do.

For those with the idea "my god- its a head-on it must be bad"....I say, unless you know the speed at impact AND the rate of decelleration, then you don't know the TRUE impact force....which is what REALLY produces injury.

I repeat. The author is to be commended for helping a fellow human being in a time of need. We should all be so willing to help. let's not exaggerate to the point of fantasy!

[W9WHE]

Oklahomasteel was right when he said:

"it really amazes me as to how many idiots can fit into such a small space,,,"you know who you are" .

Vehimently arguing a position on a topic for which you have no clue what you are talking about merely makes you look silly!

And you know who you are!

[KB3GFF]

Wow, I'm gone for a couple days and what should have been a good publicity post has turned into one of the worst threads I've ever seen. As much as I would like to rip kb9yky(aka QRM) a new one, I wont sink to his level. I just think its a shame that one good deed by one ham has brought out the worst behavior in dozens more. This constant back and forth between you all is not making it easy to attract others to our hobby. If you all had spent this time working the WWDX Contest this weekend you would have brought the Amateur Radio Service much better attention. How many of you did participate this weekend? I was out there, set up in a somewhat public place, trying to raise awareness for what we all do. Even though I didn't make many contacts(random wire antennas suck when propogation isnt good) I still managed to get some people interested. So let me close by saying shame on all of you who have participated in this flaming, you've done yourselves, your hobby, and the Amateur Radio community a great disservice.

KB3GFF

"KEEP THE CODE"

[KD7UKT]

I have only one comment to add to all the QRM around here...

I know which ham I would rather have driving by any accident I may be in, and it ain't KB6YKY.

David, KD7UKT

[W9WHE]

Greg (KB3GFF):

What makes you think that contests further the interests of Ham radio? Contests are HIGHLY DEVISIVE events. They turn 20 Meters into 11 meters. CQ CONTEST CQ CONTEST, your 5/9 Illinois brings amateur radio "better attention"? I'm sorry, but I'm just not able to see it. BUT I digress.....

The author's acts further Ham radio. He did what anyone with a cellphone could have done, but he did it with a ham radio. I'm glad he did. But it seems many people in these "media hype" days love to exaggerate the significance of everything, as if exaggeration were the only way to get attention. The author did a good thing. He helped someone in need. But let's not exaggerate a good thing into "saving a life". Let's call it what it is, helping a fellow human being in an urgent time of need.

Examples of saving a life:
a) Performing CPR on a pulseless person;
b) pulling an unconscious person from the water;
c) shooting a gang-banger before he kills a child;.
d) catching a child thrown from a 3rd story window;
e) snatching a child from the street before a bus runs him down.

Now, I ask you, does calling the police for a person without life threatening injuries belong on that list? I don't think so. But then again, I'm just a paramedic, not a hero-ham!

[KB9YKY]

Now that's putting things in their proper perspective. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[kd4dll]

I THINK IT IS WAY PAST TIME FOR THIS THREAD TO BE CLOSED!!!

Enough is enough.

Dan KD4DLL

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[N6HBJ]

W9WHE, you have missed the point.

The plain simple fact is that the woman would have drowned if she was stuck in her car and no one found her, especially at 2http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif0 am when many roads are deserted and the water level was rising eventually covering her car. So her life was saved!

You as a professional may recognize that she had no serious injuries from the description of the event, but most people here are lay people regarding medicine so it is not fair to expect them to be technically correct. So they may have assumed she was saved from serious injury when the reality was that she was actually saved from drowning. What IS important is that SHE WAS SAVED SOMEHOW. And HAM radio played a part in it!

Let me repeat that:
WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS THAT SHE WAS SAVED SOMEHOW. AND HAM RADIO PLAYED A PART IN IT!

So please stop trying to impress everyone with your technical knowledge. I'm ready to barf already!

