Ham Sells FREE handouts on EBAY [Archive]

kg4ivt

02-27-2003, 07:13 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w3sy @ Feb. 27 2003,09:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Some enterprising folks would auction off their SOCK CHEESE and toenail clippings if they thought they could recover the eBay fee....[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Sock cheese IF WE'RE LUCKY......

What's next? Flyers for hamfests from 2 years ago?

On a similar note, I seem to remember one ham selling part of an HRO catalog in a package deal of other broken crap he was trying to unload, not on eBay though.

WA2ZDY

02-27-2003, 09:31 PM

Actually, I DID buy a brochure from a hamfest in 1948. Kind of neat too as it was held on what would become my birthday. VERY interesting stuff.

As far as selling freebies, my brother-in-law has for years collected car brochures - you know, the ones you pick up at the dealer? The brag sheets I guess. I remember going to car shows with instructions to bring back whatever various and sundry brochures as might be available.

He sells them on ebay now. And he's a power seller - that means he's selling like TEN GRAND a month worth of them!

Nothing wrong with selling if someone is willing to pay. I just wish I'd thought of it!

w8ob

02-27-2003, 09:54 PM

you could pick up your dog's crap and bag it, call it a miracle chemical to improve vertical antenna performance and you would get several idiots start a bid war on ebay. Just check it out sometime, a icom v8000 you can buy one for $170 to $179 from a dealer and watch them go for over $200 on ebay. There is a sucker born every minute. For a good laugh spend a hour of so surfing the ham radio portion of ebay, you will see very rare items like knight star roamer receivers going for up to $125, Thrill to a piece of crap hallicrafters ht44 only held together by a couple of rusty screws get $100. Do not forget the great descriptions like " selling for a friend of mine who does not have I-net access", " worked last time I used it", " I don't know anything about these items" ( but in the back of the photo you see a 756pro2 and alpha amp. Geeeezzzzzzzzz.

KD5UJZ

02-27-2003, 11:21 PM

hehe, I saw an o-scope for sell last week on ebay. Guy had a picture of a sine wave going across the CRT, but in the discription listed it powers up, as-is, because he was not familier with it and had no way of testing it. Guess he accidently threw it in a box with a function generator at the moment he took the picture.

N0PU

02-27-2003, 11:23 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD5UJZ @ Feb. 27 2003,17:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">hehe, I saw an o-scope for sell last week on ebay. Guy had a picture of a sine wave going across the CRT, but in the discription listed it powers up, #as-is, because he was not familier with it and had no way of testing it. Guess he accidently threw it in a box with a function generator at the moment he took the picture.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Putting a sine-wave on an o'scope DOES NOT test it...

Testing of an o'scope is far more complicated than that...

KD5UJZ

02-27-2003, 11:30 PM

but in the same sentance, the guy said he was not familiar with it, and was not sure how to use it. I could understand that he could not do a full test on it, or calibrate it.

kd5scg

02-27-2003, 11:48 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9YKY @ Feb. 27 2003,06:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Is that so? When was and what was the name of that case? Did that "Supeme Court" ruling also say that other items may legally be taken from one's property, if the property is adjacent to a roadway? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Heaven forbid that someone STEAL your trash. By the way, the "supeme court" said that if it is in a garbage receptacle, it IS fair game.

ae4fa

02-28-2003, 12:04 AM

Gee, I don't remember the case name - it was 10 to 15 years ago. Involved a dope dealer and the police picing together evidence of his financial activity by picking thru his garbage.

By the way, the public right of way of a roadway does not end at the curb. Guess that explains public sidewalks.

Not about to go digging for the case (pun intended). If you're really that interested, do a search starting with key words "garbage," "police," and "court." That should get you started.

But, really, think about it. You take a piece of personal property from your home, which is protected under the 4th Amendment. You place it in a garbage can. You place the garbage can in the public right of way for pick-up by whatever public (or even publicly contracted private) service prevails in your area. And then you wanna contend that if somebody else removes something from the garbage can, they are guilty of stealing your personal property from your real property?

Oh, come now.

73, Bob

N7CPC

02-28-2003, 03:05 AM

As has been said many times in the past, "there's one born every minute."

Toe nail clippings and sock cheese? eeeewwwww!

KM5FL

02-28-2003, 04:50 AM

Person selling freebes = entrepeneur

Person buying freebes = idiot

02-28-2003, 05:13 AM

Person selling something - seller,
Person buying something - buyer.

EQUALS FREE ENTERPRISE CAPITALISM!

Remeber.. one man's junk/junque is another man's treasure!

We all have our reasons for what we buy
We all hvae our emotional ties to things that WERE free when given but NOW aren't available.

Simple free enterprise capitalism!

Now..where can I get that elusive HEATHKIT catalog from 1969? :-)

SY.. you show me toe cheese and I'm gonna do a DPROMAN on your system! ;-)

WA2ZDY

02-28-2003, 12:59 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MattBeers @ Feb. 27 2003,22:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KM5FL @ Feb. 27 2003,21:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Person selling freebes = entrepeneur

Person buying freebes = idiot[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Person complaining about someone selling freebies = has no life[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
No, person complaining is jealous he didn't think of it first; or his mom/wife threw HIS freebies away; either of which means he is jealous.

K3FT is correct, there are things each of us have had in the past and would pay dearly for to have again. As for my brother-in-law, he's retired and living large on these folks who want that stuff he sells. And his buyers, for whatever reason, want his stuff. Do I wish I'd thought of something like that? Hell yes! But I didn't, so that's why he's raking in the cash and I'm still breaking my behind every day for a paycheck from the man.

Jealous? No, envious maybe, but that's how life goes.

Steve, I was expecting a comment from you about frumunda . . .

w3sy

02-28-2003, 06:16 PM

Sorry Chris... The frumunda cheese is <span style='color:red'>NOT</span> for sale!

Ho!!

02-28-2003, 06:53 PM

Frumunda cheese... is that French?

w8ob

02-28-2003, 09:24 PM

Person sticking up for person selling = person doing same thing a.k.a. dealer

w8ob

02-28-2003, 09:41 PM

person complaining about selling freebies = person not jealous but disgusted with present day morals.

before you liberals jump on the wagon read the orginal post, I took it to mean recent items not items classified as collectables like a 1957 allied radio catalog

K2PG

02-28-2003, 10:04 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w3sy @ Feb. 27 2003,15:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sorry Chris... The frumunda cheese is <span style='color:red'>NOT</span> for sale!

Ho!![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I thought it was impossible for you to get that kind of cheese!

K2PG

02-28-2003, 10:05 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w8ob @ Feb. 26 2003,18:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You could pick up your dog's crap and bag it, call it a miracle chemical to improve vertical antenna performance and you would get several idiots start a bid war on ebay.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I don't have a dog. Will cat poop do? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

w8ob

02-28-2003, 10:53 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K2PG @ Feb. 28 2003,15:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w8ob @ Feb. 26 2003,18:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You could pick up your dog's crap and bag it, call it a miracle chemical to improve vertical antenna performance and you would get several idiots start a bid war on ebay.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I don't have a dog. Will cat poop do? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I really don't think it would matter. Hey you could list it as being recycled special kitty, that would likely bring in a few extra bucks in the last minutes of the auction

ae4fa

03-01-2003, 12:05 AM

There's actually a guy here in SC who achieved some noteriety - and amassed quite a bit of $$$ - by making jewelry from quail poop.

He achieved quite a variety of colors by formulating the feed. Then he'd scoop the stuff up, encase it in plastic and make earring, necklaces, rings, etc.

He's retired now - and still got that smirk on his face . . .

73, Bob

KB0IEY

03-01-2003, 01:51 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KG6PCF @ Feb. 28 2003,12:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Frumunda cheese... is that French?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
It's not French... I think it's Ghetto. It's some ol' phunky ol' Ghetto cheese that smells like arse, it requires Hazmat signage when shipped, and is used mainly in fraternity initiation rituals. Anyways, if someone was to actually buy some Frumunda Cheese on Ebay, then their head must be filled with the stuff rather than any gray matter. But you never know, it may sell well if there is more than one RatShack associate checking the auction. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

...yeah...

KM5FL

03-01-2003, 07:50 AM

MattBeers:

I hope you weren't implying that I am complaining, and I certainly hope you weren't implying that I don't have a life.... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

I couldn't care less what someone sell or even attempts to sell as long as they are honest with their dealings.. I see nothing dishonest (not to be confused with having no class) about selling freebees/handouts... Now a person that pays for something that could be obtained elsewhere at no charge leaves a little something to be desired in the intelligence department..

WA2ZDY

03-01-2003, 01:16 PM

Hey Phil, long time old pal. Dunno if you recognise me with this call, but . . . I knew you back in Iselin.

Cat poop would go with the "why are hams so cheap" thread. A brother ham I know always says "hams are cheaper than cat poop . . . ."

Ok, I'm grossed out by this thread now. Sorry I mentioned the cheese. Geez, is it French? Wait, THAT belongs in the thread about the frogs going against us in Iraq . . . .

KG4RUL

03-01-2003, 03:07 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KM5FL @ Feb. 27 2003,17:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Person selling freebes = entrepeneur

Person buying freebes = idiot[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Would that hold for persons who buy old political campaign 'Memorabilia', which by the way was a 'freebie', for hundreds of dollars? #Or is it calling it 'Memorabilia' that makes it OK?

Dennis - KG4RUL #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

KM5FL

03-04-2003, 05:01 AM

Dennis:
In the spirit of keeping to the subject,the originator of this thread was referring to the selling of Yaesu brochure "handouts".. So was I...

KM5FL

W5KRM

03-05-2003, 05:59 PM

Doesn't really matter to me if someone sells something he obtained "free" of charge to someone willing to fork out the dough instead of getting the free stuff also. #

I don't really see the big issue here.

What's desireable (or collectable) to one person, may seem like trash or a waste of a few bucks to someone else. Kinda gets back to what price does one put on any object, old, new, unique, etc. I think that depends on what that person is able to obtain.

I can choose to go to Yaesu or whomever and get the free stuff or visit a hamfest myself and visit a booth, or if someone offers it for sale, I can choose to go and purchase it. It is an individualistic choice, (thank God we can have such luxury).

The only issue I see in posting "For Sale" items, are those individuals who perpetually advertise and are more or less, "dealers", or commercial operators, moving and selling stuff on a non-commercial board.
#
The other (real) issue I have (other then those individuals ripping people off) is the chap selling manual copies made from copyright material which is not only illegal, but lacks "morals" as one poster stated.

Seems copyright laws are frequently ignored.

However, once again, I can choose to pass all of them by and purchase nothing from anyone.

The gift of a free market indeed!

w8ob

03-05-2003, 08:35 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MattBeers @ Mar. 04 2003,23:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w8ob @ Feb. 28 2003,14:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">person complaining about selling freebies = person not jealous but disgusted with present day morals.

before you liberals jump on the wagon read the orginal post, I took it to mean recent items not items classified as collectables like a 1957 allied radio catalog[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The fact that it's recent doesn't change a thing.

Hams have been buying "free" things for YEARS. #My first hamfest, 30 years ago, had a guy selling Motorola, National Semiconductor and Hewlett-Packard data books, brand new, for $2 to $5 each. #He had a HORDE at his table, snapping them up. #The books were all free from the manufacturers. #How far back do you to go in that "morals" argument?

There is nothing morally wrong with offering a thing for sale, as long as it's a legal thing. #It would be immoral if they LIED about the thing.

It's not a liberal versus conservative thing, by the way. #It's a liberty (let him do what he wants as long as it's not immoral) versus control (someone should keep people from profiting from my own stupidity) thing.

There are plenty of people posting on here against your side, who are very clearly (per posts on other topics) not in the liberal camp. #Actually, the position you take is more consistent with socialism than not...are you trying to fool us?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
as the ole saying goes: Frankly my dear fellow I could give a damn" If people are stupid enough to part with their bread on freebies that's their business.I had half expected a reply such as this from one who likes to argue or turn a mole hill into a mountain. Would like to stay and continue the debate however I have more important things to do. If you do follow this post then it appears to me that just as many people agree with my views as are against them. But hey this is America right?

BenDare2

03-06-2003, 01:30 PM

...."Fromunda Cheese"............Australian, for sure!.........

.........found it in my 'Funk & Wagnall'.

Get a map.........free at rest stops........$40+ on ebay....... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ........

........Ol'Ben ..........entertaining thread!!

kf4lne

03-06-2003, 04:00 PM

I have a friend who sold the hair from the floor of a dog grooming place on ebay once. he was making something like $20 per sandwich bag full of hair. I also remember reading about a kid who was selling baggies of dog crap. Customers paid him to mail the bag of crap to someone the customer did not like, ect. I am quite sure that could be a very profitable business...

Mail turd to your boss - $25!
Mail turd to ex bf/gf - $15!
mail turd to ham who posts useless crap on QRZ - FREE!

Maybe I should be doing that for a living... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

KB9YKY

03-06-2003, 04:18 PM

Maybe you should get an education and get a real job instead of dreaming up ways to "earn a living" illegally.

KA8NCR

03-07-2003, 02:09 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9YKY @ Mar. 06 2003,09:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Maybe you should get an education and get a real job instead of dreaming up ways to "earn a living" illegally.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I'm not part of the USPS, but we had a postal inspector at our place a couple years ago when some dolt glued a razor blade on the inside flap of an envelope. Cut the person's finger when they opened their mail.

Anyway, one of the guys asked about mailing dog droppings. Now I wasn't there when the question was posed, but allegedly the response was that if you mail a bag of dog poo and put it a bag that says "Dog poo", it's legal. If you put it in a bag that says Hershey's Kisses, well, that's not legal.

Take it for what it's worth. The guys in the office could be jerking my chain about that one too. Although the razor blade thing is absolutely true. The moron received 18 months in jail for it.

kg4rrm

03-07-2003, 02:58 AM

what if you don't label it?

KA8NCR

03-07-2003, 03:35 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kg4rrm @ Mar. 06 2003,19:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">what if you don't label it?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I dunno. Mail me some dog poo that doesn't have a label proclaiming it as such. Make sure you put your return address on it and we'll find out.

KD5UJZ

03-07-2003, 04:24 AM

KG4RUL

03-07-2003, 01:36 PM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif1--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KM5FL @ Mar. 03 2003,18http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif1)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Dennis:
In the spirit of keeping to the subject,the originator of this thread was referring to the selling of Yaesu brochure "handouts".. So was I...

KM5FL[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I was keeping to the spirit of the thread. #

What was being complained about was someone having the audacity to charge for something that was given as a freebie. #Whether that is a Yaesu freebie or a political campaign button is irrelevant.

If someone is willing to pay a price for something, that is their choice! #Don't beat up on the seller.

Freebies becomes collectibles. #Just cruise the internet. #Their are collector groups for virtaully everything! #If they sell them to another collector are they all evil.

I wonder what the author of this thread had in mind by posting it originally? could they have given away something and later became aware of someone else getting cash for the same item? #A little sour grapes perhaps?

Dennis - KG4RUL http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

n0evc

03-14-2003, 12:02 AM

I have to think that this thread is irrelevant in a country where the Pet Rock was a substantial money-maker.

KD5UJZ

03-14-2003, 06:15 AM

dont forget the slinky.

K9STH

03-14-2003, 03:05 PM

Matt:

You need to read the publication entitled "Copyright Law of the United States of Amercia" as contained in Title 17 of the United States Code!

Manuals are indeed copyrighted as is anything else ever created and are thus protected by copyright law! Even though a particular company may no longer be in existance per se, their assets have been transferred to another entity and thus the copyrights are still owned. A notice of copyright is NOT required to be placed on items since they are automatically copyrighted when first conceived. Also, registering of copyrighted material is NOT required although by registering such copyrights with the appropriate federal offices does make it "slightly" easier to obtain monentary renumeriation when a copyright infringment takes place. "Monentary renumeriation" just means that you get paid by those who violated your copyright, usually "treble" (triple) damages plus all legal costs.

Until 1999, the length of a copyright in the United States was 75 years per the Berne Convention to which the United States is signatory. Primarily due to Sony Pictures, the Bono Act of 1999, which extends this by another 20 years (making a total of 95 years), was passed by Congress and signed into law by President Clinton. This was fought in the courts and was finally declared to be constitutional by the Supreme Court about 2 months ago. Thus, anything created later than 1907 is still under copyright law and is not in public domain.

It is definitely illegal for copies to be made except under very strict circumstances which are outlined in the copyright law. Making copies of manuals for sale is definitely against the law. However, it is up to the copyright owner to bring suit against the violators, the government will not do this. Since, in many cases, the copyright owner doesn't want to be bothered with producing manuals for distribution, those persons who are making the copies are basically ignored.

Collins Radio (actually now Rockwell Collins) has definitely exercised their rights under the copyright law and have given permission to the Collins Collector's Association to reproduce their manuals. This permission applies to no one else. Most other manufacturers just turn a "blind eye" to the unauthorized reproduction of their manuals since they don't want to be bothered with it. But, at any time, they have the right to stop such action through legal action.

Anyway, before one makes statements about what is, or isn't, the copyright law, it pays to read the documentation!

Glen, K9STH

N0KLT

03-15-2003, 05:29 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD5UJZ @ Mar. 14 2003,00:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">dont forget the slinky.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
At least the Slinky was entertaining and did something plus the metal ones have added plus of being able to be made into antennas. Pet Rocks are good for anything other then setting around being gravel.

Now on the other hand, a good Weather Rock is very useful and is a heck of a lot more accurate (as well as current) then the NWS.

73

Gary NØKLT

KD5UJZ

03-15-2003, 06:24 AM

HEHE, yeah, a slinky makes a great shortwave antenna. I used to have an old indian weather rock.

If rock is swinging, its windy.
If rock is wet, its raning.
If rock is hard to see, but not wet, its foggy.

there were about 7 others but I cant remember them.

KD7UKT

03-15-2003, 07:56 AM

Ya know, I personally think a lot of the bravo sierra around this topic comes from confusing "freebie" with "collectible," and assuming that what is in one category can never end up in the other. Let me illustrate:

Say I go to my local minor league baseball game (something I do relatively frequently during the season), and it happens to be "free baseball card night." So, I get a "free" pack of baseball cards of the team's current players. Now, let us say that for whatever reason, I hang on to these cards for several years. During this time, a certain player, "Mark McNutty," just to coin a name, makes it to the big leagues and is a major star. Now, if I unearth the old minor league cards, and auction off the McNutty card, which I received for free, does that make ME immoral?

I think not. A freebie has become a collectible, and if people are willing to pay for something like that, then let them open up their wallets! Essentially, freebies become collectibles when a) they are no longer being manufactured/printed, AND b) something noteworthy happens to make them worth collecting. Doesn't happen often, but it does happen!

Give it some thought before flaming me, please?