Professional Amateurs?

[W5HTW]

Is That an Oxymoron? Professional amateurs. Or is it amateur professionals?

Elsewhere on this forum, an article suggests the FCC allow encryption to be practiced by amateur radio operators. The purpose of encryption is to hide something, and we hams have nothing to hide. We are a hobby. That's all that needs to be said on that subject.

Of course, I am very aware of the word "Service" in our name, which many hams feel obligates us to provide a "service" to the public. We do have that capability, yet it is obvious it is not a requirement, since the vast majority of hams do not do so. If it were a requirement, by nature of the fact we are the Amateur Radio Service, then it would also be a requirement of the Citizens' Radio Service (CB) as well as Family Radio Service, the General Mobile Radio Service, and even the Wireless Telecom Service. Also we would probably have to keep accurate logs of our service to the public, in order to have and renew our ham licenses, to justify our existence and our right to participate in this hobby.

That is not the case. You are not even obligated to use your cellular phone to seek assistance in an emergency, such as passing an accident on the highway. We in amateur radio are first and foremost a hobby, and our numbers prove that beyond a doubt.

However, this is not the end of the story. In the February, 2003, QST magazine, though, NE2Q asks the question, "Are We Really Amateurs?" This Op-Ed piece suggests we lose the word ‘amateur' as it connotes a negative opinion among the general public. He suggest, paraphrased here, that the public does not want to see "Amateur Doctor," or "Amateur Police Officer" at the scene of their emergency, and likewise do not wish to see the term "Amateur Radio Operator" in relation to someone who is handling the communications for the emergency. Presumably, he would suggest we adopt the word and the manner, "professional."

He further suggests we have a nationally-standardized uniform, with letters on the windbreaker or jacket, similar to the ones used by the ATF, FBI, DEA, etc. His feeling is if we present a more professional image and drop the use of the word "amateur," we will be more recognizable in the eyes of the public and the media as knowing our jobs and being critical to performing them.

This stems from the "Gimme a badge and some authority" school of amateur radio that is permeating the hobby, and is another sign of the fact some of us vastly overrate our skills as well as our importance. No, "vastly" doesn't even begin to cover it! The very idea of a jacket with the letters "FECA" (Federal Emergency Communications Agency?) on the back conveys that we are professionals. But we aren't! They give the public the impression, "Here is an authority figure." This is so far out of line with the hobby of amateur radio it is simply unfathomable.

It is true a few of us are doctors, paramedics, police or fire officers, lawyers, and even pilots. The vast majority of hams, though, ARE amateurs, by every possible definition of the word. NE2Q asks, "Is it because we aren't paid for our services?" Of course not! It is because we do not have, nor do we seek to acquire, professional level skills. We do not do it for a living; we do it for fun. Very, very few of us are qualified professional communicators, and those who are, are so because of their employment or training in other than in ham radio. An amateur radio license does not make us SuperHero, or expert at anything at all. Including radio, or emergency communications. Those who think that isn't true have highly inflated views of the hobby and its operators, most of whom are at the plug it in and go on the air level of skill.

But maybe, as I study the plan, it COULD work after all! Let's suppose those of us who wish to participate in coordinated emergency communications, get special training. Then we are issued a uniform and a badge, something that is standard across the nation. We go to a resident school to learn Federal Emergency Communications Administration procedures. We are issued a license that states, "Federal Radio Operator's License." Or, to differentiate from the General Radio Telephone License, we will call it the "Federal Emergency Radio Operator's License."

It will be in three classes. The entry level, as well as the apprentice, will wear a yellow hard hat at the scene of assistance. His license will be on yellow background, and his badge will state on it, "FECA Officer, Grade III." He will have taken and passed a basic Federal Emergency Radio Operator's course, to allow him to use the FECA procedures. He will wear a uniform that is similar in design to that of the DEA. His rank, which will range from beginner (Private) to Corporal, depending upon his experience, will be displayed on his sleeves in the form of stripes.

The next class will wear a red hard hat, which is the symbol in the construction and industrial field of the Foreman. He will have passed a more advanced test, and will have more stripes on his sleeves. His badge will have a pale red background, with the words, "FECA Officer, Grade II." He will also supervise the yellow hats, and assign duties within an emergency scene.

The top class will wear a white hat. As we all know, the white hard hats are the engineers, architects, construction superintendents, etc. The same applies here. He will wear the same basic uniform, but his rank will displayed in the form of gold or silver bars or oak leaves on his collar and his shoulder pads. His badge will have a silver background, and the words "FECA Officer, Senior Grade." He will have passed very advanced tests, and, in addition to being responsible for communications, he will interface with the heads of other emergency agencies, the FBI, DEA, ATF, and local and regional civil authorities. He will be responsible for disbursement of funds, writing of grants, and communications within a regional area. His rank will range from Second Lieutenant, through First Lieutenant and Captain, to Major. The head of the FECA will be a one-star General, and will be located in Washington, D.C.

