Channel 9 & 39lsb

[N0LAY]

The Michiana Emergency monitoring group, who meet at: cbgroup@yahoogroups.com is promoting an iniative to have channel 39lsb, citizen band, designated as an additional emergency channel, to be used and monitored during emergencies. I have joined in the effort since where I live, Mountianous Colorado, I would likely be heard and hear with the more efficient SSB that many CBers are equipped with. The spokesperson for the group states in an article in Popular Communications, is to restore and legitimize the Citizen Band Service. My hat is off to them.
Doug Schwinn n0lay/KDZ0430

[KD5KUF]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N0LAY @ Feb. 03 2003,13:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Michiana Emergency monitoring group, who meet at: cbgroup@yahoogroups.com is promoting an iniative to have channel 39lsb, citizen band, designated as an additional emergency channel, to be used and monitored during emergencies. I have joined in the effort since where I live, Mountianous Colorado, I would likely be heard and hear with the more efficient SSB that many CBers are equipped with. The spokesperson for the group states in an article in Popular Communications, is to restore and legitimize the Citizen Band Service. My hat is off to them.
Doug Schwinn n0lay/KDZ0430[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
If you truly want to accomplish good things on CB radio, join or form you own local chapter of REACT. I just hope when the time comes and you are needed, you can get through the incessant interference prevalent on that band. I would never knock a legitimate CBer (was one myself), but are you making the effort to accomplish this kind of local service in Amateur Radio also?
Remember everyone, as long as you operate in a legal manner according to part 95 & 97 of FCC rules, anyone can be a CBer and a ham. Just don't use a ham call sign on that band and don't use illegaly modified equipment, or operate in the "freeband".

If you can operate to your satisfaction within these parameters, you got my best wishes. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[K2WH]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N0LAY @ Feb. 02 2003,13:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Michiana Emergency monitoring group, who meet at: cbgroup@yahoogroups.com is promoting an iniative to have channel 39lsb, citizen band, designated as an additional emergency channel, to be used and monitored during emergencies. I have joined in the effort since where I live, Mountianous Colorado, I would likely be heard and hear with the more efficient SSB that many CBers are equipped with. The spokesperson for the group states in an article in Popular Communications, is to restore and legitimize the Citizen Band Service. My hat is off to them.
Doug Schwinn n0lay/KDZ0430[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Wait a minute, let me think ................................. Good Luck! ! ! ! #Your efforts should be focused on accomplishing something that will actually happen in your lifetime.

K2WH

[KB9YKY]

Doug, all that is sweet and fine-and-dandy. But why are you posting it on an amateur radio website?

[N4KFT]

Doug, I laud you efforts, but also am concerned that CB will do nothing other than continue to implode onto itself. I think the only legitimate CBers out there are the ones who have never heard of ham radio. #Otherwise they flee from it. I would think that perhaps there is enough ARES/RACES and legitimate ham emergency communication around to keep one busy, but maybe not. Good luck to you, but beware, waiting for CB to get better is akin to putting spoiled milk back in the refrigerator hoping for it to do the same.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
I think you found the wrong group. This is an AMATEUR RADIO group.
If you are truely interested in public service, go join the ARES/RACES group in your area, I am sure they are looking for volunteers.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[W6DXN]

Now hold on a minute--

N0LAY Lookups: 44
DOUGLAS C SCHWINN
3036 TELLER AVE
GRAND JUNCTION CO 81404-5862
USA

This guy is a ham/CBer who is
JUST WANTING TO PROMOTE PUBLIC SAFETY!!! Please do not go rambling on and attacing him for being a CBer. He is only trying to help. I am not saying I do not aggree with some of the other posts, though. I DO think that interests should be directed towards something more returning.

One more thing:
Think of it this way...
If we keep CB, the people who corrupted CB will stay there and won't put us to ruin.

Greg
W6DXN
"Is the problem ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care."

[N9TTX]

For one, one of the big reasons that people THINK CB is such a waste of time, is because all they hear or see from people who, by their own definition and slander of that service, DO NOT RUN IT! Just because most of us on this site are hams does not mean that we are above anyone else...we are just as good as anyone else. Don't turn deaf ears to the B.S. that goes on on the ham bands...HF and VHF...it is there in abundance...sometimes a whole lot worse than on CB. Most who criticise this other service I have found are nothing but chronic complainers and badmouthers with nothing better to do. READ INTO the posts here. The fellow ham and yes, fellow CB operator is posting something to do with emergency communication...something to help out the populace in case of emergencies. Different services CAN work together and have in this area between Ham, CB, Police, Fire, etc..., it just takes the equipment, know how, and absence of narrow minded people...just as in any group effort. I personally think it is a great idea to have and strive for a more "regulated" CB...with the possibility of having an alternate emergency channel...though in the scope of things, out of 40 channels, having two emergency may be a bit much, as "9" does not get enough monitoring/use as it is....although if one thinks about it, if there are two designated channels, one of them can be used essentially as a "calling" channel, and the other a "tactical" channel. It might work. I know there are a lot of people out there that would like to get involved in REACT and also help out when necessary, but those people who have a bad opinion about CB usually put the kibosh to any effort...these people include hams, fire, and police. All it takes is a little effort, time, perseverance, and faith to make SOMETHING happen, and if people are willing to work with each other it will. He may have posted this on a ham site, but think about it. This is pertaining to emergency communication....that is part of our service. Work with him and others, not against. One last jab...would any of you who put the citizen band down REFUSE help if you needed it and the only one there is a CB'er...just because he/she is a CB'er. I think not. I personally have seen/heard more help FROM those with CB than those with Ham tickets out on the highways and byways. Radio is radio...people are people. You all know how to duplex/cross channel from say 440 to 2 meter. Why not cross-channel (not using the same radio of course) ,i.e. relay, with 11 meter. It does work. All you complainers get off yer collective high horse and off yer duff and open your minds and eyes. Just my maybe not so humble opinion. I wish the project luck and let us know how it goes.

Dave....N9TTX

[KC0NBW]

UNFORTUNATELY, 11 METER C.B. HAS BEEN OUT OF CONTROL FOR THE LAST 40 .YEARS

I KNOW SOMEONE WHO CALLED FOR HELP ON CHANNEL 9 ONCE, BESIDES ATTRACTING A BUNCH OF JAMMERS, IT ALSO GOT THE ATTENTION OF SOMEONE WHO CAME OUT AND ROBBED HIM.

IF THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ON C.B. WANTED A LEGITIMATE SERVICE, IT WOULD ALREADY BE THAT WAY,
UNFORTUNATELY, THEY WANT IT THE WAY IT IS.

YOU WOULD HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF GETTING HELP BY YELLING INTO A HOLE IN THE GROUND, THAN TRYING CHANNEL 9 IN MOST AREAS.

NOT THAT THERE ARE NOT GOOD PEOPLE ON C.B., THEEY ARE JUST VERY FEW , AND FAR BETWEEN.

THERE IS NO WAY IT COULD BE CHANGED INTO A VIABLE SERVICE ANYMORE.

CONCENTRATE YOUR EFFORTS INTO KEEPING THE HAM BANDS FROM GOING IN THE SAME DIRECTION, WHILE THERE IS STILL A CHANCE .

[NO7S]

It's unfortunate, but I am afraid true. All the discouraging words you've been reading above (and probably below) are simply refering to the mentality you know you find on 11 meters.
My recall of 27.4mhz (give or take) is that those folks coveted their freq. and do so with illegally modified equip. How are you going to compete with that and not jepardize your license.
The FCC has not been cracking down on them and I'm glad. Mr. Hollingsworth and Mr. Powell have bigger fish to fry and it's kept the 11 meter mentality from becoming a problem for us. I liken it to when Australia was a place to exile the undesireables. (No offence to VK land.) Leave them where they won't hurt any body, give them a place to pollute and hopefully they won't escape before they have been rehabilitated.
You won't ever find the word "service" attached to 11 meters and the word "amateur" will always demonstrate the humility and humble attitude which will allow us the legal limit because we know how (and how not) to use it.
Your heart is in the right place, but as this cliche` usually infers, you'd be better focusing your efforts where they have a chance to make a difference.

73 (translated in CB-nese: 73'S)
Bob

[KB8EFD]

Folks, asking for help on channel 9 really can be dangerous. I know that the 911 dispatchers and local police in this area have quit monitoring it, and I don't know of one base CB operator who monitors 9 - now. I guess that leaves only the criminals, right?
I would advise against calling for help on 9, except as a last resort. The only way I'd do it in a metropolitan area was if I also had a permit to carry a gun. If the only thing I had was a CB, I'd look for a channel with a lot of local activity rather than even try to use 9.
This 'emergency channel' idea has been around for a long time. Channel 9 was a good idea - during the time when it was monitored, somewhat respected, and barely enforced - a quarter century ago.
I don't think that changing the CB emergency call frequency would change anything for the better - now. With ham licenses so easily obtained, it seems that the only folks who stay on 11 meters are - well - not so solid - speaking in general terms. I watched CB sink over the years, hoping it would turn around. It was just wishful thinking.
It was wonderful in the '70s. I almost lived on the road for the better part of the '80s. My radios were my best friends - loved to work mobile HF. I also monitored channel 9 when I was not on 19 during bad weather/bad traffic. I never once heard emergency communications on 9. About the only thing which broke squelch on 9 were high power CBers - which began to splatter over the whole band - mobiles and base stations. When enforcement died, high power splatter took over.
If there was any kind of wreck or emergency, I'd be much more likely to hear about it on channel 19. I gave up on monitoring 9. If there was an emergency, it was useless to use channel 9 to report it. Nobody was listening - range was about nothing. I'd use my commercial VHF telephone, 2 meter, or HF rig to call in emergencies. Channel 9 had died.
The state police monitored channel 9 - years ago. One trooper (and fellow ham) told me that most of the 'emergency' communications he heard on 9 were from motorists complaining about other motorists - to him - but he did get reports of disabled vehicles and wrecks from passing motorists. He also received a few false communications - which sent him off looking for something that didn't happen. I doubt that our highway police monitor Channel 9 - now. Cell-phones took over the task of Channel 9.
Our local cell-phone people have set up '*SP' as a means of contacting our state police, and it seems to work - very well. Local 911 dispatchers have told me that one wreck can yield dozens of cell-phone calls - tying up the switchboard in the process. There's also some accountability when a cell-phone is used. There are more people with cell-phones, than people who use their CB - around here, anyway.
Using 39 sideband would be a great idea, except for all the problems noted, on top of high power DX users on that end of the band - splattering over many channels. They are no respectors of narrow band transmission.
Until there's enforcement on 11 meters, it will most likely remain a free-for-all (barfight). I doubt that the users of that band will co-operate in the least, but I guess it's worth a try. I doubt that you can even get it publicized, or that local law enforcement officials would monitor it. I hate to be so discouraging, but I try to see things realistically.
If use of that channel for emergency communications is accepted and respected, I would be first in line to monitor it. Emergency communications is what it's all about - being there when needed. 73s & 'See ya on the flip'

Respectfully, AB8PX, formerly KB8EFD - Jim

[KM5FL]

Hey Doug:

I say "Go for it!!".... Check back with us in a year and give us a progress report...

