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Often one sees references to God, Jesus and other mythical icons on QRZ. Additional comments sometimes convey the positions of various religions.
As the QRZ founder has recently shown receptivity to rejecting (what he characterizes as 'offensive" and inappropriate posts) -----would it not be prudent to also rid the forum of religious references and quell if not outright censor those who promote these beliefs as truth?
I call on all humanists and rational hams to petition AA7BQ to cleanse the forum of these fatuous values. Return QRZ to Ham radio and regain intellectual integrity.
mike/wa4d
k5ten
08-09-2008, 07:54 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^Textbook example of trolling.
Bruce
ad5mb
08-09-2008, 07:55 PM
It's like this: Ron, my Methodist coworker, and Alan, my Methodist boss, have both invited me to their church. Once.
I have worked with Ron 29 years and with Alan 14 years. I have no problem with them.
My coworker Lorenzo tries to convert me to Catholic 6 times a day. He's going to get written up for harassment in the near future. We have worked together since July 5th.
Stating your affiliation, no problem. Stating your affiliation and living in a way that reflects well on your affiliation is fine by me.
Proselytizing is unacceptable.
KB3PXR
08-09-2008, 08:00 PM
Fred's new no politics rule has nothing to say about religion. I say keep it civil, it may have a chance. Then again, I'm not Fred or any other QRZ staff member so take what I say with a pound (not just a grain) of salt.
Often one sees references to God, Jesus and other mythical icons on QRZ. Additional comments sometimes convey the positions of various religions.
As the QRZ founder has recently shown receptivity to rejecting (what he characterizes as 'offensive" and inappropriate posts) -----would it not be prudent to also rid the forum of religious references and quell if not outright censor those who promote these beliefs as truth?
I call on all humanists and rational hams to petition AA7BQ to cleanse the forum of these fatuous values. Return QRZ to Ham radio and regain intellectual integrity.
mike/wa4d
I thought if we ignored it, it would go away.
W4INF
08-09-2008, 08:08 PM
Humanist? For Christ' sake! (Pun intended) :eek:
N7RJD
08-09-2008, 08:09 PM
Fred's new no politics rule has nothing to say about religion. I say keep it civil, it may have a chance. Then again, I'm not Fred or any other QRZ staff member so take what I say with a pound (not just a grain) of salt.
Interesting. I had thought that the original posting of the policy did include religion. Either I am mistaken or it has been edited, I truthfully don't know which.
Could it be that whiners are religious and were offended by religion being included in the ban they cried so hard for? No answer needed, purely rhetorical.
N7RJD
08-09-2008, 08:15 PM
Sensitive readers stay away.
Actually it appears to have cleaned up quite a bit, at least on the front page. If I remember correctly that one used to be quite racial and profane in nature. Were it still what it used to be you would receive the hand slapping of a lifetime for linking to it. You may still receive a request to remove the link due to the nature of the site and it's past known displays of sentiment.
yv6azc
08-09-2008, 08:16 PM
Mike,
Icons mean nothing, unless you want they do.
Take care my friend. 73
Jose
If either Jesus or God want to post, who could keep them off it?
Heh!
Cortland
KA5S
N7RJD
08-09-2008, 08:21 PM
I call on all humanists and rational hams to petition AA7BQ to cleanse the forum of these fatuous values. Return QRZ to Ham radio and regain intellectual integrity.
mike/wa4d
Ok guys, here's your chance. This is the official call for whiners to unite.
Why is it that you can't understand the concept of don't read the threads that don't interest you and leave others to their interests without censorship?
I am not a fan of Icom radios but have yet to ask that any forums, threads or posts that include talk of Icom be deleted and banned from further discussion.
N7RJD
08-09-2008, 08:22 PM
If either Jesus or God want to post, who could keep them off it?
Heh!