[KB3GFF]

W9WHE,
#I would have to say that when people start asking questions about how radio waves can travel all over the world, and ask how I got my ticket, and whether or not it's hard, they are showing interest in Ham Radio. As far as comparing 20M to 11M, not one time over the 48 hour period did I hear the phrases: "Good Buddy", "Breaker Breaker", "Whats your 20", or any of the 4-letter words you hear on CB. Besides, we all have our own opinions of what is best for Amateur Radio. I like contesting, HF ragchewing, and straight key CW. Others like PSK 31, satellites, EME, and other high tech stuff.
#I would have to agree with you saying that the authors acts further Ham radio. He did do, with radio, what most others would do with cell phones. As far as the argument earlier about why doesn't Vincent just get a cell phone. My opinion on that is a phone costs $30-$40 a month, and my HT cost me $100 and that was it, so after 3 months it paid for itself. As far as exaggerating the story, the original posting did not sound like Vincent saved that womans life, however, if you read through the thread he says that car was in a drainage ditch, and was covered by water later that morning. So that's open to interpretation. Where I live in Maryland, we had an accident where a woman hit a telephone pole and was not seriously injured. She managed to call 911 from her cell phone, but by the time they got there, her car had been struck by a drunk driver leaving the bar down the road, and she was killed. I know that is an extreme case, but it could happen. So I think that we can't really say that Vincent saved her life, but in the same respect, we also can't say he didn't save her life.
#I don't think you understood the point of my message. I am not trying to fuel an out of control fire. I am only trying to point out that with increasing competition from other technologies and expanding commercial/government interests in usable frequencies, hams need to band together to protect our hobby, and promote it to tomorrows generation to make sure when we SK the Amateur Radio Service doesn't

KB3GFF

"KEEP THE CODE"

[KB9YKY]

Anybody serious about saving lives would pay the $30-$40 per month for the cellphone. There are many rate plans for half that amount and less. If Vincent had not come along, someone else would have before the morning "flood".

[KD7LDH]

YKY,

Why pay that every month when I could buy a nice ham rig (with out of band mods so in a situation where help is needed ASAP and no hams are availible [not what is called a "stay and play"]) once and have fun....


KD7LDH acknoledges he just threw gasoline on the fire:-)



-KD7LDH

[KB9YKY]

Why pay? That's easy. TO SAVE ALL THOSE LIVES OUT THERE. No serious lifesaver would go out on patrol without his trusty cellphone. You just can't count on CBs and repeaters when you're out there saving all those people. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[arullo123]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB3GFF @ Mar. 03 2003,11:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Wow, I'm gone for a couple days and what should have been a good publicity post has turned into one of the worst threads I've ever seen. As much as I would like to rip kb9yky(aka QRM) a new one, I wont sink to his level. I just think its a shame that one good deed by one ham has brought out the worst behavior in dozens more. This constant back and forth between you all is not making it easy to attract others to our hobby. If you all had spent this time working the WWDX Contest this weekend you would have brought the Amateur Radio Service much better attention. How many of you did participate this weekend? I was out there, set up in a somewhat public place, trying to raise awareness for what we all do. Even though I didn't make many contacts(random wire antennas suck when propogation isnt good) I still managed to get some people interested. So let me close by saying shame on all of you who have participated in this flaming, you've done yourselves, your hobby, and the Amateur Radio community a great disservice.

# # # # KB3GFF

# "KEEP THE CODE"[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
He is right. I am ashamed of my participation in this futile battle between logic, intelect, and ego. I have not helped attract members to this great hobby. I apologize for not acting any better than kb9yky in this matter.
Once again, I was wrong to participate and apologize. I commend Vincent for his actions.

THIS WILL BE MY LAST POST!

Gooday all

KB1JLU

[KB9YKY]

"Intellect" is spelled like this, smart boy. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[N9TGW]

Can the web master PLEASE block KB9YkY from existing in the real world?
In a time where many people cant afford to pay the ACTUAL costs of a cell phone and when EMTs/ Parameds are under paid, what give this jerk the right to belittle the first responder?

I cant help but think this small minded critic just might be responsible for one or two vehicles being in a ditch himself.

[Elwood]

KG4WDX,
Great story! It's because of hams like you that I'm studying to get my ticket.


KB9YKY,
Please punch yourself in the balls.

Elwood

[W7ENK]

LOL!!!

Nice!

That's friggin' hilarious!!!

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[KE6PKJ]

Elwood, he can't punch himself in the balls, He doesn't have any!

[w5lda]

with ky in his call,,i'm sure he can borrow some

[KB9YKY]

Hmmm....Lots of CB talk on here. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[W9WHE]

N6HBJ says:

"You as a professional may recognize that she had no serious injuries from the description of the event, but most people here are lay people regarding medicine so it is not fair to expect them to be technically correct".

EXACTLY MY POINT!

So....why do so many people with so little knowlege argue so vehimently a position that they know so little about?
My theory: Because liberals just "feel" what is right rather than "think" about what is right.

