Frequencies used by unlicensed types [Archive]

02-25-2003, 10:24 AM

Listen to the most extreme foul-mouths, unlicensed types on 10 meters: 28000, 28005, 28015, 28025, 28035, 28045, 28055, 28065, 28075, 28085, 28095, 28105, 28135, 28145, 28165, 28175, 28195, 28205, 28235, 28245, 28295, 28305, 28335, 28365, 28445, 28475, 28505, 28535, 28595, 28605, 28635, 28715, 28725, 28775, 28885, 28975, 29010, 29100, 29105, 29200, 29205, 29375, 29475 and higher. American, English speaking foul-mouth unlicensed TRUCKER'S plus as and added attraction; Spanish speaking, males, females & kids; they have all the noise makers. ABOVE 10 METERS: 29800 CB'ERS FIXED STATION.

Those that have the desire to improve Morse code sending here is your chance: Practice Random Code Groups, code practice, send the latest Bulletins and or adjust your equipment on 10 meters, live and right over illegal transmissions.

ARRL is concerned with 70cm, haven't heard NOTHIN' about 10 meters. FCC is silent about everything regarding 10 meters. Heard the ARRL and FCC are AWARE of the 10 meter problem-STOP-ARRL & FCC are on COFFEE BREAK-STOP. How long will they be on extended coffee break for 10 meters?

Some hams have stated: I don't care about 10 meters.
I don't listen to 10 meters. I haven't any equipment for 10 meters. It will go away. I don't hear any trucker's or Spanish speaking on 10 meters, on and on.
Get involved folks or a day will come WHEN you have 10 meters and sit down and hear F_ _ _ #YOU in front of your Grand Kid or wife.

TERRORISM, where have WE heard that before and lately? 10 meters has that capability. No, 70 cm is the hot topic for the Politically Correct.

Hop in your low-rider and take a trip to Southeast Arizona and visit this station if you really want to hear those lonely trucker's using 10 meters.

CU on 10 meters, phone, CW, RTTY and maybe PSK-31.
73 de k7pig.

03-01-2003, 03:34 PM

Few seems the proper way to address this problem on 10 meters. Only a few have the guts and gall to stand up and be counted for what is right, the rest are the lame and lazy. What ashame!

wb1fow

03-01-2003, 04:21 PM

----- Original Message -----
From: "Riley Hollingsworth" <RHOLLING@fcc.gov>
To: <lcollier@townisp.com>
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 8http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif5 PM
Subject: Re: 10M & CB

You're correct. Unlicensed stations have no rights and do not have to be
recognized. thanks

>>> Lee Collier 02/25/03 08:50AM >>>
Dear Mr. Hollingsworth, there is a debate raging on the QRZ discussions on
interference to illegally operated stations. Some HAMS are saying that if you
call CQ or use a digital mode over an illegal unlicensed station on 10M you
are causing willful interference in violation of FCC regs? Is this correct? I
have read the regs and perhaps I am missing something but it seems to me that
if a licensed station is operating over the top of an unlicensed illegal
station on 10M it is not interference. In fact I would assume that the
unlicensed station is the one causing the interference.

Can you please clear this up for us.

Sincerely,

Lee Collier
WB1FOW

kd6efv

03-01-2003, 04:46 PM

Hmmm, I hope Wally's post'll generate more CW activity on 10 meters. I will need to dust off my old Vibroplex and get practicing again.
Thanks Wally for the encouragement.

KC9ANQ

03-01-2003, 05:49 PM

Why the blame on the truck drivers?

Are you positive its a truck driver?

Some here can sure "TALK THE LINGO" I seen the posts.

I have a Cobra 29 and a Icom V8000 in my truck, does that make me a bad guy because i have a CDL?

What type of job do you have? Retired? Welfare? Disabled? hmmmmmmmmmmm

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hop in your low-rider and take a trip to Southeast Arizona and visit this station if you really want to hear those lonely trucker's using 10 meters.
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racial profiling if ive ever seen it!!!!!!!

HENCE THE LAST 3 letters of your call.

