Hams Provide Communications as 911 Service Goes Offline in Oregon

[KG4KWW]

This is interesting. However, if folks were unable to make it to a place where communications were setup, what then??

With snow and ice impacting all parts of the Pacific Northwest, local ARES® groups are on the job assisting served agencies, including local Emergency Operations Centers. According to District Emergency Coordinator for Oregon's District One David Kidd, KA7OZO, amateurs in Clatsop County, Oregon providing direct emergency communications support for the 911 system.

"The Clatsop County ARES Unit received a call from the County Emergency Manager on Monday afternoon to help out with 911 service," Kidd said. "The unit is helping out with this, providing 911 services for four villages and hamlets in the southern part of the county. Residents in the area have been told to go to the hams and have them relay their needed service requests to the county EOC." Hams are at fire stations or sheriff's sub-stations in the affected area.

Two ARES personnel, along with the resident deputy, are manning the sheriff's sub-station in Jewell. "They are providing 24 hour radio communication services to the county EOC with regular Net check-ins," Kidd said. "The first two hams on duty were relieved by two other hams early Tuesday morning. This will continue on a daily basis as needed, until the services are restored." On late Tuesday afternoon, Kidd told the ARRL that amateurs had been asked to stand down, as 911 service had been restored.

Full Story (http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2008/12/24/10525/?nc=1)

[N7WR]

Some of the small rural towns effected by these storms are not very large in size. When a local emergency hits it is not unusual for people to "touch base" with each other at the sheriff's office or fire hall when phone service is out. At least they have the ability to get a message to the 9-1-1 Center if needed.

I am often a critic of hams serving public safety (because more and more often such "assistance" is unnecessary and is just "make work") But in this case this is a needed form of assistance and a good use of resources.

[KA5S]

During the Great West Coast power outage of 1996 (http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword07f.htm), we lost the 911 consoles in Irvine. The fire engines deployed to shopping centers, but no one outside the FD had any idea they'd done so, because at that time the PD and FD weren't talking to each other. We ended up (IIRC) with IDEC (Irvine Disaster Emergency Communications) Amateur Radio Club members at each shopping center and each Fire station, talking to other IDEC members at an ad-hoc fire/pd/medic command post running off portable radios.

Added: PS: IDEC was and is sponsored by and trained as volunteer responders by the Irvine PD and I can testify they are very, very thorough. No whackers there! Plus, many of the Reserve Police are Hams.

Cortland
KA5S

[W5HTW]

How true. More and more, as public safety communications systems add redundancy, hams are les and less needed. But they won't admit it.

There are now and then situations in which amateur radio may can be of assistance, and apparently this is one of those occasions. I'm glad it is working.

As noted, it would not work in a large area. If a person has a fire at home, who is he going to call? If there is an accident on the freeway, who will he report it to? The key to efficient emergency communications is not amateur radio. It is emergency centers and dispatch centers with back up equipment, with generators, with links to public telephone systems that are reliable.

I am glad to see the diminishing role of amateur radio in emergencies. I far prefer to see my tax dollars purchasing serious professional communications systems, to be operated by professionals, for 24-7 reliability.

Ed

[KC0OFZ]

How true. More and more, as public safety communications systems add redundancy, hams are les and less needed. But they won't admit it.

There are now and then situations in which amateur radio may can be of assistance, and apparently this is one of those occasions. I'm glad it is working.

As noted, it would not work in a large area. If a person has a fire at home, who is he going to call? If there is an accident on the freeway, who will he report it to? The key to efficient emergency communications is not amateur radio. It is emergency centers and dispatch centers with back up equipment, with generators, with links to public telephone systems that are reliable.

I am glad to see the diminishing role of amateur radio in emergencies. I far prefer to see my tax dollars purchasing serious professional communications systems, to be operated by professionals, for 24-7 reliability.