[K9DRX]

OK everyone... STOP

As you can see, this YKY character is the type who gets his jollies by aggravating people on forums such as this. He's probably unzipping his pants right now as he reads my post and thinks up another "I'll win every time" reply.

Please no longer respond to this jack-ass as he has no business in this forum or amateur radio for that matter. I just hope he talks face to face with people like he does here because eventually, if not many times already, he'll go home crying.

[KB9YKY]

Hmmm....K9DRX...another fine young CBer. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KG6OPR]

Maybe its time to change yky's Pamper. Or better yet keep the Pamper and throw yky out! The Pamper has a better stink!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[WM5L]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Elwood @ Mar. 03 2003,20:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">KG4WDX,
Great story! It's because of hams like you that I'm studying to get my ticket.


KB9YKY,
Please punch yourself in the balls.

Elwood[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
That is the funniest thing I have ever seen on QRZ! Kudos to Elwood

[KB9YKY]

That Elwood,hee-hee-hee. That boy is a regular Richard Pryor. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[W7FCB]

Good grief guys, why all the discussion? Can't we just say, "Thank you, sir, for having the human decency to stop and help someone in trouble", and let it go at that?
Rudy, W7FCB

[N6HBJ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W9WHE @ Mar. 04 2003,08:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">#

So....why do so many people with so little knowlege argue so vehimently a position that they know so little about?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
And why do you my friend, have such a strong desire to point out that everyone is technically incorrect when the REAL ISSUE was that HAM radio worked to save someone regardless of the exact mechanism?

The morrow of this story is that HAM radio saved a life. Who cares about the technical aspect.

The reason they argue is that this "yky" individual is inflammatory and insulting to everyone but you are too darn dense to even realize it because you are too busy looking in the mirror trying to impress yourself by letting everyone know how much smarter you are then them. Meanwhile the REAL issue just shot over your head.

This isn't an EMS forum. So please take all your certifications and experience up there (along with your ego) and go try to impress a trauma surgeon or something. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[w5lda]

dang,,,i felt that and it wasn't even directed to me http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[kd5vez]

Group,

The specifics of what happened that early morning of the 26th, are of small consequence when measured against the good sir's choice to stop and render aid. #Perhaps he did save her life, and perhaps he didn't. #I am one of those "yeomen" who do not have a perfect understanding of the intricacies of first-response care -- I will not argue who is right or wrong about a life being saved. #I will say, that I believe the originator of this post did the RIGHT thing, by stopping, and making an effort to extricate the lady from what was -- shall we say -- a less than desireable situation. #That willingness on his part to help, that choice he made (ingrained behavior or not!-- he had a choice!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif, is a trait that should be graciously acknowledged and even encouraged in every Ham Radio operator, not just ones that happened to be trained in First Aid, or Emergency Communications etcetera etcetera etcetera. #That spirit is what I wish to commend in the gentleman -- it does not need to be qualified by whether or not he saved a life. #Those of you who choose to look up my call sign after reading this will find that I am quite young, and have only had my license a short while. #I need neither considerable age nor experience in ham radio to recognize integrity or virtue (or the lack of it) in a human being. #It has been said that when things are at their worst, humans are at their best. #I should think even KB9YKY might find a modicum of pride in that. #When feasts are held to remember good deeds, there will always be those who feel compelled to serve humble pie instead. Upon close examination of my years, short though they may be, such appears to be the way of things. I personally can't rationalize spending my time defaming others, when I could be concentrating on their strengths. It would be purely a waste of my time. The gentleman who originated this topic may not be perfect, but in my book he is far above average. #I'm curious to know, now, whether or not the pissing contest will continue.

Strength and Honor,
A. M. Taylor
KD5VEZ

"People are much like stained glass windows in that when the light without grows dim, it is those who posses a light within, that become truly beautiful."

[KD7UKT]

KD5VEZ,

Young you may be in years, but old are you in wisdom. I doubt that a better post could be written.

Carry on, young Jedi. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[9v1sm]

Great job Vincent. Way to go!
73
Sasi
9V1SM

[W9WHE]

N6HBJ says:

"The "morrow" of this story is that HAM radio saved a life. Who cares about the technical aspect".

First off, "morrow" means "tomorrow"...so I'm not really sure what the heck you mean.

Second, you state:

"you are too darn dense to even realize it because you are too busy looking in the mirror trying to impress yourself by letting everyone know how much smarter you are then them. Meanwhile the REAL issue just shot over your head".

Your personal attacks on me reval your charecter.

