Chiropractic Hams

[KB1WM]

Are you a chiropractic doctor? If so, I would like to invite you to join a new net that is forming for chiropractic doctors who are also ham radio operators.

Our first meeting is scheduled for Thursday, January 23 on 14.308 MHz at 2300Z. If there is enough interest, we will turn it into a regular net. As of now, this net is intended as a purely social net, but that does not preclude more formal elements in the future.

If you have any questions or comments, feel free to e-mail me at ajenkins@cshore.com

Please join us!

Avery L. Jenkins, DC, DACBN, CCN
KB1WM

[K2WH]

Hey, great stuff. #Great that you want to start a "Chiropractic Net". #I guess it should generate as much interest as some of the other distinguished nets such as:

The "Dog Catchers" net
The "Feline Symposium" net
The "Firemens Friends" net
The "Boat Floaters" net
The "Farm Tractor Rebuilders" net
The "Electricians Who Wire Homes" net
The "Model Aircraft" net
The "Environmentalist's" net
The "Neuro Surgeons" net
The "Save the Trees" net
The "Save the Tigers" net
The "Save the Whales" net
The "Old Timers" net
The "W.A.S." net
The "Carpenters Who are Hams" net
The "Landscapers" net
The "Boatanchor" net
The "Hallicrafters Users" net
The "Hammarlund Users" net
The "Drake Users" net
The "Am Forever" net
The "CW Forever" net
The "YL" net
The "Eliminate Nets" net

........ and so on. I think maybe you would want to put this net on 17 meters also since there are so few there.

Regards,

K2WH

[kq6fu]

Don't forget the "People who THINK they're doctor's but really aren't net". I think that would be the appropriate name here.
73
KQ6FU

[iz7ecb]

Good luck for your new net !!!
If you like have a look at our IPHG web site.

73 Andrea, IZ7ECB
Co-founder, with IK2UVR, of the
INTERNATIONAL PHARMACISTS HAM GROUP (IPHG) www.malpensa.it/iphg.index.htm

[W9WHE]

Boy-oh-boy, all we need to do is link up the Chiropractic net with the ambulance chasing P.I. lawyer net and wala! A marriage made in hevan.

Maby they will discuss MAXIMIZING $$ recovery for 1 MPH rear enders! (at least until the med-pay coverage runs out)

Look at the way KB1WM refers to himself:

"Biography Info:

When not playing with his Heathkit, Dr. Jenkins is a chiropractic physician".

[KE4YEH]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Boy-oh-boy, all we need to do is link up the Chiropractic net with the ambulance chasing P.I. lawyer net and wala! A marriage made in hevan.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

My vote is for a bad speller's net. Now wouldn't THAT be a big crowd http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[n0srq]

It seems most everybody wants to poke fun at the original post. #It really doesn't matter to me if they have a net or not. #I haven't found myself being interested in any of the nets that are currently on the air so I usually tune right past them.

There should be a net for the "split frequency traffic cops" # where they can #learn the best way to add to the interference already caused by the operators unaware of the split frequency. # #"OH Yah!!" #they already seem to meet on every DXpedition frequecy I've ever tried to work. #The current active ones are no exception.

Sorry, I didn't mean to take this the wrong direction.

73 # #Ray # N0UY

[wd5kca]

Is the CW Forever net on 20m SSB? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[k4wde]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K2WH @ Jan. 28 2003,05:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hey, great stuff. #Great that you want to start a "Chiropractic Net". #I guess it should generate as much interest as some of the other distinguished nets such as:

The "Dog Catchers" net
The "Feline Symposium" net
The "Firemens Friends" net
The "Boat Floaters" net
The "Farm Tractor Rebuilders" net
The "Electricians Who Wire Homes" net
The "Model Aircraft" net
The "Environmentalist's" net
The "Neuro Surgeons" net
The "Save the Trees" net
The "Save the Tigers" net
The "Save the Whales" net
The "Old Timers" net
The "W.A.S." net
The "Carpenters Who are Hams" net
The "Landscapers" net
The "Boatanchor" net
The "Hallicrafters Users" net
The "Hammarlund Users" net
The "Drake Users" net
The "Am Forever" net
The "CW Forever" net
The "YL" net
The "Eliminate Nets" net

........ and so on. #I think maybe you would want to put this net on 17 meters also since there are so few there.

Regards,

K2WH[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Pretty funny. #You forgot one though.
The Smart A** net.

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[W9WHE]

K2WH says:

"Pretty funny. You forgot one though.
The Smart A** net".