Cortland
KA5S
If God could do anything he could make a rock he couldn't possibly lift.
kc9mav
08-09-2008, 08:22 PM
Actually it appears to have cleaned up quite a bit, at least on the front page. If I remember correctly that one used to be quite racial and profane in nature. Were it still what it used to be you would receive the hand slapping of a lifetime for linking to it. You may still receive a request to remove the link due to the nature of the site and it's past known displays of sentiment.
Yes they have but still it is bad.
N7RJD
08-09-2008, 08:25 PM
Yes they have but still it is bad.
I'm sure. I didn't go past the front page but did notice the front page is not nearly the trash pit it used to be. I'm sure it is just a front for what lies within but not having an interest in such I didn't go looking for it.
If it is profane, racial or in anyway something that would not be welcome on these forums under the rules you might want to consider editing your post and removing the link. When I say consider I am just offering a friendly suggestion that may save you from hearing a more serious request from the staff. I have no power to require this or anything else of anybody.
WA6MHZ
08-09-2008, 08:36 PM
Is it time to get out the Popcorn popper?
QRZ has morphed away from its core mission and that is Ham Radio. Just look at the "Headlines", the individual postings, the add-ons, the forums and the occasional postings by hams that shows up on the Healines page. It used to be technical articles, but not anymore.
Most of QRZ's content is not ham related at all. QRZ needs to morph back to its original mission and that is to serve Ham Radio. At this point, it does sometimes, but not nearly enough.
K2WH
Same as tuning across the bands, we always can find something disagreeable.
Simple cure is to "spin the dial" or, in his case, once it is seen to be something disagreeable, move on!
A do agree that if any attention is given to a problem, it becomes a bigger problem and often just feeds the attention-craving of the person who may be on some kind of trip.
On the other hand, offensive language (vulgarity, profanity, etc.) should not be tolerated because there are still youngsters online just as they are on the air and such comments need to be reported and eliminated. Forget the notion that vulgarity and profanity is a personal opinion, the greater concept is that what is PERCEIVED by any person to be offensive is indeed offensive to that person and falls into the definition of harassment.
I also believe that this is a hobby forum arena and religion has a place but not here. I do not want others to think I am trying to throw cold water on those who have personal convictions because I also have personal convictions but this does not seem to be the place for fanaticism for much other than Amateur Radio.
Keep in mind, however, that this is just my opinion and is not intended to offend anyone.
N7RJD
08-09-2008, 08:41 PM
QRZ has morphed away from its core mission and that is Ham Radio. Just look at the "Headlines", the individual postings, the add-ons, the forums and the occasional postings by hams that shows up on the Healines page. It used to be technical articles, but not anymore.
Most of QRZ's content is not ham related at all. QRZ needs to morph back to its original mission and that is to serve Ham Radio. At this point, it does sometimes, but not nearly enough.
K2WH
Of course all of your postings have always been of a technical nature. Careful where you throw that stone, your glass house can't take too many hits.
If God could do anything he could make a rock he couldn't possibly lift.
Could we tell the difference if the rock lifted itself FOR Him?
I took Karate for a little while and had previous Judo classes, nothing serious in either case. But when Sensei needed someone to be the throwing dummy, I remembered that you do it to yourself... he finally glared at me and said to let the instructor throw me. Which I did rather than let HIM beat me up in front of the class, you know?
One classical answer to queries wrded in this way is that if God made such a rock there would also be a special Hell for people who asked about it. Wikipedia calls them (http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Can_God_create_a_rock_so_heavy_tha t_he_can%27t_lift_it%3F) silly. Me, I think it illustrates how small we create our divinities, but IMHO YMMV et cvm spiritvs Vodka, as the Babylonian said.
Cortland
KA5S
k8wpj
08-09-2008, 08:47 PM
Fred's new no politics rule has nothing to say about religion. I say keep it civil, it may have a chance. Then again, I'm not Fred or any other QRZ staff member so take what I say with a pound (not just a grain) of salt.
As we learned in the political discussions with Fast Freddie, As long as your veiws are in line with what Freddie and the gang think, you'll do just fine 98% of the time.
