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02-27-2003, 09:51 PM
Sent to me by Paul the author on request by me.
I have some strong feeling of giving away Silet Key call signs. I do not think it should be done. Reform all you want but dont give away call signs of silent keys. You should leave it the way it is and only the family can give the call away to friends or family!

REFORM of AMATEUR PREFIXES.


HOW THIS ALL STARTED

Half-seriously, in late 2002, I wrote to the Editor of RadCom (the monthly journal of the RSGB Ltd), suggested a radical reorganisation of amateur call signs in the UK.

The reactions to my suggestion were universally bad. The editor printed a couple of the more polite replies. Elsewhere, people were voicing opinions not only on my views, but on my sanity. People on an internet discussion group were posting unsubstantiated statements about me which were totally untrue, and which amounted to defamation in Scottish law.

The most sympathetic reactions only went as far as, “I agree that the call-sign system is in a mess, but I am not going to give up my call-sign!”

A good friend, whilst acknowledging that I had come up with food for thought, complained with a smile that he had just had 5000 QSL cards printed!

Faced with this much opposition and hostility to someone who dared to “think outside the box”, with so many people stuck firmly in the mud, facing backwards, I did what anyone would do - I STUCK TO MY GUNS! I’m right, and one day I will be vindicated!

This is how the campaign for Reform of Amateur Prefixes was born. Will you join me in this struggle?


HOW THINGS LOOK AT THE END OF 2002

Most other countries in the world have numerical call-areas. Explaining our system to a foreign amateur at the end of 2002 is a nightmare! Our call-signs begin with Gs, Ms, and 2s, have all sorts of second letters, and represent a bewildering array of license classes.

1. A.

2. A/B. Granted this class does not officially exist any more, but some of its denizens have kept their M5 call-signs, whilst others have accepted new M0s

3. B.

4. Novice A.

5. Novice B.

6. Foundation.

Within this system, the numbers can mean just about anything - some 3s are A class, some 3s are Foundation; some 0s are A class, some 0s are Novice A; a few old-timers have a two-letter suffix with a number which otherwise would belong to another class.

OK, so the plan is to amalgamate A, A/B, and B into “Full”, and Novice A and Novice B into “Intermediate”, but when we do the call-sign salad will still be there.


I AM NOT “GM6MEN”

“People are justifiably proud of their call-signs”, was a comment in one objection to my initial proposals. Following amateur convention, the writer signed his named and appended the call-sign of his station, as if it were an OBE.

Let me say I share his pride. When I was young, I had two rather idle ambitions; one was to ride a motorcycle, and the other was to have my own radio station. They were not big ambitions, but I never thought I would achieve either. Now a BMW R1150R is my daily transport. As for radio, since I gained (self-taught) distinctions in both parts of the RAE, I have operated my station on thirteen amateur bands, using FM, AM, CW, SSB, RTTY, ATV, and Packet. I have talked round the world on satellites, on the ionosphere using antennas I built myself, on internet gateways. I have lugged microwave gear up mountains. I have had one or two minor “firsts”, and have a handful of awards. I haven’t got them hanging up, but in my own way I’m very proud.

Nevertheless, I am not GM6MEN, any more than I “am” MM3BCP or GM1GHZ. GM6MEN is the call sign of the station of which I am the licensee (check your own license, if you don’t believe me). It is only a call-sign, when all is said and done. I like it, I am used to it, I would miss it if it went. NEVERTHELESS, for the greater good, I would sacrifice it!

If it was replaced by another call-sign, that would not blot out the fun and the achievements I have enjoyed up to now. How could it?


IS THIS GUY SERIOUS?

Yes. But one of our problems as a group of people is that we take ourselves too seriously. I take the subject seriously - not myself.


WHY DO HAMS LOOK DOWN ON EACH OTHER?

This beats me, but they do!

For as long as I can remember - since the day in fact when someone introduced me to the term “G6 prat” to describe a new “B” license-holder - I have been aware that there is a minority of amateurs who look down on those who have fewer “qualifications” than they have. For most of the time this minority has had a “down” on anyone who had not passed the morse test, particularly on those who were also relative newcomers, and particularly on anyone who had not passed the morse test who questioned its usefulness. This minority was more than a mere handful, and what they lacked in numbers they made up for in vociferousness. They made their contempt for their “less qualified” fellow-amateurs known on the air, on packet bulletin-boards, on internet discussion groups, in letters to RadCom, in private conversation over pints of ale, and, for all I know, on the back of toilet doors!