All of these emergency radio operators will be issued not only uniforms and badges, but when on duty will be paid for their work. They will be issued radios that are channelized, and that operate on at least 12 channels in the VHF range of 158.000 to 170.000 MHZ, including two channels for repeaters. Repeaters will be encoded and encrypted, and completely inaccessible to radios without the continuous encrypted sub-audible data stream.

Regional FECA centers will have HF capabilities, using up to 1500 watts output on SSB, and encrypted data, on 4.3 to 4.8 MHZ, 6.6 to 6.9 MHZ, 10.2 to 10.7 MHZ, 13.4 to 13.8 MHZ, and 17.2 to 17.8 MHZ. (Yes, we know these ‘authority' guys would love to be able to hop onto the ham bands and order everyone to get off the frequency, but by assigning them their own frequencies, they will not have to deal with the "amateurs" at all.)

All equipment will be type accepted. All maintenance or adjustment of transmitter operations will be by holders of General Radio Telephone Operator's licenses. No Morse code operations will be permitted, even in emergency. All HF voice and data transmissions will be encrypted, and where possible, all VHF communications will be as well.

While the name of these operators will officially be "Federal Emergency Radio Operator," they may be called "Professional Radio Operators," as opposed to "Amateur Radio Operators."

Meantime, a quasi-parallel radio service, called the Amateur Radio Service will continue to perform volunteer duties where applicable, and will be fun for all who join it.

[kd3v]

Just because you, Emmett, have not read 97.1 completely does not mean that others have not. They do take it very seriously.

ANY activity can be done "as a professional" and a large number of hams are very professional in the approach to our "hobby". It need not be more than a hobby to many but it IS more than that. In this case, "amateur" simply means this, we do not earn money doing ham radio. There are many "Professional" amateur radio operators out there! It is an attitude and the quality with which they take while being a ham.

Amateur radio is certainly more than you think it is. Perhaps the other radio 'services' have the word service in their name as well but they do not have those listed below which defines much more than a hobby!

FCC regulation: # # # # # #{emphasis added}
97.1 Basis and purpose.
The rules and regulations in this Part are designed to
provide an amateur radio service having a fundamental
purpose as expressed in the following principles:
(a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with respect to providing emergency communications.
(b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven
ability to contribute to the advancement of the radio art.
© Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules which provide for advancing skills in both the communications and technical phases of the art.
(d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts.
(e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique
ability to enhance international goodwill.

Show me ANY other 'hobby' with a purpose even close to that!

So, Emmett, you are free to treat it as lightly as you wish but it is a false idea and a dis-service to think that amateur radio is just a hobby!

KD3V

[Debater]

Dear Ed

I think you have way too much time on your hands. I think you just wanted to post something on QRZ.

We all know we are not professionals and never will be.
Amateur radio is a hobby but also has a purpose. You should spend a little less time dreaming up controversial crap like this and more time elmering new hams.

D

[K2WH]

I don't know if your posting is for laughs or your serious. #I agree the words "Amateur" and "Ham" operator should be changed to something else. #I have even been laughed at when I stated my extensive lineup of radio equipment was for the "Amateur Radio Service". #"Yeah, your a real amateur alright". #Childish behaviour to say the least but, the word does not encourage respect from the uninformed or misinformed people.

The reason we are called "Amateurs" comes from way back in the early days of radio when you had so called paid professionals (Licensed Broadcast Band DJ's) and then there was guys like us, doing it on our own without pay using our own homebrewed equipment. #Real "Amateurs". #

"Amateur" in todays world is seen as meaning just #that "A person inexperienced or unskilled in a particular activity".

However, I disagree with your inability to see professionalism in the amateur ranks. #I stongly believe a great many of hams approach this "Service" with pride and distinguish themselves while on or off the air with their professional demeanor and technical savy.

You may feel like an "Amateur", but after 33 years, I think I can be called a "Professional Communicator". #Thank you very much.

K2WH

Dudes...

Read the last line of the parent post:

"Meantime, a quasi-parallel radio service, called the Amateur Radio Service will continue to perform volunteer duties where applicable, and will be fun for all who join it. "

He is being sarcastic, and attempting to make a point. #The message is received.

As an aside, there ARE professional amateurs. #They are also called, "Green Stamp Collectors" in DX circles. They are indeed annoying. #But, that is a different deal entirely.

Peter Baskind, J.D., LL.M.
AG4KI

[W5HTW]

I'm glad at least somone read the last line!

However, I'd like to add this:

OXFORD AMERICAN DICTIONARY:

Professional, adj. 1. Of or belonging to a profession or its members. 2. Having or showing the skill of a professional. 3. Doing a certain kind of work as a full-time occupation or to make a living or (of sports, contrasted with amateur) for payment. Professional, n. 1. A person working or performing for payment. 2. Someone highly skilled.


Which ones fit the amateur radio operator?