I have a C.D.L. and I am a HAM

(i used upper case on HAM to bring out the "DO GOODERS" to tell me that HAM is not a acronym)

well I said my peace.

I am proud of my job and my hobby (though sometime my hobby ASSociates me as a snob.

73

wb1fow

03-01-2003, 06:01 PM

Being a truck driver does not make you a bad guy. Truck drivers that operate on 10M without a license are the problem.

And yes they are truck drivers. It's not just the lingo but they discuss the loads they are hauling, the routes they are driving and the companies they haul for.

You might be a HAM licensed to operate but many of your fellow truckers operate 10M without a license.

Profiling? It is interesting that you reference the last 3 letters of K7PIG’s call. Who is slinging mud? The problem on 10M is real and the root cause is interstate truckers. I’m glad to hear that you are not part of the problem but you should open your eyes and listen. If you are indeed a trucker you know that many of your fellow truckers use CB sets that transmit on 10M. Profiling? NONSENSE.

Lee

wb1fow

03-01-2003, 06:07 PM

KC9ANQ wrote: racial profiling if ive ever seen it!!!!!!!

I didn't know that truckers were a race? I thought that was a profession?

Lee

03-01-2003, 06:27 PM

ANQ: Lee, WB1FOW said it, "ALL CORRECT."

I still have 9 hours of Magnetic Tape Recordings awaiting to be called for. Come on down here and LISTEN TO THEM, all of them.

Your the very 1st amateur radio operator that doesn't like my suffix (PIG). Terrible, what ashame, shame on you.

Yes, as a matter of fact, I'm retired and disabled, what has this scenario got to do with Truck Driver's in the USA operating on the 10 meter amateur radio band ILLEGALLY?

Do you listen and monitor 10 meters?
Do you listen daily to the most obnoxious, blatant foul-mouth trucker's on 10 meters?
Do you record on tape the trucker's with the foul-mouths?
Don't want to be perjudice now, how about the Spanish speaking males, females and kids with all their noise makers, echo, reverberation, o-la's, music, computer generated noises, etc.?
How about the Negro's on 10 meters, gettin' on up, back-y and their foul mouths?

If you operate legally as a trucker, where's the beef?

Pokin' In Glee.

KC9ANQ

03-02-2003, 12:15 AM

ok the "low-rider" comment was not a racial profile? Fine i apologize if it is not

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you operate legally as a trucker, where's the beef?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

i understand the 10m problem but i just hate that the truck driver is portrayed as less than a human attitude,,,, thats my beef.
Wouldnt the same message be sent without blaming the truck drivers specifically?
Maybe I am just taking it to personal?

i totally agree that there should be something done

I let my emotions take over my post and for that I apologize.

This post is done for me but the topic will continue.

73

N0PU

03-02-2003, 01:03 AM

FOW:

That e-mail from Riley pretty well clears up the debate on that subject...

Go get 'em guys!

I may even go back on my word and buy an HF rig again. It'll be two more years before mine is finished... Let's see... what'll it be? Drake? Swan? Hmmmm... I'm off to e-bay....

03-02-2003, 07:49 PM

I've been listening and documenting what I hear thru my transceivers speaker. What I hear are foul-mouth Trucker's using 10 meters as a means to communicate without a valid amateur radio license illegally.
Conducting business unlawfully and as Bob said, giving road routes, loads their carrying, etc.

I have no beef with you, your legal, fine and dandy.

You could be a real asset by gathering information, license plate numbers, States, ICC and DOT Numbers. Be careful and cautious.

Trucker's male and females, Spanish males, females and kids including Negro's, CB'ers fixed station, I tell it the way I hear it.

SWAN 500CX or a SWAN 700CX.

KC7HDE

03-02-2003, 09:21 PM

I have heard the Truckers brag about how they can't be caught because they are always moving.
They even say don't worry about the interferance We'll be out of range soon enough, and continue on.
I drive Truck for a living and hear others brag on and on about their new tweaked radio that they bought for $300 at a near by CB shop.
Most of the fixed stations get the equipment from Mail order or internet.
I think that HF radios should be built like HF amplifiers whereby 10m needs to be installed seperate.
There should be no more mono band 10m rigs or 10m-12m rigs made.

