QSL ettiquette, my opinion.

[N4ZN]

QSL etiquette, my opinion. #by M.Reigle/N4ZN

Amateur radio is a diverse hobby, that attracts folks from all walks of life. Although it's a high tech hobby, not everyone you meet, is, or has been, an engineer in the communications field. Some of us are just "regular" people in "menial" positions, or students and young people. #I wish to address an issue that I think concerns alot of retired, disabled, or low income hams, that nobody seems to talk about.

I am mostly a ragchewer on the bottom end of 40 meters. I don't do alot of DXing anymore, I just like to chat. I contact many people in states that I have confirmed many times over. My QSO count on an average night is probably anywhere from half a dozen, on up to a dozen and a half. I tend to have meaningful conversations, full of comments on various topics of interest, being a well rounded person, with no particular obsessions.

QSLing comes in two forms. One, for confirmation of a contact for awards application, and two, for remembering a meaningful QSO. Although I won't go as far as saying all of my QSO's are so meaningful that ninety percent of the hams I contact feel an uncontrollable urge to QSL with me, I will say that I do get quite a few cards in the mail from domestic contacts. Please don't get me wrong, I enjoy each and every one of the cards I receive, but being on a limited budget, I get more than I can afford to return in a timely manner. If I break it down very conservatively, by saying only half of my contacts QSL, it still costs me over thirty bucks a week, just to be polite. This, of course, includes the cost of the cards, envelopes, and postage.

I'm really starting to think that a certain etiquette needs to be followed when it comes to QSL's, especially just casual ragchews. The way I usually handle this situation is, if I want a card, I ask if they would like to QSL the contact with me. If they request, or if #I decide at a later time, after the QSO, to send a card, I do so along with an SASE. That way, they aren't forced into additional expenses incurred by QSLing (which can mount up quickly, if you spend alot of time on the air) that they aren't prepared for. If they don't have a printed card, a short handwritten note is just fine with me.

I think the burden of the expense needs to be on the requesting party, unless it's a mutual agreement. If you want a card, just ask the guy if he would like to QSL. If he says yes, ask if he needs an SASE. Believe me, you won't be taken advantage of. I've had plenty, that I did request, say "no problem, old man, no need". I guess they must have felt that they wanted a QSL as well.

Yes, the final courtesy of a QSO is a QSL, but you must admit that it's getting rather expensive, regardless of your income. Let's hope that the online QSL's become universally accepted.

[KG4OBK]

You describe want many of our peers have forgotten. This hobby on is built on a code {Considerate Loyal Progessive Friendly Balanced and Patrotic.} Thanks for being Considerate.
Danny
KG4OBK

[n7ty]

I am on a lot, almost every day. #I am chasing many different awards, WAS, WAC, WAZ, DXCC, etc... #I never assume that the other station I just had a QSO with is doing the same. #So if I need a QSL card from them, I don't even ask, I send an SASE. #If it is important to me to get a QSL card for a certain station for an award then the burden is on me to pay for the return postage. #Simple as that!

73 es Gud DX...

[k7unz]

I just wanted to say that I agree with the author 100 per cent concerning the cost of QSL'ing. #Being one of those retired people he mentioned, I can speak from personal experience when it comes to expense it brings to the hobby. #I'm not much of anything in particular when it comes to operating, I sort of do a little of everything. #After 40+ years on HF, including a number of years as a "DX" station, I really don't collect QSL's nor chase after the paper. #After all, if you've done a WAC award, the rest (DXCC, etc.) is really just nit picking. I understand many of you really enjoy the "chase" ....be it DX or county hunting, or whatever....and that's cool with me, and part of the hobby.

But as with everything else, the cost of QSL'ing has risen to a point where it is pretty much "gravy" to those on the proverbial "fixed" income. #

Think about it for a minute.... # You join ARRL to have access to the "outgoing" side, for which you still pay an additional charge. #Then you want the DX cards, so you pay for credits, envelopes, or whatever your bureau is using. #And the cards themselves have risen in cost so much that it rivals a major purchase to stock up. And that's just on the DX side of it.

Yes, I still QSL, but nowhere like I used to do. #Batch mailings for DX is out, and I do not worry about cards in the bureau. #I am not the only Arizona station that any DX guy is ever going to work!

I do enjoy QSL'ing for a nice QSO, and any card that shows up in my mailbox gets a reply. #(Although I now print my own cards to keep the cost down.....)

I still love every contact I make, and as far as I'm concerned, they're all DX to me! #But the reality of life is that for some of us, what was the frosting on the cake has been replaced with a taste for plain old pound cake.

So, just wanted to add my 2-cents worth so the author (and a lot of you out there) won't feel alone......

73 to all in the New Year!

Jim/K7UNZ

[N0PU]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N4ZN @ Dec. 28 2002,11:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">QSL etiquette, my opinion. by M.Reigle/N4ZN

Let's hope that the online QSL's become universally accepted.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Even at the expense of starting a flame war, THIS is the answer and it already exists in eQSL.

http://www.eqsl.org

[9V1VV]

Being new to Ham Radio I have not yet encountered the expenses that N4ZN has. I suppose my call is considered DX because there are so few 9V operators on CW, and low bands at that, and I am starting to receive QSL cards direct. (I am not sure how many are held up in the buro system from JA-land). I have not considered the expense at this point but I can see it will cost me a bit when QSL'ing direct, which I always do in response to a direct card received. At the moment it is a thrill to receive and send the cards, and as I don't work more than a handful of stations a night I hope the costs won't rise too much. If I were heavy into contests (which I am not) it may be a different story. As for e-cards, they are not for me. I like the anticipation of opening snail-mail. But ask me in another ten years of operating 9V and I may change my tune.
Happy New Year to all.
John

[KC0JB]

A few points on this thread:

1. #eQSL is really a great way to compromise for someone who wants confirmation, but doesn't need a card bad enough to bare the expense of sending a SASE. #It isn't accepted for ARRL credit as yet, but one day those in power there will hopefully see the light that eQSL is no less secure or honest than the paper kind.

