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02-03-2003, 08:39 AM
Bob, WD4AWO in the USA asks Sam, VK2BVS in Sydney, Australia about the Ham Radio peace Corp. activities in Iraq, Somalia, Solomon Islands and more.
It’s the 3rd Feb. 2003 the day of the reopening of the Ham training school in the Solomon Islands. A few days ago I completed documenting last years 6 month training course which students will use to continue training some 170 students from last years first intake. You can see it on http://www.H44A.com
There are no experienced hams available to attend the Solomon Islands ham training classes so anyone looking for a great time I can tell you I enjoyed my 6 months with them last year and you will be made very welcome.

Attention now is helping avoid war in Iraq and following Bobs questions I will try to use the experience gained through the years of the Ham Radio peace Corp. to find ideas some one may be able to use. Its not every day we have a chance to look at a disaster approaching that is preventable. Lets go to Bob WD4AWO. His questions and comments will be followed with my answers………..Sam VK2BVS, H44A

Hi Sam,

Since you have decided to post your activities regarding the Solomon Islands in this forum, I hope you will reply to the following questions via the same.

While your activities do appear admirable, there are a few disturbing questions many have expressed about your activities, not necessarily confined to the Solomon Islands.

Given your past history of allegedly nearly being charged under the Foreign Incursions Act by the government of Australia by Foreign Minister Gareth Evans it is imperative that you respond to these questions in order to support your claims of providing assistance to diverse areas of the world.

------------Bob,



ANSWER 1A FROM Sam-

Hello Bob what an excellent set of questions,
Let me start with a comment on your introduction and then I shall go through your questions.

Someone is charged or not charged.
Pregnant or nearly pregnant.
You can’t be nearly.
I have not had any request on my return from any authority in 1991 or since to please explain and no visit by the Police or other officials.

In 1991 the native people on Bougainville Island were cut off from the whole world with no medicine and no communications that went on for 10 years. My reported visit to see what no one was suppose to see is what gave the speculation. I told everything to TV and newspapers of what I saw and did. That speculation instead of scaring off others had media going in and out through that same blockade reporting about one of the least heard of conflicts at that time

That 1991 experience continued a spirit that has taken me face to face over the last 12 years meeting with people in distress around the world.

Ham radio helps people no one else can.
Ham Radio is one of the few effective means we have for reaching out to peoples in distress worldwide in making a difference in opening unique communications with leaders and the ordinary people in distress.

What would a ham say to leaders who Ok’ed the fire bombing of German civilian cities or who OK’ed dropping atomic bombs on 2 civilian Japanese cities or who fought the American Indians or Australian Aborigines? I don’t know I was not there but I would hope that as we have done in all our projects today we would have then also helped all sides in whatever humanitarian way possible. Thinking of those situations it would have been difficult to travel to Germany and Japan and since they attacked first we could well stay home and celebrate the war ended. We probably would not have known the situation at ground zero for those civilians in Germany or Japan to even think about it. Maybe there are many times we can’t do anything. We don’t know about things. #We don’t have the finance to travel. #Other commitment etc All ham radios were taken by authorities during the World Wars and the thinking in one-time changes with the years. Also many of ones own countrymen and women and children affected can keep one very busy without much time to think of those in other far away places. So we can only apply some of this thinking to the times we are in today when we guess what if anything we could have done in those past era. They do make it a powerful insight to realise that the individual can do today more than yesterday.

During the Gulf War we were allowed to keep our ham transceivers and there was no prohibition in talking to or travelling to Iraq even during the fighting. This is going to be the case this time as well so again the Ham has a unique capability in exercising the mind on what if anything can Ham radio do. Weeks not months is the latest report for the beginning of conflict.


The civilian humanitarian people you find in places no tourist will travel include- Officials of organisations, Red Cross, Doctors With No Boarders, Journalists and Ham radio operators.
Of those people the ham radio operator is often the only person not being paid to be there.

In 1991 I found many humanitarian organisations could not get involved with Bougainville because it would have jeopardised their funding source. I talked to Australian aid organisations before departing and realised ham radio really was the only way to provide a humanitarian response because it was not dependant on anything but the Ham operators own income.
Ham radio operators are individuals who can make a difference no one else can. They can provide a response to help people because that decision is not based on money aid that has strings attached. That decision removes that political concern and gets straight to the humanitarian need. Even one box of medicines and a radio, less than a drop of what is needed makes a tremendous connection of friendship and aid to people who have nothing and need so much more help.
A Ham is a volunteer who often lives outside the security compounds other foreigners usually live in.
I remember in Somalia whenever foreign visitors would come to town I would be described to show how safe it was- Look at Sam he walks the streets everywhere, he has no weapon and he has no bodyguard.
The Ham lives with the local people and becomes accepted as a special friend.

The ham helps promote medical aid by providing basic supplies, using all means and influence to save all life, helping get people to hospital and providing communications to people who have none in a true humanitarian way, no strings and very limited conditions. The limited condition is that assistance stops if aid is used to incite hatred of any organisation, person or nation.
Disagreement is fine but hatred is forbidden.
That’s what I have been enjoying doing over my spare time as a ham.
It’s a great way to enjoy the hobby and use it in a way that helps people.

A ham’s help is to anyone at anytime one is able.

My first help to Bougainville Island was in response to a news item on Radio Australia that communications was cut from that island as a result of civil unrest, the background to which I knew nothing.
I just wanted to help at a time I could.

I requested that the PNG Government allow third party traffic and this was passed through the Australian High Commission in Port Moresby.
To my second offer to send volunteers to open a health and welfare ham radio emergency communications service on Bougainville, the PNG Post and Telecommunications authorities told me to contact PNG immigration.

In a few days the third party message agreement was in place and Radio Australia broadcast the news over it’s short wave radio station that anyone on Bougainville able to locate an amateur radio operator could send their welfare messages through the relayed help of any Australian radio ham.
No messages were received so my interest to make an approach to PNG immigration faded. That was 1989.

In 1991, a Journalist told me that Bougainville Island was a place that had no communications because the entire Island was blockaded and that he would introduce me to Bougainville representatives if I were interested.
If I said that I am not interested I can’t claim to be a person who helps all peoples in diverse parts of the world. I would be someone other than a HAM- Helping ALL Mankind person.

You can’t help your relatives and ignore mankind else where when you understand that we all come from the same ancestor, we are all relatives, at least that’s the theory of evolution. Jewish, Christian and Islam texts call our one common ancestor Adam and Eve. This belief says that we are all exactly the same human beings and all the earth and what happens on it is of every ones concern. Why? Because we all have the same mother and father- the common relative of us all.
True or not? it at least gives you an idea of my thinking and why I feel confident to meet peoples of all cultures worldwide. The entire world is your relative if you are a person who has the ham spirit. The spirit to Help ALL Mankind. At some point in our lives we all need help even if it’s finally to be buried after a healthy full life. With that in mind I say we should all help each other whenever we can.

HAM- Helping ALL Mankind is a spirit that is within one to help others.
I know some people are not interested to help others but for me it’s the ability to help everyone that makes ham radio unique.

I have been able to telephone a candidate who was running and became Prime Minister of PNG. His platform was on a genuine solution for Bougainville and I was pleased to be able to pass my line of ideas to help both parties of that conflict.
I was able to speak to captive PNG people in private and then get the Bougainvilleans to release them.
The Bougainvilleans said the media sneak in get a story and most are gone but the ham radio operators are genuine friends. Ham’s don’t come because they are going to make money by selling stories; they are one of few foreigners the people trust. They bring communications and medical supplies. While other visitors want this and that, the hams don’t ask for anything they just come to help the people.
The short wave radio station set up on Bougainville not only gave the first link to the outside world about what was happening to the people but also saved lives by giving information about PNG intercepted attack plans received on equipment owned by the Bougainville military arm. It almost seemed that PNG solders tired of getting killed were purposely sending their plans. They would then say the next day we will cancel that plan because the Bougainville radio knows our plan. Instead of ambushing the soldiers the Bougainville radio saved the life of everyone by avoiding military contact in this way.
A leader from the opposing side of the conflict gave thanks for the setting up of that radio station. He said we are all brothers and this is the first time in the conflict we could communicate. #The first dialogues then started with talkers over the Government’s radio station listening the next night to the Bougainville radios comments to what they said.


ANSWER 1B FROM Sam-

Just prior to the Gulf War the former King Hussein of Jordan accepted an initiative of the IARN ham peace Corp. The King was well known by his ham call sign JY1. This was an initiative to see what hams could do to avert a conflict.
Departing from Australia I arrived on a World Vision relief aircraft and was met at the tarmac in Amman by Palace representatives.
Later I was at the Royal Jordanian amateur radio club; Jordan hams were in contact with the Iraq amateur radio club on the 20 metre band. Hams in Europe where listening telling fellow Europeans to stop using unnecessary language that was being directed at the Baghdad hams.

At that time 1990 Jordan was technically at war with Israel.
The King’s communications officer also a ham talked about how the whole Middle East could have water through desalination to transform the desert and a rail system linking all North Africa, Middle East and Asia.
He welcomed my initiative to take his ideas to Israel and I was allowed to walk across the bridge separating the 2 countries. Israeli and Jordanian machine guns were at each end of the bridge pointing towards this Aussie ham walking across. On the bus at the Israel side a Palestinian invited me to his home, unfortunately my time was short otherwise I might have had another experience to tell you about.

I met the hams of the Israel amateur radio club and made phone calls to Israeli leaders to pass the ideas on how the region could come together. One Israeli leader said the ideas were acceptable and recommended I take the ideas to Syria. Unfortunately my funds could not go further.

Crossing back to Jordan I recalled the Jordanian hotel telling me previously, when I asked what the bill was so far, they said $12,000 and that the Royal Jordanian Palace was paying for it. I did not feel quite right about continuing with such kindness being spent on me so when I crossed from Israel back to Jordan I asked a taxi for the cheapest place in town. King Feisal hotel $1 per night with 12 people sleeping on one big bed which was full. I was lucky, one person volunteered to sleep on the floor! I can’t remember the price to sleep on the roof under the stars but it was cheaper, 25 cents? I was probably worried about the mosquitos hi hi. Not that I recall seeing any its just that I am always very careful to stay clear of those Malaria spreading creatures where ever I travel.
I departed on a United Nations International Organisation for Migration flight that was carrying refuges to Bangladesh. The IMO had been authorsed to provide free flights to IARN volunteers. #They had flights to other destinations but I chose the Bangladesh flight. On arrival in Dhaka I met a group at the Hunger Project who had been corresponding and asked I visit the country if ever possible, stayed a month and then returned to Sydney, Australia.

On returning to Sydney I found a visa to visit Baghdad but it came after all my funds were gone so I had the Iraq visa transferred to another Aussie ham Steve Blair- Hello Steve are you still on the planet? Steve ended up on the Iraq Saudi boarder and I ended up back in Sydney, Australia on a daily net beaming to the Middle East ready to help all sides in the aftermath of the 1991 Gulf War.

Bob asks:
What is your current involvement, if any, with the BRA (Bougainville Revolutionary Army) and/or the MEF (Malaita Eagle Force)?
----------Bob

ANSWER 2 FROM Sam-
Bougainville is under a UN peace process moving toward a Bougainville autonomous Government followed later by a Referendum on Independence. The PNG parliament has already committed itself to that process. I have offered to set up a free of charge full time Amateur Radio Training School on Bougainville Island modelled on the one I set up last year in the Solomon Islands. The idea I have is to bring all the former warring sides together as was done in Solomon Islands. Currently the opposing leaders on Bougainville don’t talk to each other.
One side wants an immediate referendum. The other side wants to set up an autonomous government first and hold the referendum on Independence later. I have said that if they both agree and PNG agrees then I am ready to start that ham radio training school immediately.