It could be said number 2, in both the adjective and the noun category, may fit a tiny percentage of amateurs. The vast majority of hams are not in the radio field for their living. They are hams by hobby only, and work in hundreds of different professional occupations. A few MAY demonstrate some professional level of expertise in this hobby, but almost none could make a living at it. Most of us have a rudimentary knowledge of electronics, and with a dab of knowledge in radio. Certainly there are exceptions. But the holding of a ham license does not qualify one to have a uniform and represent himself/herself as an authority figure in the eyes of the public. That is my point, folks!

I do not have permission to reprint the QST OP-Ed article here, or I would have done so.

Also I do not agree we should rename ourselves something other than "amateur." My guess would be 95 percent or better of us ARE amateurs. Working DX is not a profession.

Ah, but darn it, yes it was facetious. None of what I mentioned is about to come true, nor should it. Enjoy!


Ed

[kd5scg]

I can't find the article, what page is it on?

[KD5KUF]

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You are confusing some of us with those big ten dollar words. What's dumb cows got to do with it anyway? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[ve7ibj]

I'm an auxiliary member of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, President of the Mission ARES group and communications director of Mission Search and Rescue. #I treat each duty like my regular, paid, "professional" job (Special Events announcer). #Around here, we're not called volunteers but Unpaid Professionals. #When I'm out working my police duties I'm treated by both the public and regular members as a police constable. #Not some ride-along or a wanna-be. #When the sar team is out on event, even though the police is always the Incident Commander, we're treated as the professionals. #We're the ones that have the technical training to do the job. #Same when we're called out to do communications work. #Other agencies, whether it's police, fire, ehs, ess or what, they don't tell us how to do our jobs. #They know we train and practice and try to look professional, including wearing a uniform while on event. #

Amateurs? #Perhaps. #
Professionals? #Indeed.

Roy VE7IBJ
Mission, B.C.
Canada

[kc0hfl]

Yes it is a hobby and some do use it to support the local government with weather spotting and emergency traffic but do not loose sight we are still ham radio operators not paid professionals. And for the most part hams that think they should be recognized for the extra effort of providing community service are veiwed as whyners just looking for a pat on the back. Continue to enjoy the hobby for whatever you make of it but remember there is no reward for a hobby and yes I misspeled a few words but I am a amateur !!

[N0PU]

I like to be professional in all the things I do...

When I fix a pipe in the house I do a professional job of it because I learned some plumbing...

When I pour and finish a concrete walk I do a professional job of is from digging it out and putting in the gravel to brushing and finishing....

But the most professional thing a person can do is to admit their own limitations. If you don't know how to fix a radio... leave it alone... there is no shame in not knowing and admiting it... there is a LOT of shame if screwing something up you should have left alone.

In Ham Radio I try to be the best operator and technician I can. I learn something about something every day.

We can be professional, skilled Amateur Radio Operators and bring to our communities a valuable service. We CAN be Professional Amateurs... It is a state of mind.

[WA9SVD]

Oh BOTHER! (To quote Winnie the Pooh.) We ARE AMATEUR Radio Operators because by definition we function on a volunteer basis without any monetary compensation.
That said, it does NOT mean we can't or SHOULDN'T operate in a professional MANNER when exposed to, or dealing with, the public, whether through our activities on the air, which can be heard by the public, or any activity where we have interaction with the public. Sure, as Amateurs we could act like the BAD (not all) CB operators, and be obnoxious. But we should strive to be better than the lowest common denominator. By "Professional" I take it to mean keeping with the highest ideals of the Radio Tradition: The Amateur Code, including respect for others, etc. (Remember, "Professional" or broadcast operators have an assigned specific frequency that is their's alone (more or less...) They generally don't have to worry about much QRM. We have to put up with many stations on or near a single frequency, so all the more need for "Professional-like " operation.

[kf4glg]

Waaah Waahh Wah! Jeesh, now there are people who even want to change the NAME of the amateur radio service. For Christ sake, where does it all end? The original posting I found to be very "tongue in cheek" and rather humerous. For those who REALLY think that to be called an AMATEUR radio operator is somehow denigrating.....GET A LIFE! # #best wishes to all! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[kd6dxa]

I usually don't enter into the forum discussions, since they often seem to be rather argumentative; but in this case I feel the discussion has gone awry. In this case, I believe everyone has been working with an incorrect notion of the word "amateur." The word "amateur" comes from the latin verb "amare," which means "to love." The past participle form of this verb is "amatum" and it is from this word that our word "amateur" derives. In other words, an amateur is not one who does not get paid for an activity, but rather one who loves the activity. In this sense, are we not all amateurs? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[kd6dxa]

I usually don't enter into the forum discussions, since they often seem to be rather argumentative; but in this case I feel the discussion has gone awry. In this case, I believe everyone has been working with an incorrect notion of the word "amateur." The word "amateur" comes from the latin verb "amare," which means "to love." The past participle form of this verb is "amatum" and it is from this word that our word "amateur" derives. In other words, an amateur is not one who does not get paid for an activity, but rather one who loves the activity. In this sense, are we not all amateurs? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[N6HBJ]

I don't believe "amateur" has a negative connotation as far as the general public is concerned.