2. #One way to reduce the costs of QSL'ing is to make your own cards vs. having the professionally printed. #I haven't had any cards professionally printed in 15 years. #I have a printer and can buy 4x6 Index card stock from any office supply store. #I even buy colored stock to give my otherwise boring plain cards a little visibility in the pile. #There are several free QSL printing applications available, many of them free, that you can download and use to design and print cards. #This will reduce the cost of printing cards to a few pennies instead of a few dimes per unit, but only if you use black and white ink (not the pricy color inks) or a laser printer in B&W. #Color inks produce a prettier card, but ink price is very high and will cut your payback down considerably.

3. #If you wish not to send any QSL cards, or would like a SASE to send a reply card, make this known in your QSO. #Sometimes just making your intentions clear from the onset will help avoid confusion or misunderstanding later. #At the end of the QSO, simply say something like "73 and thanks for the contact... if you want a QSL, please include an SASE." #I hear that from DX stations all the time, (except replace #SASE with Greenstamp). #I never hear anyone complain about it. #It's just the way things are done.

4. #Finally, if someone sends you a card with no reply SASE, then send them an eQSL and an email informing them that you've done so. #That way you've met your duty to reply while still being thrifty, and you've put the ball back in their court to send you a SASE if they want a hard copy for awards.

73 and see you on the air!
David, WO5I

[K3LT]

I am in general agreement. #If YOU are the station who "needs" the
QSL card, then by all means REQUEST one from the station you
just worked. #If he/she then requests an SASE, assume that they
don't "need" your QSL as much as you "need" theirs, and comply.
Otherwise, you both QSL on your respective dimes.

I am in disagreement about eQSL's. #ARRL doesn't accept them
for awards, and I don't think they ever should. #IMHO they will
never sort out the legitimacy concerns over eQSL's to a point
where everyone will be universally satisfied that they are, in
fact, genuine. #Therefore, I would like to see them abolished
now and forever. #I always advise my contacts that I do not
accept or send eQSL's, and if they need me confirmed for
whatever reason, I'll be all to happy to send a hard-copy QSL --
SASE's always appreciated. #

73 de Larry, K3LT
Dover, DE

[kq6fu]

Lots of opinions there, most of which I agree with. Personally, if I make a stateside contact, I don't QSL. However, if that stateside contact takes the time and makes the effort to send me one.....be it in the form of a QSL card or an email, I return favor.
When I was trying to finish up my WAS, I would let the other person know after the QSO "Hey, I'm finishing up my WAS and I'd be happy if I could use YOUR card for your state"...or something like that.
Nope, it's not cheap but I almost consider it part of HF operating procedures. If you're going to make the investment in rigs, amps, antenna's, coax etc, you should add QSL cards to the budget. They aren't that expensive really, 1000 QSL cards could last you a long time and making them on your computer is not difficult. I have very basic, plain cards that I use for stateside stuff and I have a nice, "colorful" card with a picture of my wife for my DX card. Look up my callsign and take a peek.
Anyway, if he/she asks for a card, then they go in the logbook and I await their card...with SASE or without. IF I receive an SASE from a stateside QSO, they get their SASE back to use on someone else. We're not rich but I can certainly afford to send a card and pay for a stamp for a ham that wants MY card on their wall!

73 es Tune for maximum smoke!!
Sean
KQ6FU

[WA1RKA]

After being in the hobby for nearly 40 years,and living in somewhat of a rare state now (Maine) I see the issue of Qsling hasnt changed much from my early days. I can remember well the postage complaints when the cost went from 4 cents to 6 cents.

Now that I am somewhat semi-retired, I no longer can justify the expense of professionaly printed cards, and find that I much prefer to make my own using any number of different programs that are available.Not only does this save on the initial expense it also allows me to change the picture on the card without any trouble.

I dont mind returning a qsl in exchange for one received,but as others have said dont do it for each and every contact.

Only recently did I finish returning some cards that had been owed for a nearly a year,and only recently had found the unopened envelopes stuck under the front seat of the car. I have a PO Box so you can pretty well guess how that happened.

73
John

[W8FAX]

I agree with most all said here. If I request a card from someone I put in an SASE if stateside, and a couple of bucks if not. I answer all buro requests back thru the buro. FISTS also has a nice member QSL service that is outstanding.(another good reason to be a member) I have rcvd a few requests from overseas also with a buck or two in them. These I return direct along with a tnx and their money. I have also rcvd DX cards in my envelope with a request to forward them to the operators. This is usually at my expense, but I do it anyway because that guy may not ever get a card if I dont pass it on. (interesting note: I always put in a little note about why he is getting his card from me.......never yet a single TNX back, but thats not why I do it I guess)
Most QSL card printers have economy cards. They aren't the spiffiest, but they are very cheap and do the job. I have also rcvd post cards with the data on them. Works just fine. I even have a couple of file cards that were handwritten. That's O.K. too. QSL is mostly a courtesy and collecting is a seperate part, but very REAL part, of our hobby. Happy new year all....................

[WB6DGN]

Any station I have a QSO with can request a QSL. I will cheerfully send it. I don't need to be "paid" (ie. SASE) for sending it; that is part of the fun of ham radio. If the cost of sending QSL's becomes a factor, as it well could, I will simply cut back on the number of contacts that I make so that I CAN afford it. Much the same way, if motorsports were my hobby and the cost of gasoline became a factor; I would simply cut back on the number of events that I entered. Very simple. If you talk to me on the radio and want a card, just ask.

[aa1mn]

It is amazing that an amateur radio operator will drop a large number of bills -- at times several thousand dollars when all is said and done -- on their equipment, including a rig, antenna, coax, and sometimes amplifiers and rotators yet will find the time to gripe about a .37 or .80 cent stamp to respond to a fellow amateur in the spirit of friendship.

The above poster, KB5DPE, is right on the money -- the most effective way to regulate the cost of QSL cards is to limit the number of contacts; he, much like myself, has learned through experience (often the greatestest teacher of all) and through practical commen sense to reach a practical solution to a sometimes troubling situation.

Just my 2 cents.

Chuck, AA1MN

[n0xas]

I always send a card. If I need the other OM's QSL for something (like WAS or whatever), I will send an SASE. Otherwise I hope to get a reply, but if not it's not a big deal. I don't send my cards in envelopes and don't expect anyone else to (unless it's MY SASE).

I figure I'll send mine as a courtesy, no matter what. If the other guy can and wants to send his as well, great. If not, I have discovered that the loss of a QSL card really doesn't have a profound impact on my life.