Solomon Islands

In 2000 I heard the announcement over the short wave radio station of the Solomon Islands Broadcasting Corporation that all Australian, New Zealand and Japanese should go to the wharf for evacuation by Australian warship out of the Capital Honiara,
I contacted the Solomon Islands National Disaster Management Organisation (NDMO) volunteering to help. They said Telkom may pull out and that my ham radio would be the only link for the country if that happened. The Director of the NDMO requested Australia fly my ham equipment and me. I received a telephone call from Australian Foreign Affairs saying I had been requested to help Solomon Islands and to be at the Royal Australian Airforce Base in Townsville with my ham station to catch a Hercules aircraft to Honiara, Capital of the Solomon Islands.

On arrival I visited the MEF front lines where an Israel flag was flying.
I was told I would learn more about that later.
No there were no Israeli’s there but some believe they are one of the lost tribes of Israel.
The front lines were around the Capital to stop in coming attacks. I asked MEF if I could go across the lines to talk to the other side. They said yes.
I contacted doctors without boarders in France about the medical emergency faced by the other side in that conflict. The other side to the conflict had no access to the Capital’s hospital and no doctor to attend their medical needs. Last time I had contacted those Doctors they responded by going to Bougainville. They had said it was my constant flow of reports that moved them into action.

When peace came from the signing of a Peace agreement in Townsville there were people being killed in the hospital. I met a commander who had a bullet in his leg. I told him you come with me to the hospital; they will have to shoot me first. He said many feared the MEF and had bullets in them but wont go to the hospital. I said MEF are my friends they won’t do anything to you and I will take you in and take you out of that hospital.

I also met MEF people who had problems with each other and with people not in the conflict. I was happy to be a person who could talk to all sides and help all sides. That’s what HAM is Helping All Mankind.

The ham station was set up at the National Disaster Management Organisation where with the removal of the bunkers around the Capital people were able to come in for the first time in 2 years. They all looking very ragged in grey looking warn out clothing.
I specially left the ham radio room door open and any man, woman or child who peered in I would said “ in come in! Come in!”
I soon had started a growing ham radio class. A Government minister said, “some of those in the class were shooting at each other last week. We need this ham spirit to bring the people together. There is nothing like this in the country”. OK I said I would go back to Australia and organise bringing Ham Radio to Solomon Islands on a large scale.

In 2002 after 6 month our first 21 hams graduated from the Amateur Radio Training School of the Solomon Islands- 12 from Malaita Island, 2 from Guadalcanal Island, 3 from Isabel Island, 2 from Choiseul Island, 1- Western province, 1 from Makira Island. Graduates have already used their new ham radio skills taking relief supplies to both former warring parties. Both to the people’s on South Malaita island hit by flooding and to people on South Guadalcanal Island hit by flooding and fleeing fighting.
Here 5 Police lives were saved when the supply ship picked up 5 who were under gunfire. Lives saved and lucky to be at the right place at the right time.



Bob asks:
Do you find that two-way radio still fuels the fire between the warring factions in the Solomon Islands as Malaitan Islander John Naitoro has claimed on numerous occasions? ------Bob


ANSWER 3 from Sam-
The only person not in the Solomon Islands peace process today is Harold Keke on South Guadalcanal. He is one of many who fought against the Malaita Eagle Force (MEF). All other parts of Guadalcanal made peace with the Malaita Eagle Force through the Australian held Townsville peace agreement.
Harold would have access to radios at clinics that operate in the 5MHz band which is the frequency used by Provincial radios around the country. I am told he respects those radios and leaves after using one. There are no telephones.
That radio is Harold’s only link to the world and it has been his only way to get his side of the story to the news desk of the Solomon Islands Broadcasting Corporation.
I have not heard or met him.
Since the war is over those radio wars on 5MHz are of the past.
Also its too dangerous for Harold to frequently be near those radios as Police were after him.
Those using the radios daily are all in the now well established peace. Most Malaitan fighters are back in Malaita starting new lives or in the Capital continuing where they were before the war started. The people of Guadalcanal work in the Capital and live in the countryside.

During the war many Guadalcanal people fled the Capital.
The 5MHz provincial radios are the telephone line of this island nation carrying business, personal and Government messages. That was when it was dangerous to be a Guadalcanal man in the Honiara hospital. The radio wars would have been during those times. Now both islanders mix freely in the Capital. The War in Solomon Islands is over.

It’s the damage to the economy and the rebuilding of the police (A European Police commissioner has arrived to fix this) that is now taking place. There are also moves to start talks with Harold Keke and Police have stoped hunting him.

Bob asks:
Are the Solomon Islands still the main smuggling route to Bougainville? Have you smuggled anything in or out of Bougainville recently?
…….Bob

ANSWER 4 from Sam-
The blockade of the Bougainville people has ended.
Bougainvilleans can again travel wherever they want.
You can mail what ever you want to whom ever you want.
Telephones work for those with money to make a call if they are lucky to be near one of the few that exist.
Anyone can send a gift to Francis Ona, he gives his address on his radio broadcasts and the authorities will deliver his mail.
Last I heard I think less than 10 PNG military were on Bougainville and they have requested to return to PNG.
The Bougainvilleans are being made to feel like they own and control Bougainville in the current UN peace process. Tourists are now welcome.
The former Bougainville Revolutionary Army (BRA) chief has completed a helicopter flying course in New Zealand and is back in Bougainville. That’s something that shows the people they can now do whatever they like, no one is blocking them from anything they want to do.
They now have unlimited travel so it’s a completely changed situation. The Police are just about all Bougainvillean.
The only area now out of bounds has been declared by Francis Ona himself. That’s the no go zone around the Panguna Copper Mine which was the issue sparking the 10 year long war. Until Independence is achieved Francis will not allow foreigners to make decisions that he says from now on will be made only by Bougainvilleans.

Bob asks-
Do you feel apprehension about Australia's new anti-terrorism laws?
-------Bob.

Answer 5 from Sam-
After 911 we need to look for ways of preventing people that are happy to die killing civilians.
Now in my ham hobby I would like to look at what makes someone happy to die killing others and what can we do to change people wanting to do such things. #
On our TV news Australians are being shown departing Sydney airport going to Baghdad to be with the Iraq people with crowds greeting them off. No one is talking about stopping them even though more of Australia’s military forces are on their way at this same time to the Gulf. Australians are not barred from going to any country on this planet at anytime. It’s a real democracy down under where we can all do what we want. No worries, She’ll be right mate. We are all free and easy these days. No one threatens anyone violently because they don’t like their ideas. People are even sticking up for Muslim woman in the streets who are being badmouthed. I am very proud that Australian society has gone through so much and has reached where we are now.

Bob asks:
What type of radio equipment is Radio Independent Mekamui using? How many watts is the station transmitting with? Where is the station located?
-------Bob

Answer 6 from Sam-
The Radio is a HF 2-way radio with 5Watts into a linear putting out 60Watts AM. It is in Guava village Francis Ona’s home village overlooking the Panguna Copper mine in Central Bougainville.

Bob asks:
It is alleged that you set up stations for armed militia leaders. Did you know Amnesty International said those leaders in charge had committed human rights abuses such as murder?
----- Bob

Answer 7 from Sam-
I have given reports to Amnesty International in Sydney. They told me to call their London office, which I did several times. This was on behalf of a Somali who asked me for help to get news to the outside about things that everyone else is afraid to handle.

I have also asked Francis Ona about particular incidences.
Amnesty has said that without that radio station they had no way to get reports from the other side of that 10-year conflict. They need access to both sides to produce as complete a report as possible.

If I see someone in distress or can help increase understanding or if I can bring people together I am happy to help. That’s what ham is- Helping All Mankind.

I recall in Solomon Islands when a foreign NGO came to me after our amateur radio training school had been going for 4 months with no help from anyone except the rooms provided by the National Disaster Management Organisation. They said there is no other project in the country that is run by volunteers. Since then Oxfam helped in the printing of a complete ham radio study course for students and which graduates can use to set up ham schools through out the country. The Australian Governments Ausaid through their Community Projects Rehabilitation fund made it possible to move to a new and bigger location allowing more people in the classes. They also supplied a complete ham station for the school training.
In a country where every one expects to be compensated this idea of ham is revolutionary. It is something the young people we have attracted have taken to. Like the volunteers in Somalia they know this is something they like and has brought together different people. In Solomon Islands, the 21 graduates include people who were on the opposite ends of the conflict. They would never have met and bonded together except for this course. Here you find Malaitan and Guadalcanal people together day after day. The ham school has 170 students who have passed at least 1 of the 12 topics required to obtain the ham license. The ham radio course has succeeded to bring people together after the war had driven them apart.
Something new is brewing- A new direction in life is being fostered where students help student and the wider role of helping community and inter-community relations is being born. I hope this core of people will be able to spread this new way of thinking as they set up new ham schools around this 350-island state. #


Bob asks:
What other stations have you "helped out"?
------Bob

Answer 8 from Sam-
I started Radio Galkayo in 1993. Ham radio training was included and like in the recent Solomon Islands model a free for all ham radio training course began.

For 3 months a Somali had told me that North East Somalia never had a radio station. I contacted Australian aid organisations and as with Bougainville found that no one was able to get involved.
It gave me the same feeling as Bougainville. I thought here are a people asking for help whom no one else can help. After 3 months of talking on the telephone and having never seen a Somali I said you are in Melbourne, I am in Sydney 700km away, lets meet each other for the first time in Singapore on our way to Somalia.

On arrival in Somalia all I was told and my instinct was correct.

I started the ham training by offering people no food and no money.
I have found that attracts the people with little opportunity and no job but who have lots of time and enthusiasm to learn. People from different clans wanted to join, I encouraged the breakdown in resistance to that and all those original multi-clan members are still at the radio today.
Where are the women? I encouraged an effort to open the training to girls, one of whom has since got a job with the Kenya Broadcasting Corporation.
All People who have the interest to learn the ham spirit gain a new direction in life. With this spirit those in Somalia now have an income from the local administration to maintain the radio station which they operated for free as volunteers all those years when no one could help except for fuel to keep the generator going. Volunteers were unknown but quickly understood as the training progressed. The students started to become respected by the community for the skills and service they gave. Never before had the town had its own radio broadcasting station. “My little girl is missing, last seen at” all kinds of messages where broadcast as the community were told this is your radio for you to use.

In 1994 Rotary International and the Australian Government funded a 1000Watt AM output Amplifier and Log Periodic aerial to be set up on a 30 metres tower which already existed at the Galkayo Police station. I was offered a return ticket to go back and up grade the station as a volunteer and set it up after a successful first year on air.
With growing confidence in the security of that radio it was moved out of the Police station into its own building in the middle of town.

The best effect of having the Ham radio training and building up the facility at the Police station was that it stoped the Police being isolated from the community. The community came in and out of that Police compound constantly and that set up an environment where the Police were not cut off in their own world. That was a very important contribution to the restarting of the Somali Police force.

It’s a similar beginning in Bougainville when a sign was put on the radio room door “no entry”. I took it off immediatly and said this is a community radio for everyone to use. I put a new sign on that door “all welcome”. These things need to be done at the very beginning so that everyone can see the positive effects and not worry about what might happen. The benefits of the civilian people walking in and out has the effect of bringing the ordinary people close to those in authority who would otherwise shut themselves from the community. Both stations continue to read messages to family and friends so maintaining the open access of a community radio

I have visited Somaliland.
When I said I was going to Galkayo I was told no one from Somaliland would cross the boarder to Galkayo, Somalia. Galkayo people similarly told me that no one would go with me into Somaliland.