Take amateur athletes as an example. To be a national champion or an Olympian in any amateur sport requires a tremendous amount of dedication and work and commands much respect from the public.

I realize HAM isn't a sport but the point is that being an "amateur" doesn't mean being unprofessional. It simply means you aren't being $PAID to do what you do.

And I don't see the average Joe looking down on the term "amateur" it if it comes up in ANY field..

[ka1eze]

At least let's not call it "Federal Emergency Communications Agency League"

[N0PU]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ka1eze @ Jan. 15 2003,22:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">At least let's not call it "Federal Emergency Communications Agency League"[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
LMAO

Good Lord, don't give 'em any ideas !!!

[aa6mh]

Let me second the post by Roy VE7IBJ.

Our State Office of Emergency Services (CA) takes "amateur" radio very seriously, simply because they know that most amateurs who are interested in public service either have already developed the habits and skills necessary for public safety communications, or can easily pick them up.

Do we often use amateur frequencies in our State work? #Almost never. Can anyone tell that we're "amateurs" from our work on public safety radio? Not a chance.

Like Roy said, we're not distinguished in any way from our paid colleagues in OES - not by different uniforms, not by different ID cards, not by different badges. #The only way we're distinguished is by our lack of a pay stub.

And, believe me, they know that they depend on us as unpaid professional staff. #(The word "volunteer" is semi-officially forbidden, since too many paid public safety professionals regard a "volunteer" as being worth what they're paid - but if they had to pay us, they couldn't afford us.) Honestly, if OES's Auxiliary Communications Service (ACS) didn't exist, they would have NO field response capability. #None. #And in a state in the top 5 "major disaster" states, that's significant.

The opposite of "professional" is NOT "amateur" - it's "unprofessional." #And that condition is nothing to brag about.

[K5MAR]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W5HTW @ Jan. 15 2003,17:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm glad at least somone read the last line! #

(snip)

Working DX is not a profession. #

Ah, but darn it, yes it was facetious. #None of what I mentioned is about to come true, nor should it. #Enjoy!


Ed[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Boy, Ed, you've stirred it up with a big stick this time!! #I thought the Op-Ed piece was a little over the top, but, hey, everybody's entitled to their own opinion! #BTW, what kind of uniform does the DEA wear, other than the black jumpsuit/body armor? #As a former professional communicator (police/911 dispatcher) who's now an "amateur" communicator, what catagory do I fit into? #And what do you mean, working DX is not a profession?

Mark K5MAR

[K6UEY]

Personally I like KA1EZE's definition it puts the whole topic in summary form:
Federal Emergency Communications Agency League with
bright International Orange jackets with the name across the back in big letters # # # #F # E # C # A # L # #and see if that matters......

ENJOY!!! It's later than you think ..... # 73, # ORV

[w6th]

Amateur and/or Ham radio is very pleasing to my ears. And has been for many years. Why do so many want to lower Amateur radio to the extent of being called a Hobby and class it with the Citizens Band operators, where this word Hobby first started.

# # Next most will be calling Amateur Radio a Certificate Hunters Club.

# # Let us all start acting as though we are grown men and women and cut out this baby talk that we are hearing so much on shortwave bands of today and on this thread.

# # Amateur Radio is Amateur Radio and hope I will never see the day it is of something else.

# # Call it a Hobby and so be it, as a man believes, so be it.
# # As a man believes, so he is.
# # Take care and continue to enjoy your Amateur Radio.

# # # # # # # # # # # W6th

Get a LIFE man!!
Ham radio is only a HOBBY just like model planes, tranes, and fishing....

Admittedly you have a good oportunity to assist others in many ways with our Ham Radio hobby and this should be done but we must keep in perspective that we do it for enjoyment. For some of us it seems to be a method to stroke our own SUPER INFLATED EGO's !!

73's de GARY - W5GNB
AMATEUR RADIO OPERATOR

[w6th]

Hey Gary, i guess this is your hobby also: "Quote, I work as an electronics engineer and operate several broadcast stations in the area of Roswell, New Mexico, Unquote" #Is this your super inflated ego?

# # So a man believes, so he is Gary.

[WA9SVD]

I see nothing derogatory with the term AMATEUR Radio Operator. Webster's Dictionary defines "amateur" as: " one who cultivates a particular study or art for the love of it; and not for professional gain."

[k4iii]

"HAM RADIO" then.

Question: Are those who call themselves communications experts/specialists able to speak 12+ languages, communicate with animals, and never argue with their significant others or families? There. Said it.

Anyways, how bout Experimental Communications. We can't forget about computers now-a-days! Experimentation is really what we seem to do well...

[kd7pxm]

Hmm. Not too bad. I think it should be it's own League. Then all members could wear the FECA League Emblem. Yes. FECAL. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I really cannot think of any role, organization, title, or adjective in general that is not in some way viewed derogatorily. I also know all of those roles can be viewed with respect and appreciation. For myself, I'll admit readily to being an amateur, even a rank amateur with my radio. I botch things, I forget how to handle my radio. But I think what matters most is what I do with the meager skills I have when situations merit. Do I get in there, try my best, give the support that I can, decline to attempt that which I cannot, and know the difference. Go ahead with FECA I suppose. After all, I am active in the local ARES group and quite serious in my effort, however meager it is. But I am, and will remain an Amateur Radio operator. I don't want to mix up what I do with my radio interests with how I get my income, prestige, social rank, or anything else. 73s to all, KD7PXM Ken

[KD7KOY]

I'm kind of "bummed out" about arguments like this.
# #I'm not a "professional". I'm not even good at electronics. I'm not a whiz kid in math either. I do it for fun.
# #Don't get me wrong, I think learning is a good thing.
# But when I hear some of the arguments about the "service", it's like some are "wanting" something to happen. It gives me the creeps actually. I hope none of us are ever needed.
And I do think the original post was making a satire of this argument.

# # #Have fun no matter what you do.
# # #Lifes too short not too...

[n0srq]

I'm proud to be part of this hobby. #I don't believe there is any reason on earth to consider changing what it is called. #I'm sure the original post by Ed was a tongue and cheek look at the stuff printed in QST. #I have always found his comments on various threads to be realistic and non-offensive. #He likes to state things as he sees them, and who would expect anything less. I certainly don't always agree with him but I haven't been in the hobby as long as he has so I guess I have a different perspective. #I agree there are some big egos expressed here as well as on the air but I strive not to be one of them. #After all, who wants W6TH on your tail. #He seems pretty good at knocking people down a notch or two. Time to go promote more "Good Will" ##73 #ray

[w6th]

Hey Ray,
# # You are just like me. Knocking me down a peg or two.

We could really do a good job on most, couldn't we, if we both work together.

[KA8FFM]

WOW guys, the day I have to wear a FECAL jacket is the same day the devil sports a snowsuit. Get real and stop taking yourselves so seriously. United we stand, divided we fall. Go get your hands dirty and help a young ham, or wow whee maybe even make a dx contact. Want to talk with the 911 dispatcher, join the fire dept. I am quickly losing all respect for this community, but luckily I work two jobs and am usually too tired to care about all of this crap.

[N2WSO]

I agree that the term "amateur" today has a negative conotation and, quite frankly, I never really liked it. Maybe we should just go with the term "Ham Radio Operators". Practically everyone knows what a Ham is so the public is already up to speed on this one. Yes, it's true that calling someone a ham was once not considered a compliment, especially if you were an actor, but today I don't think that really applies any more. Unless anyone has a better suggestion, my vote goes for "Ham Radio Operator"!

73, Bob

[W7EG]

I wise person once said the following:
The Arc was created by an inspired Amateur, The Titanic was built by Professionals.

[KH2D]

> "Amateur" in todays world is seen as meaning just
> #that "A person inexperienced or unskilled in a
> particular activity".

I think that pretty much describes about 99% of the
hams that I've met since I got licensed 28+ years ago.

Probably a better logo for the jacket would be "FJW".
Freaks, Jerks, and Wierdos.....

73, Jim KH2D
Facts & Fiction About Ham Radio Operators (http://kh2d.net/opinions/article.cfm?id=6&ref=qrz)

Great comments! As I am now officing at home in my ham radio shack, I listen to the HF and VHF bands a lot more than I ever have in my 44 years or so in the hobby. I have been a professional communicator, pilot and aircraft instuctor and instrument instructor. I have to say the emphasis on the activity I hear on the bands today is certainly amateur. It does not approach professional, nor should it. Newer hams are learning non professional habits from somewhere, older hams are acting though the air waves are their personal "telephone" to interphere, swear, use vulgar language, and do almost anything that comes from "amateur" operators as opposed to those that take the hobby seriously. The last thing we need is another reason to appoint self righteous "cops" as our emergency communicators. We need people that sincerely want to help in times of emergency, for the help, not the imagined personal gain or recognition.

Thanks for the thoughts.
W0LTL http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[n0srq]

"The last thing we need is another reason to appoint self righteous "cops" as our emergency communicators. #We need people that sincerely want to help in times of emergency, for the help, not the imagined personal gain or recognition"


I believe this is a reasonable statement. Also, I don't know why some are so worried about being called "Amateurs". Maybe it has something to do with who you are, or what you do in your real life. #Is it hard when you are in the spotlight all day to be the average "Joe" when the lights go out? # #I hope not.

W6TH, #I wasn't trying to zing you, but if I got one in there, so be it. #I'm waving the white flag now. #73 ray

[K3XR]

well this topic is a great way to discourage AMATEUR RADIO OPERATORS from getting involved in emergency communications as they ponder "are these guys for real".

yes, in exchange for being able to use the public airwaves we should offer our services in the event of an emergency. #this does not require a badge, jacket, or any other sign of authority.....it does require some common sense and a desire to help...when was the last time in an emergency that hams were told, go home, we can't use your service, you need a badge and a jacket etc. first..

yes, in over 43 years i have spent days away from home providing emergency communications (forest fires) and would be gald to respond again, in the meantime this is a great HOBBY and PASTIME, nothing more, chill out and enjoy it.
dan,k3xr
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Well, as for the uniform, I say no way. #That's a good way to really get the "nerd" and "wannabe" comments flowing.

Any "uniforms" should be event-specific, such as "parade volunteer" or "air show security" #because we are really not set that far apart from any other volunteer for an event.

If you want a badge or uniform, become a police officer or join the military. #We are not the "(your state here) Militia." #Now those guys are a "gimme a badge and some authority" type group.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">yes, in over 43 years i have spent days away from home providing emergency communications (forest fires) and would be gald to respond again, in the meantime this is a great HOBBY and PASTIME, nothing more, chill out and enjoy it.
dan,k3xr
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Yes, I agree, and you did that admirable thing as a VOLUNTEER who just happened to have access to a communications system and the proficiency to use it. That's no more special than any other volunteer making the same sacrifices.

[k4wde]

I guess I can figure out W5HTW's feelings about
professionals by his fictious letters FECA......
FECAL? # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[kb9num]

This thread (and others) discuss the cop wannabees, and others that are self important when volunteering in emergency communication. I hear enough about that to believe that it happens, but I have to take your word for it. I am up to my ears in Emcomm and I haven't experienced it yet. But then I also have little experience with many of the problems others face. I think we are pretty lucky here in Wisconsin to have so many dedicated, motivated, nice hams.

As for FECAL, it sounds like a lot of crap to me.

[KB8EFD]

Every time there's been a legitimate emergency in this part of the world, de facto semi-organizations of helpful and versatile radio operators have appeared - almost instantly - then dissolved after the emergency was over. Piling yet another organization on top of Ham radio, the ARRL, ARES or any other organization - is stupid.

If someone wants have a greater position of importance in emergencies, they should join the Civil Air Patrol, the National Guard - auxiliary police - whatever - wear a spiffy uniform if they want - and link up with us 'normal' hams during emergencies. It would be wonderful to have more hams inside these emergency service organizations - any way you want to look at it.

Every time there's been a bona fide emergency, the paid emergency personnel were more than thankful for any assistance - and wearing a 'uniform' would add nothing to our abilities or contributions.

Organization - to accomplish something good - is good. Outside of actually accomplishing something, organization is a waste of life. God knows we have enough organizations which accomplish almost nothing compared to the cost of the organization. Whether the original post was serious or tongue-in-cheek is not an issue to me. Contribution to others is a legitimate issue.

But - for anyone to seriously think that it would be good to organize, certify, and militarize ham radio operators into a quasi-government agency - well - count me out. I have better things to do with my time. Amateur radio is just one part of my life of service to others - not my reason for living. 73s to all - AB8PX - formerly KB8EFD - Jim.

PS: a special thanks to QRZ for proving forum space so we can reason together for the good of the hobby and service.

[n5qxp]

[He will wear the same basic uniform, but his rank will displayed in the form of gold or silver bars or oak leaves on his collar and his shoulder pads. #His badge will have a silver background, and the words "FECA Officer, Senior Grade.]

Shouldn't his car also have flags on the front quarter panels signifying his rank, like Douglas MacArthur? Should he have to wear sunglasses and smoke a corncob pipe? And how about givig him a pair of spurs, maybe a lasso... and a set of pearl handled revolvers? How about a black mask and a fiery steed? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[ac0lt]

LoL! This is funny.

Maybe we can send all the "We are destinated - we will be clear on your final" type professional amateurs to the FECA(L)?

Alain, NI0Z (http://www.ni0z.net).

[n8zux]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #Oh brother, Professional Communicator Cops, has any of you people ever read IS-1 Program Emegrency Manager ?? from FEMA ?? I would & I have It's quite a book, In case you people out there do not realise each Professional Agency they have a sense of pride, I hope someone does not get an idea about carrying a concealed weapon, Michigan has updated their CCW law quite interesting, also least I forget to mention I think some law enforcement officer would think we would be in their way, and for a good reason, I have been involed in ARES / RACES for a few years I turned down running for Sheriff for VALID reason ( I don't want to offend anyone in that feild that has their ham ticket, but I found out I was lucky not to be involed what happened in 1995 a few badges were pulled by the County Commissoners based on fragments of what I heard ) .

I think we are Amateur Radio Service we are Civillians, we should accept what training is provided at No cost By American Red Cross, N.O.A.A., F.E.M.A., to some N.A.S.A.R., some Civil Air Patrol, MARS program, or what may be some out of pocket. I think that we are lucky that these agencies welcome our capabilities and talents, if there is any other agency I left out this is just a breif listing.

Just to be a Kilocycle Cop or Barney Fife is kinda not my taste of being a UNPAID Volunteer, if that is the case I probably would just Retire out of this Profesional Communications Agency and just turn in My cards , of Course I am out of the Loop for now anyway personal reasons, ( I'll be under liberty NOT to disclose ) but I sure Will not look STUPID for such a Absurd idea, sounds like some sort of a #11Meter CB club ( some clown passed out a 4X4 peice of paper at my swap table Read #Club 40 Sucks , #Who cares about Club 40 anyway !! some moron who bought a table with a bunch of Illeagle gear anyway 11M linears, etc.. ) #)... those people Esp. the one I threw my card on the table , Lack of Training, Fault finders, power hungry misfits!!! and Walked out.

This kind of STUPIDITY I'll not want to associate myself as some kind of a Moron, I'll stick to what I get out of this hobby and If I do get back to ARES / RACES it will be when I can without disservice to other members, and some time when I can but for now I am out of the loop for my personal reasons and forget this Professional Crap !!


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N8ZUX
Mark A. Holman

[w5ljm]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif Man Emmett, did you open a can of worms or what?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[n5qxp]

Let's visualize this scenario: A bunch of overweight guys arrive at a minor disaster scene in tight fitting uniforms, looking for free donuts and coffee. Finding none, an alert professional communicator spots a piece of 7/8" heliax in some tangled wreckage. Springing into action, said professional communicator attempts to coil as much coax as he can carry underneath his ribbon festooned and oak leaf/ gold bar encrusted professional communicator jacket.

A piranha like feeding frenzy quickly ensues as other eagle eyed professional communicators hurriedly make off with N-connectors and PL 259's bulging from their pockets.

It's just a hobby people. We need to quit being so self important. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[n5xm]

I am very serious about Amateur Radio, but I don't believe in taking myself too seriously. #If anyone wants to serve, let them do so, but instead of hollering for a title, shut up and do something instead. #It isn't like there aren't plenty of ways any of us could help if we wanted to do so.

I don't even want to estimate or brag about the many hours I've given back to this AVOCATION I love so dearly. I don't need acknowledgement, a medal, a title, any credit. All I want is my rigs, my paddles, some decent propagation, and some privacy. You can't legislate excellence, you can't buy it, rent it, lease it, borrow it, or maybe even describe it. #You gotta earn it, and no title or badge is gonna make some lid a good op. I've become a good op because I loved radio enough to work hard enough, and because I had to pay my dues learning the ropes.

"It's just a hobby people. We need to quit being so self important."

VERY WELL SAID!!!!!
Grow up people!!!!! Does that peice of paper make you so much more special then anyone else??? How often if the "service" part of it used?? Every 2 years when the next road race comes through? Give me a break. This stuff is getting sick of listening to! (on air AND on the net)
If you wanna know why the hobby is supposedly dieing out, take a look at the attitudes abound. Would you want to join a hobby where everyone had their heads up their arses??
CrackeR
N1VHY <--- SEE I ID'D!!!!

[kc0isu]

The only time "amateur" is derogatory is when you let people define it for you. If you speak to people and confidently describe yourself as an "amateur radio operator" for the sake of those never hearing the work "ham", you will be respected. I personally don't care what the major media prints. What I do care, is what my immediate peers see in me.

Since I am an "amateur", I don't expect people to hold my feet to the fire over radio knowledge. I DO expect the FCC and fellow hams to hold my feet to the fire on regulations, because that is in my license which I signed for on the dotted line.

That doesn't mean I don't do my best, nor try to serve with professional zeal. But I know the different between professional responsibilities and amateur ones. I don't have the time to engage in professional responsibilities with radio.

[kf6iiu]

Don't worry if I call CQ at 1500W on top of your encrypted spread spectrum link - as far as I can tell, your signal is RFI from the TV next door....

(Finally, the feds have figured out how to get their comms for free. Give the ARRL some antenna covenant restrictions, they give the feds a professional emergency communications operation at no cost to the taxpayers!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[n8zux]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Naw I just figgured it out How about Joint Military Amateur Professional Communicators / CB / Police Scanner / SWL / Swashbucket Radio Association, oh yeah can we get a C.B. R.E.A.C.T. Card with a Gold Charter Numbers ?? How about C-2001 ? we can operate Orange DOT UHF FRS Ch. 1 CB 27.065 ( CH 9 ) 156.800 Marine Ch. 16 & 9 , 2882 SSB marine, your'e right about the Donuts & Hard Line oh yeah we can watch the Bag people fighting over the Pop cans !!