[N9MVF]

Ok, I know I'm gonna take some flak for this one, and I know it's an old argument, but...

In this day and age of the possibility, and probability (with N. Korean conflict, Iraq, and terrorists obtaining nuclear weapons) of mass destruction and casualties, the Citizens Band could very well become the only communications tool to reach a vast number of masses. Yes, we as amateur radio operators have the communications skills to coordinate and ensure effective communications, but I'd bet that more Joe Bloe's down the street have a CB rig in their closets than John Doe's with HF rigs. From a purely installed base standpoint, CB is the least common denominator.

I'm not an alarmist, but a realist. The possibility of destructive influences does exist in our own country and beyond. I, for one, will be keeping my CB rigs. I've got a few, and antennas pre-tuned and ready. If a friend, family member or spouse isn't a ham and the "fan" gets splattered with the proverbial you know what, I will still be able to communicate with them and the hundreds of thousands of others that break out their old RoadTalker's they've kept for just that occasion. Yeah, I'll have on my trusty TS-440 and IC-3230, and my various other rigs, but my old Pres. Washington will be on right beside them too (if it'll power up after all these years http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif.

Yes, CB is horrid to try to use now. Yes, it's annoying to hear all of what goes on there. But everybody either has one, or knows someone who does. We, as hams, can't say that yet. "Isn't that something like CB? My dad has an old CB."

As emergency communication coordinators, we need the Ham bands and our skills to effectively send and receive information. As people connecting to other people, in the future, God forbid, but we may need CB just as much.

As we come closer to the edge, maybe not the "brink" yet, but the edge, what's more important? The label on the rig, or the person on the other end?

[W9RAT]

I've read several of the replies to this message...and to sum it all up, it's a joke, like much of what's happening in our hobby.

This has nothing to do with ham vs. CB. There is no comparison between the two communities. And to cover what CB has done for ham radio (those CBers who get a license), or rather what it has done "to" ham radio, all one need do is listen to their local VHF repeater...or look at the current "requirements" to obtain a license. Lids, kids, space cadets.

We've "dumbed down" the requirements to become a ham. Yes I realize that the ham community is shrinking, and I realize that young people are more interested in PCs, etc. vice ham radio. However, these are still facts.

Face it guys: What's happened over the past 15 years to ham radio, and what continues to happen to it, is a reflection of our society, and we have nobody to blame but ourselves. It's prevolent everywhere. We must become "PC" as not to make anyone "feel bad" about not being "able" to pass a test (which I submit is nothing but sheer laziness, and a "give it to me free" attitude).

QST runs ads for "gay" (no, not meaning happy!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif amateur radio groups...as if your orientation has anything to do with the hobby...the list goes on and on.

At the same time we stand around and complain because we are all "too busy" to make a call complaining....or write a letter...or boycot when we feel something is wrong with our hobby.

Bottom line for the author: I'm glad you've found a home on 11 meters, PLEASE don't post your "handle" or any other related nonsense on this HAM board. If that's not PC, too bad. And if 11 meters works so much better than ham emergency services in your area, I think that's a very sad statement of the hobby in your area.

For those of you "touting" the CB "service" on this HAM board, and talking about CB being the only service left to use...PLEASE go back where you came from and stay there. Most of us have grown up beyond the 11 year old child mentality.

73

[W5HTW]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (NO7S @ Feb. 08 2003,08:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Leave them where they won't hurt any body, give them a place to pollute and hopefully they won't escape before they have been rehabilitated.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Uh-oh ... too late. The Class D ham ticket arrived in the early 90s ...

73
Ed

[K8YS]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
"As emergency communication coordinators, we need the Ham bands and our skills to effectively send and receive information. As people connecting to other people, in the future, God forbid, but we may need CB just as much.

"

Yep, and Morse Code saved the world from the alien invasion in "Independence Day"

[W9SX]

Interesting that someone would invest the time or effort on a band that is so completely full of QRM to render it useless. The serious CB'ers in this area have actually gotten licenses and have a network or repeaters on the class A segment (462 MHZ) of the band. Most of them are non technical types that want to do some good if possible. It's a free country and they want to contribute to the public good and NOT be forced to get a Ham license-again their free choice. Don't knock people that want to be good citizens- We will need them all.

Tom W9SX

[kg4ryf]

be extremly careful of who or what you bad mouth.. they may very well be your salvation. would you turn down help just because they were 11 mtr??? i wish you a happy wait. i'll take the help


73 75 joe

[K7LCS]

"SEE BEE??" OH GOD ALMIGHTY SPARE US. TAKE YOUR CLOTHES AND RUN FROM THIS ONE....BAD BAD, IDEA. OF COURSE, NOT FROM A "SEE BEE" BACKGROUND,,WHO AM I TO KNOW?? I DO LISTEN TO THEIR GARBAGE ON OCCASION, AND THEY ARE ALWAYS THERE, WITH THEIR FILTHY WORDS, BAD ATTITUDES...ETC...SOME OF WHICH HAVE OBTAINED #A HAM LICENSE AND DO THE SAME ON OUR BANDS. THEY ARE CRIMINALS FOR THE MOST PART. THEY USE ILLEGAL EQUIPMENT, ILLEGAL FREQUENCIES....ETC...WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD WE WANT THEM AROUND??

[K7LCS]

BY THE WAY, ISN'T FIELD DAY, WHICH HAS THOUSANDS OF EMERGENCY POWERED STATIONS, A PRACTICE SESSION FOR POSSIBLE WARS...ETC...AND IS ALWAYS VERY SUCCESSFUL.....?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif?? I SAY, "GET OUTTA HERE MAN, WE DON'T NEED IT"

[N8NU]

For some reason, I think it would be a better idea to
use channel 39 UPPER sideband for this, since most CBers
using SSB tend to prefer the LSB mode, the use of USB
would mean less interference from the usual users of
channel 39 LSB.
# #BTW, I'm unhappy that so many posters would
"jump on" someone who envisioned a way to make some
positive use of Part 95.

# Rob

[FT990]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W9RAT @ Feb. 08 2003,11:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I've read several of the replies to this message...and to sum it all up, it's a joke, like much of what's happening in our hobby.
This has nothing to do with ham vs. CB. There is no comparison between the two communities. And to cover what CB has done for ham radio (those CBers who get a license), or rather what it has done "to" ham radio, all one need do is listen to their local VHF repeater...or look at the current "requirements" to obtain a license. Lids, kids, space cadets.
At the same time we stand around and complain because we are all "too busy" to make a call complaining....or write a letter...or boycot when we feel something is wrong with our hobby.
Bottom line for the author: I'm glad you've found a home on 11 meters, PLEASE don't post your "handle" or any other related nonsense on this HAM board. If that's not PC, too bad. And if 11 meters works so much better than ham emergency services in your area, I think that's a very sad statement of the hobby in your area.For those of you "touting" the CB "service" on this HAM board, and talking about CB being the only service left to use...PLEASE go back where you came from and stay there. Most of us have grown up beyond the 11 year old child mentality.
73[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
What a fitting call sign...RAT. I see nothing wrong with what NOLAY is talking about. I'm a low life and don't deserve a ticket because I talk on CB also?? I guess monitoring CB and helping folks while I'm in my tow truck is a waste of time since EVERYONE is a ham and has ham equipment in there vehicles right? Don't put your foot in your mouth by saying everyone that operates CB has a "11 year old child mentality", You may find I'm a much better operator than you will ever be. You don't know me and I don't apreciate your "11 year old child mentality" of grouping every operator into one class. If I were that way I'd have to say that all hams are blind grumpy farts with attitudes like you. I'm not that way, If I were I would have no intrest in getting my license. I hope you put more thought/effort into the way you operate your station than you do your attitude. Back to NOLAY....Although I applaud your efforts, I too have my doughts it will work and remember that the majority of CB's out there are AM so I'm not sure how SSB would work out BUT that certinly dosen't mean it's not worth trying. I say GO FOR IT! If it dosen't work,Then the worst outcome will be the loss of a service that wasn't there to start with and the aggrivation of it not working out. We all can get a little aggrivated sometimes. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[kj5t]

Do we need CB? Well I have never been a CBer I have only listened alittle bit, what I have found is a bunch of perverted and/or rude people. I have not been a ham but for alittle over a year, so I took the test after they lowered the requirements, I hear people all the time talking bad about hams like me who got their ticket after they lowered the requirements. Of course that has no effect on CBers coming to ham radio, I mean I have met several truck drivers who are not Ham radio operators. I have found them to be nice people, they have helped out in time of need since they are on the road so many of them know the weather and other things. In fact several of the ones I have talked to drive for Wal-Mart and are members of ARES/RACES. The hams that still run CB are just either trying to keep with those who have not gotten their tickets or just having a CB around might be a good thing. Like another ham pointed out, there may be a time when we depend on CB radio to talk to those who do not have there ham tickets.

Youth on ham radio! I have heard a few not like this, some people have been rude to me on the radio because I am a "Young Ham". This does not make me happy never has and never will. Ham radio is supposed to be for all people,the youth is the future of ham radio. Now yes many of us teens spend time on the computer more than the radio, therefore I have been trying to get my friends in the hobby by pointing out the digital modes. So the ham that had to make this an all out battle between New/youth hams and Veteran hams well here you go. There is nothing wrong with CBers who enjoy both ham radio and CB radio, nothing wrong with are ham bands getting more and more people, and nothing wrong with CBers posting here, who knows maybe letting them post here might get them on the air.

-

[N9TTX]

Hmmmm....now THAT would be a better idea about using USB...it does make more sense, and may work better.

and K7LCS..quit yelling and making blanket statements about something you apparently know nothing about.
And myself being a wisconsinite...I will reitterate a saying...do you want some Cheese with that Whine? Get a grip.