Ed

Very well put Ed. It is refreshing to see your attitude that feels while AR can at times provide a service it is not ment to be the common carrier. Too often we are forced into this idea that AR is the only common carrier that is needed. The pundents of this idea tell us that AR is the only service that saves lives, the only service that works, and of course is the only service that will NEVER fail.
I share your joy to see that lessons are being learned and tax dollars are being put toward systems that work, are reliable, and do not need the "whackers" to save the world.
Arend

[AC7LY]

Last December several Oregon counties were served by Amateur radio when they were effectively cutoff from other means of communications (http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2008/01/08/100/?nc=1). It so impressed Oregon's Governor, Ted Kulongoski, that he provided 250K to Oregon ARES. With this happening two winters in a row I would say Amateur Radio is really contributing to the common good here in Oregon.

[KE7VZW]

I've been lead and co-lead design on some of the largest US transit and enterprise network rollouts from 98-08. Some were THE largest at the time they were implemented. Even with the most ingenious distribution and redundancy designs, terrestrial networks are fallible.

Radio should ALWAYS be available and NEVER diminished.

[KB2SFH]

"I am glad to see the diminishing role of amateur radio in emergencies."


I would be very glad to see YOU diminish from ham radio with that attitude toward those that have assisted in disasters and toward the entire ham community:mad:

[WN9HJW]

"I am glad to see the diminishing role of amateur radio in emergencies."


I would be very glad to see YOU diminish from ham radio with that attitude toward those that have assisted in disasters and toward the entire ham community:mad:

It's not attitude. It's truth. Reread Ed's post and think about it instead of gut-reacting.

If public safety communications systems are so messed up that they have to rely on amateurs for communications in an emergency, then that's a bad thing. The more reliable the infrastructure, the less you need amateurs - resulting in diminishing role for amateurs in emergencies and disasters. We should want the public safety communications infrastructure to be as close to 100% reliable as possible. Then amateurs could get back to being amateurs (with the occassional emergency communications incident) and stop this "When All Else Fails Hams Save The World" nonsense.

[KI4ITV]

"I am glad to see the diminishing role of amateur radio in emergencies."


I would be very glad to see YOU diminish from ham radio with that attitude toward those that have assisted in disasters and toward the entire ham community:mad:

Why would you wish for Ed to go away?
He makes some VERY valid points. There are many in this hobby that think the role of EMCOM in amateur radio is overemphasized, oversold, often leading to expectations that cannot really be met by amateurs in the real world.

Most of us are happy that we would be able to assist if necessary, but disappointed by the thought that we may have to. Especially when it is the result of negligence or poor planning on the side of government. Which would have to be the case if a bunch of amateurs can do it when they can't.

Edit: Whoops! Slow on the send button here....4RH nailed it.

[KB2SFH]

[QUOTE=NN4RH;1434769]It's not attitude. It's truth. Reread Ed's post and think about it instead of gut-reacting.
QUOTE]

Oh I wasn't gut reacting. I know and meant what I said, don't go looking for any apologies from me.

[KC0OFZ]

[QUOTE=NN4RH;1434769]It's not attitude. It's truth. Reread Ed's post and think about it instead of gut-reacting.
QUOTE]

Oh I wasn't gut reacting. I know and meant what I said, don't go looking for any apologies from me.
Well we mean what we say too and no apologies if you hear the word whacker. This attitude that AR is the common carrier, the only service that saves lives , will never fail is silly at best. Can it help? Yes, should it be the the common carrier like some believe? no. You may feel that you and your hand held will save all of mankind, and you can hold that dream and you can continue to wish for disaster so some can play radio. However, others feel more comfortable when our tax dollars build the best systems possible. This diminished role is a good thing. Too bad if you ego is damaged by not enough disaster for your taste.

[KG4KWW]

w5htw--How true. More and more, as public safety communications systems add redundancy, hams are less and less needed. But they won't admit it.