73,
Dale - N0XAS

[w6th]

I do not find the cost of qsl card sending very costly. #I have a military foot locker packed to the top with qsl cards from all over the world and have yet not found it very expensive. #I qsl only direct and no bureau. I qsl only to those that send me a qsl card and do not send the first card. #I receive a card, I then send one in return. #I do not ask for any IRC or needed cost, I supply my own cost which comes to 80 cents for a single qsl card sent to Europe and etc. This bureau system to #qsl is not my style of exchanging qsl's because I have already the amount needed for WAS, WAZ, and so forth again. #Why do I need 20 or 30 qsl cards from Japan? Why do I have the need for 50 to 60 qsl cards from any one country, now that is getting expensive.

# # You want a qsl card from me? Pay your own way and I will do the same for you. #This way most will think twice if they really need my qsl card.

# # Furthermore, I qsl 100 percent on a fixed budget. Direct is not putting a hole in my pocket, I sort of enjoy the cost of qsl's, to those that desire my card. Of course I don't smoke and do not drink intoxicating beverages, so I should be able to afford this hobby.

# # # # # # # # # #73, 30, Happy New Year to all.
# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #W6th

[kc5sdy]

I agree completely. Being that I don't have a money tree in the back yard, I am forced to use www.eqsl.cc for all my QSLing. I do not expect everyone to sign up but I do mention it when I ask if the station I am working would like to QSL. Of all the stations that I have worked that are not registered with QSL will still get a card eventually but, that takes money. I am just now able to get a bulk of regular cards sent out and even then I can only afford to send a few at a time. I try to send an SASE with my cards but, don't always have the funds to do so. Hense, eqsl.cc.

If I could afford it, I would send an SASE with ever card but, needless to say that cant happen all the time.

None the less, it is always a good practice to send an SASE when able for those of us that can't afford to send cards all the time.

Thats my 2 cents.

[wr1tx]

I agree with the author on most points except about eQSL. QSLing has become quite expensive for many hams, and it can be difficult to handle the costs.

As for me, I do try to QSL every way possible by snail-mail. Bureaus have been a good way for me to send cards, and they reduce the cost substantially. For the cards I send direct, I ALWAYS send and a SASE or return postage, whether IRC or green stamp.

I also print my own cards, and it is more expensive to use color ink as opposed to using just black and white. But if you want your cards to stand out a bit, it's not a bad idea to use some color.

I chase a wide variety of operating awards, some obvious and some not so obvious (I like a challenge). So for most QSOs, I really need the card. Sending return postage in some form really improves the chances of getting the card I need. I do have a limited budget, but I manage quite nicely.

As for eQSL I have tried it, but quit using it due to the fact that there were many requests for cards or confirmations for QSOs that I never made. I log each and every contact on HF and 6 meters, so it's very easy for me to research a previous contact. The requests for cards for non-existent QSOs ranged in the 60-70% range. The truth of the matter is, I don't have the time to keep researching contacts that never existed in the first place. So, I stopped using eQSL.

These are only my opinions, but after QSLing for some time (11 years) now, I learned a thing or two. I still QSL 100% if at all possible; it just may take a while for me to get the cards out.

Happy New Year to all...and good DX and QSLing, too!

Warren Rowe / KM5EW
Temple, Texas

[K0RFD]

I haven't been a Ham all that long, just upgraded to General, and I guess I am still impressed by the gentlemanliness of this hobby. I always send a card the first time I work somebody. I feel it is the logical, formal, polite way to acknowledge the person on the other end of the QSO. I don't expect to get one back, but I do manage to get about 50% response, even to a simple post card without SASE. The cards, to me, represent the PEOPLE I've talked to, and this is, after all, a PEOPLE hobby.

As a Technician, I chased VUCC via the FM satellites, and the cards were more important in that case--they were a means to an end as well. Grids I needed, I would ASK for a card and send an SASE; that improved the return rate to about 90%. (my pet peeve is people who don't return cards even WITH an SASE, but that's another matter.)

It may not be everybody's cup of tea. Sending a card is something *I* choose to do, because I think it is a polite way to acknowledge a conversation with a real human being. Although I don't expect one back, I treasure every one I've ever gotten. Sometimes I just pull out the books and look at them. Each card reflects a little bit of the personality of the sender, something you don't get just exchanging callsigns, signal reports, and grid squares.

Expensive? Not if you just send the post card for acknowledgement. I print my own in B/W on the laser printer, so a roll of post card stamps now and then and a pack of card stock doesn't break me. Internationals always get a self-addressed envelope and IRC, and THAT, plus the postage to send overseas, starts to run into money...

I don't really like E-QSLs enough to use them personally. To me, they're just another shortcut that diminishes the value of your conversation with the recipient, but that's my own personal bias. I think that sending an actual paper card via mail is one of the more quaint and mannerly rituals of the hobby. The world has gotten so fast, so high-tech, that we sometimes tend to take the PEOPLE for granted. I try not to. Maybe after years and years I'll get jaded, but I'm not there yet.

[n3jwj]

There is nothing like a discussion of QSL practices to get all sorts of strong opinion. #There may have been a 'right' answer once, but I think the practice of sending paper cards will continue to wane. #Just as language evolves based on common usage, #I think QSL practices have already changed. #The majority of hams do not send QSL cards for each QSO. #I suspect that a majority of hams have already stopped sending more than a handful of cards per year. #I maintain that only a system like eQSL can reverse this decline.

I have some issues with eQSL.cc and I am especially troubled by the notice: "Patent Pending on most aspects of the eQSL.cc technology. If you find another online QSL card exchange similar to ours, let us know. It is probably infringing on our patents. " #Irregardless, eQSL works for me and I am a happy user.