On my departure after visiting Radio Hargeiysa in Somaliland a man who had never been across the boarder said he would go with me. I said you would be welcome. Nothing will happen to you. You will be with me all the time and I will go back to Hargeiysa with you.

On arrival in Galkayo, people were fascinated to talk with this man who explained why Somaliland had broken away from the turmoil of Somalia and had its own constitution, democratic elections, currency, flag, national anthem, motor car license plates, stamps, military, police and government infrastructure.
Somalia does not agree with the break away but no one was angry with that man. Someone from Galkayo, Somalia decided to go back with us to Hargeiysa, Somaliland. The Radio Galkayo staff asked if I could arrange for an exchange visit of staff between the two cities radio stations . That has since happened. Another example of how a ham can help people over come their fear of the unknown and bringing people together.

Now Radio Galkayo and Radio Hargeiysa and its staff are two of the few under the wings of Canadian Government funding being used to strengthen media broadcasting. To broaden the knowledge of the staff and keep those radios on the air.

In Bougainville I provided the current opposition to Francis Ona, with “Radio Paru Paru” which is a completely home built AM transmitter I built by modifying my home made morse code transmitter. I told Francis this is for you and this is for your “friends” in Paru Paru. #Francis had no trouble with the idea that I am openly helping both sides. He said because my help is humanitarian he respected it. #
A satellite phone that I delivered I used to telephone his opponent Joseph Kabui. For political reasons they don’t talk to each other and here I was acting as a relay conveying messages. They have not talked since. Why? Because I am not there to make such things happen. It shows why I say ham radio operators can make things happen that others cant. Its because hams are trusted by parties, both those who signed on to the United Nations peace process and those who did not.

In the Amateur Radio Training School of the Solomon Islands last year (2002) 6 months of training has resulted in two girls rising to the top Director and Vice Director positions both unpaid and voluntary. I am sure some support will come to these dedicated people in future as it has for those in Somalia. I tell all the students as a ham you don’t build up money. You build up something else, its respect for what you are doing to help people. When someone losses their money its said they loss many friends but if a ham is in distress you can be sure that their call for help will be answered because that person is respected. Respect is the strongest relationship you can build and it’s built by your actions.

-------Bob asks:
Do you care to comment on Colonel Abdullah Yousuf Ahmed's SSDF station in Somalia?
-------Bob

Answer 9 from Sam-
All the references above to Radio Galkayo describe how from its early beginnings in 1993 the students proved how starting with nothing they attracted the support of Rotary International, the Australian Government and currently the Canadian Government. With the changing situation over all those years the standing of that Radio as a community radio station continues and the staff over those years have exercised wisdom in accepting and rejecting material submitted to keep to the spirit of a community radio station. If something should happen beyond the control of such fine people then we know that their know-how and dedication are ready to move into action to serve the future national Government when it finally comes. These people who were born out of a ham radio training program are now part of a national resource being maintained and trained further by the international community in technical and program production knowledge.
The current national Government has no effective control in most of the country and a meeting of most Somali leaders is underway in Kenya to try and form a national Government which is accepted by all the leaders and clans.

I have been to Somalia 6 or 8 times and am starting to lose count. The Colonel always greets me and always says the radio is a community radio. He knows the original purpose of it to tell me it will always be a community radio before I even say anything. Many other groups in Somalia have asked my technical advice and I have refused none. As a Ham – Helping All Mankind person my help can serve to bring everyone together. The ultimate goal of Ham Radio activities is to bring the whole world together in peace and friendship. How can ham radio do that? Your questions are showing what one ham has already done. Now add to that what other hams are doing or could do and the potential of ham radio and its contribution to life in the 21 century is amazing.


Bob asks:
What was your involvement in Iraq, Iran, Jordan, Bangladesh, El Salvador, China and Russia? Are there any armed militia stations you have or intend to work on that have not been mentioned?
-------Bob

Answer 10 from Sam-
Iraq- See ANSWER 1B and ANSWER 11.
Iran- Not been there but have listened from Australia on ham radio to assist during their earthquake emergencies. A Russian disaster assistance team with a ham radio operator was there. They were talking to Russian disaster assistance people in the Russian language on the 20 metre ham band near 14.275MHz USB. That is where I was listening as reports came through the world media about the scope of the destruction and loss of life in the thousands if I remember correctly.

Jordan- See ANSWER 1B.

Bangladesh- See ANSWER 1B.
I contacted Singapore Airlines for a reduced fare and free freight.
During a cyclone tidal wave disaster I arrived at Dhaka airport with no Visa. Airport immigration asked me, Where is your Visa? “I have no Visa I am responding to your Prime Ministers call for emergency assistance.” Oh he has come to help our country let him through.
I went to the Hunger Project Office with my ham gear and a portable generator where a team was being organised to go to the tidal wave hit disaster areas.

Hurricane Iniki, Hawaii, USA
I contacted Continental airlines regarding free tickets. The airline manager said you want to help the USA? How many free tickets do you want? #5 hours later I was on a flight, I arrived at Honolulu airport. Customs said, You need documentation. “I have an IARN letter with details for me to catch a military flight to Kawai.” OK let him through. I stayed 1 month handling the daily Red Cross messages needed to maintain the 300 people at that relief shelter. The logistics for daily food and other needs were all handled through our ham radio link. We seemed to be the last area to get telephones restored. On return to Australia I received an award from the American Red Cross, Hawaii State Chapter for service rendered at their evacuation shelter at the Wimea High School.

San Salvador city, El Salvador and Mexico city, Mexico- Not been there but did listen from Australia during the earthquake of San Salvador city and Mexico City and helped in relays of traffic out of the Capital to the rest of the world on 14.275MHz. Contacted Australian radio and TV offering to pass health and welfare messages during both emergencies. I received an award from the President of Mexico along with other Aussie hams presented at the Sydney Opera House by the Mexican embassy. I also received a Citizen of the Year award for Service to the community from the Australian Council of the Municipality of Willoughby in Sydney. Participation in the worldwide assistance effort for Mexico lead to my appointment as International Amateur Radio Network (IARN) Director for Australia.

China
Visited Shanghai, China as a result of on air friendship with Chinese radio amateurs on the 20 metre ham band. That lead to an invitation from the China Radio Sports Association to visit the country. I visited the Shanghai Children’s Palace where after school activities includes ham radio. Half the kids are girls. The Solomon Islands is trying to equal or exceed China’s success in bringing ham radio to girls. This year 2003, the amateur radio training school of the Solomon Islands will specially target girls with the guidance of the 2 graduate student girls who are now the schools Director and Vice Director.
During China’s massive flood in Nanging, with my antenna beamed to China I located a ham (“Dragon”). He organised for authorities to accept our offer to help. Sydney hospitals donated half a ton of supplies and 2 Hams came with me. China airlines took the materials freight free and 3 of us paid our fares and took a ham station and a portable generator with the medical supplies and medical equipment.

Armenia
A massive earthquake killed thousands. I contacted Radio and TV to offer a heath and welfare message service for worried friends and relatives. I later received an award from the local Armenian community.

Bob asks:
How can you call yourself part of a 'radio peace corp when in virtually every area of the world where you have provided armed militia groups radio equipment untold atrocities have been committed by the very groups you have 'helped'?

Answer 11 from Sam-

If you want to help in peace building and bring people together you need to go to areas where there is no peace.
You will find in conflict areas the longer they go the less people you can find who have not done something wrong. In most conflicts both sides are sited by Amnesty, that means all sides need help. There is no good guy in wartime.

Look at the Vietnam War. Leaders got so desperate to find a solution they sprayed toxins on that country’s vast forests. Those areas lost all their trees and the civilians killed included anyone who lived in a forest village, that includes villagers trying to escape the atrocities being inflicted on them by both sides in that conflict. In World War 2 Leaders authorised fire bombing of entire German civilian city after city and the use of 2 atomic bombs on Japanese cities- all civilian none military targets. Now I think if you asked the people of the USA and Australia and the UK they would say we know they are civilian targets but we want to win and shorten the war.

Both sides need help. That’s why ham help is unique. The ham is not interested in taking sides. The ham wants to understand the situation by talking to all sides and helping those he or she can in ways no one else can. Friendship, medical supplies and communications these are the humanitarian tools used by the radio ham. Medical supplies save life immediately, friendship is the core of ham radio worldwide communications practised by every radio amateur on the airwaves as an example of how all peoples of all countries have already achieved on air intercommunications between complete strangers. It only takes a CQ call followed by a call sign and you will be friends with anyone who replies. The ham’s history, appearance, beliefs and religion all don’t matter.
It is worth noting that Amateur Radio in the 21st century remains the only free international communication system. Computers are 10 times more expensive than say a CB radio and there is no on the-air-time using radio.

Solomon Islands
One donated solar panel and transceiver to the Solomon Island ham radio graduating students who do not have $2 on most days will get them on air talking to the world. Free computers are limited in value for communications without telephone and money to make calls. The only system village people can use is a zero cost system.
Donated ham and CB radios can be operated in a village, aboard a ship, in a car, on a bicycle or portable on the coast, up a mountain, in the centre of a city or while walking and talking using a walkie talkie. Its also used in outer space today in the Space shuttle and the International space station. This is the exciting future for the 350-island nation Solomon Islands that is made possible only through the help of hams overseas.

In Somalia, Bougainville and Solomon Islands everyone is or was at stalemate. The people there were just like the US, UK and Australians during war, they all want to win. There is no 100% clean good boy side. You might get 100% historical facts of who did what to whom but what happens in War is you want to kill the other guy before he kills you. No matter who you are, what side you are on, which nation, clan or militia groups the longer these conflicts go on the more desperate both sides become.
To go to any conflict area you need to meet leaders if you want to be of any help to the people. If you don’t like the leaders then you cant do anything to help in the conflict resolution process. This is a long process. As a ham the more you listen and understand the more opportunity you have to make a difference in the process and in the difficulties of the ordinary people who ask you for life saving help. I am thinking of the lady about to give birth and her husband who asked to leave with me. They did not want to give birth in a cave like everyone else had too. Here was their chance to get out of the blockade to a hospital and give a new life a chance at birth to survive. Only one person but it could be you or me who will survive at birth or not. And who is there who can help or has any interest to help? It’s the radio ham again. I am thinking of another lady holding a baby who the doctor said would be dead in a few hours because all his medicines are long finished. When did you get your last medicines I asked? He says nothing since the last ones you sent us 1 year ago.
When Hams help people they don’t ask which side are you on and list all the atrocities you committed.

Iraq
Let me give you an example of how Hams help all sides in what- ever way we can.
The biggest challenge we have in world peace is how to change the atmosphere so that people no longer train to undertake suicide killings such as 911, Bali or as happens daily or weekly in Israel.
Currently the idea but not the means to implement this follows-
Hams go to meet with members of the Iraq amateur radio club #in Baghdad.
A new world order where everyone’s desire is fulfilled with Iraq a central key is outlined.
Iraq needs to do something dramatic to convince the USA it has no banned weapons or it needs to immediately disclose them.
Anything disclosed may, at this stage not be believed to be a real full disclosure because massive USA, UK and Australian forces are in place ready to move into Iraq.
The following points are initially suggested to Iraq:

(1) Iraq would announce it kept those weapons secret for its national security but has now decided to give all those weapons to the UN for the reason that now follows. Or really does not have any banned weapons and will demonstrate this to all the world ( here is the reason now following) by removing its security concern in the making of a peace treaty immediately with Kuwait and Israel and opening as soon as possible an Iraqi embassy in Israel Jerusalem.
No Arab country has an embassy in Jerusalem and this would make a dramatic statement unimaginable in its potential to change the current bitter feelings of the Arab public to Israel. It’s that bitterness once removed that will start to redress the full-scale training and glorification of suicide martyrs. The Allies desire to change regimes in Iraq could not accomplish any change in the atmosphere of bitterness in the Mid East but the current Iraq regime could in a breath taking way.