Yes Ed I agree 100%. The ARRL will never admit that hams are less and less needed to assist with public safety communications. It's the ARRL's job to sell Ham Radio to the public.

After many years as a vol firefighter I have never seen our county use ham operators to help with ECOMS.

What you said about what the article described as not working in a large area is 100% correct. There would have to be mobile AREA units patroling the interstates, local roads and so forth and so forth.

Best left to the pro's.

[KB2SFH]

You are the one dreaming if you think our tax dollars are being spent on what's really needed. As far as my ego? no ego here but thanks for your concern. And ham radio should not be a diminished role in any area. just remember: WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS, AMATEUR RADIO



"You may feel that you and your hand held will save all of mankind, and you can hold that dream and you can continue to wish for disaster so some can play radio. However, others feel more comfortable when our tax dollars build the best systems possible. This diminished role is a good thing. Too bad if you ego is damaged by not enough disaster for your taste."

[N7WR]

SFH
You are mistaken. In hundreds of jurisdictions DHS money has been and is being spent on developing public safety radio systems that are needed and do work. In those jurisdictions where that has been done there is a diminished role for amateur radio support for "government". There still is, however, a need for amateurs to assist the public directly as citizens are the ones with no communications in a major incident where all telephones and the internet are inoperable. Unfortunately too many hams seem to shy from that type of assistance as it is not "glamorous" enough for them...no badges, uniforms or opportunity to pretend they are cops, firefighters, etc.

[KB2SFH]

SFH
Unfortunately too many hams seem to shy from that type of assistance as it is not "glamorous" enough for them...no badges, uniforms or opportunity to pretend they are cops, firefighters, etc.


That's pretty amusing coming from a retired police chief.

[AL7N]

I don't think it is a bit amusing...what N7WR is saying is the straight truth.

Amateurs need to concern themselves with whatever way they can do to "serve" the "general public" and not so much the various "served agencies" which are now much better prepared and improving their "hardened" capability all the time.

Those agencies can usually take care of their functions very well without any added "help" from the amateur community that is not normally needed anyway.

Better for amateurs to just stay out of the way, and maybe see if they
cannot independently put something together (or better yet, have it already "pre-organized") that would help general folks within an affected area let relatives and others know of their well being until such time as whatever communications disruptions are corrected by commercial common carriers.

The "served agencies" are normally too involved in theri own important operations to take care of this important function so it is a place where amateur operations can still do some good.

Handling this kind of traffic is just plain hard work and is not "glamorous" but it is still a good thing to do if it needs to be done.

[K7VV]

As has been mentioned here, Oregon ARES (actually, Oregon Emergency Management, OEM) received a $250,000 grant from the Gov's office. The money resulted from the December 2007 storms in some of our NW counties in which amateur radio, specifically packet/pactor using Winlink/Airmail provided comms for county government to OEM and state agencies.

The purpose of the grant is to establish a packet/pactor capability in every county EOC to provide backup emergency communications between the county government (that is, the county emergency manager and the county commission to OEM, state agencies, and the Gov's office).

Oregon, like every other state, is locked into a very specific set of requirements when state level or federal level assistance is required. The county must first pass an Declaration of Emergency and specify that local resources are exausted. The county then can request state level resources, and the state can request federal (FEMA) resources. To do this the county sends in the DOE, Situation Reports and Requests for Service.

When phone services go down the county essentially loses it's communications capability to the state capitol. There is no existent state level system to carry county traffic to the state level. The task(s) assigned to the amateur radio units are very specific, as you can see. I anybody has any questions I'll try and answer them.

[KB2SFH]

Given all the disagreeing responses to me on this topic I am yielding to the lot of you that supports the notion that hams that help in disasters are just trying to act like cops, and aren't wanted around to help. That has helped me to decide against going for my ARRL emcomm courses since that is the attitude I will encounter when on site to assist in any disaster, natural or terrorist inflicted. Thank you all for helping me make that decision. Now I ask you all, who else will you gang up against and discourage into giving up?