Hmmmmm I THINK I remember another saying..and me not being overly religious...let the one who has not sinned throw the first stone. And take that as a Ham to Cb'er and back...just cause we are hams, we are not perfect and act that way as a collective. One can do good with the bad apples if one WORKS with them....also who knows...not only giving one help in an emergency, could it possibly be that one of these "foul mouthed criminals" is the one that may have contributed to the design of your ham rig or has FIXED it on occation??? chew on that.

As to an earlier post, there is NOTHING wrong with giving one's callsign on CB...I myself have done so and have gotten a barrage of return calls back asking for help on what they need to know about this or that...including how to become a ham.

A question for all of you. SINCE a lot of people supposedly know how the 11 meter band is run, how do you know, do you have and run a CB, or run a converted ham rig, if you are just running a reciever, why not do what MOST people do who don't want to watch a certain TV program or listen to a certain broadcast radio station do...DONT TUNE TO IT..DUHHHHHHH!!!!!!

As the Thing said...".....Nuff said!" As to the original post author...Kudos again.

Dave N9TTX....AE-976 (American Eagle Sideband Club...for those who don't know)

[kj5t]

N9TTX,
Very well said, I have never talked on CB and I don't think I ever will. Not because I think bad things about it, I just find that there is plenty of stuff on ham radio. Now yes I agree its good to have a CB if in case it is needed in time of need when amteur radio is no avalible, then again thats pointless to think about because even if the repeaters were taken out there is always simplex.

[ki4udk]

i cant belive im reading this .some of you hams needs to grow up .some of you are no better than cbers. i all ways thought that hams where great untill i read this.its sad all this guy is trying to do is help someone that needs help .

[NO7S]

OK, time for a "gut check..."
Those of you endorsing 11 meter usage confess:
--Is your 11 meter equipment stock and legal or has it been "tweeked??"
OOOOORRRRRR Worse: Is your amateur equipment modified to TX on 11 meters?

If you can say "yes" to either of these then you'd better check your gut and stop throwing stones.

Bob http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[N9TTX]

Just for information sake since NO7S asked.....On 11 meter I have a president Madison....with the previous owners mods taken out and brought back to 40 channel stock. I also run a Hallicrafters crystal controlled 8 channel base (CB-3A) on channel 14 and a couple others as I only have a few tx crystals. I have various other mobile and base radios, some of which are sorta different. Kris XL-50 (has recieve mods for up and down 40 channels, but the TX is cut out when switched. A 4-button president Grant...stock, a CDE Mark-26 (I am looking for a few more of these CDE's as mine is in dire need of repairs), a couple of Midland 13-976 bases, and of course my favorite radio (my 1st rig) an old 23 channel Sparkomatic. All are stock or have been returned to stock operation. I also have many other bases and mobiles...in all states of working operation. Yes I have collected over the years a few "exports", but no I do not run them. I have ideas for them involving transverters for the VHF and above bands, so I keep them in the shelf. The Rigs that are touted by some as "bad" radios...i.e. the Ranger 2950's and the Galaxy Saturn Turbo (base form of the 2950), and some of the amps I have backing those 2950's up in the mobile are strictly 10 meter...and only 10 meter. The FT 101E and the 101-B I have in the shack have an 11 meter setting, but it is going to be used with 12 meter crystals which should be ordered shortly. Come by the shack, ignore the ever present mess, and I'll give a tour. I collect old tube and crystal controlled citizen band equipment, and some of it actually still works well (the Hallicrafters for example). Some of the CB equipment I get in every so often do have mods in them, and if I haven't gotten around to stripping them out well then I am guilty, but I do not run them....I will say anymore cause I used to before I got my license....so condemn me, but like I said, I do not anymore, and find no reason to. I like to listen to the out of band traffic, but as the Kris is set up...the TX is not functional there. I try and monitor 11 meter in the car, but as of right now, I have no dedicated antenna at the house for it so it has to share my 10 meter copper or fiberglass. I enjoy talking on that band as well as on the ham bands...I don't abandon my long time friends in lieu of new ones. If I am out on SSB there usually I am on 38LSB, 14AM/SSB or 19AM, and if just monitoring I have 9AM going.

As for the other Amateur Gear...apart from the aforementioned Ranger, Turbo, and 101's, my Ranger 5054 for 6 meters is bone stock (not even sure if there might be mods for it), The Icom 27H does not go out of band as far as I know, the Kenwood TM-621 recieves out of band but no TX. The FT-736R to my knowledge does not have any out of band TX. My Radio Shack 242 and 204 do not transmit out of band either.

Just for argument sake though....Bone stock the FT-101E and B, and my Kenwood TS-120S do transmit out of band if you go by frequency on the dial...to my knowledge there IS no safety TX cutout when you go out of the, for example, 14.225 to 14.350 range...one can still transmit...Hmmmm...does other amateur equipment do this and require us to police ourselves...could be....otherwise there would be settings in teh radio proper that one would have to set for class. But that is getting a bit far fetched doncha think? so if you discount this inherent "stock" out of band in these older rigs, well, my stuff is legal.

Doesn't is also say somewhere in the good old test questions that are "law" for one's ham ticket, that "in the case of an emergency/life or death situation" we are authorized to use any means of communication on any service to get help? Isn't that the basis behind this thread? Emergency communication....plain and simple. Let's work together.

Hope that answers some possible questions and shuts some mouths.


See you on ALL the bands possible.

Dave.........N9TTX

[K9DI]

Hello all,
# # Wayne K9DI es Leader Dog Sequoia here. #I read this thread and was APPALLED at the amount of vitriol being thrown around. #ENOUGH is ENOUGH! #
# # 11 metres can be a viable and useful band. #A ham license does NOT give us the right to look down our noses at others for the choices they make. #If someone wants to use 11 metres then have at it. #in Fall 2000 the XYL es I bought some 11M walkie talkies from Radio Shack because although I have my license she doesn't (yet) and FRS was too expensive and didn't offer the range we needed. #While we used these walkie talkies we sometimes had to change channels to avoid the splatter, but so what? #I've had to QSY on the ham bands to avoid the same type of splatter from someone running an amp especially on 40M down around 7.044 (Holaaaaaaaaa). # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
# # Someone posted about all hams being blind grumpy old men : well, I fit one of those criteria, I'm not old or particularly grumpy, but I am 95% blind and work with a dog guide. #BTW: I know quite a few blind ops and have yet to meet a blind op that is rude on the air. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
# # Good lord, now all we need is for this to turn into a no-code vs. know-code brawl. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
# # Please bear in mind that if we continue to fight among ourselves we WILL degenerate into that which some fear...As they tell my daughter in school... STOP and THINK
73/72
de
Wayne K9DI

[kd7nqb]

Ok well this sounds like a cool Idea but here is a tiny problem with it. Right now most manufactures of CB's do something special with chan 9 like making it appear red or circleing it there and most of the people using cb's have old eqiupment that is only marked with chan 9 differently.
Also as to the person who said that the only decent cbers are people who do not have heard of ham radio well I have a slight proplem with this. As an active member of my Boy Scout troop (Troop 605) I assist K9OX in teaching the ham radio merit badge and after some control operating we then let the boys run around with cb's and practice different things like using phonetics and giving a proper QTH and even memorizing a tiny piece of code (there name)
So in this way it is useful since we do not have enogh licensed hams (yet) in the Troop to have each boy pair up with a control operator but so far we have 5 and we are working on several more.

[kb3hmj]

Its unreal how some hams make such straight out ignorant statements and think that they are better than anyone else just because he has a ticket and knows some code. Grow up.

I was an over the road truck driver who got tired of listening to all the NOISE on CB. CB is what got me in to ham in the first place and I think that happens a bit more than you might think.

I doubt that the idea would fly but who are we ta say that he should not give it a shot. The Earth was thought to be flat you know. I for one wish him luck.

I am a ham who has yet to get my code ticket and I am having a real hard time learning the code. I know why and I have a reason but I am not going to wimper about it, but being looked down upon buy another ham for it is something I will not take. So get off your high hores (And you know who you are) And help someone from your throne.

73's to all

[KC8FKS]

It seems to me that ALOT of you up tight HAM OPERATORS have forgotten where YOU came from.
90% of the hams I know got there start on the CB band.
But they got big heads when that ticket came in the mail.
I too got my start in CB and am darn proud of it.
If it wasn't for dads old midland mobile hooked to a small power supply and a mobile ant. welded to a pair of vice grips stuck out on the edge of the roof I probably wouldn't be a ham today.
And yes I still have my old cobra 142 and it too still sits next to all my ham gear and gets a good work out for dx every once in a while.
Sure there are some rude people on 11 meters that talk trash and play music but there are still a FEW good people in dxland.
Over the years I have found RUDE people on the ham bans ALSO.
But i wont give up on either hobby just because there are rude people on the bands.
If you were to do that you would have to give up on life besause you meet rude people EVERY day.

Just my two cents worth.
THANKS
Doug(kc8fks)

[K8YS]

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SOMEONE HIJACKED MY POST!

I said in my first post that N0LAY must have had the WRONG WEB SITE... this site is Amateur Radio related - NOT a citizens band site, and if he really wants to perform a public service he would join his local ARES/RACES group.

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Now, on to the current thread;
NO, most of us have NOT forgotten where we came from, that is why we do not want to go back.
When we moved on up from that neighborhood, we left the junk cars on cinder blocks in the yard, we did not tow them with us.

26.9MHz to 27.41 MHz is a wasteland. I don't care if there are is a majority of good people there, it is a useless waste of spectrum because of the minority of bad people. Don't believe me, go listen... right now, go dial up between 25.1 to 28.3 and you will hear out of band operations, and the assigned channels between 26.96 and 27.41 is one huge whine.

Anyone that is serious about safety has a cell phone. A cell phone works even if you do not have a subscription to the service. If you are in an area that does not have cell service, what makes you think there is anyone listening to 27MHz?

And, on a final rant, WHY 27.395? (ch39) -- CB ch9 is already designated as an "emergency channel". If you are going to promote emergency communications, why not start on ch9? I cannot see anything in FCC pt 95 that says you cannot use SSB

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[K8YS]

hey KC8FKS/4, when you dust off that old Cobra CB for a little DX, rememebr the FCC rules limit the distance. Why not just upgrade that Tech license and check out 10 meters for some REAL DX

[N9TTX]

Radioman....even though it deals with CB it also deals with emergency communication, and we as hams are part of that. For example if various hams know by reading this site that his proposition may be viable and want to offer help because they did not know prior to the post that there was some organization going on, I did not, (and I may be in an emergency situation in that area someday in the future, AND the only thing that may be available is CB), this means that it pertains to amateur radio in the emergency communication area. It will also let these hams and non hams alike who frequent this site, know if the project works. Something else that I mentioned earlier...the extra channel may be a good idea just because if there is a lot of emergency traffic on 9 as might happen in that situation, use 9 as a designated calling frequency and then move off to either LSB,USB or AM on 39 for tactical work....such as doing so on 146.520, or any repeater pair for example. call out for someone on say the Menomonie 146.610 repeater for someone and if they are in range for a legthly QSO, move to a simplex. Personally I think it is a good idea. And yes it does pertain to Amateur Radio by little grappling hooks.