(2) Iraq would become the centre to start a new breakthrough in peace and development projects such as a railway linking all the Middle East, Africa, Asia and Europe for all the peoples using worldwide development funding.

(3) Iraq would call on Palestinians to join with Iraq in making peace with Israel.

(4) Iraq would be ready to host a meeting or facilitate in all peaceful ways the creation of the new Palestinian state based on full relations with Israel and part of Jerusalem, Palestine Jerusalem to be the Capital of the new Palestine State.
This would fulfil the desires of both Israel and Palestine to have Jerusalem as their Capital.
Iraq would then be the key to the peace that the whole region has been seeking.

(5) Iraq would further welcome continued UN inspections because it would be involved in peace and development throughout the region. Having established peace with Israel and Kuwait its security concerns would be well addressed.

(6) Iraq would support a peaceful discussion for a solution to the return of the 5 million Palestinian refuges to the areas of the new Palestinian State. This is the last key demand of those training suicide bombers.

(7) Full relations would be re-established with the USA who would be welcome to open any number of offices in the north and south zones of Iraq as a sign to those living there that they will be fully involved in the countries affairs and need have no fears.

(8) Further systems such as control of local affairs by the local people should be announced with some detail to give confidence to all the people in and out of the country.

(9) An immediate Pardon be given to all people who have fled Iraq. That might include pardoning top defectors to show everyone that a new era really has started. Immediate release of everyone in Prison might be a very dramatic show that these pardons and clemencies really are sincere and no one need fear returning to Iraq or living anywhere in Iraq.

Through the Internet and ham radio broadcasts I hope that hams in Baghdad can take this message to the leaders of their country or overseas visitors already there might be able to use these ideas. We can legally travel to Iraq from Australia if I can help in any way or if anyone has further ideas please let me know.
E mail- svoron@hotmail.com
Tel/Fax- Sydney, Australia 61-2-94171066

Bob says-
Sam, these are questions that are very reasonable for me to ask of you since I am considering making a substantial donation of amateur radio equipment to your organisation, which I presume is, the IARN headed by Mr. Glenn Baxter - K1MAN of Belgrade Lakes, Maine.

Thankyou,

Bob wd4awo

Sam answers:
Welcome aboard.
In the Solomon Island project the only way on the air for graduating hams is through donated equipment. They will be able to open ham schools through out the country but will be very much reliant on what ever the outside world can send them to actually get on the air. The National Disaster Management Organisation is accepting gifts to the school.
Details are on http://www.H44A.com
73…Sam Voron VK2BVS, H44A


For background see:
http://www.H44A.com
http://www.radiogalkayo.com
see the older news- village ham radio in Solomon Islands

kd5scg
02-08-2003, 04:22 PM
Did anyone actually read that?

w6th
02-08-2003, 04:46 PM
I did not read it, but sure would be good for cw practice. QST, QST, QST, code practice my friends.

K2WH
02-08-2003, 05:27 PM
I'm glad you two guys commented first. #I didn't want to touch this one. #I feel safe now. #However, I am sure hams should not attempt to interfere with U.S. foreign policy.

The feel good, pacifist approach is not going to work with Saddam. #Saddam and people of his ilk, look upon weakness as a benefit/bonus that should be exploited to the fullest then #eliminated; definetly not respected. #That's why I laugh every time I see anti-war protesters. #They don't seem to get it that if this country was ever destroyed or defeated by terrorists groups, organizations or some other enemy, the smiling pacifists and do gooders would be the first to go without even a thank you because of their inherent weakness and an inability to act with force and conviction. #Something that does not suit the enemys agenda or needs.

Strength garners respect and fear in their eyes and they are right. #Look at new reels that come out of the mideast. #You see women and children waving M-16's and other weapons in the air chanting death to America. #In their world, that demands respect. #Do the same thing in this country, and the mideast would cringe in fear of the U.S.

Finally, I get the uneasy feeling, #this post is a call for volunteers to be "Human Shields" if the U.S. decides to go to war. #Then again, it also seems to be an advertisement for the somewhat unconventional K1MAN.

K2WH

9V1VV
02-08-2003, 06:44 PM
Hmmm,

I waded through most of it. The guy is certainly well-travelled, I give him that. Amateur Radio is a hobby. It is not a political tool. Once it becomes so, it will be exploited and doomed eventually to extinction. We as radio hams represent the full spectrum of political belief, as any other secular group, from far right to far left. Once we abuse our privileges as communicators and spout off our personal beliefs over the air, dissention and argument set in. Then we are at each others' throats. Can't we stay off the politics in this one area of our lives, which up until now has been mercifully free of proseletysing? I sincerely hope so.

k3vv
02-08-2003, 07:47 PM
Though I am a self-described "right-wing" Christian, a constitutionalist, a hypervigilant political conservative, and an advocate, to a fault, of the universal right (and in my case, the considered obligation) to take up arms in the defense of country and family, I find nothing in the Sam's description of his international activities that arouses suspicion or alarm.

In fact, I am grateful that there are folks like Sam who attempt to use the historically unprecedented medium of amateur radio to build bridges of understanding between conflicting peoples and governments. One might well argue that Sam's action (and indeed his life's work) is naive and quixotic, or that his attempts at mediation are the good but misguided deeds of a simple heart or of a secret sympathizer with this or that government. I think that there may more to Sam's work than this.

Do I therefore think that the US should pull back its military forces and allow Saddam Hussein's government to embellish and extend his reign of terror? Decidedly not! Nor do I think that the government of Saddam will embrace Sam's Iraqi peace proposal, which is, after all completely at odds with 30 years of considered Iraqi foreign and domestic policy. (I don't know Sam, but I bet that he has a pretty realistic idea of these odds.)

However, I do find much in Sam's Iraqi proposal (particularly with regard to Israel) that a post-Saddam government might wish to consider, and I do believe that God (or if you prefer, cosmic coincidence control) steers receptive people toward ideas and documents that affect them in a positive way, even when such instruments come from the hand of an ambassador without portfolio.

What appeals to me about most about Sam's post is a spirit, of if you prefer, a tone that I have seen before among conservative Quakers, Amish, and Mennonites, many of whom are Christian pacifists. If pressed, I would say that the gist of this spirit lies in the willingness to take on large-scale and impossibly tangled conflicts in a small-scale and arguably quixotic fashion. I was surprised many, many times during my early years a consevative Quaker to see that miniscule, incremental, and even flawed acts of individual kindness and mediation made positive, humanitarian, and even life-saving changes in a complex world of big enemies and big weapons.

Now I don't hold this out to be one of the eight immutable truths delivered personally by God on my flinty little hilltop farm here in Pennsylvania. It's just that I've seen small acts of charitable mediation practiced during times of war by conservative Quakers and by my Mennonite and Amish neighbors, and I have seen first-hand the positive effects that such actions can have. In full, excruciating knowledge of my fallible humanity, I don't consider that such experience affords me a privileged perspective on war and conflict, though perhaps it is an unusual perspective, at least in a statistical sense. Naive? Maybe so, but given my experience, I would have to be even more spiritually imbecilic than I am to believe that religious pacifists do not play a useful role in times of war, or to believe that such people damage a country as mighty as ours.

In the dark world of the Internet, there is always the possibility that one may encounter a sociopath who emulates a person of goodness and reason. Though I have met my share of sociopaths, in my larger experience, good and reasonable people are many times more common than sociopaths skillful enough to imitate the kind of person that Sam gives every appearance of being. Sam, I found your letter and your efforts impressive. Though I walk a different path, I wish you Godspeed on yours.

Though I hope it does not, I expect that my post may anger some of you, and I have no objection to being flamed, though be warned that doing so will earn you a place in my prayers, as well as a polite and considered reply if I have anything helpful to say in response.

God bless,
Ken Rice, K3VV
Coopersburg, PA

N2RJ
02-09-2003, 01:17 AM
Did anyone consider the fact that if we have a full blown world war the Government may simply order all hams off the air?

K7LCS
02-09-2003, 01:38 AM
TO AB2MH: AND JUST WHAT ARM OF THE HAM RADIO SOCIETY DO YOU THINK WOULD BE ACTIVATED?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif HAMS WERE ORDERED OFF IN WW2, BUT STILL PLAYED A LARGE PART IN COMMUNICATIONS...THINK ABOUT IT. WHY DO WE HAVE ALL THESE MEETINGS:?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif??

kb7uxe
02-09-2003, 02:06 AM
QRZ, wut were you thinking?
Why in the world would you post such?
With all thats going on in the world in that area,
sometimes the best thing said is






















.

KC5CPO
02-09-2003, 03:56 AM
Okay, perhaps I missed something... How is ham radio going to do anything to get Saddam Hussein to disarm?
"CQ, CQ, CQ, Mr. Hussein this is KC5CPO, If you would be so kind as to get rid of your weapons of mass distruction, I would be happy to send you my QSL card. Thanks, 73" Or perhaps we as amateur radio operators are begining to think too much of ourselves. Ham Radio is a hobby... nothing more. Sure we have had the oportunity to help in times of disaster and emergency, and we are quite good at it... there are times, however, when ham radio operators need a good swift kick in the butt and a good dose of reality. As our great President said..."The time for games is over."

AD5CA
02-09-2003, 05:43 AM
Delusions abound, get rid of this nonsense.
#Mark # AD5CA

w0aew
02-09-2003, 02:32 PM
It's nice to see someone trying to help his fellow humans rather than following the bellicose swill emitted by religious and power-hungry morons from various parts of the globe.

Personally, I'd like to see these various "leaders" locked into a small room to settle their differences and leave the rest of us alone. They remind me of neighborhood bullies trying to recruit other kids to fight their battles for them. Cowards.

N2RJ
02-09-2003, 10:24 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K7LCS @ Feb. 08 2003,20:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">TO AB2MH: AND JUST WHAT ARM OF THE HAM RADIO SOCIETY DO YOU THINK WOULD BE ACTIVATED?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif HAMS WERE ORDERED OFF IN WW2, BUT STILL PLAYED A LARGE PART IN COMMUNICATIONS...THINK ABOUT IT. WHY DO WE HAVE ALL THESE MEETINGS:?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif??[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I personally think Ham Radio will not be activated. The military has many far more sophisticated means of communications than what we have in Ham Radio.

kb3eaa
02-10-2003, 02:03 AM
Where were these guys when the Kurds were getting gassed by Saddam? Where were they when Saddam shut off their heating oil supply a few weeks ago in the middle of the Iraqi winter? How about helping the inspectors find WMD's? Or if you need to be so covert, how about gathering and disseminating intel about Saddams torture factories? You must be against torture, right? How about finding our missing Navy pilot?