They were always on the look-out for someone new about whom to form a prejudice. Hence as late as 2002, someone was heard to remark - on air - “I’m not going to speak to any foundation licensees, they’re not real amateurs!”

I am glad to say that this minority is dwarfed by hams of genuine goodwill, but nonetheless they are a thorn in the body of the hobby. I for one wish they would go away, but I would not banish them from the kindly influence of the rest of us, and I continue to hope that their prejudices will be nullified eventually by their opening their eyes and preparing to be tolerant and helpful (but I am not going to hold my breath!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif.

However, my planned reform of the call-sign system in this country will, by removing the apparent differences in our call signs, make it difficult to form such an instant prejudice. Our only criterion for forming an opinion about another amateur would be, “Is he or she doing his best?” Our privileges were granted to us for “self-training”, after all.


“IT CAN’T BE DONE”

It is commonly thought to be impossible to reorganise the entire amateur call sign system of a whole country. Here are several reasons why this view is nonsense:

1. Lithuania
2. Latvia
3. Estonia
4. Belarus
5. Ukraine
6. Georgia
7. Armenia
8. Azerbaijan
9. Kazakhstan
10. Uzbekistan
11. Kirghizstan
12. Turkmenistan
13. Tajikistan

You may be able to think of some more.


ANALYSIS OF CALL SIGN SERIES as at 31/12/2002

Prefix Availability
M0 Partially allocated
M1 Partially allocated
M2 Available
M3 Partially allocated
M4 Available
M5 Partially allocated
M6 Available
M7 Available
M8 Available
M9 Available
G0 Fully allocated
G1 Fully Allocated
G2 Fully allocated, but partially available due to “natural wastage” (this is one of the oldest allocations, and many of the licensees are now “silent key”)
G3 Fully allocated
G4 Fully allocated
G5 Partially allocated - the old “foreign amateur” allocation
G6 Fully allocated
G7 Fully allocated
G8 Fully allocated
G9 Available (as I recall, however, this range used to be reserved for non-amateur experimental stations)



PROPOSED NUMERICAL AREAS

No. Allocation
0 Unallocated sector as at “day 1” could be used for, say, the Orkneys, Shetlands, Outer Hebrides, Scilly Isles, &c. Sector in use could be phased in, if necessary, after a 5 year moratorium on the re-use of call-signs that were in use at the time of change-over.
1 Ditto.
2 Scotland, region 1. Potential for 17000+ population (M2). #G2, if needed, could be phased in after 5 years moratorium on re-use of old prefix allocation. Call signs which were currently un-used at day 1 would be allocated first, followed, if eventually proved necessary, by those which were still in use before day 1.
3 Channel Islands. #The population is reasonably small, and the first letter of the suffix could be used to preserve the difference between the current Guernsey and Jersey calls.
4 Scotland, region 2 (M4). #G4, if needed, could be phased in after 5 years moratorium on re-use of old prefix allocation.
5 Isle of Man (M5 as available, G5, as available)
6 Northern Ireland (M6)
7 Wales (M7)
8 England, region 3. Potential for 17000+ population (on M8 alone; G8, if needed, could be phased in after 5 years moratorium on old call-signs).
9 England, regions 1 and 2. Potential for 17000+ population (M9) and 17000+ population (G9).


IS THERE ANY NEED FOR A SECOND LETTER IN THE PREFIX?

Probably not. There are enough number and letter combinations to go round, and by the time the system is in place, it would be possible for any listener to recognise the license class of the operator by consulting, for example, a web-site.

But if it becomes necessary, we have a choice of twenty-six second letters to denote license classes (if we really must; but an important part of this reform is to nullify the snobbery and hostility of a vociferous minority which has fouled our hobby for many years!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif, repeaters, digipeaters, gateways, special event stations, club stations, dx-peditions, contest stations, &c. &c.


HOW WILL THIS AFFECT THE QSL BUREAU?