Hey...... I resemble that remark!

But then, as I have allways said, its better to be a Smart A** then Dumb A**!.

[ki8jd]

""Don't forget the "People who THINK they're doctor's but really aren't net". I think that would be the appropriate name here.""
For your sake, I hope you never experience the extreme pain that can be caused by back problems. I have, and I thank God for my chiropractor. It is an honest profession, and chiropractors should be given the respect they deserve. Many years of college are necessary to become a chiropractor, and yes, they really are doctors.

[kd7mtr]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">For your sake, I hope you never experience the extreme pain that can be caused by back problems. I have, and I thank God for my chiropractor. It is an honest profession, and chiropractors should be given the respect they deserve. Many years of college are necessary to become a chiropractor, and yes, they really are doctors.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

I have to say this. #Depending on what you consider </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Many years of college [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>. #I do know that they have to go to college for more than one year but as far as that's concerned, they still don't require as much schooling as a real doctor. #Though there is a calling for chiropractors I don't know if we should actually call them doctors. #That being said good day to all.
# # # # # # # # # # # # # 73's
# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #Kai

[KB1WM]

Actually, Kai, you are under a bit of a misapprehension. Becoming a chiropractic doctor does require the same number of hours of education as becoming a medical doctor. To get accepted into chiropractic college, you must have a bachelor's degree with all of the typical science prerequisites. To become a chiropractic doctor, in addition to completing 4 additional years of chiropractic college, you must also complete an internship, and some schools require a dissertation as well.

As with the medical profession, board certification in any specialty (neurology, pediatrics, orthopedics, clinical nutrition, to name a few) requires an additional few years of post-grad education, as well as board exams (which in my case included both practical and written examinations, as well as an oral defense of one of 5 case studies which I was required to submit to the examining board.)

Should I be addressed as Dr. Jenkins? You bet. I earned it.

Avery KB1WM

[kc5slq]

greetings

Are you talking about MARCO net?
I would be interested if there was a different net time, because
2300Z is 5pm for me and (as kq6fu nad w9whe may like to know)
at that time I am usually listening to people complain
about their previous real doctor and wanting to switch to
our clinic.
We work with MDs and make referrals as needed.
Use whatever works.

73
Daryl Pate,DC kc5slq

[kd7mtr]

Well then things must have changed in the past twenty years. #When I did a report in high school the chiropractor mentioned nothing more to me than a couple of years college. #So meaning no disrespect that was where my information came from. #

# # # # # # # # # # # # # # #Good Day, #73's
# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #Kai

Chiropractors exposed from quackwatch.com

http://www.ncahf.org/articles/c-d/chiro.html

[K3ESE]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aNULLretentive @ Feb. 03 2003,17:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Chiropractors exposed from quackwatch.com

http://www.ncahf.org/articles/c-d/chiro.html[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Chiropractors are quacks, eh? Who says so? Well, in the site quoted above, it's our old self-appointed Dr. Stephen "Don Quixote" Barrett, flack for the AMA, whose life's work is the elimination of any threat to allopathy. See some facts about him here:

http://www.rvi.net/~fluoride/goldberg.htm

#Now, are there actually any proven benefits to chiropractic care? See for yourself:

http://www.chiroweb.com/archives/10/24/17.html

http://www.drrisley.com/html/nonmusc.html

http://www.vitalityweb.com/chiro/studys1.htm

# What's really strange is that here, on a ham site, the mere mention of chiropractic sends some hams over the edge into a foaming, vitriolic fit of rage. Check your meds, guys!

Lets present both sides of the coin.

http://www.chirobase.org

Face piles of trials with smiles, for it riles them to believe that you perceive the web they weave.
Keep on thinking Free.

[K3ESE]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aNULLretentive @ Feb. 04 2003,11:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Lets present both sides of the coin.

http://www.chirobase.org

Face piles with smiles![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Indeed, if Dr. Barrett is all there is out there to "refute" chiropractic, all is not lost!