This thing about getting the cheapest hotel in Jordan, sounds like you got a case of the creepin' Gramsci's prolatariat guilt syndrome. And "Ham radio is not about taking sides"...until it comes time for America bashing, right? And what a great solution to the Iraq problem! All that has to happen is for the Soddomizer to read your post, realize that he has not played well with others, and chant "om" for a while. OOPS! I really didn't want to kill ten thousand Kurds with poison gas! Iraq's future will shine brightly then. Of course the Soddomizer will need to face thousands of angry, tortured and starved Iraqi civilians and military who have a few bones to pick with him. Good idea. Where did you get this crap from, 7 habits of highly effective bloodthirsty dictators?

vk2bvs
02-10-2003, 04:28 AM
From-K3VR
There is so much delusional, pie-in-the-sky, nonsense in this article, that it really isn't worth taking the time to rebut it all effectively, so I'll just tackle one aspect of it.
…K3VR

REPLY FROM SAM VK2BVS
Hello K3VR you posted a very detailed story about me on your web site that was very well done. It was very well explained. It had lots of references. It was an excellent effort.
http://users.adelphia.net/~k3vr/trex.htm
I put that web site as a reference at the end of this story as of 4 Feb 2003.
That gave everyone another point of reference to this story apart from mine.

Today you removed your web page story about me and created one about paedophile on that web page.

So today I removed reference to your web site and directed anyone wanting to see it to my article on “village amateur radio in the Solomon Islands” where you put that same web site in your reply letter to that last article I had written.
See it in the qrz old story list currently on view in qrz.com.

If I did not remove your web site today people might think why is your article on paedophile in my reference list?

I was happy to give coverage to your view.
You changed the topic on that page and 1-hour after its removal from this artical you have come here.

Honesty if you don’t believe in someone’s ideas that is fine.
Your actions in a debate over a period of time let people see what the level of the discussion is.
I welcome your opposing view. One can only grow from frank discussion.
If someone is doing funny things it makes one think just how powerful is a persons reasoning when they need to rely on things other than discussion.
You’re reasoning and discussion was great. It layed a case very well.
You don’t need to trap people with funny games if you really believe in the weight of what you are saying.
Many believe in what they are saying and for some reason need to play tricks.
I believe you believe what you are saying but with the tricks you are playing you have not read my article.
If you did you would see very clearly that what it says is god bless planet earth and yes that includes the USA!

I also notice WD4AWO is also playing some games. Your letter on reading is excellent. I have answered it in detail but it looks like both you and the other K3VR who also replied side by side in my last story "village ham radio in Solomon Islands" are not really interested in this topic.
It looks on reading your letters here and in my last post that your both after IARN.
Gentlemen its easy to let everyone know about everything.
You just give everyone Glens Web site.
http://www.k1man.com
all these funny letters and games is not neccessary.
Everything is on the internet for all to see.

…Sam VK2BVS, H44A the radio ham in Sydney, Australia
My Webpage (http://www.h44a.com)

ke4pjw
02-10-2003, 06:28 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (vk2bvs @ Feb. 08 2003,22:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">From-K3VR
There is so much delusional, pie-in-the-sky, nonsense in this article, that it really isn't worth taking the time to rebut it all effectively, so I'll just tackle one aspect of it.
...K3VR

REPLY FROM SAM VK2BVS
Hello K3VR you posted a very detailed story about me on your web site that was very well done. It was very well explained. It had lots of references. It was an excellent effort.
http://users.adelphia.net/~k3vr/trex.htm
I put that web site as a reference at the end of this story as of 4 Feb 2003.
That gave everyone another point of reference to this story apart from mine.

Today you removed your web page story about me and created one about paedophile on that web page.

So today I removed reference to your web site and directed anyone wanting to see it to my article on "village amateur radio in the Solomon Islands" where you put that same web site in your reply letter to that last article I had written.
See it in the qrz old story list currently on view in qrz.com.

If I did not remove your web site today people might think why is your article on paedophile in my reference list?

I was happy to give coverage to your view.
You changed the topic on that page and 1-hour after its removal from this artical you have come here.

Honesty if you don't believe in someone's ideas that is fine.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I did a search of Google's cache (http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:lYzuRGGhBUwC:users.adelphia.net/~k3vr/trex.htm+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8) and it appears that the page's URL (http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:lYzuRGGhBUwC:users.adelphia.net/~k3vr/trex.htm+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8) was recently changed to here. (http://users.adelphia.net/~k3vr/charity.html)

N3HGB
02-10-2003, 12:34 PM
Why did QRZ allow this delusional rambling to be posted as news?
The LAST THING ON EARTH anyone with a ham ticket needs when traveling is for the host country to think he is there to give radio equipment to whomever the local rebals happen to be.
Please, no more of this.

w0aew
02-10-2003, 02:03 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N3HGB @ Feb. 10 2003,05:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Why did QRZ allow this delusional rambling to be posted as news?
The LAST THING ON EARTH anyone with a ham ticket needs when traveling is for the host country to think he is there to give radio equipment to whomever the local rebals happen to be.
Please, no more of this.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The topic is related to ham radio and is germane. Thanks for posting the submission QRZ! It's becoming increasingly difficult to block debate on topics with any connection to the Iraq-war debacle since the internet allows word from outside the Axis of Weasles curtain to leak in.

K2WH
02-10-2003, 02:10 PM
In my opinion and many others, this post no longer (or never did), have anything to do with amateur radio. #It has diverged into accounts of Terrorism, links to #Al-Queda and thank you letters from murderous dictators. #Oh last but not least, Glen Baxter and the dubious actions of IARN.

Where is the moderator?

K2WH

kg6ath
02-10-2003, 05:15 PM
Reread the purpose of Amateur Radio. Smewhere in there is something
about promoting international friendship. Isnt that what Sam is doing ?

I dont think Sam is politicizing ham radio.
He seems to be using it as a tool to gain trust from both sides.
This done, he can come in a an un-credentialed diplomat
respected by both sides, and make a difference.

Some places this can work.
With Saddam gone, he could actually make some progress in Iraq.
I think Saddam must go first.
(Isnt Saddam a former "lap dog" of the US that went rabid on us ?)

Exchange visits between Israel & Palestine of teenagers give both
totally new understanding of the other side.

Having had a co-worker from Beruit Lebanon was a HUGE education to
me. I found out that there was FAR more going on than I was hearing from
conventional news.

I would argue that Sam could make a difference right now in Palestine.

We have 1 side that views the other as "all terrrorists".
We have another side that views the others as "occupying power"
or as an invader.
1 side has wealth.
The other side almost nothing, and their main source of income is menial
labor on the other side of the border, when the borders
can be crossed.

When these people have technical skills, they can share income with extended families and the disparity wanes.

When radio operators on both sides of the border make contact, they
already have something in common. They both are into radio.
From there they have a chance to see that they may have even more in
common. Perhaps a common interest in music, art, parents driving teenagers crazy, teenagers driving parents crazy, etc.

Keep in mind something that our government isnt willing to say in public,
the suicide bombers do it because they have
NOTHING LEFT TO LOSE or LIVE FOR!

Perhaps Sam can change that.

Ham radio is a great start to training the next generation of technical people.

When you look at it, wars are usually over someone wanting something
and not being able to get any other way (food, water, energy etc)

When you take people who are living in poverty and you teach them a
technical skill, there is a chance that this skill will end up feeding an
extended family.

Margaret Meade, respected anthropologist once observed that we should
never underestimate the ability of a small number of concerned citizens
to change the world. She further noted that indded its the only thing that
has!

Its time to send Sam to Palestine.

ke4pjw
02-10-2003, 07:33 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kg6ath @ Feb. 09 2003,11:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Reread the purpose of Amateur Radio. Smewhere in there is something
about promoting international friendship. Isnt that what Sam is doing ?
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Giving communications equipment to people who are attempting to topple their own government is not exactly what I would call "promoting international goodwill." It sounds like the IARN is getting involved in what is clearly a domestic issue in the Solomon Islands.

kb3eaa
02-10-2003, 08:40 PM
Maybe Sam needs to go to cooking school. #He could oversee the exchange of recipes between two warring groups, hellbent on killing each other. #They already have something in common, they're into food. #Then, if things get nasty again, they can have a big food fight. #Not much training will be needed for the participants, as in ham radio. #

Now reality. #To promote goodwill, one must promote from a position of strength. #This is because there are some who will not respond to the gift of radios and training with a life and philosophy change. #Radios are great. #Ham radio is great. #But there is no inherent spirit living in the capacitors which will propagate within those who have already tortured and murdered and dismembered and stolen. #Just like an RC circuit, this "goodwill" has a time constant, and dictators revert to the business of mass murder after the diversion. Ham radio is a tool, as is any form of communication. #A tool will be used by the user, not by the seller.
Also,
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So does that mean that the question was completely unanswered, completely avoided, or that there is completely no reason to ask? #You can't be nearly.

vk2bvs
02-11-2003, 03:21 AM
Brian K3VR says-
Sam, allow me to address your repeated attempts to divert the issues. Please discontinue your practice of focusing attention elsewhere and not answering relevant questions.
…K3VR

Sam VK2BVS answer 1
Brian, Here is your entire letter.
I will go through it line by line so as to make sure I don’t miss any of your questions.
…VK2BVS

Brian says-
If I choose to post an article I'm writing for a clinical journal, on MY web page, for clinical review by MY colleagues, and you link to that article, that is your problem, not mine.
I change my web page often, usually daily. I often post the articles I write for comment. If you are going to chastise me about that practice; then I request that YOU not link to my web pages at all, for any reason.
This thread was begun by you, and it is all about you, and your parent organisation, and not about me, let's leave it that way.
…K3VR

Sam answer 2-
Brian, you posted your web address yourself in my last article “village ham radio in the Solomon Islands”.
It invites anyone to take a look.
You changed it to show something about paedophile.
You posted your web page for all to see.
Your invitation and that web address is still on the current out going old stories listed in the front of qrz.com for all to see.
Anyone looking at your reply to that “village ham radio in the Solomon Islands” story is now seeing that story about paedophile on the web address you have directed them to see.
I can’t remove it. You put it there. All I can do now is outline what you did so that people who look at your paedophile story can make some sense of why you would do that.
As I said I don’t know why. Your case is good. You don’t need to do this other funny business.
…VK2BVS





Brian says-
The issue here is that you, Sam Voron, VK2BVS, Director of IARN Australia, along with K1MAN, Glenn Baxter, President of IARN, have been asking for donations and support from Amateur operators all over the world, and you are now using QRZ to facilitate asking for those donations.
…K3VR

Sam answer 3-
The only way for the people of the Solomon Islands to get on air is through donated gear.
Up till last year all hams were foreign workers or tourists.
For the first time we have native born people getting their ham license.
If its only IARN and me which is blocking your kindness to want to help those people you would have seen that at the end of my story I mention the National Disaster Management Organisation. That is the Government organisation. Send your gift not through Glen or me but direct through that Government agency.
You will find their address on http://www.H44a.com
I note there is a post from Shanghai, China. They also are asking for help.
It does not matter whom you help.
Help anyone you can.
I have visited Shanghai 3 times.
Very nice people.
…VK2BVS

Brian says-
The second issue is that you are now encouraging hams to become politically active on the Iraqi War issue.
I'll be brief and I'll list my concerns concisely and in plain English.
1. I do not agree with your attempt to politicize QRZ, or Ham Radio in general.
…K3VR