BTW where is your callsign? I don't see it!

Dave......N9TTX

[N9TTX]

Oh since you also brought it up....There is a distance limit written into the CB rules...but think about it....one can work the world on QRP. It is tough to try and talk up to the Mileage limit...(even god forbid with amplifiers...even on the ham bands and remember CB is inside the HF amateur spectrum) is it 150 or 250 miles I cannot remember offhand. It is easier to talk across the country on QRP than it is to talk 15 miles some days. This is one rule I think personally think should be scrapped. One running perfectly legit on their CB may be able to talk to another also running perfectly legit across the country. What is wrong with that...why call on the phone from say Maine if you can talk to your brother in California for free on stock CB's. You KNOW it can be, and has been done. Again off the current thread, but since you did deviate from it, I thought I'd give my opinion on that also.

Doug(kc8fks)....Never get rid of that 142....they are nice rigs.

Dave.....N9TTX

[KM5RY]

First, this is a ham site, but I think we can entertain a different view for a few minutes. Why not, are we not involved in communications ... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif Then again as an "old fart", I'm supposed to be grumpy and rude ... it does make us all look bad when an "old timer" belittles a new or young ham. I really don't care how someone got their license, as long as they did. Support this hobby and maybe YOU will serve as the example that adds another quality communicator to the ranks of amateur radio. Act like the ass you can be and set the same example... nuff said.

Jim KM5RY

[KB9YKY]

N9TTX...if anything the allowable CB range should be reduced to something like 5 miles or so. No CBer is "legit" unless he is using it for it's intended purpose...being a low cost SHORT RANGE service for business and personal activity. Anyone one using the CB service, which has proven to be a total failure, for hobby purposes is not "legit". http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[KC8FKS]

What makes 10 meter "REAL DX"??
Just becauses its a HAM band??
Ham radio operators need to stop having such big heads.

[K8YS]

N9TTX -- my call is right here is front of me, on this side of the monitor... YES, I have one, well, I have several if you count the disaster service groups that I am the trustee. I hold a 1x2 call.

KC8FKS -- YES, 10 meter is REAL DX... REAL DX is LEGAL DX... if you chose to break the rules, perhaps it is time to leave Amateur Radio and go back to citizens band.

HAMS follow the RULES, we may not always agree, but we do not break them just because we feel like it or the band is open. CB'ers do just that.. band opens, the rule book is promptly ignored, and if they can find one, they buy a little help, why do they do this, because they did not take the time and trouble to bother to get a license, to sit before an examiner and show that they were willing to play by the rules.
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[KG4IUA]

Holy Cow Batman!!! Glad this msg thread isn't the next promotion blueprint for
Amateur Radio!!! Part of our job as providing emergency communications is to use our
talents and equipment to serve the public. Utilizing a CB to monitor and use during an
emergency only makes sense. Would it be the preferred method to most on this thread?
No, it doesn't appear so. But if a post 9/11 type disaster should come, people will use
every means possible to communicate. We are in the process of building a mobile
emergency communications unit and there will be a CB radio in it as well as many other
modes of civil, government, maritime and amateur equipment. Our area is made up of small towns
and very rural areas. Being in a hurrican target area and having been through many
emergencies, cell phones can not be relied on.

I'm amazed at the bashing this fellow ham received for simply being "pro-active". If his
efforts saved or helped one person...then it will have been worth it all. Good luck and
please do let us know how it goes for you.

[NO7S]

Well, this has been extemely enlightening.
Cudos to those who feel they will succeed with their QRP vs. Idiot King of the Propogation on 11 meters.
I'm not looking down my nose as much as I'm pitying the lack of reality.
My technical teeth were not cut on CB, but rather in commercial radio. By baby sitting FM cartmasters and sub-tone reel to reels. By walking out to the base of towers with a calculator and making sure all six air conditioners were operating while a couple dozen "fish-bowls" were doubling as a sauna.
My apologies for not having the down to earth experience that the "typical" ham has had.
But really... tell me, what have I missed.

Bob

[N9TTX]

All I was asking is what your call sign was as you don't post it....simple question.

[KG4RYT]

IF YOU CHOSE TO USE THE CB BAND, SINGLE SIDE BAND WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO GO. LESS NOISE AND THREE TIMES THE RANGE OF AM (4 WATTS VERSES 12 WATTS) ALSO COMPRESSED INTO ONE THIRD OF THE BAND WIDTH. ALSO UNLIKE TEN METERS WHICH HAS BECOME NOTHING MORE THAN A MEXICAN CB BAND YOU WILL FIND CB SSB A BETTER VENUE THAN FM FRS OR GMSR RADIOS. YOU WILL NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH LINE OF SIGHT.

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P.S. CB OPERATORS ARE NOT ALL JERKS , SOME ARE BETTER THAN MOST OF OUR 75 METER OPS.

[KB9YKY]

RYT: A SSB cb has exactly the same power as an AM one. The so-called 4-watt AM transceiver puts out the same PEP as the SSB unit (12 watts PEP max.). The increased range is accomplished by the improved signal to noise ratio of the narrower bandwidth used by suppressing the carrier and the opposite sideband.

[ke4pjw]

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Wouldn't that be more than 100% modulation? (4 watt carrier, 12 PEP) I thought that C.B.s were supposed to be clamped at 40% modulation. (I haven't read part 95 in 15 years though.)

[KK7AC]

If you want a ligitimate service, you found it ... Ham radio. Why would you try to "duplicate" a service that does not "work". I mean for hells sake, the one channel on SSB CB is always experiencing skip conditions that reach the 30 dB level from sun up to sun down. All I ever hear on that frequency is a continous roar of hetrodynes and voice siganls calling "CQ DX" and "Monkey Wrench 204 Alpha in the cactus patch" spread over hundereds of cycles. #How can that be effective? Channel 9 is already for "emergency" #---and ever listen to it?? Much less ask for help?? Now you want to add to the dredge a SSB channel?! Wow, sounds like one should upgrade.

I think that ham RACES/ARES can fill the bill just fine. We (hams) can use a multitude of bands, output power, modes, satellite, APRS, Echolinks, packet data...on and on and on. When 20 meters gives out, we go to 40. 20 getting crowded, go to 15 meters. Want to deploy groups over a large area on foot, bring in a repeater. One repeater not enuff? - link them via 222MHz or Echolink. #Can I site a hundred other examples? Yes. In comparision.... a single crappy SSB "channel" will be of some benefit?! LOL!

If the reason is to arm the average unlicensed "lay person" with localized emergency communication to augment public safety or ham for that matter or beyond cellular for instance, then use a much better service; Family Service. #It's clear, more flexible, and will not skip 5,000 miles. There cheap and everyone is getting them because they work. If you want to talk great distances, then find the local EOC and get in touch with the ham there.

Again, if you want real emergency communications that #can overcome ANYTHING, then you should consider getting a ham ticket of General class or higher. I find it funny that anyone would want to make something of a completely useless mode/band. Dont reinvent the wheel; we have it here in ham radio -welcome to earth!

[N3BZA]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif Incredible that the world of Amateur Radio feels that much resentment about the Citizen Band operators [if we could name them that..] Like a lot of you...i also came to the world of "Ham Radio" through CB, my first 'rig' was a Radio Shack - 40 channel handie talkie, which provided tons of hours of fun for me and my brother when we used them. I agree that that spectrum of frequencies are out of control, and have gone beyond the 27.405 limit set by the FCC, but as far as trying to obtain an alternate frequency to the R.E.A.C.T channel 9 frequency...go ahead...only the sky is the limit...take all critical remarks as 'constructive' and move on. When I go on the road, and being a military member, I do travel a lot throughout the eastern board, I tune to channel 19 instead of your local 2m repeater, - or have you tried to tune in to the local repeater as you travel and make a call...see how many reply.... I have used channel 9 for assistance and have obtained it (Maryland, DC, VA) as far as any other states..I couldn't tell ya, but continue on with your quest and best wishes to you and your team.

Edward B. Mendez
Ft. Eustis, VA
former 2AT177 (circa 1992)

[n3wkm]

N9MVF had a good idea. The person that posted the initial thread had a good idea also. With all the negative comments I can understand why we're not gaining any more licensed operators to the Amateur Radio Service.

It's been my experience in ham radio, thus far, that 90% of the licensed amateur operators had their beginnings in C.B. While growing up, in the seventies, I had a C.B. radio in my bedroom. In the seventies having a C.B. radio to chat with your friends is akin to a teenager having the internet chatting with their friends today. In twenty five years will todays youth be whining, moaning, and saying, "I can remember when the internet was a good place to talk with people but since the (fill in your favorite alphabet soup agency here) de-regulated it it isn't worth a damn!" Those of us that think the Amateur Radio Service is so almighty then listen to 75 and 80 meters sometime and maybe re-think your position. Listen to all the 1x2 and 2x1 calls that are doing the infractions, that is if they I.D. at all.

Why do most amateur radio operators deny that they had their beginning in radio with C.B.? I never have. It reminds me of the saying, "95% of the male populace masturbates and the other 5% won't admit it". If you were, or currently are, a C.B. operator why deny it?
I'm not proud of the way the band has turned into a freak show at times but I still don't deny that I started out in radio with C.B.

Getting back to N9MVF's statement earlier. I was a police officer with a county police department in the state of Maryland. Our radio system was a 800mhz trunked system that had been, and still is, in place since it's installation in 1989. As of January 2002, when I left the department, we were still using the original Motorola STX radios and the county has been "planning" to upgrade the system for the past three years. For one whole year prior to Y2K there were computer folks conducting upgrades to the control computers for the system. When midnight rolled around on New Years Eve we weren't sure if the radio system would work or not. All of my fellow officers, obviously, were concerned about being able to at least communicate from car to car if they needed assistance. All of them knew that I "knew something about radios" so I became an unofficial point of contact with radio related questions. Every officer took my suggestion and bought a C.B. radio. Easy to install, no license requirement, inexpensive, and they had decent transmit range. Some even bought low power amplifiers to ensure they would be able to talk to each other. I still have the C.B. radio I bought for the Y2K problem, it's a Uniden Grant XL and it works beautifully. I sometimes listen to it when I travel and have found that, despite how irritating echo chambers and roger beeps are, the folks on channel 19 aren't any less offensive than those on 75 and 80 meters. I'm more offended by the racist rhetoric I've heard on the Ham bands than by the cursing on the Citizen Band. Ever tried to get directions or road assistance on 2 meters? Give it a try on C.B. and I'll bet that you will get better results.