73
Norm. T.
KC7HDE

w3sy

03-02-2003, 10:06 PM

KC9ANQ,

Man, you need to have a beer and chill out. Your post REEKED of defensiveness about the whole illegal operator issue, as well as a couple other issues:

<span style='color:blue'>"Some here can sure "TALK THE LINGO" I seen the posts."</span>

Glad you "seen" 'em. You like my CB'er impression? Yes, I do a pretty good Chicken Bander impression because I've heard those lids. And if you've heard one, you've heard them all. Doesn't mean I fire up my "leenyer" and go "shoot skip" on channel 14. HAW!!

<span style='color:blue'>"I have a Cobra 29 and a Icom V8000 in my truck, does #that make me a bad guy because i have a CDL?"</span>

Ok, here's where you start to get defensive. You are a licensed ham (or since you are a Newbie, that makes you a "HAM" or "H.A.M.", or whatever you wanna be), and that's fine. I have worked a number of over the road truckers who are legitimate ham operators. There's no issue in that. Don't make one. If you use your equipment on legal frequencies, there's no beef with you. Why invent one?

<span style='color:blue'>"What type of job do you have? Retired? Welfare? Disabled? hmmmmmmmmmmm"</span>

Cheap shot at Wally. Personal foul, 15 yards. Automatic first down.

<span style='color:blue'>"I have a C.D.L. and I am a HAM

(i used upper case on HAM to bring out the "DO GOODERS" to tell me that HAM is not a acronym)"</span>

Is that what you want? Ok. "Ham" is not an acronym. It doesn't stand for anything, so it's not capitalized. It's just "ham." Satisfied? Yep, I'm one of those do-gooders who tries to educate Newbies so they can one day sound like they've been around the block a couple times. You're welcome.

<span style='color:blue'>"I am proud of my job and my hobby (though sometime my hobby ASSociates me as a snob."</span>

Nobody here has anything against the trucking industry per se. It's a hard job, and an important one. The ISSUE is illegal operators on the ham bands, many of whom happen to be truckers. If you are not an illegal operator, then nobody here has a problem with you just because you drive a truck.

The second part of your comment is puzzling. Are you saying that because you have a ham license, some of your fellow truckers think you are a snob? Big deal. They are just jealous because they probably can't pass the test themselves. Hell with them.

Out.

KD7LDH

03-03-2003, 07:18 AM

PIG,

Hey I'm about to get a HT capable of tuning to those freqs useing AM/SSB..... What is a cheap homebrew antenna I can use?

-KD7LDH

03-03-2003, 02:47 PM

LDH: I don't know of HT made for 10 meters and if there is one made, I would believe a whip, telescopic aerial would be built-in. I just don't know. Can anyone help LDH?

kg4ivt

03-03-2003, 08:09 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (k7pig @ Mar. 03 2003,07:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">LDH: I don't know of HT made for 10 meters and if there is one made, I would believe a whip, telescopic aerial would be built-in. I just don't know. Can anyone help LDH?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
There are a few but they normally fall under the "export" radio category and are very easily modified by clipping a wire, moving a jumper, taking out a diode/resistor/capacitor, etc. #These modifications usually take them down into the 11m and between ranges.

Then there's the old AEA and Mizuho ones, I think. Those were/are pretty neat. 10m only, SSB/CW, most of them.

KB9YKY

03-03-2003, 08:43 PM

IVT is correct about the "10-meter" walkie-talkie. They are at the truck stops and made by one of those outfits that specializes in marketing junk to the illegal CBers.

KD7LDH

03-03-2003, 09:50 PM

Oh forgot it is a ham rig.... RX only on HF freqs......

What antenna should I use?

-KD7LDH

KB9YKY

03-03-2003, 09:58 PM

A random wire, a dipole, an inverted-Vee, a sloper, a vertical, a loop, a yagi, a coat hanger....possibilities are just about endless.