Sam answers 4-
Anyone who looks at the questions asked of me by WD4AWO in this article only needs to go back to your reply and the reply of WD4AWO in the article “village ham radio in the Solomon Islands”.
You will see from that letter WD4AWO is very interested in the people of the Solomon Islands.
He wants to donate some radio gear but is concerned about questions in your articles on your web page about me (the one which as I said you changed to become the topic on paedophile).
I said before you are both not serious about this topic.
WD4AWO thinks he has to pretend to be a donor to get a reply to his letter.
I said before all these tricks and games are not necessary.
Had I not replied to WD4AWO, you and he would have been the first to say, “he never responded”.
Sorry it took so long to respond. This is my brother’s computer and I can only get on when he is not here. Also I was completing documenting the entire ham radio-training course in the Solomon Islands on http://www.H44A.com
WD4AWO made it clear he wanted me to response not to him privately as some genuine donor might. But he wanted the reply in public in the qrz forum.
People interested in helping other people don’t set up traps and bate.
As I said I am happy to answer any question and these funny games are not necessary. Everything I am telling you I have told the newspapers, Radio and TV Downunder. You don’t need to pretend you are interested to help people or to want to donate anything to get a reply from me.
…VK2BVS

Brian says-
2. I choose NOT to donate, and I believe most other US Hams will choose NOT to donate, once they know what has been done with your previous donations.
…K3VR

Sam answer 5-
Brian, what ever is donated will never be enough.
Most donated gear is CB radios, cheap, lightweight and able to get more hams on air. 9 CB channels are for Ham use in Solomon Islands and they hope to get all 40 channels. All those unwanted 23 or 40 channel CB radios can be donated.
China has a quarter of all the worlds’ population and one post is on this site from China with zero replies.
You are a ham helping all mankind person. Many people need help. Help anyone you can.
…VK2BVS

Brian says-
3. I stand behind my statement: Certain technology, including radio equipment, in the wrong hands, is a very dangerous military weapon, commonly used for propaganda and coordination of troop movement.
…K3VR

Sam answer 6-
Technology did not exist during the caveman days.
To kill you don’t need technology.
To want to kill is in the mind of man and woman.
It’s the mind that controls the use of everything.
That’s where ham – Helping All Mankind can stand apart from all else.
By the way someone in the replies here suggested I go to Palestine.
I am very interested in that suggestion.
If anyone is connected to groups which would be able to get me there then I am ready.
…VK2BVS

Brian says-
4. As former Site Support and Logistics Coordinator for Test Equipment and Guidance Systems onboard the Polaris and Trident II Nuclear Submarine Fleet, Navsea Support Systems, Department of Defense, I know what I'm talking about. On April 22, 1988, I wrote the Naval Site Support plan for what is known as the Eastern Test Range, or colloquially, as Cape Canaveral.
…K3VR

Sam answer 7-
I am a Ham Helping All Mankind radio operator only interested in bring people together.
I know the military and the politicians are very important. Each has their job. My, passion and life is to Help All Mankind whenever I can.
…VK2BVS

Brian says-
5. Let me repeat. Radio equipment is potentially a very dangerous weapon. It is not in the civilian or amateur interest to enter any zone of conflict in order to deliver radio equipment.
…K3VR

Sam answer 8-
I repeat answer 6 and the article Iraq- what can radio hams do.
…VK2BVS

Brian says-
6. Humanitarian supplies include food, clean water, clothes, shelter, blankets, and ONLY, supervised, brief status messages from the civilian afflicted, passed to loved ones abroad.
…K3VR

Sam answer 9-
I believe the above is a list of ham activities you listed.
To that I would include Helping All Mankind in whatever way you can to bring the whole world together. This is the number one priority. Without a united world our problems have only just started. The idealism of Ham radio has never been needed more than today. Many hams have found themselves in conflict areas. Hams around the world live in those areas. You cannot separate ham from conflict because those are the real life and death situations where all the worlds’ efforts are needed to help.
…VK2BVS

Brian says-
7. Any radio equipment, given to leaders of militant regimes, constitutes MILITARY AID.
….K3VR

Sam answer 10-
As a radio ham I don’t have a military out look on life. But I agree we need people like you who do, don’t get me wrong.
…VK2BVS

Brian says-
8. I will NOT donate radio equipment to ANY organisation that has ever given ANY equipment to Somali Warlords accused of human rights atrocities, as your organisation has done. The Warlord you aided stands accused of Murder, Rape, and the Burning of Villages. He also recently refused to step down after legally held elections. That makes him a Military Dictator.
…K3VR

Sam answer 11-
Can’t say more than to repeat all the specifics I have given in the main article and to repeat the purpose of Ham- Help All Mankind.
…VK2BVS

Brian says-
9. I will NOT give radio equipment to ANY organization that has given radio equipment to rebel leaders on Bougainville, who have also been accused of human rights atrocities, or who were in revolt against our allies, as your organization has done.
…K3VR

Sam answer 12-
The allies already donated many radios to all sides of the conflict. That’s their only way to easily communicate. With the UN peace process it has been absolutely vital to have radios especially between the leaders of all sides. Today’s Radio Australia news has said $12 million is being sent by the allies to directly go into the pockets of Bougainvilleans and that all social and all other methods were bring gathered to have Francis Ona join the elections to form the new autonomous government in July 2003.
Your language is of a tone to push people apart.
The allies are trying to push people together.
Ham radio is here to bring people together.
With regards donating equipment please do to anyone you wish whom you find comfortable with. That’s the ham spirit.
…VK2BVS



Brian says-
10. I do NOT support Sadaam Hussein, or believe that a President who has gassed his own population should be "negotiated with" other than to arrange for his exile for the safety of the rest of the world.
…K3VR

Sam answer 13
As a ham Helping All Mankind radio hobbyist I am thinking of how to bring people together. Hatred against any person is not necessary and makes you unable to think in a way that can help everyone.
…Vk2BVS

Brian says-
11. I did not agree with IARN's effort on the eve of the previous Gulf War, when IARN went to Baghdad to deliver an amateur third party settlement agreement, or its offer to coordinate relief supplies. That is the role of our Ambassador to Iraq, and the International Red Cross, not the role or purpose of the Ham Radio I know.
…K3VR

Sam answer 14
I received a fax in reply to a fax to former ham JY1. He thought the idea was a good one. That story is in the article above.
The proposal in this article was sent to the Iraq embassy in Canberra, Australia.
If Iraq feel it could be of use I have offered to go to Baghdad if they provide a return ticket.
I have heard nothing as yet. #
Our Prime Minister is in the USA now.
Hams are doing all they can think of right now to bring people together.
…VK2BVS

Brian says-
12. I do NOT believe that civilians should give radio equipment to ANYONE involved in an armed struggle at ANY time. Ham radio should be non-political and it should remain non-political. Governments can and do make mistakes, but our role as citizens is to vote, and legally challenge decisions we disagree with, not to circumvent the decisions made by our respective governments.
….K3VR

Sam answer 15
You will see in the article where I have outlined real human life and death situations where only a ham, a person helping all sides has been able to do things no one else could. Ham is a spirit, an international spirit; we recognise ourselves within every person and reach out a hand of friendship to build understanding.
…VK2BVS

Brian says-
13. Protest? By all means... Evade Naval blockades to smuggle radio equipment to rebel leaders? That is a political, and a military activity. Anyone who denies that is a fool.
…K3VR

Sam answer 16
Where there is suffering and the world can’t see you must not turn your back if you happen to be maybe the only one to see it.
If I was dying somewhere and a stranger came to help me I would be very happy.
It’s very easy to talk when you don’t need help.
I try to go to as many places as my income allows me.
Instead of looking at tourist sites I enjoy helping people whenever I meet them.
That help is through my knowledge and passion in ham radio and how it can be used to bring people together.
…VK2BVS

Brian says-
Now let's discuss your parent organization:
1. I do not agree with Glenn Baxter, K1MAN, the President of your organization IARN; when he calls Riley Hollingsworth a "cheap and sleazy politician," a "hatchet man," "devious," "a public disgrace to the Amateur Radio Service, to the Commission, to the legal profession, and to the United States of America."

2. I did not agree with Glenn Baxter, K1MAN, when he wrote to Walter Cronkite's Lawyer; Riley Hollingsworth; Chris Imlay, legal counsel for ARRL; and Myself, to tell us to "seriously consider getting the hell out of my face and out of my way!" because we object to copyright infringement and/or the way he is (according to the FCC letter of January 29, 2002,) breaking FCC rules.
http://www.arrl.org/news/enforcement_logs/2002/0209.html

3. When Baxter wrote, he would see us all in "court just as soon as I am damn well good and ready to sue all of your pathetic, petty, and childish little butts for the pure fun of it" I did not find those words to be the words of a rational person.


4. K1MAN, IARN President, Glenn Baxter's continued harassment in sending numerous, bizarre, and unsolicited email messages, after he was told on January 6, 2003, to cease and desist, is likewise, neither wise, nor rational.

5. For all the reasons cited above, and all of the other reasons, too lengthy or distasteful to post here; I will not be supporting ANY activity that YOU or Glenn Baxter are involved with, at any time, now, or in the future.

For the same reasons, I'd also discourage all of my fellow hams, all over the world, from donating to you, to Glenn Baxter, or to any organization associated with either of you.

Sincerely,

Brian Crow, K3VR, Pittsburgh

Sam answer 17
I suspect these problems start with something that can blow out of proportion.
Look at you and me. 2 messages and a small disagreement started.
The more I write to you the happier I become. I don’t use bad words and have zero anger to you.
Maybe I should come to the USA and have Glen, yourself and others in a room to sort things out. Or a nearby ham might like to try their ham conflict resolution skills.

I now understand where you and the original asker of these questions were coming from.

I must say its great to have such a debate and have someone give his full name at the end. That means you put your name to what you said which is great.

Well done Brian
73…Sam Voron, Sydney, Australia…VK2BVS
My Webpage (http://www.H44A.com)

K2WH
02-11-2003, 04:51 PM
Sam's original post was interesting but I was left scratching my head trying to figure out what he was trying to say. #Brian's reply to Sam's original posting was well thought out, concise and portrayed realistic, real world conditions, #situations and events. #Brian is obviously in touch with reality. #

After reading "Sams" reply to "Brian", I am firmly convinced "Sam" is on some mood altering pharmaceutical giving him a utopian view of the world. #All he offers is wishy washy, limp wristed, pacificist replies to Brian that are global in nature, flowery and do not directly address his statements. #I think the term is "Dancing around the issue", "Beating around the bush", etc.

He is quite obviously a liberals liberal who sees nothing wrong with anything in this world, no one is really evil and evil is just a mind set that can be eliminated, modified or adjusted to suit ones needs through the use of Ham Radio and a lilting voice. #Excuse me while I throw up.

While Sams actions and opinions are admirable wanting to take care of all the downtrodden and persecuted #humans on this planet, it is just not (as the song goes) "What the world needs now - love sweet love". #Decisive action - with a first stike capability and take charge attitude is needed in this new world of terrorism, death and destruction.

Scotty - beam me up!

K2WH

pinguine
02-11-2003, 05:08 PM
Sorry to say, to upload such an amount of text on QRZ.com it is a total moronism, not to mention some of the meanings and the total mess up with the politics which should have nothing in common with ham radio. Wise up.

AC7RG
02-11-2003, 08:30 PM
"Darwin's dice have rolled badly for Earth. . . . The human species is, in a word, an environmental abnormality. It is possible that intelligence in the wrong kind of species was foreordained to be a fatal combination for the biosphere. Perhaps a law of evolution is that intelligence usually extinguishes itself."

- Edward O. Wilson

kb7uxe
02-12-2003, 02:01 AM
HEY ! wait,, let me get my main jib up,
I wanna catch all this hot air !
let me put this html space to sum constructive use.

How about lets talk about something more important,
Like the Mic and Key Flea Market comming up at the Puyallup fair grounds in Puyallup Wa march 8th..

signed your fearless leader and prez of the
Rebels Amature Radio Club,
Radio-Education-Brotherhood-Entertainment-Learning-Service

Also our March REBELS meeting will be held, Saturday March 15 at 2pm at the Roy General Store Steak House
located in Roy Wa. All are welcome..