I'm not pro this radio service over that radio service. I enjoy all aspects of radio, any kind of radio. I still believe that C.B. can be a viable service if need be.
Every radio service has it's bad apples. C.B., Amateur Radio, F.R.S., and even broadcast radio. If you don't believe me then listen to Howard Stern sometime. Would you consider broadcast radio to be a worthless service becasue he's a Shock Jock? One thing to remember is that all radios have one common feature..... a switch to turn it on and off.

[N9TTX]

To: N3WKM


* CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*

Dave..... N9TTX (Ham)
AE-976 (American Eagle SSB club member..CB)

[KB9YKY]

The so-called "police officers" that N3WKM told about that installed illegal amplifiers on their illegal CB stations are a disgrace to all the honest and decent real police officers and law enforcement agencies out there. Those criminals belong in prison for their felony crimes and disregard of the public trust!

[KG6JTB]

Wow- A great many of you are missing an important fact. More Americans have easy access to CB equipment than they do ham radios. In the event of an emergency of great magnitude, don't you think these 2-way communications devices could be mustered into service in some fashion?

I'm not saying your typical CB'er is going to be critical in providing much help, but there are tens of thousands of cb's in closets and garages in the U.S. that could be used locally in the event there is a catastrophie.

Get your mind out of the 11m "box", and think about ease of access and use of such devices, zero license requirements, and the potential that any 2-way communications device can have between parties with specific intent.

Dave - KG6JTB

[KD5KUF]

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Or any HF frequency, day or night. Especially 40 and 80 meters.

I am a tech, and proud to be a good one. And a CBer. What rock did you crawl out from under to be an ace number one operator by birth, and automatically better than any newcomer, and free to trash us all with a very broad brush.
The man who started this thread was trying to accomplish something positive, and educate his local fellow CB operators about the good they can do, rather than the harm usually done. But as usual, some crusty OF has to start in with the hate and disrespect of someone with a different opinion or idea than his cherished beliefs. I am an OF too, but I hope I never get that crusty. I welcome any one who can behave himself and be the best operator he can be. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[N4UB]

I read some of the comments posted and decided to add one thing I haven't seen mentioned, at least when I stopped reading. It's too bad that the "language" has caused a lot of people to stop monitoring any channel. The recent news articles we read about cars piling up in foggy conditions point to a legitimate need which CB has in the past been able to do better than any radio service. Because the radios don't normally transmit great distances, the truckers for #the most part know the road conditions ahead. Some of these pileups could be avoided if more people listened. Not a bad suggestion. But a #designated channel needs to #be chosen based on maximum exposure to users. What channel that is I have no idea. It's too bad the utility of the band has been eroded to the degree it has today and the potential
public benefit possibly lost. Nothing wrong with someone
trying to salvage what they can (regardless the source.) The emphasis should be saving lives, nothing else.

[KB9YKY]

Better yet...It would be good if drivers would learn to slow down and not go driving around in the fog. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[WB2GOF]

I, too, started with CB, in the early 70's. #It "peaked" my interest in radio, if you will. #I agree that it is mostly a wasteland now, but who knows. #In an emergency, it just might work. Why trash it before we explore it? #What about GMRS? #It too is a licensed service, and hasn't turned to trash. #It too has repeaters. #There are more licensed ops in GMRS than there are Amateurs. #I say in an emergency, go with what works. # But, no, we're hams. #We bash first and take no prisoners....

[KC8FKS]

Hey Radioman,
When was the last time you visited my "SHACK"?

If you had you wouldn't have seen ANY illegal equipment or ANY illegal mods. to ANY of my WONDERFUL citizen band radios.

I operate my radio as is from the box on 27.395 lsb for good dx.
This is the freq. of a wonderful club that I belong to.
With nets just like amateur radio.
So dan't jump to conclusions about someone unless you know all the facts.
I have heard just as much crap on 70 meters as on c.b and I don't sit and bash amateur operatons.
I think BOTH are great hobbys
There is no need to bash one or the other just because YOU don't agree with it.

[KC8FKS]

By the way I have not broken 1 rule since I became a ham in 1996 nor have I broken and c.b. rules sine I started in that in 1980.

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[K8YS]

FKS;
YOU are the one that announced to the world that you operate DX on cb...

70 meters? Is that a new cb band?

[W1CAR]

Hmm, CB... that brings back some memories.

I remember being cussed out by every trucker in the world because I was in a four-wheeler. Hearing smokey reports and radio checks all day.. oh, and the F-bomb being dropped like it was the only adjective, noun, verb, adverb, and preposition in the English language. The Cadillac Kid talking to truckers and asking them "where ya headed?" all day long. And, there was Silver Queen; some lady who lived in a trailer park and made every attempt in the world to get truckers to stop by "her pad" for undisclosed reasons.

I used channel 9 once for a road assistance call, and was told to "shut the f___ up" by someone calling himself the "masterblaster." I actually found some assistance on channel 19, amongst all the doubling, road noise, whistling, and illegally over-amplified stations in Mississippi. He called a tow truck for me, and gave me the assistance I needed. This again, was not a real emergency.

Now, had this been a real emergency, would I rather have a CB to call for help than nothing at all? Yes. Would I trust anyone who said they were coming to help? No. Would I have my gun near me at all times during the entire situation? Yes. Is ham radio much more reliable and safe? Of course it is.

See, there used to be a day when the State Police around here monitored channel 9; and that gave everyone piece of mind. To my knowledge, they now keep the squelch turned all the way up and/or the volume turned all the way down so they don't have to hear Spanish-speaking CBers who think channel 9 is used for rag-chewing. It is useless now.

Lots of guys have a CB rig lying around. Most of them don't have LSB and USB capability. I personally have one, (which I tried to sell not long ago with no luck) that has sideband capabilities; but what kind of power are we talking? Legally; 5 watts AM and 12 watts SSB. And, last time I checked, the vast amount of handheld CBs out there don't have SSB capability... I remember one in particular, but it has since been discontinued. Either way, my 2m HT with a +3db antenna could transmit farther.

Personally, I'm not an advocate of the Citizens Band. It is way out of control, and has been for some time. Any ham taking his/her time to make it better is fighting a battle that they will never win; simple as that...and their efforts are better spent on something more constructive. Such as; maintaining our amateur bands and fighting to keep amateur radio alive and healthy.

The way things stand all around the country: channel 19 is where everyone is. channel 9 is supposed to be the dedicated emergency frequency. Creating another frequency for emergency only would never become a nationally recognized ideal.

For a local area, it may work. If it works for your area, so be it and more power to you. I wish you luck.

I will stick with 2 meters, 75 watts, and my 5/8 wave if I need help mobile...and if I'm at home, 50 watts and my 13b-2.

[KK7AC]

YES!! W1CAR you hit on the head..Thats exactly what I was saying!! Please read my post yesterday on the issue. I'm like you, it is an uphill battle, and no one cares about the CB service; it's unfortunate. If you want real emergency communications that can allow you to use MULTIPUL bands and MULTIPUL modes, get your general class.

PS ::I like the no-coders talking about working DX (illegal) using made-up pretend "call signs" by some club. 70 meters?? Is that another band the "freebanders" use with their 101E's?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif???

[KK7AC]

YES!! W1CAR you hit on the head..Thats exactly what I was saying!! Please read my post yesterday on the issue. I'm like you, it is an uphill battle, and no one cares about the CB service; it's unfortunate. If you want real emergency communications that can allow you to use MULTIPUL bands and MULTIPUL modes, get your general class.

PS ::I like the no-coders talking about working DX (illegal) using made-up pretend "call signs" by some club. 70 meters?? Is that another band the "freebanders" use with their 101E's?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif???

[K8YS]

I like the idea of "mustering the cb's out of storage" in time of emergency... are you kidding? Imagine the massive kaos in a very limited subband that we know as "citizens band"... MILLIONS of 4 watt transmitters in 450kHz, and the majority of those chewing up 6kHz instead of 2.1kHz under the best conditions... RIGHT!
So for now, let us just placate those that think they are doing the world a favor by civilizing the citizens band.
Beside, if we found ourselves in a real world of hurt, the FCC can declare the ham bands as CLOSED for business and allow only RACES authorized stations.
So go signup with your county EMA, become known to the RACES director before it is too late.

[KC0NBW]

I DON'T HAVE A C.B. IN MY COLLECTION, BUT I DO HAVE A DX 160 GENERAL COVERAGE RECEIVER.

I JUST USED IT TO TUNE IN ON CORNBAND CHANNEL WHATEVER, AND HEARD SOMEONE ANNOUNCE THAT "HE WAS THE F******CHANNEL MASTER OF THIS F******CHANNEL,
AND ANYONE THAT DIDN'T LIKE IT COULD GO DO SOMETHING THAT IS ENTIRELY TOO DISGUSTING TO POST HERE!

SO MUCH FOR THE POSSIBLE USE OF CB IN A REAL EMERGENCY.

FACE IT PEOPLE, AS I SAID IN MY PREVIOUS POST, CB HAS BEEN OUT OF CONTROL FOR WAY TOO LONG TO TRY TO MAKE IT INTO A VIABLE SERVICE .

LET'S USE CB AS A WORST CASE SCENARIO, AND TRY TO PREVENT THE AMATEUR SERVICE FROM GOING THE SAME WAY.

YES, WE HAVE OUR SHARE OF BAD OPERATORS, AND HOW MANY OF THEM BROUGHT THEIR HABITS OVER FROM CB ?

AS FAR AS THE "DUMBING DOWN" OF THE HAM TESTS, I REMEMBER WHEN INCENTIVE LICENCING FIRST TOOK EFFECT AND HEARING OLD TIME GENERAL SAYING "THESE NEW EXTRAS THINK THEY KNOW EVERTHING, THE TEST THEY TOOK WAS A JOKE COMPARED TO THE TEST I TOOK BACK IN '47 "

I WAS FIRST LICENCED IN 1975 , I WAS ACTIVE FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS AND THEN DROPPED OUT DUE TO A LACK OF INTEREST AND MONEY AMONGST OTHER CONSIDERATIONS.