03-04-2003, 11:48 AM

Glad LDH got some help. I, for one didn't know.

Today my contraption shall be used over the illegals on 10 meters. Gadzooks, it shall be wonderful.

3 days of double-bubble, toil & troubles, IT WORKS.

Have one more item to check on and I'll know about a fault in another present configuration.

KC7HDE

03-04-2003, 01:58 PM

It seems that those illegals like to use the RTTY part of 10m, so I think a good round of RTTY QSO's would be in order.

73
Norm. T.

va3fd

03-04-2003, 04:10 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9YKY @ Mar. 03 2003,16:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">IVT is correct about the "10-meter" walkie-talkie. They are at the truck stops and made by one of those outfits that specializes in marketing junk to the illegal CBers.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Just take a look on ebay in the 'cb' section... for example: here is a 10 meter rig that has a picture of an 18-wheeler on the box! #Just what is up with that... yes, I know there's many OTR truckers that have ham tickets... but it seems to me that this particular 'labelling' is to attract truckers w/o ham tickets at truck stops. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws....ry=4674 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3011040289&category=4674)

Fred
VA3FD / KC2JMG

W1NCH

03-05-2003, 01:55 AM

Notice too that he has relisted his radio. Started at $225--now listed for $185. Too pricey either way; Radio Shack is selling their HTX-10s for $70 these days.

03-05-2003, 09:37 AM

The iilegal types are transmitting within the entire 10 meter amateur band.

Norm, KC7HDE is correct about the RTTY portion.

The ARRL Band Plan for RTTY is: 28070 to 28150.
The FCC Band Plan, there is no Band Plan by the FCC, SO, as of 04-March-2003 this station is now operational on CW, RTTY and PSK-31. More modes will be operational all in due time.

The Band Plan: If I hear illegal activity out of the ARRL Band Plan for RTTY, this station shall and will use CW, RTTY and perhaps PSK-31 on top of them. Did that yesterday on 28735. I'm not in anyway against the Band Plan, however, CW and RTTY have ways of making those illegals shut-up or move and the scenairo repeats itself.
SSB over AM works most of the time but not always, RTTY does a more effective job.

I do respect the ARRL Band Plan with the exception of illegals operating illegally.

28535 AM, foul-mouth trucker's will come up on USB and give you a good cussing out, RTTY or CW will fix the trouble-call.

The need for more hams to operate 10 meters and send CW and or RTTY over the illeagls is REQUESTED.
Listening is NO.1 to identify first, when you hear, Mother F this and F You and F'ing AH you can be sure it's not W1AW or K7PIG, it's TRUCKER'S.

wb6bcn

03-06-2003, 09:37 PM

I as much as others am upset at the Frankinstein FCC unleashed in 1957. With my equipment, 1 watt CW, or 20 watts SSb, #I can't do anything that may seriously interfer with the Freebanders, but #can record the illegal activity.

I think a "Powerful Initiation Getter" may be required to fire up some of us to stop the proliferation of such activities. #This is something that has been over 45 years in the making, #and isn't going to go away overnight.

For taking the initiative to spur interest, and hopefully action to start reversing the trend may make Raymond a "Pretty Intelligent Guy".

K8UPA

03-06-2003, 10:18 PM

I enjoy 10 meter, probably my favorite band. Looking at my log I seemed to have parked there all winter. I too have heard everything PIG talks about although at my qth not as much. I tune up the ol 520S and start sending out some cw, good a time as any, I need the practice http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Kind of funny how you hear how THEY are being interfered with, almost like they have the right to be there in the first place. It's too bad the FCC doesn't seem to care, this has been going on for years. Used to be people had some fear of enforcement, knowing they were running illegal, don't see that attitude anymore.