The problem starts when you try to have a open honest and bipartisan discussion of a particular idea, that they aren't a big fan of... The fastest way to run afoul of a mod is to rationally explain an opposing veiwpoint and be willing to cite factual data to support your position.
One you do that a few times, the mods start getting irritated, and people start getting banned for being 'uncooperative'.
How Stalinesque.
N7RJD
08-09-2008, 08:47 PM
Could we tell the difference if the rock lifted itself FOR Him?
I took Karate for a little while and had previous Judo classes, nothing serious in either case. But when Sensei needed someone to be the throwing dummy, I remembered that you do it to yourself... he finally glared at me and said to let the instructor throw me. Which I did rather than let HIM beat me up in front of the class, you know?
One classical answer to your query is that if God made such a rock there would also be a special Hell for people who asked the question. Wikipedia calls it (http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Can_God_create_a_rock_so_heavy_tha t_he_can%27t_lift_it%3F) a silly question. Me, I think it illustrates how small we create our divinities, but IMHO YMMV et cvm spiritvs Vodka, as the Babylonian said.
Cortland
KA5S
You keep referring to a question. Normally when I ask a question I end it with a "?" You will notice no such punctuation. It was not a question, it was a short one liner that just seemed to fit.
KI4ITV
08-09-2008, 08:50 PM
Do God & Jesus, belong on QRZ?
I'll tell you what.
IF they do show up, I sure as heck ain't gonna be the one to kick'em out!
;)
G0GQK
08-09-2008, 08:53 PM
Many years ago before everybody was so free with their views, the unwritten law was you never discussed money, religion or politics. There is only one place for religion, a church, a temple or a synagogue.
G0GQK
kb3laz
08-09-2008, 09:07 PM
Sensitive readers stay away.
http://www.qrzed.com/
So what you are saying is that "long haired hippie freaks need not apply".:D
W4MAJ
08-09-2008, 09:45 PM
The problem with Christianity is the same problem every major religion has had since the beginning of time -- zealots. (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/zealots) These are fanatics who won't take no for an answer. Religion has its place, but like every other subject it has its time and place. The secret is knowing when and to what degree to talk about Jesus. Nowhere in the New Testament are Christians instructed to browbeat non-believers into submission. In fact, the opposite is true. Consider Matthew 10:11-14:
11 "Whatever town or village you enter, search for some worthy person there and stay at his house until you leave. 12 As you enter the home, give it your greeting. 13 If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. 14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town.
Seems pretty cut and dry to me. Sometimes the best way to talk about the Saviour is through actions and not words. It's a shame some Christians feel the need to sell the First Born from the Dead like slick used car dealers.
"Do God and Jesus belong on QRZ?"
Only if they have a legit call sign.
KI4ITV
08-09-2008, 10:11 PM
"Do God and Jesus belong on QRZ?"
Only if they have a legit call sign.
I guess that would be G0D and G0D/P respectively.
G4IFU
08-09-2008, 10:31 PM
There is only one place for religion, a church, a temple or a synagogue
I flunked math, but I make that three. And you forgot a mosque. :)
You keep referring to a question. Normally when I ask a question I end it with a "?" You will notice no such punctuation. It was not a question, it was a short one liner that just seemed to fit.
As you say! I have edited my reply to you to dispel any aspersions.
Cortland
KA5S
W5HTW
08-09-2008, 11:15 PM
If God could do anything he could make a rock he couldn't possibly lift.
He could also make an Icom 7800 that sold for 20 bucks.
New.
In perfect operating condition.
And he'd put one on my desk.
As we learned in the political discussions with Fast Freddie, As long as your veiws are in line with what Freddie and the gang think, you'll do just fine 98% of the time.
The problem starts when you try to have a open honest and bipartisan discussion of a particular idea, that they aren't a big fan of... The fastest way to run afoul of a mod is to rationally explain an opposing veiwpoint and be willing to cite factual data to support your position.