He has been discredited and called frivolous by a judge of the California Superior Court, during a case where he attempted to represent himself as an expert witness against homeopathy:

"...Dr. Barrett's heavy activities in lecturing and writing about alternative medicine similarly are focused on the eradication of the practices about which he opines. Both witnesses' fees, as Dr. Barrett testified, are paid from a fund established by Plaintiff NCAHF from the proceeds of suits such as the case at bar. Based on this fact alone, the Court may infer that Dr. Barrett and Sampson are more likely to receive fees for testifying on behalf of NCAHF in future cases if the Plaintiff prevails in the instant action and thereby wins funds to enrich the litigation fund described by Dr. Barrett. It is apparent, therefore, that both men have a direct, personal financial interest in the outcome of this litigation. ..."

from:

http://www.iahf.com/antiquackbusters/20020105a.html

...here's some more:

Stephen Barrett, Self-Proclaimed "Consumer Advocate " Charged With Racketeering, and Civil Rights Violations, in California...
De-licensed MD Stephen Barrett - who makes questionable claims of being a retired psychiatrist, has long testified against, ridiculed, and warned against, anybody that practices "alternative medicine." He calls it "health fraud and quackery." Barrett has labeled two-time Nobel prize winner Linus Pauling as a "quack."

from:

http://www.citizenshealth.org/barrett.htm

also, in an article by Burton Goldberg about Stephen Barrett, he says:
In the paradox of "quackbusting," the quackbusters say they're protecting public health, but in fact, they're abandoning the public to their own suffering to protect the financial interests of conventional medicine, which has no interest in or ability to produce benefits for these conditions. The "quackbusters" say they're serving the public, but the truth is they're grossly disserving patients. Thanks to Barrett's remarkable chemical insensitivity, a great many patients will be left to suffer on their own without any diagnosis or treatment, except perhaps another round of Prozac on the house.

from:

http://implants.clic.net/tony/Corner3/095.html


Dr. Barrett...crusader flack for the medicoes. Wonder if they even want him?

[KE6PKJ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K3ESE @ Feb. 04 2003,07:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What's really strange is that here, on a ham site, the mere mention of chiropractic sends some hams over the edge into a foaming, vitriolic fit of rage. Check your meds, guys![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
"What's really strange is that here, on a ham site, the mere mention of chiropractic sends some hams over the edge into a foaming, vitriolic fit of rage. Check your meds, guys!"

Who's raging here?

Doctor, heal thyself! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[K3ESE]

Ha, ha! Oooohhh, you got me!

# Here I thought I'd fool everyone into thinking that I was providing some substantive facts, easy to find, to show that the "movement" to discredit a healing profession was bunk, as well as to provide some hard-to-refute evidence of scientific support for chiro care...

# But you, Kirk, saw through all that, didn't you? I'll just crawl away to my cave now, to nurse my deep wounds, and leave this playing field to those of you, like Kirk, who are so much wiser that we're not even in the same league.

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[KE6PKJ]

Hi LLoyd, as I like most here, are not in the health care profession, don't take these posts or themselves to seriously. It appears that anullretentive was looking to yank someone's chain and you took the bait. Nobody here really cares that much about the issues of chiropractic medicine or whether they're real doctors or not. It's a good natured ham forum and most of us see these posts as some tongue-in-cheek ribbing, not something to be taken personally.

Live, Love, Laugh.

Shalom A'lechem

Here is the funny part..... I don't have an opinion pro or con with chiro's, nor did I express one. I simply posted a both sides of the coin statement and a couple of contrary links to play devils advocate. Boy, talk about Knee Jerk reactions and hurt feelings!

[cwm]

The man puts out a simple request to join others of like mind on the air and, with the exception of two or three postings, he is greeting by a barrage of self styled experts on what constitutes "legitimate" medical therapy.

Now I know why they invented Mellaril..........!!

VE3MFN. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

http://www.angryharry.com

[KB1WM]

It really is funny how chiropractic doctors are such lightning rods for the antis of the universe. I suppose it is because we are the most numerous and most visible representatives of alternative health in this country.

Although this forum did turn into a debate on my profession's credibility, that really wasn't my intent. I merely wanted to get the word out about my proposed net.

For everyone who is actually interested in such a net, I have received a number of responses, many of which requested a change in time and/or frequency. I'm in the midst of compiling these responses, and will get back to everyone in a few weeks with a new sked. No doubt the antis will want to know so that they can get there jamming equipment, catcalls, and rude comments up to snuff in advance. Maybe they can practice a little on 14.275 or something.

Anyway, I will be posting a new sked shortly.

Avery KB1WM

[kb0vvk]

lived in Davenport iowa
every time woc went off the air my dad would say
must be letting the chiropractors work the controls

[kb0vvk]

If you do start a net and on some night your wife says you can,t get on that night Dont cut her up and put her in the river.

[WA9SVD]

Great forum.

A fellow ham wants to start a net, and we get a bunch of attacks on the legitimacy of his profession. If that's NOT off the topic, then I don't know what is! Amateur Radio Fraternity at it's finest, I guess.