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oh yeah do we get a Gold certificate to hang on the shack to keep those cold Northern Canadain Artic air from blowin in the cracks http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

man sounds like the old CB days anyone remember Smokey & the Bandit.. movie good ole Jackie Gleasen, Burt Renolds, and Sally Feild . also Dukes of Hazzard General Lee heh heh heh !! ( Disco in the 70's ?? )

ROTFLOL ( Rolling On The Floor Laughing Out Loud )

hadn't had this much fun since http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[yv6azc]

Guess the BEIGN is being mixed up with the DOING, once again.
José

[kb3eaa]

Introducing the element of encryption into any communication will serve to enhance the security of the content, but jeopardize the likelihood of completing the communication. #This makes it very difficult to infuse encryption technology into the ham bands with regard to emergency coms. #Imagine the disorder when during an emergency, several thousand hams begin sending life critical traffic using encryption, while confused public and governmental agencies, all using different protocols continue to be in need of information. #In that, we have just erased the entire agency interoperability benefit that the ham radio community so effectively guards, and that the government recognizes as a good reason for the prolongation of our existence. #Allowing encryption on the ham bands will not serve to further experimentation with such. #In fact, the necessity of a uniform deployment of the system will negate any possibility of individual development or use. #With regards to the comments on terrorism, I say that the introduction of encryption will serve terrorist purposes more than the public good. #This is because as it stands now, unless an operators voice is recognized, the operator’s identity can be easily faked. #We must rely on our senses and judgment for authentication. In an encrypted system, successful authentication can easily replace good sense in even an experienced military operator. #So, once an encrypted technology has been “hacked”, how do you deploy its replacement? #And who will decide when the system has been compromised? #This is way beyond ham radios purpose, and the amount of regulation that would ensue would kill the hobby, and its usefulness as a public tool.

[kb9num]

I think this last post got sent to the wrong thread. It fits the thread a few down on encryption.

[n8zux]

Using Encryption would probably have to follow the ideas that Project 37 interoperability system, let alone I do not see how Transcrypt will sell any boards to a private user anyway, they are very guarded about that, very slim chance they would sell to the Amateur Radio Public or in any service anyway, besides we are looking into DSS Digital Spread Spectrum.

word on the street that 900 Mhz. is the possible DSS band, also a Project 25 two-way radio has not met FCC Certification, I don't know where people get their stuff from maybe Wayne Green or some other source ( 11 Meter Bull Band alot of Liars down there anyway) but I have sources like a Commercial Magazine and read what the Advertiser's web site, and they are only selling to the Military and selected Government Agencies for now and I'll refrain from details.

Well anyway I think the title is Professional Communicators issue and DIGITAL STUFF & ENCRYPTION is suited as a different post . Unless something has changed.

Later
N8ZUX

[AA2QA]

Perhaps licensed experimental radio station would make everyone happy? Then again ... Whilst I agree that the radio cops don't help the image, I can see instances where encryption might make sense. The one instance I forsee is the wideband experimentation that is/will be taking place on 2.4 GHz using IEEE 802.11b protocol using modified unlicensed gear. There are a lot of folks around here that go around looking for a free ride onto the internet by looking for those 2.4 GHz signals. They'd just love a 10 watt repeater with a high gain antenna mounted up 1000 feet on a hill! You think the 27 MHz crowd is getting on 10 meters? Just wait until these amateur ports are opened up .... the MURS crowd is pushing for IRLP on MURS machines, the 27 MHz crowd .. well, you know them ... now a new frequency to attack. I'm not for encryption, but this use might make a lot of sense.

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim

[WA9SVD]

After finally getting my copy of QST, and being able to read the original article, I feel the author is way off base. While we ARE Emergency Communication Operators (some expert, others not) at times, attempting to mandate a "uniform" is a bad idea. If you want that sort of thing, join the Police Auxiliary, Coast Guard, Auxiliary, etc. but leave Amateur Radio out of it. And different areas of the country would no doubt have different standards and operating procedures, but someone with a "uniform" would be thought of as having the same training as others in an area, even if only having recently moved into the area. This would cause even more chaos and confusion! Both among other Emergency Communicators and those in actual authority.

I have no problem with the "Amateur" Radio Operator title. It simply means we are volunteers and do not (and can not!) receive monetary compensation for our activities. (An occasional hot meal, snack, cup of coffee, etc. as appropriate is appreciated, however.)

But trying to portray us as a pseudo, or even quasi- professional group is ill advised. That could give a false impression that we have greater authority than we actually have, and like it or not, the public would demand more of us than they do now, and would probably cast us in a poor light if we were to not be able to comply.

I can see the scenario: "I have to call my business across town and tell them what to do, because I'm stuck here..." "What do you mean you can't let me send that message? You're an Eemergency Communicator, aren't you? It says so on your jacket! This is an emergency!" And so, a person gets a very bad impression of Amateur Radio Operators who pose as "Emergency Communicators."

Let's keep it in perspective. As Amateur Radio Operators, we are not misrepresenting ourselves, and can simply say we can't send such a message "because it's against the rules for our service."

IMHO