Having a five-year period during which no existing call-sign can be used would give enough time for bureaux around the world to clear cards currently circulating in the system. During that five-year period, sub-managers can easily be allocated to the new call-signs. The actual volume of cards handled will not increase, other than by the process of new licensees being granted new call-signs, as happens currently.


AM I OPEN TO ARGUMENT?

These proposals are not chiselled in stone. If anyone comes up with a better solution to the call-sign muddle, either as amendments to my suggestions, or as a totally different systematic approach, then I will be glad that there has been a response to this stimulus.

I will gladly take on board any amendment for which I can see merit. If I don’t take it on board, I fully endorse the right of whomever came up with it to argue it elsewhere!

I am not open to “argument” which says simply, “This is patent drivel”, or “This is the product of such muddled thinking that it is not worthy of a reply”! Anyone who says such things has no argument, only their own prejudices!

I am open to argument which says, “This is patent drivel, because a., b., c., and d, which are evidenced by e., f., g. and h.” I might wish for a tadge more politeness from the opponent, but I endorse his or her right to back up their opinion with arguable facts.

“Let a thousand flowers bloom. Let a thousand schools of thought contend!”
Mao Zedong

At the end of the day, when my proposals are eventually taken seriously, they will inevitably be considered by people in some committee or other. They will take my thoroughbred racehorse of a suggestion and re-draft it as a camel - but at least a camel can run, and can run through the Sahara!


“AND FINALLY, ESTHER……..”

My sincere good wishes to all, supporter or opponent. May you enjoy “playing radio”.

Paul Thompson # # (“I am not a number - I am a free man!”)

GJ7JHF
03-04-2003, 02:04 PM
Hi Paul
The "universally bad" reactions should tell you something. Most of us take a callsign as being part of the operator's identity, whether that's right or not. I simply don't believe that you'll get enough support for changing people's beloved callsigns for no good reason.
There are indeed a bewildering array of prefixes and licence classes, but does that matter?
You would simply be exchanging one code for another,
if somebody is to know that M4 means Scotland then they're perfectly capable of knowing that any GM,MM or
2M means Scotland too. It only takes one word or a locator to convey that information, if required. I don't believe that overseas amateurs would benefit from this, and Britons certainly wouldn't! Your other point about hiding licence classes is a non starter too - a thicker skin is all that's needed. We need to be able tell a station's 'class' to self-regulate the hobby - how else would we know if a 'lower class' operator is on a band where they shouldn't be, for example? That is one of the key aspects of callsign identification, and anyone who cares about such things will more likely than not be within GB and understand the callsign structure. It's not that hard!
Sorry old chap, I think you need to reconsider.
Andy

aa1mn
03-04-2003, 03:59 PM
I agree with the above poster, GJ7JHF, completely and on all points.

It was worded concisely and politely.

M0NRB
03-04-2003, 05:47 PM
I also, agree wholeheartedly with the GJ station above.
When I read the original letter in RadCom, I actually checked the magazine cover to see if it was the April edition!!!
I am proud of being M0NRB for the past year, and I am also just as proud of having been G8NRB for the past 26 years.

WA9SVD
03-04-2003, 05:48 PM
The licensing structure in the U.K. is bewildering to me, and even the RSGB web site doesn't explain it well. But I see no reason to totally change the callsign structure. I would think the governmental branch responsible for Amateur Licensing would not have the budget for such a project, anyway.
And with our vanity call system on this side of the "Pond" there's no longer a way to tell where an amateur is located, his or her license class, or how long he or she has been licensed.
Naturally, the countries affected by the breakup of the former Soviet Union HAD to reorganize and be issued new callsigns, as each became a sovreign nation, and thus needed a unique prefix. But that was out of necessity. Just an observation from a chap here in the U.S.

K2WH
03-05-2003, 02:55 AM
Quote:

"Faced with this much opposition and hostility to someone who dared to “think outside the box”, with so many people stuck firmly in the mud, facing backwards, I did what anyone would do - I STUCK TO MY GUNS! I'm right, and one day I will be vindicated!"

Why is there always someone "Thinking Outside the Box". #Can't we all just stay in the box for once? #Maybe just for a little while. #God I hate that phrase as much as the phrases, "Question Authority" and "Pushing the Envelope".