Third, my credentials were posted in response to a challenge to MY qualifications to opine that the woman's life was saved. Not for my own benifit. I posed them to seperate me (the medically knowlegeable) from people like you (who are not).

Fourth, you continiously ignore my only point. The underlying premise (and the title) of the story is not accurate. That is my only point. For reasons you have not yet articulated, you vehimently refuse to accept reality and prefer to personally attack me. Your Clintonian approach is glaring. Why do you steadfastly cling to incorrect facts? Mabey its because you are a San Francisco liberal... who "feels" rather than "thinks"...I don't really know.

I will say this once again. The author did a good thing. He helped a fellow human being in a time of need. He did it with a Ham radio, and that's also good. I'm glad he did it. But let's not exaggerate....."saving a life"...I don't think so.

Sixth, I don't see anybody with ANY real medical qualifications supporting your position. Your opinion is not necessaraly invalid. However, it is uninformed because you lack an adequate knowlege (medical) basis for your opinion. But then again, I sometimes forget, liberals don't need a logical basis for their opinions..they know what they know because they "feel it". Facts are irrelevent!

[N6HBJ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W9WHE @ Mar. 05 2003,08:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">First off, "morrow" means "tomorrow"...so I'm not really sure what the heck you mean.

I posed them to seperate me (the medically knowlegeable) from people like you (who are not).

. The underlying premise (and the title) of the story is not accurate.

But let's not exaggerate....."saving a life"...I don't think so.

you lack an adequate knowlege (medical) basis for your opinion.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
1.Let me replace the word "morrow" with the word "lesson." Get it now dweeb?

2. The original poster came back and indicated that the woman's car was completely COVERED IN WATER by 6http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif0 am. If this woman was unable to get out of car and no one else came by she would have drowned. So yes her life WAS SAVED. If you can't see that, then you really are DUMB!-duh! Either that or you must have thought the woman was really a mermaid.


3. You have no idea whether or not I am medically qualified. Like most know it alls, you make assumptions and walk around with your head up your ass. I don't feel a need to show off like you by listing my medical biography and all those little 1 day certs you have like ACLS/BLS-BIG DEAL! It would be enough simply to say you are a paramedic. Instead, you give us a 1000 page biography - BARF! And it doesn't matter anyway, because COMMON SENSE will tell you that her life was saved because she would have drowned. No medical expertise is required to know that.

4.I don't like liberals.

5 BTW. Your spelling is horrendous. Are your PCRs just as sloppy?



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[n0xu]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N6HBJ @ Mar. 04 2003,11:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">1.Let me replace the word "morrow" with the word "lesson." Get it now dweeb?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I think you meant "moral", as in "the moral of the story". From http://www.m-w.com, in part:

Main Entry: mor·al <snip>
Function: noun
Date: 15th century
1 a : the moral significance or practical lesson (as of a story) b : a passage pointing out usually in conclusion the lesson to be drawn from a story

You might want to lay off the name calling. It does nothing but damage your credibility.

73 Drew N0XU

[W9WHE]

N6HBJ says:

"The original poster came back and indicated that the woman's car was completely COVERED IN WATER by 60 am. "If" this woman was unable to get out of car "and" no one else came by she would have drowned.

Here we go again!

"IF this woman was unable to get out of the car.....AND no one else came by...."

Are you not capable of seeing the flaws in your own reasoning??? Appearantly not. Permit me to help you.

FIRST: On what basis do you say she could not get out of the car by 6 am? Answer...YOU DON'T KNOW. ONCE AGAIN, YOU HAVE NO FACTS. YOU JUST ASS/U/ME.

SECOND: On what basis do you say that nobody else would have come by? Answer...YOU DON'T.

And despite the fact that YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, you continue to cling to your silly little assertion, even though you don't have an adequate basis for your opinions, be it either in medicine OR the underlying facts. You just make yourself look silly. But appearntly, you either can't understand it or don't care.

Moreover, your continued resort to personal attacks demonstrates the limits of your intellect. After all, if you can't overcome the argument, just attack the person making it. Very Clintonian. You say you don't like liberals.....well then... why do you act and sound JUST LIKE ONE??

When you respond, I invite you to eschew the personal attacks....and focus on the argument. Are you interllectually capable of doing that?

[N6HBJ]

I can just as easily turn your own argument around on you. Just like you state that I can't prove her life was saved, neither can you prove it wasn't. Except for one teeny point.

The ONLY person who knows is the person who was there, and HE ALREADY SAID THAT HER LIFE WAS INDEED SAVED because the water was rising.