KB7UXE DAN.
kb7uxe@yelmte.com
( and ta think I was actually elected....)

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vk2bvs
02-13-2003, 10:05 AM
Hello Bob WD4AWO,
Thank you for those Bougainville web addresses.
The following information will help those reading one of the web stories to avoid a mix up:
One of those stories starts talking obout someone called Francis.
Further into that story their last name is given as Omi (meaning bad).
Francis Omi is a person who travelled on a boat.
That is not Francis Ona.
Francis Ona has never left the island over these 13 years.
This will help those reading that web story and avoid a possible mix up.

Re- Humanitarian aid and the use of radio.
Francis Ona will not accept humanitarian aid with strings.
He says he will not allow people to come in uninvited under the guise of wanting to give humanitarian aid unless he believes it has no strings or other purpose attached.
He said PNG paid millions of dollars to the South African Sandline military mercenaries to come and liquidate native people who traditionally own the mine land site on Bougainville.
He said PNG paid foreigners half of $36million to come from a foreign country to kill its own people (they get the other half of the money after the job is done). He said this shows it's control of the mine is their real interest and not the people.
If people had stood by and did nothing those native peoples who have lived for centuries on Bougainville may not be here today.
The history is written about what happened to many American Indians and Australian Aborigines who completely disappeared from history because of others wanting their lands.
Thanks to the radio, the word soon spread as more information leaked out about foreign voices being heard on the 2way radios in Bougainville and leaks from the PNG Army that they were upset that the Government had paid foreigners to do it’s job.
Australia and New Zealand became alarmed and both the counties short wave radio stations broadcast what was happening.
Demonstrations of ordinary people and the army in PNG saw the foreign soldiers arrested by the PNG army and a new PNG Government resulted.
How hams have helped in Bougainville is an amazing story of our time where people did something.

What can hams do inside and outside conflict areas?
If you remember that you are a Ham- A person who Helps All Mankind-
That formula reminds you to avoid the politics, focus on helping all sides you can and take all opportunities to bring people together.

Francis Ona said he can’t talk to Joseph Kabui for political reasons but if they both got their ham licenses he could because he understands ham radio is not political.
Both men have satellite phones but never telephone each other.
There is no ham radio training school on Bougainville so I have proposed this to both parties.
This could re-establish confidence because the ham bands are non-political and both men know that.

Now everyone’s effort including the UN and PNG is to bring Francis out of his distrust.
Ham – Helping All Mankind is one of the few third parties Francis trusts because ham radio has no political or economic agenda.
A Jewish ham in London said “the former King Hussein JY1 of Jordan was at war with Israel but on ham radio we are all hams talking together.”

This may give some more food for thought as we continue to use our past experiences to focus on Iraq and what hams are doing or can do to bring people together.

73…Sam Voron #VK2BVS

My Webpage (http://www.H44A.com)

vk2bvs
02-14-2003, 12:13 AM
Hello Bob WD4AWO
I will reply to your letter point by point

Bob says-
Sam,
Once again you are trying to cloud the issue.
…..Bob

Sam says-
I am not trying to cloud any issue.
I have answered all your questions about the use of radio to bring people together through radio.
I outlined how radio has saved lives.
How ham radio has provided unique help to people no one else could help.
Your issue is a military one.
You have been trained in the military you said in a previous reply.
I have never been in the military. I have never had a gun.
My issue is a humanitarian one.
We are both looking at the issue from our own perspective.
My perspective comes from helping people through Ham radio.
Your perspective has a lot of military background that I know nothing about.
…Sam

Bob says-
The websites I posted refer to the BRA and Francis Ona.
Francis ONA received radio equipment from you and your organization - IARN. No matter how you 'thought' he would use the 'aid' from you, it was and still is being used in a military fashion.
…Bob

Sam says-
Hams bring people together.
When you go to a conflict zone you help all the people not just one side.
You gain a direct understanding of what is happening.
You need to give all people communications otherwise you are only getting one point of view.
The more communications you have the more people can understand what is going on.
To save life and open communication to all people is what we need today.
The most dangers are from those who have no communications.
Such people are blocked from any possibility of being in a peace process.
Such people can do whatever they want and no one will ever know.
This is the biggest danger today.
Hams go to where people need help and talk face to face.
I think if as someone commented in these pages, if we could get leaders to sit together face to face they could better solve the world’s problems.
I have often thought. If it’s so easy for a ham to meet top leaders why can’t opposing leaders come together.
When you don’t meet your enemy face to face you can say any story you want about them.
If you go to the home of your enemy and talk face to face a complete change in the atmosphere is possible.
Hams are trusted because they bring all people a way to talk and be heard.
Two opposing sides may have radio as their only way to communicate.
Medicine can be used as a military weapon by blocking it to your opponent.
Ham is not interested in blocking humanitarian aid.
What a ham sees is the human face and the suffering of people.
It’s easy to say do nothing. To say ones humanitarian help is military.
Any help can be said to be military. Just to meet someone could be classified as military.
If that were so then Francis Ona would not let us help his enemy.
In fact its because we help both sides that he sees that the help of the ham is humanitarian. Hams have the same recognition by leaders in Somalia and Solomon Islands. That is why ham radio has allowed third party facilitation between enemies. Ham is open to all sides in a humanitarian none political and no other hidden agenda way. That is why we are one of the few groups whose help is accepted by people in crisis areas where few else can help.
No one should be without communications. Communications is the only way we have to solve our problems. It must not be used to incite hatred otherwise all help stops. Disagreement is fine. This our only condition has not been violated by any parties.
…Sam

#
Bob says-
Are you so naive that you don't realize that you provided military aid to a rebel militant organization?
I don't think so.
…Bob

Sam
Where people fight each other they might see it as good verses evil, but a ham see ordinary people.
The mission of Ham radio is to bring all people together.
From our beginnings of ham radio we are on air showing the world we can communicate worldwide in peace and increase our understanding.
In a conflict that spirit of Helping All Mankind is never more needed.
The skills of ham radio are being applied to the whole world especially where little communications exists between people.
Ham radio is not about a military struggle.
However people will and do have a hundred interpretations for every thing.
I know mine is only one view.
It’s a view to help create the kind of world I would like to be part of.
The world I want is one where everyone lives together happily.
If I can help people to make that happen using all the skills I have as a ham and a world citizen then I can say to myself I did all I could in the ham spirit to help everyone I could.
…Sam

Bob says-
You either are a very misguided person, which may be possible, or you are a very willing supplier of military aid to various rebel militant organizations, some of whom are labeled as terrorist groups by the governments they are trying to overthrow, which seems more plausible with every bit of information you supply about your activities and what is discovered by news gathering organizations throughout the world.
…Bob

Sam says-
I have often had TV and news organisations ask me about the worlds trouble spots and how ham radio helps.
I tell them that I am a ham radio operator.
I started at 11 years of age collecting QSL cards.
Now I love meeting people and helping all I can.
I tell them that Ham radio is the ultimate way of bringing all the skills we have to bring the world together.
This planet today has big problems and it needs everyone to do all they can to bring people together.
…Sam


Bob says-
To put the matter to rest, why did Francis Ona blow up the truck bringing real humanitarian relief to the children of Bougainville?
…Bob

Sam says-
I don’t know. You need to ask Francis (1) Is the story true #(2) Was it him? (3) If yes why?
…Sam

Bob says-
Simply put, Francis Ona is a terrorist and is regarded by the governments of Australia and Papua New Guinea as a very dangerous one.
You supplied aid to him.
…Bob

Sam says-
During war a lot is said and all sorts of claims are made to paint a picture.
Before the Bougainvilleans had a radio only one-sided information was given. Yours is a good example of using an incident to paint a whole story.
In conflicts, war, marriage or family disputes for every incident painted the other side can paint another incident.
The job of the ham is not to count up who has the most violations and then exclude the other party from help. The job of a ham is to bring people together.

You seem to be painting a picture that is now off the rails regarding PNG and Australia’s view of Francis Ona.
Australia and PNG are moving heaven and earth to give Francis a leading role in the July 2003 elections. If Francis wants to lead that Bougainville autonomous Government everyone would be over joyed. He has been recognised many times as having a just cause but the wrong method of fighting it.
Francis will be the first to say that simple talks that he had requested would have prevented the war.
He wanted talks to renegotiate the mine conditions that the mine had promised to do but PNG government refused. A cycle of actions started which was preventable by leaders simply coming to talk face to face. As the War continued both sides matched each other’s actions.

Maybe it’s similar to the War of words and threats now going on with Korea.

The current problem is that Francis sees the autonomous Government as a PNG tool for hanging onto Bougainville and he does not believe the PNG promise that it will be followed by a referendum on independence.

In case you missed the news the war has ended.
Francis has a no go zone set up to stop the mine being reopened.
Francis is the traditional owner of that mine.
No one wants that mine to reopen and start up that 10-year war.

This is a good example of how not to solve a conflict-
Paint one side as the reason for all the problems.
Call Francis Ona a terrorist. Did you know that all the opposing leaders in Somalia call each other terrorists? So will the real terrorist please stand up?
In civil life the term terrorism is starting to be used just as some have used the term Paedophile to intimidate people, before the word Communism or Jew was used in the same way. For Bali and 911 I think suicide bomber is more specific.
…Sam

Bob says-
You can live in your fantasy world and minimize your involvement with a known terrorist and rebel military leader all you want.
The published facts are very clear as to the type of organizations that you are attracted to when you 'donate' them radio equipment.
...Bob

Sam-
Using the word terrorist, rebel and military leader paints a stark picture.
Ham is unique because you are interested to Help All Mankind.
Ham does not use words to divide people.
We now need to find the words and actions that can heal people and bring them together.
A ham does not see people as enemies, a ham sees people as friends.
The ham wants peace and understanding.
The mission of a ham radio operator to help all mankind is very unique in a world of uncertainly and violence.
It’s a mission and spirit the entire world needs at this very time. In every country. In every religion and for all people in crises who need help. #
…Sam

Bob says-
So, be a HAM - Helping all Mankind. It just so happens that the 'mankind' you are known to help hurt and even murder their own countrymen if it accomplishes their objectives.

Bob WD4AWO

Sam-
Who has done no wrong?
We are all on the one planet. We can only do our best.

Sam Voron , Sydney, Australia VK2BVS

My Webpage (http://www.H44A.com)

K2WH
02-14-2003, 02:13 AM
This continuing saga is useless. #Sam is broken and can't be fixed.

He is totally immersed in (H)elping (A)ll (M)ankind and acts and talks as if the institution of HAM is a world church. #I'm sure he is a religious zealot, an individual that cannot be bargained with, cannot be reasoned with and has no pity and no remorse he will never stop, until you are d ........................ #Sorry, I thought I was in a terminator movie for a moment.

K2WH

kd5vez
02-14-2003, 02:30 AM
Sam, when someone writes a short post...why answer it with a term-paper sized post that wanders between topics and in an out of relevancy?