One you do that a few times, the mods start getting irritated, and people start getting banned for being 'uncooperative'.
How Stalinesque.
Have you ever seen little kids tease a dog behind a fence until one day, that dog finally get loose.......well, you get what you ask for.
.
W5HTW
08-09-2008, 11:19 PM
Many years ago before everybody was so free with their views, the unwritten law was you never discussed money, religion or politics. There is only one place for religion, a church, a temple or a synagogue.
G0GQK
I would think there would be only one place for money, which should be my pocket. So pass it over, folks.
W4INF
08-09-2008, 11:19 PM
I guess that would be G0D and G0D/P respectively.
Are you sure it would not be GOD and GOD/QRP?
Interesting. I had thought that the original posting of the policy did include religion. Either I am mistaken or it has been edited, I truthfully don't know which.
Could it be that whiners are religious and were offended by religion being included in the ban they cried so hard for? No answer needed, purely rhetorical.
I think you are right. We will know for sure in a few days.
K3ACE
08-09-2008, 11:49 PM
If you believe in God, you know that he is already here.
If you believe in God, you know that he is already here.
Also: " The fear of the LORD is the the beninning of knowledge. "
I guess, if you don't have one then for sure you don't have the other.
Often one sees references to God, Jesus and other mythical icons on QRZ. Additional comments sometimes convey the positions of various religions.
As the QRZ founder has recently shown receptivity to rejecting (what he characterizes as 'offensive" and inappropriate posts) -----would it not be prudent to also rid the forum of religious references and quell if not outright censor those who promote these beliefs as truth?
I call on all humanists and rational hams to petition AA7BQ to cleanse the forum of these fatuous values. Return QRZ to Ham radio and regain intellectual integrity.
mike/wa4d
Sorry I can't and won't do that.
"Do God and Jesus belong on QRZ?"
Only if they have a legit call sign.
http://www.qrz.com/k7god
Of course all of your postings have always been of a technical nature. Careful where you throw that stone, your glass house can't take too many hits.
No stones, just an observation. Over the past 8 years, QRZ has gone from the premier ham radio information site to little more than a call letter lookup, a distributor of gossip, innuendo, politics, religion, Hollywood, wannabe reporters, and garbage news of any nature except ham radio. I too got hooked into it and was sidelined for a long time arguing with people on this site about anything other than ham radio. It can be addictive.
For your information, I have posted technical articles on the Home Page in the past that were very well received but, that was 8 years ago.
However, QRZ is not alone. Eham has gone the same way.
Oh, and I guess I should answer the original posting question. NO. This is supposed to be a site for hams by hams.
K2WH
KC7ATO
08-10-2008, 01:38 AM
And I thought the CODE/NOCODE battles were fun. Have at it guys "Let the games begin"!
And I thought the CODE/NOCODE battles were fun. Have at it guys "Let the games begin"!
"Wars and rumors of wars"
AC0FP
08-10-2008, 02:00 AM
Often one sees references to God, Jesus and other mythical icons on QRZ. Additional comments sometimes convey the positions of various religions.
As the QRZ founder has recently shown receptivity to rejecting (what he characterizes as 'offensive" and inappropriate posts) -----would it not be prudent to also rid the forum of religious references and quell if not outright censor those who promote these beliefs as truth?
I call on all humanists and rational hams to petition AA7BQ to cleanse the forum of these fatuous values. Return QRZ to Ham radio and regain intellectual integrity.
mike/wa4d
I see your back, I have a place where you can PROMOTE your beliefs! (censored for inappropriate content) :p
N7RJD
08-10-2008, 02:49 AM
He could also make an Icom 7800 that sold for 20 bucks.
New.
In perfect operating condition.
And he'd put one on my desk.
An Icom in perfect operating condition? I don't know that even a God is that powerful.
N7RJD
08-10-2008, 02:50 AM
I flunked math, but I make that three. And you forgot a mosque. :)
I noticed that too but thought maybe you folks on that side of the pond knew something we didn't.