I don't think it is a bit amusing...what N7WR is saying is the straight truth.

Amateurs need to concern themselves with whatever way they can do to "serve" the "general public" and not so much the various "served agencies" which are now much better prepared and improving their "hardened" capability all the time.

Those agencies can usually take care of their functions very well without any added "help" from the amateur community that is not normally needed anyway.

Better for amateurs to just stay out of the way, and maybe see if they
cannot independently put something together (or better yet, have it already "pre-organized") that would help general folks within an affected area let relatives and others know of their well being until such time as whatever communications disruptions are corrected by commercial common carriers.

The "served agencies" are normally too involved in theri own important operations to take care of this important function so it is a place where amateur operations can still do some good.

Handling this kind of traffic is just plain hard work and is not "glamorous" but it is still a good thing to do if it needs to be done.

[KA5S]

...That has helped me to decide against going for my ARRL emcomm courses since that is the attitude I will encounter when on site to assist in any disaster, natural or terrorist inflicted. Thank you all for helping me make that decision. Now I ask you all, who else will you gang up against and discourage into giving up?

With respect, sour grapes isn't a constructive response. By all means get your training. But do it as part of the club or other organization that will need and USE your services. An Incident Command or EOC needs practiced, drilled participants, not walk-ins who've never worked with the team.

As for attitudes here? Ignore 'em. A tree that won't support you when you lean on, it won't hurt if it falls on you.

Cheers,

Cortland
KA5S

[W9PSK]

[quote=KB2SFH;1434798]
Well we mean what we say too and no apologies if you hear the word whacker. This attitude that AR is the common carrier, the only service that saves lives , will never fail is silly at best. Can it help? Yes, should it be the the common carrier like some believe? no. You may feel that you and your hand held will save all of mankind, and you can hold that dream and you can continue to wish for disaster so some can play radio. However, others feel more comfortable when our tax dollars build the best systems possible. This diminished role is a good thing. Too bad if you ego is damaged by not enough disaster for your taste.

Why do you assume that hams are just itching for their community to face some disaster? Your thinking is really warped on this. The last thing anyone wants is for their community to be ravaged by some disaster.

It's easy to ramble on and on about tax dollars being spent in such a way so that hams don't fit into the equation at all, but, in reality, smaller towns, counties, and states don't have the money to build the back up systems to make hams an unnecessary resource.

[KB2SFH]

I wasn't assuming that hams are just itching for a disaster, that was someone els'es assumption.



[quote=KC0OFZ;1435051]

Why do you assume that hams are just itching for their community to face some disaster? Your thinking is really warped on this. The last thing anyone wants is for their community to be ravaged by some disaster.

It's easy to ramble on and on about tax dollars being spent in such a way so that hams don't fit into the equation at all, but, in reality, smaller towns, counties, and states don't have the money to build the back up systems to make hams an unnecessary resource.

[W9PSK]

[quote=KB2SFH;1435851]I wasn't assuming that hams are just itching for a disaster, that was someone els'es assumption.



I think the quotes got messed up somehow. I know they were jumping on you. I don't understand why people can't leave well enough alone. If someone wants to use their ham radio to help out their community, I say let 'em.

[KB2SFH]

p.s.
Who are you to call my thinking warped? heck I'm not the one with the president with a questionable past sitting up on my avatar.



[quote=KC0OFZ;1435051]

Why do you assume that hams are just itching for their community to face some disaster? Your thinking is really warped on this. The last thing anyone wants is for their community to be ravaged by some disaster.

It's easy to ramble on and on about tax dollars being spent in such a way so that hams don't fit into the equation at all, but, in reality, smaller towns, counties, and states don't have the money to build the back up systems to make hams an unnecessary resource.

[WA7KKP]

I remember many years ago in Great Falls, MT . . . my best friend KE7RX was there and told me about it.