So I guess you have ESP and are calling him a liar.

[KE6PKJ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W9WHE @ Mar. 05 2003,08:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">N6HBJ says:


Fourth, you continiously ignore my only point. The underlying premise (and the title) of the story is not accurate. That is my only point.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Well, if accuracy is the point then let's explore that.

You spelled. Corrected.

appearntly apparently
interllectually intellectually
reval reveal
charecter character
mabey maybe
vehimently vehemently
necessaraly necessarily
knowlege knowledge
continiously continuously

Later on we will talk about sentence structure.

[KB3GFF]

It's funny, I thought 6 and 9 was their callsigns, not their ages

[N6HBJ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB3GFF @ Mar. 05 2003,11:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's funny, I thought 6 and 9 was their callsigns, not their ages[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Yes, you are special and unique. As an adult I'm sure YOU never had a disagreement in your life ever. Perhaps you should take overe the Dali lama's position.

In the meantime, your DSP aint workin. Try changing your VFO and you won't hear us anymore. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KB3GFF]

I apologize, N6HBJ, I was wrong of me to direct that comment at you. I tried making the same point you are several pages ago and got the same response from W9WHE. The point I am trying to make is that there are some fights that just aren't winnable and you are stuck between a rock and a hard head

[N6HBJ]

OK GFF, sorry for the mixup.

73 Mike

[W9WHE]

N6HBJ says:

"The ONLY person who knows is the person who was there, and HE ALREADY SAID THAT HER LIFE WAS INDEED SAVED because the water was rising".


Still wrong, but improving!

You don't have a FACTUTAL or MEDICAL bassis for your assertion. You now seem to understand and conceed that point. We are making progress! However, you continue to assert that the original poster had such a basis. So far, he has not articulated any.

Here is an easy to understand analogy:
Farmer sees a light float over the barn. Because farmer is the only person that saw it, "only farmer can say whether or not it was a UFO". Sound familliar? It should, it is the analog to your argument. Now, I say that a physisist that "didn't see it" IS qualified to say, well, no...it wasn't a UFO, it was actually a flare from a millitary operation. By your logic, only the farmer, and not the physisist, is qualified to offer an opinion. See the flaw in your logic?

No ad-hominum personal attacks in your last post. You are making progress on multiple fronts. My complements.

[W9WHE]

To KE6PKJ:

Boy oh boy...you sure made a valuable contribution to our discussion. Take a lesson from K6HBJ, drop the personal attacks. Try to use whatever intellect you have. You will not look NEARLY so foolish!

[KE6PKJ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W9WHE @ Mar. 05 2003,12:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Here is an easy to understand analogy:
Farmer sees a light float over the barn. Because farmer is the only person that saw it, "only farmer can say whether or not it was a UFO". Sound familliar? #It should, it is the analog to your argument. #Now, I say that a physisist that "didn't see it" IS qualified to say, well, no...it wasn't a UFO, it was actually a flare from a millitary operation. By your logic, only the farmer, and not the physisist, is qualified to offer an opinion. See the flaw in your logic?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I think your substituting concrete thinking for logic. Until a flying object is positively identified, it is still an unidentified flying object (UFO). A physicist being a scientist would never make an unsubstantiated claim. He would require proof, scientific evidence and repeatability. Without that he is in the same boat as the farmer, only able to hypothesize and/or theorize. Logic on the other hand can't presuppose the unknown. If we know the water was rising and the woman was taken from her car, then indeed her life was saved. Just as if a boss cancels an employees airplane trip and then the plane slams into a mountain killing all aboard. His life was saved, whether directly or indirectly, by intention or not. Otherwise you are only arguing semantics (also see circular logic).

Factutal is spelled factual
bassis basis
conceed concede
familliar familiar
physisist physicist
complements compliments
ad hominum ad hominem

[KE6PKJ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W9WHE @ Mar. 05 2003,12:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">To KE6PKJ:

Boy oh boy...you sure made a valuable contribution to our discussion. Take a lesson from K6HBJ, drop the personal attacks. Try to use whatever intellect you have. You will not look NEARLY so foolish![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
My intention was not to personally attack, just to be factual and correct. Could you please illustrate where you were attacked by me and I will be glad to retract it.

73

[W9WHE]

Now you are being silly. You attacked my spelling. You offered no insight or relevant comments. You contributed nothing to an ongoing discussion. Don't be silly.