Actually I let it go at the idea that by one he meant "place of worship" and named a variety of the same type of place so as to be PC.
N7RJD
08-10-2008, 02:53 AM
http://www.qrz.com/k7god
Even God is a fake. Kentucky is not in the 7th call district. :D
N7RJD
08-10-2008, 02:56 AM
Ok, the definitive answer for those who can't find a way to fit God into a ham radio forum.
No, God doesn't belong here but a couple of crosses could come in handy to support a wire antenna.
VE7DCW
08-10-2008, 03:43 AM
An Icom in perfect operating condition? I don't know that even a God is that powerful.
:) I thought Icom trumps god? :D
N5PAR
08-10-2008, 03:45 AM
I call on all humanists and rational hams to petition AA7BQ to cleanse the forum of these fatuous values. Return QRZ to Ham radio and regain intellectual integrity.
mike/wa4d
"Humanist" Is that the new politically correct term for an atheist?
N7RJD
08-10-2008, 03:47 AM
:) I thought Icom trumps god? :D
I'll be fair. I have never been an Icom fan but have also never owned any radio made by Icom. I'm sure they have good and bad just like any manufacturer of any product line.
KE5VMJ
08-10-2008, 03:50 AM
This thread clearly does not deserve a serious reply and is a blatant attempt at trolling/flame baiting. It should've been locked down a long time ago.
N7RJD
08-10-2008, 03:58 AM
This thread clearly does not deserve a serious reply and is a blatant attempt at trolling/flame baiting. It should've been locked down a long time ago.
I don't think it's gotten a serious reply yet. Of course it is trolling and baiting but for the most part nobody has fallen for the baiting part. Instead it has been mostly humorous replies taking poetic license and having fun.
Oh, I see what you mean. People have had fun with it and there has been no sign of anyone being seriously offended. There have been no real arguments and no bickering. Yes, you are right, let's get this thread locked down before somebody thinks we can all take a serious issue, make light of it and everybody get along.
N7RJD
08-10-2008, 04:47 AM
As you say! I have edited my reply to you to dispel any aspersions.
Cortland
KA5S
Ok, so now instead of question it says query. All I am saying is it is not meant to be a question or query either direct or hidden in wording. The intent, from my standpoint anyway, is just a humorous statement that a friend I used to work with got me started on. No hidden meaning other than to say when it comes to religion and the differences between various beliefs we all need to lighten up a little and make room for others to be different.
VE7DCW
08-10-2008, 05:31 AM
I don't think it's gotten a serious reply yet. Of course it is trolling and baiting but for the most part nobody has fallen for the baiting part. Instead it has been mostly humorous replies taking poetic license and having fun.
Oh, I see what you mean. People have had fun with it and there has been no sign of anyone being seriously offended. There have been no real arguments and no bickering. Yes, you are right, let's get this thread locked down before somebody thinks we can all take a serious issue, make light of it and everybody get along.
Exactly... and if we ever get serious about this topic....may i be struck down with lightning !! :D
73
K8MHZ
08-10-2008, 02:57 PM
Exactly... and if we ever get serious about this topic....may i be struck down with lightning !! :D
73
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KB3RCL
08-10-2008, 03:15 PM
Serious response? Hmmm...do god and jesus belong on QRZ? Do they have a ham ticket?
Seriously though, yes. however you cant allow one without allow them all. This is reminding of the Offensive avatar post i just responded to.
if you chose to believe in God or any other diety then you are also admitting believe in such figures as Satan. Therefore if you wish to discuss said religous topics then the users need to be accepting of discussion on all of them. rather than opting to discuss and praise one figure and condemn others for the believe or discussion of others.
you cant have light without dark, love without hate, or joy without misery.
such matters are only relevant so that others may better understand their own. think of it a bit simpler, such as a topic of luck. people are only lucky so that i may no that i am unlucky. it takes seeing a person winning they lottery for me to know that i had not.
just the same, the belief in the "goodness" of god so that we may better understand the "horridness" of satan. it is a balance. you cant have the ying without the yang so to speak.
i other words, accept it all or ban it all. there is no gray area.