The power company had pulled the power from the telco office/switchroom to do maintenance one weekend. Their backup generator didn't start, and the batteries ran until mid Sunday morning, when the local hams on the ragchew net noticed that their phones were dead. No side tone, dial tone, NADA.

Several contacted the 911 communications center IN PERSON, and the hams helped the police set up an emergency network , placing officers at select intersections throughout Great Falls, in order to relay 911 traffic when needed.

It seems that no one was in the telco office that weekend, and alarms that should have gone off in the state offices in Helena, didn't work, or simply weren't responded to . . .

It took a couple more days for Ma Bell to restore service . . . it was all solid-state microprocessor controlled, and they had to FLY in an engineer with backup disks to re-boot the system from scratch.

Gary WA7KKP
St. Joseph, MO

[W9PSK]

[quote=KB2SFH;1435859]p.s.
Who are you to call my thinking warped? heck I'm not the one with the president with a questionable past sitting up on my avatar.


What part of the quoting thing being messed up did you not understand? I wasn't responding to you. I was responding to someone else.

Also, if you don't like Barack Obama I really don't give a damn. He won the election and will be sworn in on 1/20/09.

[KB2SFH]

Right, you know darn well you were responding to me calling my thinking warped. Just drop it and quit wasting my time.


[quote=KB2SFH;1435859]p.s.
Who are you to call my thinking warped? heck I'm not the one with the president with a questionable past sitting up on my avatar.


What part of the quoting thing being messed up did you not understand? I wasn't responding to you. I was responding to someone else.

Also, if you don't like Barack Obama I really don't give a damn. He won the election and will be sworn in on 1/20/09.

[W9PSK]

[quote=KB2SFH;1435890]Right, you know darn well you were responding to me calling my thinking warped. Just drop it and quit wasting my time.


Reread my post. Was I quoting anything you said? I was responding to the poster who made the comment about hams wanting bad things to happen. I was talking to him, not you. I don't know why it said I was quoting you, but you should have caught the error right away. You do know what you post and don't post, don't you? You're the one making an accusation against me, so it's you who needs to drop it, NOT me.

[KB2SFH]

Have a nice life.





[quote=KB2SFH;1435890]Right, you know darn well you were responding to me calling my thinking warped. Just drop it and quit wasting my time.


Reread my post. Was I quoting anything you said? I was responding to the poster who made the comment about hams wanting bad things to happen. I was talking to him, not you. I don't know why it said I was quoting you, but you should have caught the error right away. You do know what you post and don't post, don't you? You're the one making an accusation against me, so it's you who needs to drop it, NOT me.

[W9PSK]

Have a nice life.



Whatevah :rolleyes:

[KB2SFH]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


Whatevah :rolleyes:

[W9PSK]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Does this mean you've realized the error of your ways and are apologizing for accusing me of jumping on you? :D

[KB2SFH]

No, it means I realized how silly that whatevah remark from you sounds and was laughing at you.

For the record I didn't accuse you of jumping on me, please stop twisting things around.


Does this mean you've realized the error of your ways and are apologizing for accusing me of jumping on you? :D

[KC0OFZ]

[quote=KC0OFZ;1435051]

Why do you assume that hams are just itching for their community to face some disaster? Your thinking is really warped on this. The last thing anyone wants is for their community to be ravaged by some disaster.

It's easy to ramble on and on about tax dollars being spent in such a way so that hams don't fit into the equation at all, but, in reality, smaller towns, counties, and states don't have the money to build the back up systems to make hams an unnecessary resource.