wb6bcn

03-07-2003, 12:35 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K8UPA @ Mar. 06 2003,14:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I enjoy 10 meter, probably my favorite band. #Looking at my log I seemed to have parked there all winter. #I too have heard everything PIG talks about although at my qth not as much. #I tune up the ol 520S and start sending out some cw, good a time as any, I need the practice http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif #Kind of funny how you hear how THEY are being interfered with, almost like they have the right to be there in the first place. # It's too bad the FCC doesn't seem to care, this has been going on for years. # Used to be people had some fear of enforcement, knowing they were running illegal, don't see that attitude anymore.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Maybe if FCC were to nail some of them, and make sure there is a lot of publicity on the busts, then maybe the fear factor may do some good. There have been some freebanders busted by FCC recently, and also some hams freebanding. The problem is there was nothing in the mass media about them. If you didn't know where to look, or didn't have an interest in the topic, you never knew about it. It needs mass exposure somehow before it can get corrected. If not mass exposure, at least, a lot of us getting documentation into FCC to get these beings off where they shouldn't be. If 10 meter leagles were to start calling cq in whatever mode they want, with as much power as they have when they hear them, or at least document anything that may identify them, we may have a chance to reverse the trend.

K8UPA

03-07-2003, 01:03 AM

I agree. We in the ham community usually know about the enforcement actions when they occur but the typical freebander does not. Maybe if they read about some of the results of getting caught he/she may think twice before transmitting on an illegal frequency.

03-07-2003, 07:21 AM

upa and bcn: I agree. I will admit back in the 1960's when I was a Novice I did have a fear of Mr. FCC, it was always there. Did I right the correct time in the LOG, etc.
Can you recall those days? I sure can.

I can tell just by listening on 10 meters more CW stations have appeared, a good sign.

I speak of this illegal activity almost daily and in conversations with hams on SSB, AM and FM Simplex.
RTTY is an ATTENTION GETTER, few will remain jacking their jaws, most shut-up or move to another frequency or mode. They move, I find them.
Yesterdays log had a mover, she & he moved for 45 minutes, I found them each time until they finally shut-up; Spanish speaking of course.

We are all intelligent, using that intelligence is another thing. The illegals use their intelligence for wrong purposes as we understand it.

I'm in this 10 meter illegal activity for the very long haul.
Publicity, I have mentioned over and over again, not here but in other places.

Using the frequencies on 10 meters the proper way within your license class is the correct thing to do.
We are being noticed and rightfully so.

Yes, we do need more amateurs on 10 meters to help rid the cesspool out.

RTTY for this station and it will be transmitted on top of illegals. I will use the frequency for its intended purpose legally.

O, they are being interfered with; their not being interfered with because they have no right's at all to be transmitting there. We as amateurs are being interfered with.

ka8jhm

03-07-2003, 08:47 PM

Fellow hams, when we talk about enforcement of the FCC regulations, I have to wonder just what enforcement are we thinking about. Enforcement is at the present time non-existant, none, nada, nothing.
As far as getting together information to aid the FCC, I say horsebiscuits. With all of the tapes and e-mails, and snail-mail already supplied to them over the last five years or so, stating the kind of information we are told they are now seeking, they should have been active a long time ago, and they should not need any further info from us.
As far as seeing what steps they have taken to curb the infractions by the trucking industry, they too are none existant. I have read many times the action taken by the FCC regarding issuance of citations for various rule-breaking, most of which are by licensed hams for straying from the legal modes or frequencies.
In reading these actions I would like to take note of the fact, NOT ONE HAS BEEEN ISSUED TO ANY TRUCKER !
This in itself tells me there is more to the story than what we have been told. Are they afraid of the trucking lobby ? is there a payoff ? or are they just too damn lazy, after all, they are on a yearly salary and like most govenment parasites, just don't care about the people that pay their wages.
After more than five years of actively working on this matter, I am totaly disgusted with the whole team in Washington, FCC that is.
I still wonder why anyone would go to the trouble of getting a ticket to operate. The truckers sure don't. There is nothing in the way of them operating on any frequency including 15-20-40 or any other band. They don't worry about the fact we will not converse with them, they'll talk to each other as now in the ten meter band.
Bob ka8jhm

K9STH

03-08-2003, 03:13 AM

For JHM:

If you check the FCC Enforcement Letters on the ARRL website you will find several examples where various truck lines have been cited for illegal operations by the Amateur Radio section. I also think that there have been other branches of the FCC that have gotten involved. However, I definitely think that more needs to be done.

As for publication into the "freebanding" and "CB" world about those persons who have been "caught" operating illegally, I definitely think that more needs to be done in this area. Also, for those licensed amateur radio operators who have been caught "freebanding", I think there needs to be more information published in the amateur radio publications about this. There are an awful lot of amateurs who never read the ARRL webpages (both ARRL members and non-members) and that is the primary source of this information into the amateur radio world.

I do know that amateur radio gets the blame for things like TVI when the vast majority of problems are caused by freebanders and illegally operating CB operators. Several months ago there was a "flap" in my own neighborhood (see http://home.attbi.com/~k9sth for the various Dallas Morning News articles on this) blaming amateur radio operators. From my personal investigations and with comments from those people who were "griping" the most, the problems are apparently from a man and a woman who are operating using AM not on the amateur bands. Unfortunately, the person who is the most affected by this operation hasn't bothered to telephone me when she is actually getting the interference so that I can tune around and try to find them. This person just gets so mad that she forgets to call me! She works at the local grocery store and then complains to me whenever my wife or I go through her line. Every time I remind her to call me and she says that she will. But, so far, no telephone calls.

When these persons are located, I am going to try to get the Dallas Morning News to publicize the fact that the problems were not caused by legal amateur operation but by illegal operations. Since the original article turned out to be relatively favorable to amateur radio (although it was originally designed to come out as a "hatchet job"!), I think that the reporter who wrote the article will be willing to cooperate.

Anyway, illegal operation is definitely a problem and we need to do everything legally possible to help the FCC to eliminate this.

Glen, K9STH

ka8jhm

03-08-2003, 04:40 PM

Glenn, sorry if I missed the one and only (probably) incident where the FCC has issued a letter to any trucking company. I have made these statements because I do, on a regular basis check the ARRL website for FCC actions.
I just checked it again, today March,8,2003 at 1620Z, and of the letters there were none again for any trucking company as of Feb.22. Most were as I stated before to licensed ham operators for infractions, and one to a utility company for electrical interference.
I am very frustrated over the lack of enforcement by the FCC, I remember very clearly about thirty years ago even people in the CB arena used to be very wary of foul language, and always were on the lookout for " uncle Charlie", especially those with extra channels or linears. Today, no one is worried.
I also remember when the FCC made a "bust" it was well published in the papers. Today nothing !
Also, in those days one had to pay for their license, maybe that might be part of the problem. The FCC like all government agencies will not lift a finger unless they can see a monitary advantage to do so.
Bob ka8jhm

K8UPA

03-08-2003, 07:10 PM

Yup there was a couple of busts, stress the word couple. Unfortunately yourself being an individual informed and interested never found out. The fact is you SEARCHED for the information and forewhatever reason were unable to locate it. Kudos to you for looking. The freebanders don't look, don't care and think the FCC is a joke. There needs to be an aggressive campaign on the part of the FCC to inform freebanders of the consequences, otherwise everything else is a mute point.

73

KC7HDE

03-08-2003, 11:03 PM

I have noticed that no one has said any thing about the Canadians that come down to the US and use their Illegal VHF rigs from 150mhz to 170mhz.
I even hear that they call their VHF rigs their big radios.
I also hear that they talk to the RCMP on the rigs and don't even get fines.
Talk about Illegal radios gone wild.

It seems that the businesses up in Canada don't mind the Truckers using there freqs so the Canadian Truckers use the VHF rigs like CB's (foul language and all).
The Organization that is responsible for enforcment is called
Industry Canada, and this Govenment agancy dose nothing about it or any other Radio enforcment, Just listen to some of the FM broadcast stations with the foul language.

73

Norm. T.
KC7HDE

va3fd

03-09-2003, 07:05 PM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif3--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC7HDE @ Mar. 08 2003,19http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif3)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have noticed that no one has said any thing about the Canadians that come down to the US and use their Illegal VHF rigs from 150mhz to 170mhz.
I even hear that they call their VHF rigs their big radios.
I also hear that they talk to the RCMP on the rigs and don't even get fines.