I certainly recognize that you want the rest of us to understand that your intentions are good, but apparently some of the other gentlemen who've posted here find fault in some of the results. #You justify providing communications to leaders on opposing sides of a conflict to catalyze the peace-brokering process, by claiming that it saves lives. #Though that be your intent, you also have just given something very precious to these leaders... the ability to "Move, shoot, and ." #Communicate, you guessed it. The third tactical necessity of combat is communication. #By 'saving' lives, you endanger others, even if the end result is a temporary peace. I say temporary, because if not EVERYONE in a region wants peace, no one gets it. #If you want to give humanitarian aid, spend your time and money feeding the starving people around the world. #If people starve, thats just another way of starting civil unrest. Clothe the poor, care for the sick, give homes to the homeless. #People can't eat, wear, or farm radios Sam. #If you give a radio to Sadam Hussein, and to George Bush, the people of Iraq will still starve, and they will still hate. Give them what they need Sam, not what you THINK they need. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

A. M. Taylor
KD5VEZ

KD7KOY
02-14-2003, 09:14 AM
In case someone has'nt been keeping up with current events, this country is at war.
Just some "advice".
I would seriously consider this. It is now a crime by passage of the "Patriot Act" to support certain groups and/or activities. And the terms does not just mean "Al Queda"..
I would read the "Patriot Act" thoughly, especially the part about "material support", before you "donate" anything to anyone, especially outside the United States...it may save you alot of heartburn...and it's the law.

vk2bvs
02-14-2003, 05:19 PM
Hello Greg N3MVF,
Your 3 donated ham radios: Yaesu FT840, Icom IC718 and Kenwood TS430 were received by Loti Yates, the Director of the Solomon Islands National Disaster Management Organisation and one of your radios was heard on the air today.

A SHIP is VISITING the SOLOMON ISLANDS that were hit by cyclone.

They are carrying food and timber for home reconstruction.
The ship is getting relay help from Australian hams who are passing messages to Honiara. The ship can’t talk direct because the Capital of Solomon Islands, Honiara is in their radio skip or dead zone.

Put your radio on 28.490MHz USB and monitor for Alfred H44SAT who can appear anytime day and night.
You can help relay between the ship and the Capital, Honiara.

VK4JAM made the first contact today, he talked to them for an hour and helped relay messages to the ham school in Honiara around 0300UTC.

H44MKA Margaret who is the schools director and student Clement are manning the ham school station.

Loti gave your donated radio to Alfred H44SAT to use on the relief ship Ramos 3.
Alfred is one of the new graduates at the Amateur Radio Training School of the Solomon Islands.
He and other school volunteers are helping the staff of the National Disaster Council.

Your donated ham radios arrived very timely in Solomon Islands.
Loti allocated your radios to the ham graduates who are helping him in the disaster recovery effort.

That means 3 new graduates will now have their own ham radios.
Keep those radios coming.

No radio going to the Solomon Islands is for anyone other than the graduating students at the Amateur Radio Training School of the Solomon Islands.

Loti Yates the Director of the National Disaster Management Organisation wants to link all 350 islands in the country through the hams graduating at the ham school.
This is the third ship taking relief supplies in which the school graduates are helping the country.
These are the schools beginner ham students getting straight into the delivery of food and materials.

Ham radio is now associated with all the countries disaster assistance efforts.

All donated gear can be mailed direct to the National Disaster Management Organisation in the Solomon Islands as Greg did.
They don’t need to go through IARN or myself.

The address to post your radios and more about the ham school is on-
http://www.H44A.com

Sam Voron, VK2BVS, Sydney, Australia
My Webpage (http://www.H44A.com)

w0aew
02-15-2003, 04:58 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K3VR @ Feb. 13 2003,16:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">For anyone with aspirations similar to Sam's; please be careful. Smuggling radio equipment to anti-democratic militia factions in the third world, can be a very dangerous way to 'help all mankind.'[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

He'll have to really get busy if he's going to create nearly the mayhem that our Idiot-in-Chief is unleashing on the world.

w0aew
02-16-2003, 03:54 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K3VR @ Feb. 15 2003,12:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Does anyone remember 17 March 1988? Within half an hour of Sadaam's attack on his own people in the Kurdish city of Halabja, over 5,000 men, women and children were dead from chemical weapons containing a wide range of pathogens which were dropped on them.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Another urban myth, like the incubator story? You may wish to check rumors before publishing them:

Halabja was attacked in the closing weeks of the Iran-Iraq War, when two Kurdish guerrilla groups sided
# # # # # # # #against Saddam. It lies just inside Iraq's border with Iran, and the Iranians had mounted an offensive in the
# # # # # # # #region. Halabja was thus contested territory. That many people died that day is beyond dispute. The question is,
# # # # # # # #Who killed them?

# # # # # # # #When pictures and stories flooded the world press—reporters had been helicoptered in by the Iranians, who
# # # # # # # #saw Halabja as a PR opportunity—the reaction was automatic. Most reporters, well aware of Saddam's long
# # # # # # # #history of poison gas use against the Iranian army, accepted their hosts' explanation: Saddam had gassed his
# # # # # # # #own people.

# # # # # # # #The Reagan-Bush White House, which had tilted decisively toward Saddam in the war, denounced Iraq
# # # # # # # #immediately. But the State Department wasn't so sure. "There are indications that Iran may also have used
# # # # # # # #chemical artillery shells in this fighting," spokesman Charles Redman told the press a week after the attack. "We
# # # # # # # #call on Iran and Iraq to desist immediately from the use of any chemical weapons."

# # # # # # # #Redman may have been relying on a Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) report filed the day of his announcement.
# # # # # # # #It stated that "most of the casualties in Halabja were reportedly caused by cyan[o]gen chloride. This agent has
# # # # # # # #never been used by Iraq, but Iran has shown interest in it. Mustard gas casualties in the town were probably
# # # # # # # #caused by Iraqi weapons, because Iran has never been noted using that agent."

# # # # # # # #In time, studies were commissioned from and produced by the military and intelligence communities, which found
# # # # # # # #that both armies had used gas. One report, "Lessons Learned: The Iran-Iraq War," was prepared by Dr.
# # # # # # # #Stephen Pelletiere and Lieutenant Colonel Douglas Johnson of the U.S. Army War College's Strategic Studies
# # # # # # # #Institute. Its findings came out of a two-day conference attended by U.S. defense attachés who had served in
# # # # # # # #the Middle East, as well as by military and political analysts from both the CIA and the DIA who had monitored
# # # # # # # #the war. Because neither Iran nor Iraq had allowed reporters or foreign military observers at the front, the
# # # # # # # #report drew on field reports, open source materials, and "signal intelligence"—phone and radio messages sent
# # # # # # # #by the warring armies, and picked up by the National Security Agency.

# # # # # # # #Most of the report's chapter on chemical weapons is devoted to Iraqi military tactics, but one sentence stands
# # # # # # # #out: "Blood agents [i.e., cyanogen chloride] were allegedly responsible for the most infamous use of chemicals in
# # # # # # # #the war—the killing of Kurds at Halabjah. Since the Iraqis have no history of using these two agents—and the
# # # # # # # #Iranians do—we conclude that the Iranians perpetrated this attack." (The report is available at
# # # # # # # #www.fas.org/man/dod-101/ops/war/docs/3203/.)

Full story at: http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0218/trilling.php

kg6amw
02-16-2003, 04:02 PM
Sam I have suggestion. I recognize your efforts to help the less forturnate and appluad your efforts. #If you want to continue to be successful, please go well out of your way to avoid taking political positions on subjects or even the appearence of such. In this case its the appearence of taking a position. #Your work is too important to get involved in these exchanges. In the future, keep your reports simple and direct. Who did you help and why and what do you need so you can help even more.

vk2bvs
02-17-2003, 02:44 AM
Hello KG6AMW.
Thank you for those comments.

Some very interesting reading also being referred to by other posts as well. Thank you all.

I am getting ready to air freight donated items to the Amateur Radio Training School of the Solomon Islands.
Its been a busy weekend here.
Almost 40 boxes of donated gear for the school is packed.

The first native born Islanders got their ham licences last year when I spent 6 months on the Island of Guadalcanal in the first free of charge full time ham training school set up for the indigenous people of that country.

These new graduates are now the teachers and the aim is to reach a position where they can set up Ham radio schools throughout this 350 island nation.

The schools 170 students will use the school ham station until they are able to receive donated equipment on graduating.

Graduates without ham gear need to wait to get on air because the new students have priority use to make the required 10 contacts on CB followed by 10 on ham radio.
CB radios are excellent to get the graduates on air as they wait for donated amateur radio transceivers.
The schools ham radio training course is posted on http://www.H44A.com

This is a life time effort in supplying Solomon Islanders with all the equipment they need because they have no other way to join the airwaves except through the help of us hams around the world.

Over the weekend I received:

Swan 350 HF transceiver (Spent 6 hours going through this 40 years old valve beauty, no dust inside, same size as an FT101 but very surprised to see 100Watts on 28MHz and up to 200Watts on 3.5MHz.
I believe the multi thousand dollar FT1000MP MarkV is one of the few rated at 200Watts today. Even some modern (FT747) radios only seem to get 80Watts output. This one will go to Margaret H44MKA the ham radio school Director.
-Thanks to Ellis of Lanecove, Sydney.

TS520S HF transceiver. Works very well. Listen out for Margaret, she will tell you which graduate gets yours Betty.
-Thanks to Betty of West Pymble, Sydney for this one.

Oscilloscope- Another valve beauty. Now the students will see one in action for the first time!

Complete computer with monitor and printer- Thanks to Nikki and Karen of Lanecove, Sydney for this one. Any complete going system 468 or better and programmed to go can also be dropped in.

Antenna wire from John KB1.

31 folders, 12,000 sticks of blackboard chalk! And 16,000 sheets of paper! - These are great reserves for the use of the ham students in Honiara and for the new ham schools to be set up in the remote areas outside the Capital.

If you have CB radios or amateur transceivers to join this air freight being prepared to the Solomon Islands Ham school drop them in anytime 24 hour 7 days at-

International Amateur Radio Club of Sydney, Australia
Sam Voron VK2BVS, H44A
2 Griffith Ave,
Roseville N.S.W. Australia 2069

Look out for the 50 foot tower with the 2 element on 7MHz, 5element on 14/21/28MHz, The 2 monster vertical CB antennas and the Aussie (Australian) flag flying high. If you cant see it you know your at the wrong address!

If you are not in Sydney you can mail your donated gear through Mr Loti Yates at the Solomon Islands National Disaster Management Organisation
See postal info on http://www.H44A.com


My Webpage (http://www.H44A.com)

vk2bvs
02-17-2003, 07:08 AM
SOLOMON ISLANDS ASKS HAMS TO HELP

I just got a call from the Director of the Solomon Islands National Disaster Management Organisation (NDMO) Mr Loti Yates.

Loti Yates requests that any ham who makes contact with H44SAT on the ship Ramos 3 pass the following message to Martin Karani (NDMO disaster relief officer) and ask him to advise the ships Captain not to go to Lata.

A threat to the ship may exist in Lata and Loti Yates wants the ship NOT to go to Lata but return to the Capital Honiara.

Today the ship was in Tikopia Island unloading timber for home construction and distributing seed and cuttings for food gardens destroyed by the cyclone.

The ship will be going to Anuta Island to unload more relief supplies and then to Lata.

The ship is expected in Lata on Wednesday 19 Feb or Thursday 20 Feb 2003.

Look for the ship on 28.490MHz USB.


On board are these volunteers of the Amateur Radio Training School of the Solomon Islands- 15year old Rockson H44EE, 20 year old Alfred H44SAT, 2 of the schools students, Martin the NDMO official and the ships Captain.

They can come on at any time so please monitor 28.490MHz USB when your radio is not busy.

2100 to 0700 UTC is day time for them.
Conditions all day and to 1400UTC (1am their time) has been observed from Australia.

Last contact with them was a few days ago at 0300UTC.

USA signals are good from 2100UTC.

They may still be travelling up till Monday before arriving in Honiara so keep listening on 28.490MHz USB for updates.

Anyone able to pass this message