I want to stay in the box and I certainly don't feel like pushing anything. As to questioning authority, I tried that with a cop and it didn't work out very well. I'm going to bed now.

K2WH

n5pg
03-05-2003, 02:58 AM
Interesting comments. I've noticed many UK hams have both G and M prefix calls, I'm still not sure of the differences tho' I've not dug too deep. Maybe I'll go to RSGB site and see if I can suss it out.
73 Paul N5PG / G3RRF

K2WH
03-05-2003, 01:45 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (n5pg @ Mar. 03 2003,20:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Interesting comments. I've noticed many UK hams have both G and M prefix calls, I'm still not sure of the differences tho' I've not dug too deep. Maybe I'll go to RSGB site and see if I can suss it out.
73 Paul N5PG / G3RRF[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Just curious, what does "suss" mean? I looked in the dictionary and don't see it.

K2WH

g0oil
03-06-2003, 01:50 PM
I quote from your message, Paul:

“Let a thousand flowers bloom. Let a thousand schools of thought contend!”
Mao Zedong

I do hope that you don't have the same attitude to other peoples' viewpoints as the tyrant whom you quote.

g0slp
03-06-2003, 11:06 PM
QUOTE
Just curious, what does "suss" mean? I looked in the dictionary and don't see it.

K2WH

UNQUOTE

"Suss", as far as I'm aware, is another dreadful slang expression that has entered everyday language, & means "to work something out"!

Regarding the original posting; Paul GM6MEN, sorry but I can't agree with you. I concur with GJ7JHF's comments.

73 to all
Mark G0SLP
(Proud of being able to use proper language, & also proud of his hard-earned call!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

PS GM6MEN's cartoons are great - what would RF Byrne say about this suggestion?

WA9SVD
03-07-2003, 12:12 AM
To G0SLP:

Mark:
Is there somewhere we can view the cartoons of GM6MEN ? R.F. Byrnes seems like a rather interesting character. Back in the 1960's, there were articles in QST here (always the April issue, if you get my drift) penned by "Larsen E. Rapp." (I hope that translates from American to Brit speak. LOL!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

G3VGR
03-07-2003, 12:53 AM
It all seems pretty pointless to me. The only reason I could ever see for changing one's callsign would be to get one that was easy & snappy to send in contests or pileups. If the UK had the possibility of vanity calls, maybe I would try for G9BF , the famous character in Short Wave Magazine, long before RF Byrne was a twinkling sunspot in his Father's eye #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
73, Dave

kf4glg
03-07-2003, 04:43 AM
Paul, I think you have way too much time on your hands! This is obviously something that you have dedicated a good bit of time thinking about, but, believe me; it just doesn't matter http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

03-07-2003, 02:05 PM
"Nevertheless, I am not GM6MEN, any more than I “am” MM3BCP or GM1GHZ. GM6MEN is the call sign of the station of which I am the licensee (check your own license, if you don’t believe me). It is only a call-sign, when all is said and done. I like it, I am used to it, I would miss it if it went. ..."

Intellectually, you are 100 percent correct in the statement as far as it goes. BUT YOUR callsign IS you, in so far as anyone else who is involved in communications (and the Governments of the World) are concerned.

There are LOTS of 'Bill' 'Fred' 'Bob' and yes.. 'Mergatroyd' out there.. but there is ONLY one K3FT in the entire world.. and only one GM6MEM.

To other hams, your callsign IS you. How many times have you talked with someone in your local area and said 'Hey! Do you know Chuck?' They reply, "Chuck, who?" Because they know a lot of people named 'Chuck'. You say, "Chuck K3FT." He smiles (or grimaces depending on his opinion of me :-) )' and says "Oh Yeah! K3FT. I work him on the local 80M net. He's quite active in this and that..etc..etc..'

Or how many times have you said to someone, at an event or over the air in conversation 'I was talking with FT the other day..." and the other station knows EXACTLY who you are speaking of.

Hams are better known by their callsigns then their names. We tend to take them MORE personally than our given names because they are, totally, 100 percent unique to US.

Another thing that makes them unique and further cements the nature of the callsign = the person is the fact that we attach 'non-standard phoentics' to our callsigns and many people know us by those phonetics.

Example.. Jim N3FFB uses 'Fuzzy Fuzzy Baseballs' as phonetics. All of hte locals (and othes he talks to) know IMMEDATELY upon hearing 'Hav eyou heard FUZZY FUZZY or FUZZY FUZZY BASEBALLS around?' EXACTLY who is being inquired after.

I use 'Fertile Turtle' (I'm slow.. but I'm good! :-) ).. Most folks around here know me better as simply 'EFF TEE' rather than my name. To them and others K3FT, FT, or a phonetic usage IS my name.

So.. a callsign is the person and the person IS the callsign. We guard our callsigns with (sometimes) MORE fervor than we guard our names, I have found.

73
Chuck K3FT

g0slp
03-07-2003, 04:05 PM
RF Byrne

Was a regular feature in the UK publication "Ham Radio Today", now no longer published. There was at least 1 book of cartoons published separately - I had a copy, but it's not on my bookcase now - I think it was borrowed, & never returned......

I haven't seen him in any other publication for a while - he may have gone QRT, of course.......

Sorry I can't help further at this time; maybe GM6MEN would post back - if anyone can help, he should be able to.

73 to all
Mark G0SLP

WA9SVD
03-07-2003, 05:28 PM
Mark:
Thank you for the explanation.
Larry WA9SVD

n8zux
03-08-2003, 12:51 AM
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif # I don't know about you guys & gals but ya know we in here the ole USA we have Vanity Calls So big deal !! if the family does or doesn't do you think they really care ??

Probably Not !! my call is #N8ZUX .. #I thought as to why this http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif? #I personally do not like it. If I do get a Extra Call I thought of Changing it , problem is some hams in some areas are labeling the N call as No-Coders and do not talk to them , I have talked even to older technicians or engineers who let their license go primarly protesting the No-Code Techs, now that WRC -03 is discussing the do away deal with the Morse Code as Requirement for HF Question how many more of thses people will drop their License #?? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

\\\\\\\\\\ # # # # # # #******

So now you sent to the FCC license pool unused call signs my point is people , how many available calls are NOT I Repeat NOT of Silent Keys ?? who is going to go on-line and find a call that is not of a SK and run reasearch to high heaven just not to be politically incorrect or disservice to some family member to apply for a vanity call just because his initials #( I'll use coomon pototoe name John Doe ) #so call is #W1JD ok john decides he leaves ham radio for some reason and he's alive and selling sea shells at the sea shore business, he lost interest for example, Jerry Doe comes along his call is for example N1ZZZ dislikes his call sees after passing his Extra applies for vanity W1JD ok FCC says Ok new call etc. Question is Jerry Doe being disliked because John Does old call is reisssued and everyone knows by #the QRZ database that it's a valid call ?? or is this something just because issue #?? #point to ponder & discuss right or wrong you be the judge ..

GM4LYV
03-09-2003, 04:01 PM
With regards to changing UK callsigns, no i do not agree with paul, with the immanent demise of Morse the license classes should be simplify. As i understand it, the license classes are being reorganised by the RSGB as an ongoing project at the moment. Reading Pauls letter i get the impression, that, the idea is to obscure the license class, so that adverse comments are not received by new licencees, unfortunately in life you will always get people who try to belittle others, the majority of radio amateurs will always welcome new amateurs to the ranks.

regards

willie gm4lyv http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

G0JSM
03-19-2003, 01:06 AM
I wonder if GM6MEN is a B licence holder! Paul why have you never taken your morse test? Could'nt be bothered or not interested in HF. Maybe you are just waiting to get your A licence given to you on a plate! I personally worked for twelve monnths top get my B licence and a further three months to attain My A licence. I took a slagging off the G3s & G4s who said things were easier when I passed my test because we had multiple choice questions. We heard it all "I cant hear those G0 calls I've had a 0 filter fitted" it did'nt stop me because I new I had earned my ticket.
Fact is Paul I think your barking mad expecting us to give up our call signs and I would think that I would have world opinion on my side (Maybe not the French). Ive loved my hobby for the past sixteen years and I hope like most that I will take my call to my grave with me. What about thos who have hande down their calls to their children? Och man your crackers.
G0JSM
Ps Welcome to all the necomers to our hobby regardless of your call mat the hobby bring as much joy as it has me.

G0JSM