I JUST GOT BACK INTO HAM RADIO LAST APRIL BY GETTING MY GENERAL, AND I PASSED THE EXTRA IN EARLY JUNE.
AM I LESS OF A AMATEUR NOW THAN I WAS BEFORE BECAUSE
I DID NOT TAKE EXACTLY THE SAME TEST AS I TOOK LAST TIME ?
LET'S FACE IT, IT IS JUST HUMAN NATURE TO COMPLAIN THAT SOMEONE ELSE HAD IT EASIER THAN YOU DID BECAUSE
THEY DID NOT PASS THE EXACT SAME TEST THAT YOU DID.

HOW MANY OF THESE "OLD TIMERS" COULD PASS THE SAME TEST THEY TOOK IN "47"?

HOW MANY COULD PASS THE EXTRA TEST OF TODAY WITHOUT STUDYING ?

WHETHER I TOOK THE OLD TEST OR THE NEW ONE, I AM STILL AN EXTRA , AND I HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO UPHOLD THE STANDARDS OF HAM RADIO, AND TO TRY NTO PASS THOSE STANDARDS ON TO THE NEWCOMERS TO THE HOBBY.

LET'S STOP BICKERING AMONGST OURSELVES AND TRY TO KEEP AMATEUR RADIO FROM BECCOMING LIKE CB.

[KA0TP]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N0LAY @ Feb. 03 2003,11:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Michiana Emergency monitoring group, who meet at: cbgroup@yahoogroups.com <snip> The spokesperson for the group states in an article in Popular Communications, is to restore and legitimize the Citizen Band Service. My hat is off to them.
Doug Schwinn n0lay/KDZ0430[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Nice sentiment if miss posted.... but....
Legitimize CB? Really? As long as the Skip comes in and makes for an unruly mess, you can't... People hundreds of miles away create problems and can't be traced.

The way to legitimize CB is to move it to UHF.. Share some of the GMRS/FRS freqs. Extend the GMRS freqs and allow decent mobiles and you accomplish everything CB was supposed to do and keep it local so the locals can manage it.
(A lot easier to deal with a Jammer 20 miles away than 2000)

Give 11 meters back to the Hams....
Will take years to phase it back in, but HEY! the equipment companies will love a chance to sell new radios....

[kb9rqh]

People,
First, I am a truckdriver who is a recent addition to the ranks of amatuer radio.

I would like to say that as much as I enjoy ham radio when the chips are down in a local emergency, ie traffic accident, spotting a house on fire from the mobile or something of the like I am almost always able to contact by CB someone with a phone to contact an appropiate response person or team. I wish I could say the same for amatuer radio. In only 1 instance during over 5 years as a ham have I been able to find help from a 2 meter repeater and then only because it happened within 8 miles of my home and I contacted a ham I know and she contacted the local police. Don't even try it on hf because as you know you are not likely to contact someone local and anyone else is long distance and many people refuse to spend that dime for something as trivial as a traffic accident for someone not in their area. I have actually had hams refuse to make calls because of the cost.

On a large scale emergency of course ham is the best for the reasons many of you have stated. What I am trying to say is that while CB frequency's are certainly in bad shape because of poor, inconsiderate operators and not those of first choice for most of us ham's it still has many uses which can be beneficial to the public.

I do have to add that while I admire the attempt by the Michianna group to do something good on CB and I will at least when in their area attempt to monitor that channel, I do not see it being accepted as a national standard.

I might add that while there is a lot of terrible operating habits and even worse sounding rigs on CB this in large part due to a non technical operator who depends on someone else to tune and maintain his radio.

Unfortunately, many of the "technicians" they rely on #either have little more training than the operators or are hams who don't worry about the rules as long as they can make a buck. Of the CB shop owners and technicians I know over half are hams who do this because they want to work on radios but cannot find enough business in their area to support them any other way. If you want to help clear up many of the technical problems work toward a real enforcement agency who will do something about putting unscrupulous and untrained people out of the radio repair and sales business. I have spoken to Riley Hollingsworth about this and was told that while it is of concern to FCC it is a minor problem which they are not likely to do anything about any time soon.

I do understand that technicians cannot cure the problem of bad operators but by refusing to sell the illegal equipment or make illegal mods as equipment fails it will cut down on some of the problems.

I guess I am idealistic but I firmly believe that if I want something changed I #must do more than whine, I must find a way to make it happen. Our Michinana friend who started this thread is doing that, are you?

[KB9YKY]

How wierd...KC8FKS posted that he has never "broken any cb rules since I started in 1980"...but in his post just above it he says he illegally uses his "cb" for hobby use, "nets just like amateur radio", and "good dx".

[n0ov]

Not a bad idea. #You may want to see if you can get some of your CB folks out to Field Day also to see if they can learn a few new tricks -- and perhaps encourage a few new converts.

As a minimum, checkout our Field Day planning site -- has some links and some information they may find helpful.

Our Field Day Planning Site (http://webpages.charter.net/fieldday)

73

[KB9YKY]

CBers at Field Day? Not a good idea. Some of them might pick-up on how to make a better antenna for their illegal "cb" stations. Having them there would also greatly increase the odds of some amateur gear to turn up "missing".

[Phineas]

CB Biggots!!!!!

Some one starts a thread about doing something legitimate on CB, and it turns into a bash war.

THIS IS A HOBBY!!!!!!!

There are some winey extremist OFs in every crowd.

Points

1. Based on what the subject of this thread, who asked for some old winey fart's opinion about how bad CB is?

2. Been on 80 meters lately?

3. What does cussing have to do with the subject of this thread.

4. Have you listened to 80 meters lately?

5. What are we talking about Illegal amps on this thread?

6. Have you listened to 80 meters lately.

7. What does the thread have to do with getting cursed out?

8. Read number 6

9. What does this thread have to do with offensive language?

10. Try being a minority or a welfare mother listening to 80 meters. Talk about offensive language.

Most people on CB are not bad people. We have to consider with the number of CBers out there, that there are only a few by percentage that cause problems. Problem is the number of CBers is quite a bit larger than hams. Just like most OM are not on 75/80 meters acting crazy. Nor are most hams writing messages on QRZ.

There are nuts in every hobby. There are always people in every crowd that ruin everyone's CLEAN fun. That said, let's stick to the subject, and keep all of these dead and dried up bashes to yourselves. This just was not the thread for this in my opinion.

As far as this myth that all bad operators came from bad CB habits, please spare me. There are knuckleheads in every hobby. Pointing a finger just because a person talks on a different band is just rediculous. People use bad language everywhere, where does bad language come from? Have the frequency police turned into english teachers? Gee, I hope not.

KB9YKY
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">
CBers at Field Day? #Not a good idea. Some of them might pick-up on how to make a better antenna for their illegal "cb" stations. Having them there would also greatly increase the odds of some amateur gear to turn up "missing".
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

You can lead a horse to water, but you cant make them drink. Not all CBers would want to be a ham even if they had fun at field day. WHY, cause of snobby hams who think every CBer is a threat to humanity. Why would some down to earth person want #to be bothered with a crowd like that. I wouldn't. Still don't.

Thats a big 10-4...and I am 10-7...and Back out #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Phineas
K0KMA

[KB9YKY]

10-4, 10-7, 10-10, 10-90, 10-100, break-go-break, etc. Allowing such silliness also contributed to "cb" radio being the total failure that it is...and almost was from the beginning.

[KC8FKS]

Yep I operate dx on 11 meters and there isn't anything wrong with that.

Radioman, do you feel big making fun of me for a typo??
You must.

That should have been an 8.
80 meters.

So sorry you frown on the citizens band so bad but you don't have to trash it just because "YOU" don't like it.


http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KC8FKS]

This is all on the subject for me.
I made my comments and Im not worried about who likes it or not.

Seem to me that Radioman is JUST like the cbers he frowns on.
Always willing to fight about something.

Makes ya think doesn't it??
LOL

[radio123us]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yep I operate dx on 11 meters and there isn't anything wrong with that.
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The FCC might disagree with you on that statement.
Why did you bother getting a ham license if you
believe there in nothing wrong with breaking FCC rules ?

[KC8FKS]

when was the last time you saw the fcc give a darn about the chicken band?? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Why do others bother worrying about how someone else operats thier radio??
Worry about how you the PERFECT ham operate your OWN

[radio123us]

Rule 13 - Illegal Communications
A. You must NOT use a CB station-
9. to communicate with, or ATTEMPT to communicate with, any CB station more than 155.3 miles (250 kilometers) away.

(Just in case you don't remember this FCC rule.) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[KC8FKS]

And 155 miles is dx in my book it sure isn't your neighbor.

I never said I was talking to Egypt.

[radio123us]

What I am trying to point out is you can't just
follow the FCC rules that you happen to like,
and forget all the others that you don't like.
That attitude is why most ham operators dislike
the CBers. (Criminal Banders)

[KC8FKS]

What I am trying to point out is NOT ALL cbers break the fcc rules.
I really enjoy both hobbys and personaly think SOME hams should come down off thier high horses and stop thinking they are above others be it other hams or cbers.

[W1CAR]

I wonder where they came up with the "155.3 miles" number.

heh...might as well be "thou shalt not attempt to contact another CB station over 155.333452233425522353 miles, 60 yards, 2 feet, 4.5343255342 inches away."

By the way, the bickering in here is getting ridiculous.

Also, I find it hard to believe that anyone anywhere could possibly contact a CB station that many miles away without some sort of power amplification...which is by the way, illegal...in case you didn't get the picture. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[KK7AC]

Hey Radio123us dont over estimate this guy... KC8FKS does not have a ham license, he simply studied for a callsign and limited to technician class....... Maybe someday he will get a license. Till then, just remain content with NASCAR and changing the tires on your trailer.

[K8YS]

FKS;

You say that no all cb'rs break the rules, but you do...

Since you do not seem to have a problem breaking certain rules, what about Amateur rules? Do you break or just bend as needed?

I do feel sorry for you, perhaps if you upgrade and experiance real DX on 20 or 17 meters, you may never go back again.

[radio123us]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">By the way, the bickering in here is getting ridiculous. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I agree with you. My question is...how did a post about
CB radio end up on a ham radio web site ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[KC8FKS]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
If or when I decide to break an fcc rule when does it become a concern of anyone on here?

let the fcc worry about it IF the time comes and you big headed hams worry about yourselves.
so now you high horse riders are saying someone is not a real ham if they have a tech. class ticket...LOL

you people are so pathectic.

I did notice that SOME of you are even scared to post your calls...LOL

[radio123us]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If or when I decide to break an fcc rule when does it become a concern of anyone on here?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
That attitude is why most hams dislike CBers.

[KC8FKS]

not an attitude just a simple question

[KC8FKS]

you people act like you ARE the fcc

[radio123us]

No, we are not the FCC. We just care about following ALL
of the rules...

[n0ov]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9YKY @ Feb. 11 2003,11:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">CBers at Field Day? #Not a good idea. Some of them might pick-up on how to make a better antenna for their illegal "cb" stations. Having them there would also greatly increase the odds of some amateur gear to turn up "missing".[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
It's possible that some of those folks may be looking for something a little more fun and challenging.

Besides, there's enough stuff on the web that if they want to do something illegal, they'll figure it out.

FYI. Have participated in a few Red Cross exercises where amateur radio operators were providing communications support. Few lessons I learned is there may be an appropriate time to have access to a CB, FRS, GMRS or a MURS radio (along with my trusty 2m and HF)

If someone comes by and want's to learn or help -- I'll give him/her a hand up.

73

[KC8FKS]

ok, maybe I need to type a little slower for you people.

I AM *"NOT"* breacking any rules end of story.
NONE of you know if I am or not.
You are not, and will not be by my side when I operate.
If I was breaking any of the fcc rules they would have come down on me already since I have been operating regularly since 1996.
The fcc is not slack with amateur radio I would have been in trouble alogn time ago if I were doing ANYTHING wrong.

so let God judge people not you.

[radio123us]

FKS, I am wondering why are you trying so hard to defend CB radio on a ham radio web site http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif I don't think you are going to get much sympathy here.
...and why is this post about CB radio on a ham radio
web site anyway ?

[n0ov]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC8FKS @ Feb. 11 2003,18:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ok, maybe I need to type a little slower for you people.

I AM *"NOT"* breacking any rules end of story.
NONE of you know if I am or not.
You are not, and will not be by my side when I operate.
If I was breaking any of the fcc rules they would have come down on me already since I have been operating regularly since 1996.
The fcc is not slack with amateur radio I would have been in trouble alogn time ago if I were doing ANYTHING wrong.

so let God judge people not you.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Just finished reading this mess.

Wow...............

Someone was trying to do something positive and got trashed for it.

May want to cut your losses and run................

73.

[K8YS]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC8FKS @ Feb. 11 2003,18:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ok, maybe I need to type a little slower for you people.

I AM *"NOT"* breacking any rules end of story.
NONE of you know if I am or not.
You are not, and will not be by my side when I operate.
If I was breaking any of the fcc rules they would have come down on me already since I have been operating regularly since 1996.
The fcc is not slack with amateur radio I would have been in trouble alogn time ago if I were doing ANYTHING wrong.

so let God judge people not you.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
no, not type slower, but read what you are sending.

MOST Amateurs "look down on CB" just because of your reasons for supporting cb. If everyone played by the rules, there would be fewer problems and would be a more respectable service.

Amateur radio, by tradition, has been "self policeing" (humm, perhaps you may have read that in the study guide to get your tech license - you did read it?). As a result fellow Amateurs are obligated to put peer pressure on the strayed.

You are the person that posted that you operate DX on cb, no one has made this up. I guess that you have just now decided that you do not dust off the Cobra and operate DX after all.

And I am not just pointing at you, but I include the New York hams that were caught freebanding... what MORONS would freeband when there are legal bands at 24 and 28 MHz - that is 12 and 10 meter for FKS.

[KC8FKS]

I don't know I didn't post the original post.
I just don't see ANYTHING wrong with wanting to own and operate a C.B. radio.
I agree that it has gone WAY down hill since the old days and Some people on there are rude and foul mouthed but not ALL C.B.ers are that way.
I am not looking for any hams sympothy.

Someone mentions the letters c.b. and hams go over board.
ham and c.b. are both 2-way communications and one isn't any better then the other.

All I did way put in my two cents and get jumped for it.
Is bashing someone and thier beliefs good operating procedure on the air?
Then why do it here.
sorry If I offended ANYONE but you have your beliefs and I have mine.

[radio123us]

RAD1OMAN...I couldn't have said it any better....

[KC8FKS]

Radioman(or should I say radiogod),

I really don't appreciate your crap.
I studied just as hard as you or anyone else to pass the test.
see you are acting like the cbers you hate.
PLAIN RUDE!!!!

[K4ZAU]

Har har... As I was reading this thread, an ad popped up in the slot at the top of the QRZ page... for the 'Radio Hacker's Handbook.' With all this talk of freebanding and splatter, it's kind of a funny coincidence, huh?

For a couple of years before receiving my Tech license, I was a CBer--I was finally driven off after I got fed up with the amount of illegal activity in my town. I think the Ch. 39 idea is great. If it materializes, I can only hope that it won't be purposely interfered with, like every other channel is (at least in my town).

If it wasn't for the Citizens' Band I probably wouldn't be a ham... and surely there are lots of others who were introduced to this great hobby through CB.

VY 73
Jake K4ZAU
My Webpage (http://www.ece.msstate.edu/~jcw141/ham.html)

[radio123us]

FKS, if you try to defend CB radio on a ham radio
web site, you have to expect to get flamed.

[KC8FKS]

That is about the same thing I said and have been getting trashed for it for 2 days http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[KC8FKS]

Radio123us,

It looks that way but it shouldn't be that way.

[KK7AC]

I find it funny FSK referers to "us".. I thought he was a "ham" too?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif He makes his own point; he's not a real ham and he knows it. He states " CB is also 2-way, and one is not better than the other (refering to Ham). Yes, partly true. It is indeed a form of 2-way. But thats really about the only simularity. Well lets compare and see if one is "better" than the other shall we:

CB:

40 channels, AM, SSB, limited power, limited distance, limited range/high noise---no room for movement if conditions change; your stuck. Take what you get.

Ham:

Several million "channels", AM, FM, SSB, RTTY, CW, PSK, Packet, SSTV, 1 band LF, 8 bands in HF, 3 bands in VHF, 4 bands in UHF, 3 bands in SHF, #1500 watt power limit, no distance restrictions, high power, QRP, analog repeaters, digital repeaters, FSTV repeaters, linked repeaters, autopatch repeaters, Digipeaters, phone patch, APRS, DX clusters, Echolink, IRLP, high orbiting analog satellites, low orbiting analog satellites, low orbiting digital satellites, simplex, half duplex, full duplex, cross banding, DTFM control, CTCSS tones, remote control, contests, countless awards, endless experinmentaion, recognized by the FCC, represented by a national group that in involved in DC. pew, that was alot of typing.

So, I think being a ham gives one a little more capability. We have a CB band already; 10 meters.

He also insults radioman by stating that " He studied just as hard for his license"... Well yes this would be true if FSK actually took more than one written test!!

[KK7AC]

I find it funny FSK referers to "us".. I thought he was a "ham" too???? He makes his own point; he's not a real ham and he knows it. He states " CB is also 2-way, and one is not better than the other (refering to Ham). Yes, partly true. It is indeed a form of 2-way. But thats really about the only simularity. Well lets compare and see if one is "better" than the other shall we:

CB:

40 channels, AM, SSB, limited power, limited distance, limited range/high noise---no room for movement if conditions change; your stuck. Take what you get.

Ham:

Several million "channels", AM, FM, SSB, RTTY, CW, PSK, Packet, SSTV, 1 band LF, 8 bands in HF, 3 bands in VHF, 4 bands in UHF, 3 bands in SHF, 1500 watt power limit, no distance restrictions, high power, QRP, analog repeaters, digital repeaters, FSTV repeaters, linked repeaters, autopatch repeaters, Digipeaters, phone patch, APRS, DX clusters, Echolink, IRLP, high orbiting analog satellites, low orbiting analog satellites, low orbiting digital satellites, simplex, half duplex, full duplex, cross banding, DTFM control, CTCSS tones, remote control, contests, countless awards, endless experinmentaion, recognized by the FCC, represented by a national group that in involved in DC. pew, that was alot of typing.

So, I think being a ham gives one a little more capability. We have a CB band already; 10 meters.

He also insults radioman by stating that " He studied just as hard for his license"... Well yes this would be true if FSK actually took more than one written test!!

[K8YS]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
FKS, you remind me of a person that gets zapped every time he sticks his finder in the light socket, but keeps putting it there.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[k3ogl]

Sometimes I find the childish bickering on these topics more interesting than the topic itself.

[NO7S]

I'll tell you what's pathetic: That this thread contains 102 (uh,...I mean...103) postings. And the poor kid trying to start an AR club in some third world country asking for humble support and suggestions couldn't even get a hit. In fact, I think that thread was pulled within a week for the lack of interest.
It's just typical of our value system; like what we used to say in the (commercial) radio biz..."bad publicity is still-PUBLICITY!"

Go back and read KA0TP's posting. It's the only one on here worth reading... because he's right.

So let's just shut-up and go to bed. Wah!

Hey! Editor: QRZ... pull this entire piece of crap and stop letting us pollute your usually wonderful site.

Closure,
Bob

[KB9YKY]

Young FKS said, "I am NOT breaking any rules end of story. NONE of you know if I am or not". WRONG...We do know that he is breaking the rules. He said himself that he uses "cb" as a hobby, which is illegal. The only radio service, in the USA, that may be used legally as a hobby, a divulsion, or an acticity in itself is the Amateur Radio Service. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Young FKS went on to say, "If I was breaking any of the fcc rules they would come down on me already since I have been operating regularly since 1996". AGAIN UNTRUE...The fcc gave up on the "cb" band years ago when they realized that the service had proven itself to be a total failure. This is why no more channels were ever added on that band and why they dropped the licensing requirement. For the most part, the FCC is just waiting for the failed experiment to fizzle out on it's own. No use wasting the taxpayer's money on a proven, useless wasteland. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KG4RYT]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
A WHOLE LOT OF ATTITUDE ABOUT NOTHING http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
WHO CARES ABOUT HIS HOBBIES http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
ALL I CAN SAY IS THIS, IF YOU CAN HELP SOME ONE BY USING A CB OR HAM RIG....... GREAT!!!!!!
WHY NOT ENCOURAGE THOSE CB OPERATORS INTO HAM RADIO http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif (WHERE ARE THE ELMERS)


CQ CQ CQ WHERE ARE THE ELMERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[k3ogl]

so what if FKS uses cb as a hobby. talking to someone far away doesn't hurt anything. The guys who run the KW amplifiers and talk and swear every four letter word on frequencies a whole Megacycle below the band(yeas i've heard cb activity on 25.9 MHz) are the guys who are ruining it. Bust on the m instead of someone trying to have a little fun.

just my two cents worth

[KB9YKY]

"What does using "cb" for a hobby hurt? " That's easy to answer. Such illegal hobby use is what made "cb" the total failure that it is. The illegal hobbiests are the ones that ruined what could have been a very useful service. Without the illegal hobbiests that band, and service, could have been used for it's intended purpose. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[WB2GOF]

Let's get serious here: #The rule about not operating CB as a hobby is just plain unenforceable. #What separates hobby communications from business or personal communications anyway? #It is a very fine line.... And for that matter, most rules on CB are also unenforceable. #Like skip communication over 155 miles. #How are they going to prevent that when the conditions in this band are ripe for skip? #Pretty dumb to use this band for local communications in the first place. #So the FCC gave up trying to enforce the laws they made. #That is like throwing in the towel; it makes any kind of operating there virtually legal, whether there are laws or not. #So what is the point of having laws if you are not going to enforce them? #The disintegration of CB is the FCC's fault, not so much the operators fault, IMHO. #They turned over enforcement to the local authorities. #What a joke! #It is sort of a budgetary thing that they don't want to spend for manpower to enforce them. #I long ago stopped totally blaming the users, some of which don't know any better, or don't care, or know they will not be caught, and I blame the FCC more for what they let it disintegrate into. #If they deemed it such a failure, why didn't they just pull the plug on the whole darn thing? #Money!!! #It's all about the almighty $$$!!! #
Anyway, the original poster was trying to set up the lowest common denominator for emergency communications, even if it has to involve the dreaded CB. #And what does he get for this effort? #Eleven pages of trash talk and flames. #Shame shame!!!

[KB9WSL]

I support the idea of a second emergency channel. With all of the skip on the CB channels, SSB may be the way to go to get a message through. I think the more Public Service work done by ANY radio Service, so much the better! The hard part is to get organized, keep radio operators interested, and to ignore the "trouble-makers" who try their best to create chaos. After reading a recent
"Homeland Security" article in Popular Communications Magazine, I myself have begun to monitor CB channel 9 as well as 146.520 simplex on 2-meters. I also spend more time monitoring 121.500 Mhz the Aircraft Emergency channel on my scanner. I am a CBer, a Ham, and I am a 911 dispatcher in my hometown.

Tom Murray #KB9WSL

[KC8FKS]

So hams have more bands and more toys so that makes it better...LOL!!

BIG DEAL!!

Unless you hold the HIGHEST class ticket you are a nobody huh? #LOL!!!

I would rather talk to the NICE people on 27.395 then a bunch of big headed know it alls ANYDAY!

It is the oldtimer know it alls that have only one opinion(thier own) that will eventuallybe the END of ham radio.

Just remember opinions are like your back side everyone has one.
I posted mine and got bashed for it how pathetic.
C.B.as a hobby illegal give me a break.
What you have to use it every third day or something..LOL
Don't use it every day it my become an illegal hobby..LOL!

This will be my last post on the matter!!
And YOUNG fks, that kills me since I am 35. Thanks for the complement.

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[KB9YKY]

For the indeed young FKS, who has listed his birthdate here on QRZ's database as 00 Dec 0000, the way NOT to be a hobbiest on "cb" is to make the call, exchange the short message to the party called, and then get off of it. Use it for it's intended purpose...to send messages for short-range personal and business communications. Before the FCC dumbed down the rules for today's America...the Part 95 rules gave some examples of the proper way to use the "cb" service. They shortened the rules (condensed them) because it seemed that the rules were just too much for dumbed down America to read and comprehend. The new condensed rules still don't work because the types that "cb" today will not read the law...or if they do are incapable of comprehending simple language. The FCC knows full well that the "cb" experiment is a total failure, thus no need to waste valuble resources on the lost cause.

[WB2GOF]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9YKY @ Feb. 13 2003,18:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The FCC knows full well that the "cb" experiment is a total failure, thus no need to waste valuble resources on the lost cause.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Then by your own logic, we cannot call their users lawbreakers, since the laws are either unenforceable, or the system is a total failure. If we give up on the system, we give in!

[k1dea]

11 Meter band;

I would say that Colorado is a mountainous mountain if you would use CB as your emergency monitoring for communication,it will not work because the mountains are reflecting your RF signal.There is no way that some person on the other side of the mountain could hear a signal from another side of the mountain.If Colorado is open I would recommend also the CB to use for back up communication,and I recommend also the VHF OR UHF are the best way to communicate.

73's

[n3wkm]

To KB9YKY: I just want to clear up an issue with the "illegal amplifiers" purchased by my fellow police officers. The amplifiers were never installed or used, just purchased for use in an emergency, i.e. the possible failure of a public safety radio system. You want to jail them as felons? Puuuuhhlleeeeease!

What if the Y2K issue did evolve into the horrible monster that it was expected to be? If a police officer used a C.B. radio and amplifier to summon another officer to his/her aid would you still feel compelled to jail them like a criminal? We, amateur radio operators, are allowed to use any frequency and any power level in a life or death emergency to summon help. Would you not want to extend that courtesy to a police officer if it would save his/her/ or your life? What would you have recommended to them for use if their radio euipment failed on January 1, 2000? I recommended the C.B. equipment to them because they were cost effective, easy to install, and could be used in the future without the need for a license.

I believe in being self sufficient if, and when, I'm cut off from modern convenience's, etc. Survival skill's are something I learned in the military. If no one else can, or will, take care of you you must do it on your own.

I resigned from the department I worked for in January 2002. I gave up my career in law enforcement because there were so many citizens, like you, that wanted to see a police officer "go down" for anything. They were alway's the first to complain about a police officer and the first to call when their thirteen year old daughter was "missing". By "missing" I mean little Sally had her legs in the air with her boyfriend in a car somewhere. And they always wanted you to find her and have her returned yesterday or they would have your job.

Police officers do the job that regular people won't, or can't, do for themselves. But yet you want to throw them in jail because they took it upon themselves to think ahead and possibly save your gluteus maximus with an illegal amplifier. An amplifier that was never installed but only purchased for an emergency. Pathetic.

[KC0NBW]

CHECK THE FCC RULES REGARDING POWER AMPLIFIERS FOR C.B.

THEY REGARD POSSESSION OF A ILLEGAL AMP AS USE OF SAME.

THEY DO NOT CARE IF IT IS INLINE OR NOT, THEY FIGURE "IF YOU HAVE IT, YOU PLAN ON USING IT ".

I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY PROVISIONS ALLOWING FOR PEACE OFFICERS TO POSSESS SOMETHING THAT IS PROHIBITED FOR THE BAND IN QUESTION, JUST AS THERE ARE NO PROVISIONS IN FEDERAL LAW FOR A PEACE OFFICER TO CARRY PRIVATELY OWNED HAND GRENADES, "JUST IN CASE".

THE DEPT. CAN ISSUE SPECIAL WEAPONS AS NEEDED, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE PROPERTY OF THE DEPT., NOT THE INDIVIDUAL OFFICER

[KB9YKY]

Must really be some police department that young N3WKM was on with squad cars equipped with only one radio. Most departments have 2 or 3 separate radios in their cars. The cars in my hometown (very small department) had a Genaral Electric radio for 42.5mhz (state car-to-car), a Motorola for 462.xxxmhz (primary dispatch), and another Motorola for VHF (ISPERN and a neighboring county). Local department had "cb"s at one time, but wished up and threw them in the garbage where they belong. For WKM's doomsday scenario, his department, rather than supporting organized crime by buying illegal "cb"s and amplifiers, should have called in the state police or notified the Governor to send in the National Guard.
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[KB9YKY]

For wb2gof: No, using "my logic" the illegal "cb"ers are indeed lawbreakers...whether those laws are enforceable or not. Many laws are not well enforced or unenforcable...those that break the law are "lawbreakers" whether they are arrested, prosecuted, or convicted. If they break the law, they are lawbreakers. Most speeders, reckless drivers, shoplifters, child molesters, sneak thieves, rapists, illegal gamblers, dopers, wife beaters, poachers, trespassers, and what have you...are never caught and convicted. But they are still "lawbreakers" whether the laws they break are enforced or not!

[NO7S]

Anybody who has 380 (+, when he responds to this) posts on QRZ has waaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy too much time on his hands. Get a job.

bob

[KB9YKY]

Young Mr Bob, what are you babbling about ?

[W1CAR]

i can't believe this thread is still going.. lol

BTW, ... young FKS? you might want to wise up a little.. a little birdy told me that a certain member of the foxtrot charlie charlie enforcement party might be doing a little investigating on your cb DX adventures..

...or maybe you should come clean and accept the fact that you are just boasting for the sake of trying to be cool; and anything you've said to this point has been false...

or just pop some Xanax and go take a nap.

But, you have a nice day!

[N1XHF]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9YKY @ Feb. 07 2003,15:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Doug, all that is sweet and fine-and-dandy. #But why are you posting it on an amateur radio website?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif Remeber everyone that the 11 meter band continues to be a thorn in the side of every one on the 10 meter band so it does have some implications on what happens in the amateur radio community. Also remember that 11 meters used to be an amateur radio band.....hhm......maybe you should do your research and think about what you say before you say it. Remember anything that deals with radio affects us 2.

73's

Justin N1XHF

[KC0NBW]

VERY INTERESTING!

THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIST THEIR HAM CALLS
IN THEIR RESPONSE TO THE ORIGINAL POST (BOTH PRO AND CON) SEEM TO BE TECHNICIANS !

THERE ALSO SEEMS TO BE A FEW THAT DO NOT REVEAL THEIR HAM CALL, IF THEY HAVE ONE.

IT WOULD SEEM THAT THE TECHS ARE THE ONES WITH THE STRONGEST FEELINGS ON THIS SUBJECT !

SO MUCH FOR THE SNOBBY HIGHER CLASS LICENCEES LOOKING DOWN ON CB !

I THINK CB COULD HAVE BEEN A VERY USEFUL SERVICE IF IT HAD BEEN KEPT UNDER CONTROL FROM THE BEGINNING.

THE BIGGEST MISTAKE WAS FOR THE FCC TO CREATE A NEW "SHORT RANGE" SERVICE ON A BAND WHERE DX WAS POSSIBLE, ONCE THE CB CROWD EXPERIENCED DXING, THE BAND WAS LOST FOR THE PURPOSE IT WAS INTENDED FOR.

AND THE REST IS HISTORY----------------

[KC8FKS]

young w1car,