I prefer to use eQSL and I QSL 100% via eQSL. I work PSK31 exclusively and have found that a majority of 'warblers' seem to use eQSL. It seems like some sort of self selection that folks that QSO with computers are more likely to use computers for QSL'ing. #

I do have QSL cards and I respond quickly to SASE requests. Since I do not collect cards, I do not maintain envelopes at the buro. At least once a year, I do send postcard QSL responses to cards received direct. Before I answer a CQ, I check if a station is listed on eQSL. I only chase awards that accept eQSL confirmation, so I want to work stations that 'count' for me and I will 'count' for them. I'd like to see more folks use eQSL and go through the effort to become Authenticity Guaranteed. #

One of the reasons I send cards so rarely is the hassle of dealing with the US Post Office. #Postage costs are constantly changing, Post Office hours keep shrinking, and the lines get longer. #I don't have enough time in my lunch hour to get stamps. #Any thing mailed outside the US requires stamps with denominations printed on them and the Post Office never seems to have them in right denominations when I'm there. #I have multiple older stamps with no denomination that I have no idea what value they have. #It is just a continual hassle. #

I pay all my bills via computer banking, so many months I never have a need for a first class postage stamp. #There are services like Estamp, but I can't justify the monthly expense of computer printing of stamps for the few I need per month. #I send secure requests to my bank via computer to pay bills and there has been no hint of fraud. #Surely we can find a way to send QSL cards in a secure and agreed on manner. #I will continue to make that argument to my elected representatives at the ARRL and I urge others to do so as well.

73 de Darrell Frappier N3JWJ

[AC7NA]

First, I would like to say "to each his own" in regard to QSLing; however, I must say that the main reason QSLing has become so expensive (IMHO) is that hardly anyone sends QSLs as postcards at the postcard rate (currently 23 cents).

When I first got started in the hobby as a high school senior (1980), virtually all hams sent their cards without an envelope. #At the time, I was what you would call "on a limited budget," but sending out a couple dozen QSLs a week didn't hurt the wallet. #At that time, virtually all hams QSLed 100%. #You rarely had to ask for a card, you could safely assume a card sent would result in a card received. #And the rising cost of postage I hear so much about hasn't nearly kept pace with inflation. #I do relate to the cost of DX QSLing and use the Buro most of the time. #Personally, I have a better return rate with the buro than direct lately.

Do the math....$.23 vs. (2 X $.37) for a SASE. #The original poster claimed he would have to spend about $30 a week to QSL 100%. #That's 40 SASE's vs. 130 postcards. #

Sometimes the old ways are better (and cheaper!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

73
Brian AC7NA

[M3TMC]

QSL card should drop on the door matt and not in a cheap corruptable email!

My Opinion

[K8UPA]

I like to qsl not for any awards but merely to decorate the walls in my shack. One of my first memories regarding ham radio was delivering papers to the "crazy" old man trying to contact mars from his house. Once I got to know this fellow he showed me his shack with many, many cards on the wall. Peeked my interest right there. As far as the expense goes if someone stateside requests a sase, no problem otherwise I simply send out a card. If they return one that's great, if not that's o.k. too. DX cards I send a sase with a green stamp or two to cover their expenses. I tried e-qsl and I use it, more as a courtesy, but it's just not the same. Happy New Year
73
Lou

[kd5rpo]

Lets get to the reality of the original post.
There seems to be an obsession with the thought that you cannot be a ham without buying made up QSL cards, or making them on your printer. Also the postage and green stamps for the transfers.

I think the FCC would take a dim view of that part of our hobby. After all they were held accountable by Congress to account for the license fee structure years ago.

I have made up a computer file of my own card but because of financial circumstances at this time, Can't afford a printer cartridge for my old HP DeskJet
Maybe some of you don't know what it is like to have to choose between fish sticks or plastic encased ground mystery meat when you go to the food store.

I lost my job because of a severe case of spinal stenosis.
Now that they put the lower section back together with titanium rods and screws, It is a struggle to pay regular bills. The Company handed me off to Insurance, but I could not get the Physical rehab paid for.
The insurance did not cover all of the $60,000.00 operation or the other related medical costs.
I don't want to accept unemployment or food stamps.
Finding a job at this part of the economic cycle can be very hard for someone in the electronics industry. Espescially if you cant stand up for more than 2 hours without sitting down.

What a ridiculous claim to say it takes thousand of dollars to set up an HF station. A friend of mine 30 miles south purchased an old tranciever for just a few hundred dollars, and it might not cover 12 or 17, but with a simple antenna he has been covering the world in the last few weeks on 10 meters. He also is out of work because of being crippled, but is that any reason to consider us second class hams?


I thank all who have sent me cards and I have a 6 month back log of people I really want to send out to. I just transferred some last resort money from my mutual fund to my bank account so I can pay the bills.
(perhaps buy stamps)

KD5RPO

[w7uy]

I do agree, QSLing does cost money. The author's problem could be complicated by being in my home state Wyoming. Here nearly everyone sending me a card needs Wyoming or needs Lincoln County.

Also, I don't really need another card from 6 land, but the fellow from 6 land needs Wyoming.

If you want a card, send a SASE unless you are from a rare state or country yourself.

Just my 2 cents worth.

73,

Bob, W7UY

[k8nqc]

I have been a ham a long time and I assure you any card that shows up with my callsign is a rare card. I believe QSL's are a complete waste of time and money. I believe that the guy who long ago said "A QSL is the Final Courtesy of a QSO" must have been a card salesman.

Don't waste your money sending an SASE, the envelope is never opened and goes in with the junk mail. If a card is sent to a bureau, I don't want that. Let the bureau put it in the fireplace. BAH! HUMBUG!

Why would any awards manager require a QSL card? Why not trust the applicant's log? If someone has to lie to get a certificate it could not be of much value to that recipitent and let's face it, NO ONE ELSE CARES! If some poor soul is in such need of an undeserved award that they would lie, just give it to pitiful creature.

Hey, If people want to exchange QSL's and find joy in it, more power to them. Some cards are beautiful and some people find diplaying and looking at cards enjoyable. I think they ought to do it. Those of us who want nothing to do with QSL cards deserve the right to do that also. If someone agrees to send a card, they ought to honor that committment. Some of us would never agree to such a thing and are not violating any rules of etiquette when we do not respond in kind. Those who put out insulting lists with our callsigns are the ones who are being rude.

Having said that, My XYL set up both her callsign and mine on eQSL and I agree to respond to confirmations on that site. An old dog can learn a few new tricks.

Happy New Year! I hope we have a QSO this year and I will QSL for sure via eQSL.

[kc5nyo]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (k8nqc @ Dec. 31 2002,20:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">.....Don't waste your money sending an SASE, the envelope is never opened and goes in with the junk mail.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Wow! Perhaps you should update your bio field here on QRZ to let everyone know that? I know this is the first place I go to look for the qsl info when sending one.


73, Mike
kc5nyo

[W6OLA]

I agree that the cost of QSLing is going up. I agree that many types of folks become Ham operators for various reasons. I agree that not all chase awards! I have limited operating time and I too like to Ragchew. I also like "wall paper". I always ask the other operator about QSLing. I send sase to stateside operators, and a pre-addressed return envelope with either IRC, mint stamps, or a "green stamp" to DX operators. I always tell the operator I am QSLing direct and ask if postage etc. is needed. I have been a ham since 1961 and my ratio of return QSL's is less than 50%. Yes, the cost of QSLing is going up....but only for me, not for the folks I send postage to and half of them can not find it in their hearts to respond with a card. We have lost someting in our hobby... Best 73's and good DX!

[AC7RG]

Those eQSL's will wind up costing just as much to send one day as it costs to send a paper card. #Those folks at eQSL aren't in it for kicks and grins. #They are investing an idea and once that idea becomes the norm, you will see the very same costs imposed on eQSL's as paper cards. #The US government is working its tail off to figure out how to tax the internet commerce. #Don't think for a minute that email is a meal ticket to free mail for life. #The same costs you thought you conquered come right back around in another form. #Whether its fuel, or bread, or coffee, heart medicine, or a small postage stamp, the same costs will be maintained -- just in another form. # ##

I do agree that as a courtesy, sending a stamp would be polite, but you had better weld that sucker on the envelope because I bet the ones that can't afford QSL cards would peel that stamp off and use it to send in their internet provider bill. #Happy New Year folks. 73 SK

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w7uy @ Dec. 31 2002,16:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I do agree, QSLing does cost money. #The author's problem could be complicated by being in my home state Wyoming. #Here nearly everyone sending me a card needs Wyoming or needs Lincoln County.

Also, I don't really need another card from 6 land, but the fellow from 6 land needs Wyoming.

If you want a card, send a SASE unless you are from a rare state or country yourself.

Just my 2 cents worth.

73,

Bob, W7UY[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif I have worked many stations from Wyoming and find most need me for W.A.S. 10x, QCWA, FIST # or ect. (being the ONLY operator in my community) I have been qsling for 27 years, and ANYONE http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif #who says they need me my card, makes me proud to send them one without SASE... I have been there, and know how it feels. #It is not like I am bombarded with qsl contesting. Happy New Year!!!

[k8nqc]

The FCC is part of the problem. Why on earth do they give out our personal addresses. Listings such as QRZ, Callbook, and Buckmaster should be limited to those who want their address published. We can keep our eMail private if we want but with our callsign addresses published we are subjected to bombardment of snail mail SPAM such as QSL cards. 73, Bill

[N1NKM]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (k8nqc @ Dec. 31 2002,21:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">(point #1)
I believe QSL's are a complete waste of time and money. I believe that the guy who long ago said "A QSL is the Final Courtesy of a QSO" must have been a card salesman.

(point #2)
If some poor soul is in such need of an undeserved award that they would lie, just give it to that pitiful creature.

(point #3)
Those of us who want nothing to do with QSL cards deserve the right to do that also. If someone agrees to send a card, they ought to honor that committment. Some of us would never agree to such a thing and are not violating any rules of etiquette when we do not respond in kind. Those who put out insulting lists with our callsigns are the ones who are being rude.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
K8NQC (on page 3) has touched a few points, here, that I wanted to comment on...

#1)

While his choice of words is a little strong, I tend to agree with his feelings on this issue. If I have had a reasonably lengthy QSO with somoene, we've already exchanged a LOT more than just calls & RST reports... we've talked about any number of subjects. Why is it necessary to spend $$$ on shuttling paper back and forth, when E-mail or EQSLs are FREE? It DOES add up!!!

#2)

Personally, I have no use for "contests". I despise them, in fact... BUT... to each his own! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif That's all the more reason for me to run to the WARC bands, when the regular freq's are stuffed full of that 'CQ CONTEST!' nonsense.

If someone really is THAT DESPERATE to get some little certificate, that they would actually INVENT phony QSO's, what prevents them from printing their own QSL cards on a printer, and submitting them? As 'NQC said, let that poor, pitiful creature have his worthless, unearned "reward". What good it does him is between him & his psychoanalyst! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif Hehehe

#3)

I try to make it clear to all that I do *NOT* have cards, and that I ONLY QSL via eQSL.CC, yet sometimes they insist, anyway. Sigh. I feel bad for them, if they really desperately NEED a card from CT, but I tried to politely tell them that I DON'T HAVE ANY and that I DON'T SEND PAPER QSL's. I have responded to a number of eQSL's and am happy to do so.

For all you QSL enthusiasts, PLEASE try to understand that there are those of us who not only DON'T share your passion for exchanging paper, we simply can't or don't WANT to get involved in that. I feel that our on-air contact, alone, is sufficient... and would look forward to more on-air contacts in the future.

I am *NOT* on the air for *ANY* kind of contest or award, I am there to COMMUNICATE with others, and make new friends. Not all humans are compatible with one another... personality differences abound... so we should agree to disagree about paper QSL's and move on from there.

I do offer my apologies to those handful who have requested cards from me... I've tried several local drugstores, and not a single one has postcards for sale. Frankly, I've given up trying. It's eQSL or nothing, I'm afraid! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

Finally, if someone wants to put me into a list of "NON-QSL'ers", let 'em. More power to 'em. It'll most likely keep the "card hunters" away, and that would be a good thing... for both them AND me. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif When I talk to you on the air, I want to become acquainted on the air. Our entire contact is via the air. Our confirmation is there, and eQSL is available for a "proof", if desired. I don't need or desire it, but it's there upon request. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

73 to all, and to all a blessed and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

[M3TMC]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (k8nqc @ Jan. 01 2003,08:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The FCC is part of the problem. Why on earth do they give out our personal addresses. Listings such as QRZ, Callbook, and Buckmaster should be limited to those who want their address published. We can keep our eMail private if we want but with our callsign addresses published we are subjected to bombardment of snail mail SPAM such as QSL cards. # 73, Bill[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
In the UK we can choose not to have our name and address listed in any publication at all. You would have to go through the bureau.

If you cant afford to QSL then say so. I will send any opp a sae and card to fill in if needs be.
The web costs to surf so do the radio and pc you lot use, seems a poor excuse if you look at it that way eh?

[kd5rpo]

[QUOTE The web costs to surf so do the radio and pc you lot use, seems a poor excuse if you look at it that way eh? ]

Hardly an excuse if you have been out of work and are trying to keep abreast of your technical career and searching for employment.

KD5RPO

[ac5ta]

Over the oast few years a lot of things have changed, New technologies and modes. As for QSL cards they are fine to get in the mail However many times a card will come 2 or 3 years after QSO.
It is time that EQSLs are accepted as confirmatoin of contact. They are instant confirmation. and do not cost postage which is always going up. If I sent a card by post to all my contacts it would run around 50$ a month. We need to quit nit picking and use the new methods. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[w8znx]

Oh Please

u only have 728 look ups
so you got a few card
from ops that want ur qsl

if ur too cheep to qsl
then DON'T

quit complaining

By the way if you were truly

making 6 to 18 cw qso a day
their would be more hits on
your call

can't be much in the way of real
rag chews if you can cram 18 qso
in a night

e qsl are to qsl cards
that internet sex is to sex
no romance

w8znx mac

[n3xp]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N4ZN @ Dec. 28 2002,10:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Please don't get me wrong, I enjoy each and every one of the cards I receive, but being on a limited budget, I get more than I can afford to return in a timely manner. If I break it down very conservatively, by saying only half of my contacts QSL, it still costs me over thirty bucks a week, just to be polite. This, of course, includes the cost of the cards, envelopes, and postage.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Eqsl is accepted. Eqsl has awards just like the arrl. The problem is the arrl is not going to endorse anything that was not its idea. In feeling is the arrl is a stuffy old bunch that resist change and is soing nothing to promote this hobby. Oh yeah the big project. What a waste. Remeber back to when you were 11 or 12 years old. First you did'nt have any money to buy gear and second you changed hobbies/sports faster than most people wear out a pair of shoes.

Tired of the arrl wasting my money on doomed to fail projects and its stuffy old way of resisting change I just let my membership lapse.

[n3xp]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K3LT @ Dec. 30 2002,22:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am in disagreement about eQSL's. #ARRL doesn't accept them
for awards, and I don't think they ever should. #IMHO they will
never sort out the legitimacy concerns over eQSL's to a point
where everyone will be universally satisfied that they are, in
fact, genuine. #Therefore, I would like to see them abolished
now and forever. #I always advise my contacts that I do not
accept or send eQSL's, and if they need me confirmed for
whatever reason, I'll be all to happy to send a hard-copy QSL --
SASE's always appreciated. #

73 de Larry, K3LT
Dover, DE[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
What, a paper qsl card can't be faked. Everone sends the things in envelopes, they don't even get postmarked anymore. Don't think it can be done. I'll show you. It's faster to fake a paper qsl than it is to fake an eqsl.

By the way, esl's can be checked for ligitimacy. IP addresses can be used to verify the sending country.

[KD5KUF]

I'm a poor guy too. IF I can afford it they can too, or I won't get a card back, but I'll be damned if I am going to pay for mine and theirs too. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[N4ZN]

Normally, if I felt compelled to try to rip someone apart over their opinion, I would have done so through a private message. But seeing how this one sounded like a cry for attention, I will give it to you the same way you responded. Don't even give the first thought that I'm trying to defend myself from your statements, as everyone can see, I need none. I'm just going to point out a few mistakes of assumption on your part, and make you wish that you had just moved on, instead of making an idiot out of yourself. Call it schooling, if you will. Maybe recall something your mom said way back when... "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."

#First off... it never ceases to amaze me how commenting on *anything* on this forum, get's you flamed. A benefit of that observation is that you stop taking any of the dribble from bored, attention craving, whiners with any seriousness at all.

On closer observation, Craig, you have worse things to worry about, than my QSL problems.

"Oh Please"

yes...

"u only have 728 look ups
so you got a few card
from ops that want ur qsl"

Gee... you're *so* saavy that QRZ.COM is the "end all" of callsign look-ups. Nevermind the other twenty, or so, out there. First one coming to mind is FCC.GOV. Never thought of that one did you? How about the CD ROMS, or printed matter? How about the various bureaus? Can you taste shoeleather yet?

"if ur too cheep to qsl
then DON'T"

If I was too "cheep" to QSL, I wouldn't have this problem, would I?

"quit complaining"

I didn't think I approached the matter in a complaining way. I though it was well thought out, and factual. Obviously, so did the editors. Lucky for you, replies aren't screened, checked for spelling, grammer, or whiners.

"By the way if you were truly

making 6 to 18 cw qso a day
their would be more hits on
your call"

See the above reference to address the first ASS.umption you made to this.

"can't be much in the way of real
rag chews if you can cram 18 qso
in a night"

Do you know how long I operate for? Did I say I made 18 rag-chews a nite?

"e qsl are to qsl cards
that internet sex is to sex
no romance"

As is to your tact, and social, spelling, and grammatical skills. Also sounds like you need a bit of all of the above.

"w8znx mac"

Well... good luck Craig. I hope you feel better soon. If you have nothing better to do than offer an assault instead of an adult observation, than you certainly have worse issues than I, OM. I truly wish you peace from whatever it is that has you so distraught, that you must beleaguer me over something that is obviously meaningless to you, and has no bearing, whatsoever, on your life.

I normally ignore this type of crap, but you just laid yourself out, so wide open, I had to respond. Nothing funnier than watching the idiot who thinks he can run across ice, fall and bust his own a*s ! Perhaps you'll *think* a little before the next time you try to belittle someone.

[WA9SVD]

I really don't care about e-QSL's either way. I'll get around to confirming mine, now that I know I have some. But they may be the wave of the future. PERHAPS they will eventually be recognized if both sides of the QSO confirm the contact independently? If both stations have the same QSO logged at the same time/band, shouldn't that be sufficient? But of course, it will require both sides to QSL, even for contests. I'm still a little vague on the concept, but I like the QSO. The QSL is just icing on the cake, whether by paper or e-QSL.
JUST IMHO.

[w8znx]

Michael ccc knw cant spell
ony finsh 11 grd then no
time fer high r lerning
army viet nam fun fun time
wldnt miss it fer the wrld

Stll cms ur too fin ur too cheep
to qeesl do not qeesl
Jst love hereng same old
crap hrd frem ovr 40 yrs agoo

otr sd is de qsl cards hv
bn a important part of ham
radio fr ovr 90 yrs

jst fb om the we be geting less than 50%
rtn get frm snt sase qsl
wt do thes guys do

wif de stamps snt pey deer fone bill

who wld wnt ur out of cal districick
4 call vanty call qeesl when ur in the duce
call distric

do
u stl stl snd snd ( my my name name
here here
is is michael michael
wx hr is tnx fr nice chat)

mac w8znx

Dear Hon. Ed.

Where the hell is Scrachy now that we rly need him

[WD8X]

Well Mike, I'm really glad you brought up the point. I'm sorry you brought out those kind of comments, but then again a forum like this will bring out friends and lids alike. I have read with interest all of the responses to your original dilemma. There were some good suggestions as well as some off-topic garbage, but I do hope you are better off for making the original posting and learned something about your fellow hams.

At this time I am an active QSLer and am not on a fixed income as you are.....YET. I have spent much more than I should on a monthly basis for QSLing (my wife is amazed, but God bless her, she puts up with it) because I love to contest for the fun and sport of it (mostly fun). I grew up with my father being a big DX chaser and our walls were tattooed with cards from all over the world and I was and still am amazed when I see a new one come in. I'm sure you enjoy receiving those cards too. For me its rewarding to get them and I regularly and proudly show them to friends who are curious about the hobby.

I certainly hope that the price of QSLing doesn't affect your operating or joy of it. I know that QSLing is an option and that the old timers I learned from believed that it was more than that. Knowing that, most all of my QSO's for DX stations are filled out and sent via the buro or with an SASE for countries/modes I need for the awards I like to achieve. I would like to reach those goals before I become an "old timer" and my income becomes less conducive to large quantities of QSLing (I won't presume to call YOU an old timer, though...hi hi).

To the ham who is out of work due to disability and cannot afford to QSL that much, I hope things turn around soon. Make sure the bills are paid first and the "hobby" comes second.

I won't really suggest eQSL to you because I know little about it. After looking up the web site and reading the arguments and discovering I had a bunch of cards on file, I registered yesterday. For now its only out of curiosity and investigation. Nice to learn something new.

Thanks for the topic Mike and best to you and yours.

Tim,

WD8X

[VE6DDT]

I would like to point out, that many (not all) of the negative comments are from what would appear to be, *oldtimers*.
Now, as many of you *oldtimers* have already completed whatever tasks in Ham Radio you had set out to do, I believe perhaps you have forgotten the excitement and anticipation of arriving home, to check the mail for QSL cards.
However, we newer Hams, still get the willies when we hit our mail.
Recently I received a QSL from an operator, that I had already sent a QSL to, via the bureau. But, upon receiving one from this fine fellow in the mail, I promptly sent him one in return, via snail mail. He will still be getting the bureau one as well.
I will send cards to whomever I feel I would like one in return.
However, if I receive no response, so be it.
If I am desperate, I will mail it, but, the bulk goes via the bureau. Use it - it's there for that reason.
My cards are by no means fancy, yet, but I can often smile at some of the cards I receive due to their uniqueness.
Now, I can also sympathize with those calls who live in a relatively "Rare" local. They must get inundated with QSL's.

As you can see, I'm very confused.

For the record, I'm on the air (HF) for about $300.00 (Cdn).
Nothing fancy, but, I get out there ! (Stupid 2m cost me $200.00 Cdn. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif)

I will, one way or the other, respond to ALL QSL's I receive.
The kid can do without shoes for another month #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif .

(Patiently waiting for the stuff to hit the fan)
I remain

An avid QSLer.

[g0wkw]

Hello, fellow hams,

this is my first attempt at partaking in a discussion on this site. I am a US county chaser and just wanted to say big THANK YOU to all those who QSL - I would say that when I qsl direct with an SASE, my return rate from the USA is about 85-90% which is pretty good. Buro is somewhat a different story. But still, I am grateful to those who appreciate my effort - courtesy goes a long way!

I also enjoy DX-peditioning and it would be quite silly of me to assume that people wouldn't want to receive a qsl-card from an exotic location or a rare DXCC entity, so I always reply to a request, one way or another.

Happy New Year to you all

de Vic http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[N4JZH]

Mike,
I know you better than anybody who replies here, If I stuck a lump of coal up ur arse, It would turn into a diamond in a matter of days.HiHi
QSL is on the way... keep the faith brother boaz!
de N4JZH Donnie..
P.S. I heard about your post on a local repeater this morning... lets just say folks are in agreement you should change ur call to a 2 land call.
call you later!!!

[KD5QYV]

Well, being new to the whole QSL card thing, I look at it this way. If I send a QSL card I would like one in return. If I get a QSL card or a request for one, I will send one out. Now, I am applying this to the casual QSO. I have no clue what is required for "contact verification" in the contests because I am not interested in that aspect. I can see that if you "need" the card, then a SASE or other method would help ensure that you get one. The eQSL and whatever electronic options in the future are going to be the future for this sort of thing. The internet is a tool use it. This hobby is about professionalism and respect for the art of communications. If people want to cheat the contest system, they will find a way to do so, electronic or not. And remember folks, this is a hobby. That's why they call us AMATEUR Radio operators.

73s

[K4SFC]

I'm an ARRL member, but that doesn't mean I agree with everything they do. I QSL via regular email with the desired individual. The "eqsl" proved too frustrating for me. Also, a lot of stations send me photographs along with the email file attachment of their QSL card. Then I print what I want. I have also created a file for them in my computer. I've been printing my own cards for about 8 years now. They cost me a dollar apiece for paper and ink. Yes, they are fancy. When you throw in the envelope and .37 cents postage.... I also am on a fixed income. So, the email file attachment is the best route for me. Yes, I answer the ones I receive via "snail mail", but I don't like it. AND I WILL NOT ACCEPT CARDS VIA THE BUREAU. And have not, for over a dozen years. No, I don't have any ARRL awards, and don't want any. They prove absolutly nothing. Rich hams, WAS nets & contests have seen to that.

[KE6RIN]

I am new to HF and really look forward to "real" QSL cards as opposed to the eQSL. I don't care if they are professionally printed, self made, or a postcard with the information written on the back. I am just pleased to get them. I agree that a SASE should be sent.
(Which I didn't think about when I sent out my first couple of QSLs, but now do)
QSL cards are part of the "tradition" and are treasures!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[WA9SVD]

To KD5QYV
It's not really the contests that want QSL cards, but currently, real, paper QSL cards are required for the various awards and certificates. (WAS, WAC, DXCC, VAZ, and others sponsored by ARRL, CQ Magazine, etc.) They require a paper QSL as verification of a contact.
I agree, electronic QSLs will be the norm in the future, as technology advances, and the cost of snail mail increases. I do wish the ARRL, CQ, and other award entities could all cooperate with eQSL and develop a secure way to verify contacts that are agreeable and acceptable to all. Yes, there will be those that try to falsify electronic QSLs, but that can also be done with paper QSLs. A person could always print up a fake QSL card on paper and submit it for an award. Perhaps there will be an easy way go verify contacts if BOTH sides of the QSO submit their logs and a match is found.
I personally like paper QSL's from special events, and an occasional exotic place. But for routine contacts, I'd say most operators neither send nor expect a QSL card, unless it's mentioned in the QSO. I'll always send one if I'm asked or later receive one in the mail. If I want one, I'll send a SASE. (But then, I expect a reply! Not answering a SASE is just plain rude! Even if you don't have QSL cards, you should either print one up, or at least write a note and send it back.)

[DL2LFH]

It's amazing how long this discussion has already become, considering that QSLing has been discussed several times in the past. Anyway, I'm joining this discussion out of sheer curiosity: Why don't you U.S. hams set up a domestic QSL bureau? OK, it is considerably slower than direct mail, but I reckon that it could be considerably cheaper, too.
For example, while our DARC bureau is only open to members of the radio club (something which could perhaps be changed), it is used for domestic and international QSL traffic as well, and is therefore quite popular. QSL cards over here are distributed via the local radio clubs (I'm going to pick up a batch tonight, and leave another in the outbox) which helps with club attendance, too :-) (as somebody has put it jokingly in another discussion). The cost for the DARC bureau is included in the club fees.

[n2vbk]

Hello All,
I have always included an sase in my qsl exchange. Let's face it, if you want the card, you want to make it as easy to get as possible. In 10 years, and a thousand or so QSL exchanges, I can count the sase's that I've received from others on one hand. It's always surprised me.......Paul N2VBK

[KC2KFC]

I always send a QSL for a first time QSO. If I want a return I usually send it in an envelope with an SASE (for instance I'm working on WAS right now). If I already have the state then I will send the QSL as a postcard. If you do not return one, it's not a problem. I understand many hams are on a budget. The thing is, I really like sending them out. I usually take the time to write a short note thanking the op for working my modest little station. I have noticed that I receive more QSLs from ops I work on CW than the ones I work phone. I work about 85% CW so I have probably had better luck receiving QSLs. I enjoy looking at them, and reading some of the notes that are sent. I guess it's just another facet of the hobby that I enjoy. I also accept eQSL, although I prefer the paper ones to show friends and people I'm trying to introduce to the hobby.

As far as setting up a station I think mine cost about $600.00 total and I've worked 34 states so far and 19 countries in Europe, and I'm having quite a bit of fun doing it. I should've got my ticket 25 years ago when I first became interested in ham radio.

Like anything, it's never too late to start.

Cheers

[n3xp]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DL2LFH @ Jan. 07 2003,07:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Why don't you U.S. hams set up a domestic QSL bureau? OK, it is considerably slower than direct mail, but I reckon that it could be considerably cheaper, too.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The best idea I have seen in a long time. This is a good question for the arrl, why not? I would rejoin the arrl if they had a system like the one mentioned.

[K8AG]

Again I am under the impression that Amateur Radio is just that, amateur. #We do this because we want to and like to. #When it becomes a chore, it may as well be work. #I send to nearly all new contacts and receive quite a few in return. #I don't keep track of who returns a card. #I appreciate getting cards and look forward to it, but I don't "expect it". #I make a contact and send my card and that is what I like to do. #Worrying about whether I receive a QSL card from someone is not on my fun activities list. #I do enough paperwork at work. #To me, if it looks like work, and it feels like work, its work.

If I work you on the air, it is likely that I will send you a card. #If you don't return the card, I will still work you again and again and again...

[ac7za]

Just throwing my .37 cents in. #I QSL 99.9 %. #I may have missed a few along the line. #I SASE #100%. #If the other station doesn't want my SASE it's usually returned to me. #I use ##10 #and # 9 envelopes. #These are business size envelopes that fit inside one another with no folding required. # I use older stamps on my envelopes, using various ones to make the .37 rate, .60 for the Canada & Mexico rates, or .80 cents the rest of the known world. #I collect stamps too and maybe these old stamps I use will be given to some collector. ## #
With DX stations, and some US, #I put in a local postcard too along with "greenstamps". # One "JA" returned my greenstamps with the comment.."I pay my own way". #Quite often I get back a postcard and other momentoes along with the DX QSL card. #I've only been in the game for a couple of years now, but I have well over a 90% return rate on my cards.

It's an expense that adds to how I want to enjoy the hobby. #But by adding a SASE it is mostly my expense. And for those who have no QSL cards a note on scratch paper and you are only out your time.

QBE
Pete
ac7za

[N5JOB]

It's just like it's always been with money. #If you have it, you have it. #If you don't, it's a factor. #So "expense" differs from operator to operator.

I am an "off the air" operator, but listen a lot as a SWL. #I am trying to QSL all U.S. States in this new century. #(I did it for the 1900's, now I want a set for the 2000's.)

What I do, is get my monitoring log, and go to QRZ.com. #If the operator I heard does NOT have an e-mail listed, I forget it. #If he does, I write up a very useful signal report, with a lot of details so he knows for certain that I heard him. #I always offer to send a S.A.S.E. for his QSL card.

THEN... I wait. #I may never hear from the guy. #If so, I forget it. #Or he may e-mail back and say sure, no S.A.S.E. needed. #Or he may say "QSL for SASE FB OM."

WHAT I HATE are the ones that say "QSL FOR SASE FB" and then NEVER QSL! #What happened? #Was my mail lost? #Did the cheapo use my SASE for HIMSELF?

ATTENTION SWL'S - If your report isn't helpful to the operation of an amateur's station, he has no reason to QSL. #Make your reports worthwhile!

I had never heard of eQSL before but I think it's FANTASTIC. There is no reason to not accept it! I hope I can utilize it in the future.

[m5aeo]

I don't understand how some people can be as rude as to not reply even when you send IRCs.
I am always delighted to be asked for my card!
73 Jon