ASSUME? Wrong, just this year there was a post on this board in a similar thread. What did the poster want? More "Katrina" sized disasters so people would be forced to realize how "important" AR is. Believe me if you want or don't believe me but it was posted here on the zed, I am not making this up. Does this fit your idea of "warped"? I sure hope so as it fits my idea of crazy.
Tax dollars being spent on communication systems......tell me is this a bad thing? I say not. Where have I said that AR has NO role? What I have said over and over as have others is amateur radio has been and is being replaced slowly over time by better and better commercial systems. Lessons are learned and equipment is (re)built accordingly.
The idea that amateur radio is ONLY about emcomm is what is crazy. As far I see it, it is only one part of the whole. Amateur radio helping out IF needed great, push that AR become the common carrier or that NO tax dollars need to be spent on communications systems because hams can "take over"? Leave me out of that idea.

[W9PSK]

No, it means I realized how silly that whatevah remark from you sounds and was laughing at you.

For the record I didn't accuse you of jumping on me, please stop twisting things around.

:rolleyes:You said I was talking to you when I made the warped thinking comment, did you not? Even after I explained to you the quote thing was messed up, and I was responding to someone else, you continued. Then you told me to drop it, as if I had been the one accusing you of something. Now you want to say I am the one twisting things around? Go look in the mirror SFH. You're the one twisting things around, not me.

[KG4KWW]

You people need to understand that ham radio is not the savior of the world. With all of today's state of the art communications system ham radio is not as important as it once was for emergency communications.

How many hams of today can send a emergency message in the format used by the ARRL?

Not many, the OF's most likely but they are leaving this world everyday.

[KC0OFZ]

You people need to understand that ham radio is not the savior of the world. With all of today's state of the art communications system ham radio is not as important as it once was for emergency communications.

How many hams of today can send a emergency message in the format used by the ARRL?

Not many, the OF's most likely but they are leaving this world everyday.

Greg
You and I think too much alike about this. It must come from not wearing our SCBA enough......LOL. The smoke fried our brains.
For the record I do wear mine......other wise I may get a ride in Greg's "other" vehicle.

[W9PSK]

ASSUME? Wrong, just this year there was a post on this board in a similar thread. What did the poster want? More "Katrina" sized disasters so people would be forced to realize how "important" AR is. Believe me if you want or don't believe me but it was posted here on the zed, I am not making this up. Does this fit your idea of "warped"? I sure hope so as it fits my idea of crazy.
Tax dollars being spent on communication systems......tell me is this a bad thing? I say not. Where have I said that AR has NO role? What I have said over and over as have others is amateur radio has been and is being replaced slowly over time by better and better commercial systems. Lessons are learned and equipment is (re)built accordingly.
The idea that amateur radio is ONLY about emcomm is what is crazy. As far I see it, it is only one part of the whole. Amateur radio helping out IF needed great, push that AR become the common carrier or that NO tax dollars need to be spent on communications systems because hams can "take over"? Leave me out of that idea.

So...........................one ham makes an idiotic comment like that, and that now means anyone interested in emcomm can't wait for a disaster to happen? Unless the poster you directed your comments to is the one who made the idiotic comment, you're broad brushing. The last thing anyone with any sense would want is for a disaster to strike his community.

Spending tax dollars on communications systems is a good idea. That doesn't mean money will be available to build redundancy into the system. Amateur radio operators are a good resource for communities that lack the funding for backup systems.

Also, what gives you the idea that anyone is pushing for ham radio to be the only alternative for emcomm? It's just another aspect of ham radio as a whole. Emcomm doesn't make or break amateur radio.

The county I live in is planning some changes for the coming year. Right now the organization of hams is basically a sheet of paper with our phone numbers on it at the EMA office. The EMA director has realized we need better organization than that, so there are some plans to get some training done for amateur volunteers. The way things are now, we don't even have a weather net for Skywarn, let alone anything in place for disaster communications. Anyone interested in helping out will have to get NIMS training, along with whatever else they're planning. I think it's an excellent idea because this county does not have the money for building a backup system. If something were to happen, and communications go down, the result would be chaotic.