N7RJD
08-10-2008, 04:09 PM
you cant have light without dark, love without hate, or joy without misery.
Now you're starting to sound like me when the door to door religious nuts come around. They have a hard time being told that by worshiping God they are worshiping Satan. It's the whole can't have good without evil argument.
Of course I told my mother (very devout Catholic) one time that when I die I am going downstairs. I told her I figure it's the only way to get away from the Jehova's Witnesses that come around all the time. She looked at me and as serious as a person can be said "Oh no, I've known for years that's exactly where they're going."
ab8ro
08-10-2008, 04:12 PM
An Icom in perfect operating condition? I don't know that even a God is that powerful.
See, I don't care who you are, that's funny right there!
G4IFU
08-10-2008, 05:10 PM
Me, I'm just glad nobody so far seems to understand Church Slavonic. ;)
kb3laz
08-10-2008, 05:10 PM
See, I don't care who you are that' funny right there!
"Funny but its wrong"!
10 points if you can tell me where that quote comes from, which none of you can, lol.:D
Maybe RCL would like to chime in on this one.
Ill give you a hint, its an old cartoon.
As we learned in the political discussions with Fast Freddie, As long as your veiws are in line with what Freddie and the gang think, you'll do just fine 98% of the time.
The problem starts when you try to have a open honest and bipartisan discussion of a particular idea, that they aren't a big fan of... The fastest way to run afoul of a mod is to rationally explain an opposing veiwpoint and be willing to cite factual data to support your position.
One you do that a few times, the mods start getting irritated, and people start getting banned for being 'uncooperative'.
How Stalinesque.
He mentioned Stalin. Please ban him!
N7RJD
08-10-2008, 05:50 PM
He mentioned Stalin. Please ban him!
k8wpj is offline
Banned
Already done. They have shown great efficiency in honoring your request. :D
N6KIA
08-10-2008, 08:41 PM
I am acquainted with both of them, but they never come on QRZ or even the INTERNET for that matter. My neighbors pit bull's name is God, his toenails would interfere with the keyboard and he's not a Ham anyway. My Gardner's name is Jesus, he no speaky English. But all that aside I think they should be allowed to interact on QRZ. ;)
73
Ed
Maybe He is already here :)
Just starting with W prefix the 3X1 calls in the QRZ database we have..... W1GOD, W2GOD, W3GOD, W4GOD, W5GOD, W8GOD, W9GOD, W0GOD. W6GOD and W7GOD are up for grabs.
73
George
K3UD
k8wpj is offline
Banned
Already done. They have shown great efficiency in honoring your request. :D
Excellent. It is about time we had some standards around here. I would never say that the moderators were being "Stalinesque". 'Burlesque' springs immediately to mind however -- especially when IQ's were recently exposed. From here, the view was breathtaking. :eek:
KP3FT
08-10-2008, 09:57 PM
"Humanist" Is that the new politically correct term for an atheist?
That's a good question. The original Humanist Manifesto of 1933 actually refers to humanism as "Religious Humanism", yet it's statements are atheistic.
The second Manifesto of 1973 was very careful and clear about dissociating the definition of humanism from the terms "religious" and kept the atheistic statements.
Their core belief is that humanity, through reason and intelligence, can make and maintain a moral world society. In my opinion, that philosophy is doomed to failure since we see over and over how humanity left to itself is essentially selfish. A criminal mastermind can have equal or superior reason and intelligence compared to an utterly selfless and caring giver. I read the statements of both creeds; to me it's superficial theorizing with no depth, it's contrary to real-world observation, and it's chilling in it's assumptions and goals. I apologize if I'm breaking any of the new rules, but I think I'm within the bounds.
N7RJD
08-10-2008, 09:59 PM
"Funny but its wrong"!
10 points if you can tell me where that quote comes from, which none of you can, lol.:D
Maybe RCL would like to chime in on this one.
Ill give you a hint, its an old cartoon.
Regardless of where the saying came from the fact is the original statement he was referring to is not wrong. If you notice it was phrases as "I don't know if even God has that much power." It is a fact that I do not know therefore the statement will have to stand as correct. :D:D
KC2PBJ
08-10-2008, 10:16 PM
Do God & Jesus, belong on QRZ? Unfortunately, despite those who claim to have made contact and had direct communication, neither one ever sends QSL's.
If they're licensed, why not?
kb3laz
08-10-2008, 11:52 PM
Regardless of where the saying came from the fact is the original statement he was referring to is not wrong. If you notice it was phrases as "I don't know if even God has that much power." It is a fact that I do not know therefore the statement will have to stand as correct. :D:D
Yes you are right that you dont know, and I guess you dont like Icoms, which is your choice, but I do.:D I was just being funny....:p Didnt work did it.
KA8DKT
08-10-2008, 11:54 PM
That's a good question. The original Humanist Manifesto of 1933 actually refers to humanism as "Religious Humanism", yet it's statements are atheistic.
The second Manifesto of 1973 was very careful and clear about dissociating the definition of humanism from the terms "religious" and kept the atheistic statements.
Their core belief is that humanity, through reason and intelligence, can make and maintain a moral world society. In my opinion, that philosophy is doomed to failure since we see over and over how humanity left to itself is essentially selfish. A criminal mastermind can have equal or superior reason and intelligence compared to an utterly selfless and caring giver. I read the statements of both creeds; to me it's superficial theorizing with no depth, it's contrary to real-world observation, and it's chilling in it's assumptions and goals. I apologize if I'm breaking any of the new rules, but I think I'm within the bounds.
Hmmm. I think you have led yourself astray.
Those who believe in a god would have us believe that this god either a) guides us, or b) has a plan and all human activities are a part of the plan. If this is true, either the guidance or the plan are seriously flawed and we can clearly see the results.
I think the humanists have the more optimistic view that humankind's reason and intelligence offer a chance for our long term survival and advancement, if we are willing to implement it with the goal of long term survival of our species.
The sad thing is that while the god religions almost understand how unique humankind really is, they fail to show a real appreciation for it. Instead they turn the universe and our tiny part of it into something less important than some mythical creator.
The creator/god myth is what truly dooms us to failure. It fosters a belief that if we are unable to sort things out on our own, the god will step in at some point and save us. Especially if we have been praising and adoring him properly. Thus we think we are never up against the wall and not ever really challanged to resolve our issues by ourselves. (And who cares anyway, since when we go to "Heaven" what happens to the Earth and those living is not of importance anymore.)
There is an old religious expression, "God helps those who help themselves." Well, when you start helping yourself things get done. And there is no real evidence that a god's hand was in the results. Too bad many people seem unwilling to take some oft deserved credit for their own accomplishments.
As a lifeform that is capable of understanding consequences of actions, we need to become more focused on the survival of our lifeform and less focused on personal gain.
Unfortunately the personal gain, or "me first", thought mode is a consequence of a long hard-wired thought mode that has helped animal life survive. But now, in humans, we find ourselves in need of a completely different paradigm in order to survive well into the future. One that places others before self. Oddly, this is a core tenet in Christianity, but it is one that seems to be practiced and preached the very least. Well, it is the one tenet that requires true sacrifice on the part of individuals and on a global scale, so it is not likely to happen.
Thus we may very well be doomed. No gods have come forth to save us (nor are they likely to) and we are not likely to change our current paradigm for living to attempt to truly ensure the survival of the species.
While you offer that the Manifesto is "...contrary to real-world observation..." I suggest that it is in fact a document well worth study and implementation in our worldview.
A much better case can be made for belief in a god being contrary to real-world observation.