[NO7S]

If insight, logic, intellect, relevance, value and contribution were standards for submitting posts on QRZ, then this thread would be about 2 pages long (not seventeen).

You guys need to build a bridge and get over it.

Bob

[N6HBJ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kg4wdx @ Feb. 27 2003,22:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I forgot to add
the trench that the car was in. Was above flood stage and the car was completly cover by water by 6 am.. so ham radio did save her life![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
AND THERE YOU HAVE IT! STRAIGHT FROM SOMEONE WHO WAS THERE.


#N6HBJ says:
#"The ONLY person who knows is the person who was there, and HE ALREADY SAID THAT HER LIFE WAS INDEED SAVED because the water was rising".


#W9WHE says:
#Still wrong, but improving!

#You don't have a FACTUTAL or MEDICAL bassis for your assertion. You now seem to understand and conceed that point. We are making progress! #However, you continue to assert that the original poster had such a basis. So far, he has not articulated any.

#And my (N6HBJ) response to you:

#No, "WHE" YOU are wrong. Read WDX's statement above.

#Lets see. Who are we to believe?
#1. KG4WDX a PROFESSIONAL who WAS THERE.
#or
#2. W9WHE a PROFESSIONAL who was NOT there.

#Hmmm..... I will have to go with KG4WDX. If he says the woman's life was saved, I have no reason to doubt him.

#Now if you want to pick his very cool story apart, then you must have a problem. Is "YKY" your "Good Buddy"

[N6HBJ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W9WHE @ Mar. 05 2003,12:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Boy oh boy...you sure made a valuable contribution to our discussion. Take a lesson from K6HBJ, drop the personal attacks.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
"WHE", my call sign is NNNNN6HBJ not K6. Will you please get it right? I want full credit for this! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[arullo123]

Boy i know i said that i would not post anymore but something i got from a source that will remain nameless is just apauling! Someone, not going to say <cough> who, sent me a private message in reply saying that

"....America was better off when it was "segregated"...something you dumbass young liberals are just too dumb to know. YOUR liberalism is what is destroying America! "

....America was better off when it was segregated, any anyone believe this! Oh my word! We should have a thread just for offensive and totally apauling statements to fly araound!

[KB9YKY]

Young N6HBJ, where did you get the notion that wdx is some kind of "professional"? He never claimed such before or after the great flood. There goes your wild liberal imagination again. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[N6HBJ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9YKY @ Mar. 05 2003,15:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Young N6HBJ, where did you get the notion that wdx is some kind of "professional"? He never claimed such before or after the great flood. There goes your wild liberal imagination again. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
He said he left the "firehouse". Which seems to indicate that he is a firefighter. Firefighters are professional rescuers.

Of course now "WHE" will come back with some nonsense and say "well how do you know he is a firefighter? You can't prove that from his statement. Maybe he is a boy scout leader and was just droppin cookies off for the guys. Maybe he meant that he just passed a firehouse on the way home. Maybe maybe......" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[N6HBJ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (n0xu @ Mar. 05 2003,10:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N6HBJ @ Mar. 04 2003,11:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">1.Let me replace the word "morrow" with the word "lesson." Get it now dweeb?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I think you meant "moral", as in "the moral of the story". From http://www.m-w.com, in part:

Main Entry: mor·al <snip>
Function: noun
Date: 15th century
1 a : the moral significance or practical lesson (as of a story) b : a passage pointing out usually in conclusion the lesson to be drawn from a story

You might want to lay off the name calling. It does nothing but damage your credibility.

73 Drew N0XU[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Thankyou very much for that most valuable contribution to this discussion. Without you sir, no one would have understood what I meant. You must have searched for hours in your dictionary to pull that information out. Without you, we would most certainly be lost and unable to communicate. I must thank you again and the world is a better place thanks to you. I will recommend you for the Nobel Peace prize at my earliest opportunity. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KB9YKY]

Yea, he said he left the firehouse at about 2AM...probably after an evening of card playing and beer drinking...which is common at many rural, volunteer fire departments. Since he was going home in the middle of the night, it is a good indication that he is not a professional firefighter or emergency medical professional. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[N6HBJ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W9WHE @ Mar. 03 2003,13:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm just a paramedic, not a hero-ham![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
BARF!!

[ke4pjw]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9YKY @ Mar. 04 2003,17:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yea, he said he left the firehouse at about 2AM...probably after an evening of card playing and beer drinking...which is common at many rural, volunteer fire department