I care about this community and want to help in whatever way they need me. If that means relaying messages for the Red Cross, I am all for it. It that means helping the police, I am all for it. If that means relaying a message from Suzy Citizen to her grandma on the other side of the county, I am all for it. It really doesn't matter to me who it is I am helping, as long as I do my part.

BTW, I am glad that at least you realized it was you I was posting to. Some people around here have a problem with knowing when someone is responding to them or someone else. :D

[KC0OFZ]

I care about this community and want to help in whatever way they need me. If that means relaying messages for the Red Cross, I am all for it. It that means helping the police, I am all for it. If that means relaying a message from Suzy Citizen to her grandma on the other side of the county, I am all for it. It really doesn't matter to me who it is I am helping, as long as I do my part.

Finally! Someone else who is not too proud to just do what ever it takes. A refreshing attitude you show with that last comment. You should see the looks of death I got at a radio club meeting when I suggested that a role may be as simple as helping out the Red Cross shelters with comms(or who ever has the shelter) or just taking water, food, and blankets to said shelter(s). The suggestion was made we are far more important than that and we need to be taking over all communications. This is the attitude that frightens me. If my role for the day would be taking stuff to a shelter I will happily do it. If someone wants to tell grandma that they are "ok" I will be happy to help with that too. More than likely I will end in as deep as one would want to be. Fire departments and ambulance services tend to do that. Either way, help out if needed, do not be too proud to do any role and go home (if it is still there) when it is all over.

[KC0OFZ]

BTW, I am glad that at least you realized it was you I was posting to. Some people around here have a problem with knowing when someone is responding to them or someone else. :D
I knew exactly who you were talking to......little ol' me!:p

[W9PSK]

Finally! Someone else who is not too proud to just do what ever it takes. A refreshing attitude you show with that last comment. You should see the looks of death I got at a radio club meeting when I suggested that a role may be as simple as helping out the Red Cross shelters with comms(or who ever has the shelter) or just taking water, food, and blankets to said shelter(s). The suggestion was made we are far more important than that and we need to be taking over all communications. This is the attitude that frightens me. If my role for the day would be taking stuff to a shelter I will happily do it. If someone wants to tell grandma that they are "ok" I will be happy to help with that too. More than likely I will end in as deep as one would want to be. Fire departments and ambulance services tend to do that. Either way, help out if needed, do not be too proud to do any role and go home (if it is still there) when it is all over.


I know there are some people in ham radio who think much more highly of themselves than they should. I also agree with you that there's an extreme faction of hams who would like nothing better than to take over all communications, in a misguided effort to feed their inflated egos. However, I believe very strongly that those people are in the minority. Most of us just want to help in any way we can. We're not looking for fancy uniforms, badges, official designations, or anything of the sort.

[KB2SFH]

OMG give it a rest already:mad:


Quote:
Originally Posted by KC9MUK

BTW, I am glad that at least you realized it was you I was posting to. Some people around here have a problem with knowing when someone is responding to them or someone else.

[W9PSK]

OMG give it a rest already:mad:


Quote:
Originally Posted by KC9MUK

BTW, I am glad that at least you realized it was you I was posting to. Some people around here have a problem with knowing when someone is responding to them or someone else.

No, I won't give it a rest. I don't take too kindly to people accusing me of things I didn't do. In fact, it really pisses me off, especially when I explain myself to that person more than once and he continues to act like I've done something wrong.

[KB2SFH]

Then don't give it a rest, just keep dwelling on it and raising your blood pressure, I don't care. I am sitting here calm cool and collected.


No, I won't give it a rest. I don't take too kindly to people accusing me of things I didn't do. In fact, it really pisses me off, especially when I explain myself to that person more than once and he continues to act like I've done something wrong.

[W9PSK]

Then don't give it a rest, just keep dwelling on it and raising your blood pressure, I don't care. I am sitting here calm cool and collected.

I plan on reminding you of it every chance I get. LOL! That would be fun, wouldn't it? :cool: