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you will receive a request to buy your rig from overseas.. the person will indicate that "a client" in the usa owes the buyer a large sum of money.. to "make things easy" the "client" will send you the large "cashiers check" you will ship the rig or "the client will "pick it up" and you "western union the "overpayment" overseas, and since the "client " sent you a "cashiers check" you are safe.. the "client" never shows up for the rig, and the "cashiers check" is a forgery.. you are out the "balance you sent"
W5KRM
01-27-2003, 05:23 PM
That definitely stinks! Amazing how creative some of these losers are, almost as good as some of the rip off artists in this country.
My guidelines are to never sell to overseas. If I need the money that badly to go through all that hassle, I will take out a loan if I need some cash that bad.
Stick with selling CONUS. Easier and has enough risks as it is!
PS: I love the e-mails requesting you help some African national secure a deposit into your account! Hi hi.
N4SMB
01-27-2003, 08:59 PM
Hello Paul/W8JN:
Thanks for the information. That's one scam I have not previously heard of. And since I'm on a selling spree right now, I might very well have bumbled into this scam.
I appreciate the warning.
73, steve/kf4qvv
N5OZQ
01-27-2003, 10:54 PM
There are quite a number of instances lately where people have been trying (with some success) to extract goods and funds from people using forged financial 'instruments'. There has also been some evidence of an increase in the outright forgery of legimate currencies by offshore entities as of late.
That having been said, it absolutely boggles my mind why anyone would want to enter into any agreement involving anything but good ol' cash, goods, or certificates for funds that are drawn on a known US institution. The idea of involving a third party of unknown character in a deal with another 'stranger' makes it even harder for me to comprehend.
Seeme to me the old axiom of sticking with what we know applies here as it does in many places.
73'
Tom #N5OZQ
KD5SCG
01-28-2003, 04:38 AM
In all my deals I don't ship the goods until I have the money from the cashed check in hand, no buts about it. If I am sending someone money, I never send it to a foreign adress and I always use a postal money order, which provides you with some protection.
wa2rqy
01-31-2003, 03:42 AM
You'd have to be a real Moron to believe that scam http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
Thats been around for years along with the Help($http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif needed in Zambia or something like that http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I get one or two a day!
There are enough scams going on right here in the USA http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
They want your CARs, EyEglasses, old light bulbs, used fireworks & HAM GEAR!
They go nowhere to help no-one.
You wud have had to be "had" to realize that "they are among us".
Real easy insurance is:
1-Sell nothing except with a M/O up front, postal M/O is no better than anything else, ask me how I know?
2-Donate NOTHING, sell it your self, Take the Money & help someone in need by ByPassing all groups!
3- Not nice to say, but trust no one these days as crooks abound!
Gotta watch everything these days.
73......Rich
Look who talking scam, Rich. Do you remember K6OLE??? Do you remember Norm Wilmot?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif The amp you sold him? The fully operational AMP with nothing wrong with it? The old so perfect AMP in so oh perfact shape? #Look who is calling the kettle black, Rich. Scam artist indeed. Anybody that wants t hear this one, contact Norm. His email is good in QRZ. He'll be glad to give you the whole story with all copies of bills and emails.
Cheers to you Mr. SCAM artist. In case anyone is interested. I am referring to WA2RQY, Rich in New York or also HVZAP.
N4SMB
01-31-2003, 06:27 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (hvzap @ Jan. 30 2003,20:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">...Not nice to say, but trust no one these days as crooks abound!
Gotta watch everything these days.
73......Rich[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I beg to differ with you. You are dead wrong to paint everyone with the same brush.
It must be pretty sad to be so cynical. Not everyone is dishonest. I'm not dishonest. I have sold equipment to several Hams via the QRZ website. I have always tried to give my buyers much more than their money's worth.
While it is true that some do not deserve trust, there are MANY who are worthy of trust. I think most reasonable people will agree.
steve/kf4qvv
K6OLE
02-01-2003, 04:29 PM
I thought it was interesting that Rich (WA2RQY, RLUCCI 2098@ aol.com, hvzap or anything else he goes by) would have the brass testicles to write about "SCAMS" on the swap net.
I bought a IC-2KL from him in September and had a very bad experience. In my opinion the amp did not work when I received it as all I did was plug it into my IC751A with the cable he provided. I also used the IC AT-500 tuner. The light was burned out and protection light came on when I checked it out on 20 meters. All other bands worked perfectly. I immediately E-mailed him and asked for my money back or allow me to send it to Icom for repair. He refused to refund my money nor would he give me permission to send it for repair. What choice did I have? I sent it in. When the bill came I discounted it some as I had them check the 10 meter mod I had a friend install. They re-built the twenty meter section. I sent him the bill and he sent me a E-mail going on for a page or so as to why he was not responsible. He didn't like my "TONE".
I have copies of all E-mails concerning the entire transaction. If you would like a copy let me know at k6ole@earthlink.net You can make up your own mind as to who is scamming who.
My son, the attorney (really is), says I could take him to court and probably win, but the cost would be more than it is worth. So about the only thing I can do is to warn others, provide information, and let folks make up their own mind.
73's Norm K6OLE
moonunit
03-14-2003, 11:32 PM
i posted some radios for sale and had someone named "Mark Perry" e-mail me to say he was interested. my asking price was $300.00 US. he wants to send me 300 for the radios, 300 for "cleaning them up" for his broker overseas and 3000 [yes 3k] for a total of $3600. i'm then supposed to forword the 3k to his shipper. thunk, thunk, thunk, WELL HELLO, McFly!!!, mama did'nt raise no 'stunod. at the very least it sounds like a money laundering scam. think i'll just put the old war wagon gently into 4-low reverse and gun it dudes!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif n2rca
KF6NFW
03-15-2003, 12:04 AM
Well it sounds like I got lucky or you all got screwed, I just sold a radio to a gentleman in Italy. He sent the funds Western Union, and I sent him the radio the day I recieved the funds. I sold him a Drake UV-3 with extras for $400.00 plus insurance, plus shipping. He spent just over $600.00 American funds. Pleasant experiance.
For those amongst the ranks who scam I know a few of them also I just dont think it good practice to bash on the net, without an invite into the matter of the person.
73's
Chris Robinson
KC7CJS
03-15-2003, 02:03 AM
This scam is known as the 419-Nigerian money laundering
fraud, that has been going on for a long time. Many
have fallen for these **** and have lost many $.
Read about the latest on this:
# # # # # # http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/news2002.htm
If this URL doesn't "click", copy/paste it, etc.
I have sent all these e-mails that I have received
to the US Secret Service, as requested.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w8jn @ Jan. 27 2003,09:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">you will receive #a request to buy your rig from overseas.. #the person will indicate that "a client" in the usa owes the buyer a large sum of money.. to "make things easy" the "client" will send you the large "cashiers check" you will ship the rig or "the client will "pick it up" and you "western union the "overpayment" overseas, and since the "client " sent you a "cashiers check" you are safe.. #the "client" never shows up for the rig, and the "cashiers check" is a forgery.. #you are out the "balance you sent"[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Paul, do you fall for ALL the scams? This one is as old as they come!
But please, let's not do stupid things because we're stupid enough to fall for scams.
Don't decline to do international business. Other hams are our brethren, after all.
I had someone approach me with this scam. Keeping the money simple, he said he'd send $100 for the rig, $100 for shipping, and $1800 for his freight forwarder, for a total of $2000. I was to forward $1800 to his freight forwarder. I told him the relationship with the freight forwarder was his matter. He could send me the money for the rig and shipping to the FF, but he had to arrange with the FF himself, paying them directly, and then send me the account number. Also, I said if he insisted on using the freight forwarder, he had to send me a PAPER MAIL letter authorizing me to ship the rig to the forwarder, instead of directly to the address shown on QRZ. He said that would not work, the freight forwarder would not "open a bill" until there was hardware to forward. I said OK, I'll do it your way, but I won't ship until your funds have cleared. He said no, I need the rig too soon. I said too bad, international deals are always slow. No surprise, he backed out of the deal.
Via my eBay stuff, I've sold about 50 items to hams in foreign countries. I always welcome the bids and am always willing to help them get on the air - it is hard for them to get gear sometimes, we US hams are very spoiled. I'm also very fortunate that because of the business I am in, I've been able to save them some money on shipping, by sending equipment with colleagues who were travelling abroad. That means I get to mess with all the customs, but the foreign hams have been happy to pay me $10 for doing the customs paperwork, and then only $5 or so for shipping from one point inside their country to another, instead of $50 to $100 for overseas shipping.
mb
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (n8zux @ Mar. 15 2003,19:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #reference to the 419 scam is the US Seceret Service web site thats in regards to a e-mail by the tune of 30 Grand their site is.. Seceret Service Financial Crimes Division (http://www.treas.gov/usss/financial_crimes.shtml)
scroll down a ways it's there, I had one at my old e-mail address, and dumped the server no names revealed, also reported to US Sec. Serv. at least they will have info. fwd. to Attorney General if he needs it for a case.
Well there are back to what is suppouesed to be posted here there are always a dishonest internet user, a person who gets probably away for taking a radio, I have had a personal experience years ago. learned a lesson. #NEVER TRUST ANYONE !!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
In God we trust all others cash![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Could you explain your second and third paragraphs? I don't understand them.
XV2PS
05-25-2003, 04:04 AM
Well, Ham is Ham, money is money.
When it comes to money deals without any reference on the dealers, everybody will be right to be carefull even suspicious.
It is up to you to fix the deal. Money secured on your account or cash in hands first, send goods after. If the other guy does not accept or tries another way, leave him. But if you accept, you might be wrong and then do not come to whine and snivel as it will show how stupid you were.
Today, people are still free to release their own money when they want (or have).
Last point, before to accuse all scams, be sure you know very well the system. So often I hear "scam" accusations just by ridiculous ignorance. That is not acceptable.
73
Pierre
XV2PS
05-25-2003, 04:12 AM
The "you" in my above post is of course not specific to anybody.... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I think anyone dumb enuff to fall for these obvious scams deserves what they get (or don't get). Barnum had it right. TOM K8ERV
WB7ESV
10-12-2003, 03:28 PM
Here are a couple of flakes to watch out for. If it wasn't for a Ham friend I probably would have fallen into the trap. I send gear to missionaries overseas for their use and when I received 2 e-mail responses to ads I placed, and from the way they worded the messages, I figured they were missionaries or associated with same. NOT. After my ham friend told me about the scams I asked them for their call letters and they just disapeared back under the rock they crawled out from. The flakes are: Deji Dacosta from Nigeria (italofor@yahoo.com) and Realmustangs from Holland (realmustangs@yahoo.de). If I had no feelings, I would take out a "hit" on them. Maybe if these "Dorks" are exposed it will discourage them from doing this. It's like the "Amber Alert" system, the more who know, will lookout for those who don't or can't.
God bless America and God bless our troops.
73's,
Dave WB7ESV
Hey guys, quit bashing Nigeria. I have made a lot of money off these guys. They said my check was in the mail-----
TOM K8ERV
w5zzq
10-12-2003, 03:51 PM
The first thing I do is ask questions and if they don't like all the questions - just don't deal with them. I to have gotten the foreign requests. All I do is delete them- don't fool with them at all. Just CONUS. You'll be a whole lot better off and happier in the end. Use your head - it's your equipment.
K7LSB
10-12-2003, 04:15 PM
There is a great website that addresses itself to the Nigerian scams with updates, info on the many, many different forms of Nigerian scams, and some very funny ways to mess with their minds. Go to http://www.scamorama.com/ and check it out.
73 de Rich K7LSB
w5zzq
12-05-2003, 06:05 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K8ERV @ May 25 2003,03:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think anyone dumb enuff to fall for these obvious scams deserves what they get (or don't get). Barnum had it right. # TOM K8ERV[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
You're exactly right Tom. Some people will believe anything.......... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
Tell 'em you will cash the cashiers check and wait 14 days to make sure it clears, THEN their agent can come by and you give him a POST dated check that you can cancel if things go wrong.. And ask them why they trust you to keep "all that extra money" since you don't even know them.. Ask a LOT of questions and put YOUR stipulations on how the transaction will go down. They will just fade away... Just wonder how many guys "bite" on this one? MM http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
w5zzq
12-11-2003, 11:01 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (medicineman @ Dec. 11 2003,15:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Tell 'em you will cash the cashiers check and wait 14 days to make sure it clears, THEN their agent can come by and you give him a POST dated check that you can cancel if things go wrong.. And ask them why they trust you to keep "all that extra money" since you don't even know them.. Ask a LOT of questions and put YOUR stipulations on how the transaction will go down. They will just fade away... Just wonder how many guys "bite" on this one? #MM http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
That is a great idea. You won't hear another word from them..........Larry.
XV2PS
12-12-2003, 05:01 AM
Here is my reply to one email i received 2 days ago from a Nigerian scam (proposed transfer me 9,6 M US...):
Dear Musa Engineer,
I understand that your situation is very difficult with so few honestly
earned money. I would suggest you to to convert it into gold and DHL it
directly to me (you can also attach it by email). In case of I cannot return
it to you, I promise to use the funds to educate more the people that really
need it. Maybe I meet you there.
All the best Musa, I pray for you.
Chi Pheo
==================
Here is his reply:
My dear friend and brother,
Thanks for your quick response to my email but It don't understand your
your mail. Please let me know if you are ready to assist me or not..
Musa
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I mean these people are also so idiot brainless. Those to get in their system shows they are quite dumb.
I don't fall for the scams, but have had very good luck selling a few items to Europe. Sold two clearly defective Icoms to Krasi, he knew exactly what he was getting, but said he could fix them. By some miracle, when they arrived, they worked perfectly. He voluntarily sent EXTRA money, not requested or required. How can you beat that! Have sold a few other items with very good results. Maybe I have just been lucky.
TOM K8ERV
5n0wha
12-12-2003, 03:57 PM
It is all Good to expose potential harzards while trading in general, but I think a bit of tact has to be applied to each case individualy.
I live in Nigeria and currently looking for a coax switch which might eventually turn up to be somewhere in the states. If people are afraid to deal with countries overseas, what does become of people like us that are serious in purchasing the items involved ?
Before saying "Don't sell overseas" we have to take into consideration all the other cases that are legit.
5n0wha
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (5n0wha @ Dec. 12 2003,08:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It is all Good to expose potential harzards while trading in general, but I think a bit of tact has to be applied to each case individualy.
I live in Nigeria and currently looking for a coax switch which might eventually turn up to be somewhere in the states. If people are afraid to deal with countries overseas, what does become of people like us that are serious in purchasing the items involved ?
Before saying "Don't sell overseas" we have to take into consideration all the other cases that are legit.
5n0wha[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
What you say is true, but to reiterate a point. Most of the scams of this nature are originating from 5N land and as a result, anything that now comes from there is suspect. WHat I would recommend is the amateur population and others get with the government officials to crack down on this scam practice. It gives everyone a tainted image to the rest of the world.
It is unfortunate, but a reality. You might consider having a stateside friend obtain the items/equipment for you and then they can ship it to you. Develop a "go between" if you are having problems obtaining equipment.
GL
I agree, Nigeria needs to clean up it's act.
TOM K8ERV