The Organization that is responsible for enforcment is called
Industry Canada, and this Govenment agancy dose nothing about it or any other Radio enforcment, Just listen to some of the FM broadcast stations with the foul language.
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Industry Canada ("IC") is the federal gov't agency responsible for enforcement of all licensing etc. #It's true that they've more or less done a 'hands off' of CB and Amateur... although they will investigate if there are complaints. #Amateur radio is more or less self-enforced here now.
As far as truckers talking to the mounties, I doubt it. #I don't think any cops would be too thrilled at hearing a non-cop on their freqs. #That would be big trouble.

k1ooo

03-11-2003, 03:08 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC7HDE @ Mar. 08 2003,11 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have noticed that no one has said any thing about the Canadians that come down to the US and use their Illegal VHF rigs from 150mhz to 170mhz.
I even hear that they call their VHF rigs their big radios.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Have you ever heard of the Skipless CB? # Families everywhere go down to the Shack at the mall and buy 25 watt marine radios for their homes and vehicles. Tune around the VHF 160 MHz marine band channels and you will be surprised at all the #traffic on the interstate nowhere near a navigable body of water!
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

w3sy

03-11-2003, 06:17 AM

I think the Nebraska Navy uses those frequencies too.

Haven't heard of marine band bootleggers. GMRS is picking up some new activity - some licensed, some not. GMRS is kinda like FRS on steroids.

Speaking of FRS, out here in the country, it's a non-issue, but in the more densely populated areas, what's FRS activity like? Are there ragchewers on there? Is it CB-ish? Or, without skip and high powered amplifiers, is FRS just not "sexy" enough for Joe Chickenband?

03-15-2003, 12:35 PM

That seem rather interesting: 25 Watt Marine Radio's.
I think I'll check that out "Big Radio."
Thanks for that tip.
I new about FRS,MURS and GMRS, already a disaster.
When the FCC catches the illegals, the FCC should have about the same amount of money as the Bureau of Printing and Engraving.

N2NKW

03-15-2003, 02:42 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC7HDE @ Mar. 02 2003,16:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have heard the Truckers brag about how they can't be caught because they are always moving.
They even say don't worry about the interferance We'll be out of range soon enough, and continue on.
I drive Truck for a living and hear others brag on and on about their new tweaked radio that they bought for $300 at a near by CB shop.
Most of the fixed stations get the equipment from Mail order or internet.
I think that HF radios should be built like HF amplifiers whereby 10m needs to be installed seperate.
There should be no more mono band 10m rigs or 10m-12m rigs made.

73
Norm. T.
KC7HDE[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I too am a professional driver. I use that term everywhere I go because it seems no matter where you go in this country, "trucker" is almost always associated with the unwholesome and nasty stereotype that has persisted since the 1970's. Unclean, nasty, outlaws, have no respect for the law or women...you should all know what I am talking about. The thing is, when the drivers out there hear how they are labeled day after day week after week, they start to act like they are "expected" to act. It's almost like brainwashing. You hear it enough time, you begion to believe it. Thats where this attitude of "they can't catch me" and "I don't care about the cops, they can't do anything to me" comes from. There has been a concerted effort by some trucking organizations to clean up the image though. #Owner Operators Independent Truckers Association (http://www.ooida.com)

There was a wild rumor around a while back about how the DOT and local/state police agencies were going to be searching trucks when Clinton had the FCC give the law enforcement organizations in this country the legal right to seize "illegal radio's" #I don't remember the exact details of the act though. #There was a series of threads about a year ago on QRZ about it. #I havent seen or heard of any law enforcement seizure of any type of radio equipment that is accepted as illegal, such as these 10-12m illegally modified radios. I have seen posts about how some law enforcement types have gone out of thier way to check out the ham ops though.

The only way that this problem can be solved is through direct action. Seizure. period. #unfortunatley (as i've said before) the sheer amount of illegally modified radio's out there in the trucks alone is staggering. The state/federal/local law enforcement agencies aren't going to take the time and make the effort to make any siezure or efforts to investigate claims of illegal transmissions on the radio waves.

Another way of moving foreward toward fixing this problem is getting the FCC to start checking on these cb radio shops. I've seen quite a few radio shops out there run by amateur radio ops who sell these ham radios and the illegally mod them for operation on 11m. These guys are a direct threat to the 10m band and should be closed down. But unfortunatly, nobody will do anything about it.

It all comes down to ACTION #not pointless discussion comittees and emails to the government. The government KNOWS about all this stuff yet they refuse to actively take any action in this particular area.

What can we as amateur radio operators do about this?

guess that's all i got to say about this for the moment

Brian-N2NKW

03-15-2003, 09:33 PM

Brian, what am I suppose to look for on that OOIDA page?

N2NKW

03-16-2003, 01:07 PM

Sorry Wally, They seem to have removed the Professional Image link. #it was an editorial comment on how the professional driver should be acting and how to keep you sanity on the road and not fall into the "dirty trucker" stereotype.

There was also a link on there concerning advertising trucks and their drivers in a negative light. #Some of these advertisements such as the advil? commercial a couple of years ago portraying a headache as a rampaging truck and most recently the driverless truck advertisement the superbowl. #I know a lot of these ads are made in fun but are taken way too seriously by the trucking community. It can also be said though that a majority of the public's exposure to the trucking community is thru advertisements and entertainment such as movies and TV shows, most of which portray the truckers and the trucking industry in a negative light. The people see the bad things portrayed in them and take it for reality and react to it as anyone would.

once again sorry for sending the link without checking the info was there...my bad

Brian-N2NKW

03-18-2003, 08:51 PM

OK Brian, no big deal, perhaps something of interest will pop-up on that page, I did save it.

VE3IYB

03-31-2003, 05:58 PM

K7PIG said:

I new about FRS,MURS and GMRS, already a disaster.

According to the latest issue of Pop'Comm on pg.14 they are talking about the International Telecommunications Association submitting a petition to the FCC to "prohibit regular businesses from using FRS Frequencies." ... The FCC has released RM-8499 in WT Docket Number 95-102 to amend Part 95, with the comment period already closed.

Doug VE3IYB

w9ass

03-31-2003, 10:02 PM

I knew 10 meters was a lost cause about 10 years ago when I was an active CBer in Junior High. The fact that 11 meters is a hop, skip, and a jump from 10 just made things more complicated. I started noticing people using Uniden, Ranger, and Galaxy 10 meter rigs modified for CB in their cars and I knew that a lot of dumb people had access to semi-HF from their car or home.

I even spoke to a few hams about these rigs, and they said they were of such poor quality they wouldn't use them if they were given to them. Although I spent a long time on CB, I at least knew that there was a majority of loudmouths that didn't care about regulations and the well-behaved minority wasn't being represented. Oh well, lost cause eh?

11 meter SSB DX was awesome though. I can't wait to break into HF, it will be a lot more civil I hope!

73's

KC9DGM

04-03-2003, 12:39 PM

10 meters is there everyday, nothing is wrong with 10 meters. The open, blatant disrespect for US Federal Law is the human being, there lies the trouble.

When Deregulation went into effective that created the trouble.

Respect for anything in this Country has been a past tense. Most, if not all have this notion embedded in "THEIR" minds, "I HAVE RIGHTS", when it comes down to Federal Law violators it "DOES NOT APPLY TO THEM" because "THEY HAVE THEIR RIGHTS."

Deliberate violations of Federal Laws in this Country is walking a razors edge, many shall witness the Federal process. After the confrontation by the Feds these violators shall and will cry like a spoiled brat, too bad brat you've been caught.

The violators will have all their excuses, if not they will think up a list of excuses. At that time they know the Government is not playing a little game.

Violators have chosen their path, catch me if you can, dangerous path.

10 meters is here today again, enjoy it if licensed to do so, violators will suffer in due time.