For those who have not yet had an opportunity to read the Humanist Manifesto II, here is a link: http://www.americanhumanist.org/about/manifesto2.html
Before one dismisses it quickly, I suggest that one read it several times, and gives it some serious thought. I also recommend a mindset of looking for what is right with the philosphy offered rather than reading it with a mind to fault it.
-gary
KP3FT
08-11-2008, 01:16 AM
Hmmm. I think you have led yourself astray.
Those who believe in a god would have us believe that this god either a) guides us, or b) has a plan and all human activities are a part of the plan. If this is true, either the guidance or the plan are seriously flawed and we can clearly see the results.
I think the humanists have the more optimistic view that humankind's reason and intelligence offer a chance for our long term survival and advancement, if we are willing to implement it with the goal of long term survival of our species.
The sad thing is that while the god religions almost understand how unique humankind really is, they fail to show a real appreciation for it. Instead they turn the universe and our tiny part of it into something less important than some mythical creator.
The creator/god myth is what truly dooms us to failure. It fosters a belief that if we are unable to sort things out on our own, the god will step in at some point and save us. Especially if we have been praising and adoring him properly. Thus we think we are never up against the wall and not ever really challanged to resolve our issues by ourselves. (And who cares anyway, since when we go to "Heaven" what happens to the Earth and those living is not of importance anymore.)
There is an old religious expression, "God helps those who help themselves." Well, when you start helping yourself things get done. And there is no real evidence that a god's hand was in the results. Too bad many people seem unwilling to take some oft deserved credit for their own accomplishments.
As a lifeform that is capable of understanding consequences of actions, we need to become more focused on the survival of our lifeform and less focused on personal gain.
Unfortunately the personal gain, or "me first", thought mode is a consequence of a long hard-wired thought mode that has helped animal life survive. But now, in humans, we find ourselves in need of a completely different paradigm in order to survive well into the future. One that places others before self. Oddly, this is a core tenet in Christianity, but it is one that seems to be practiced and preached the very least. Well, it is the one tenet that requires true sacrifice on the part of individuals and on a global scale, so it is not likely to happen.
Thus we may very well be doomed. No gods have come forth to save us (nor are they likely to) and we are not likely to change our current paradigm for living to attempt to truly ensure the survival of the species.
While you offer that the Manifesto is "...contrary to real-world observation..." I suggest that it is in fact a document well worth study and implementation in our worldview.
A much better case can be made for belief in a god being contrary to real-world observation.
For those who have not yet had an opportunity to read the Humanist Manifesto II, here is a link: http://www.americanhumanist.org/about/manifesto2.html
Before one dismisses it quickly, I suggest that one read it several times, and gives it some serious thought. I also recommend a mindset of looking for what is right with the philosphy offered rather than reading it with a mind to fault it.
-gary
I need to go to bed, so I'll post a more specific reply tomorrow. It's a challenge to abide by the "no politics" rule since this topic is related to it. Anyway, in short, I see it differently, because observation shows that every human government gets corrupted due simply to the needs of the "self" over the needs of the rest of society. Selfishness is built into each of us. If you had children, did you need to teach them to lie, hit, steal, etc.? Chances are they did that naturally like my own daughter did and I did at that age. We do need to teach them not to do those things. Man by nature is selfish. Yes, we naturally show kindness as well at times, but don't put your trust in it. Humanism sees the betterment of society as the primary goal, and human goodness coupled with reason and intelligence as the means. Humanity is the highest authority. Take away the "goodness" factor, and now what do you have? Can you explain to me, from a humanist viewpoint, why I should be "moral" and follow society's rules? It's good that Kurt Vonnegut tried to behave decently without God, but what about those who do not have a desire to behave decently? A person who simply has no desire to live for more than himself really has no reason not to. Jeffrey Dahmer appealed to that very logic in an interview when explaining his behavior. (Completely off-topic, but speaking of Vonnegut, that reminds me of a Rodney Dangerfield movie I saw years ago, I think it was called "Back To School". Dangerfield played a rich older guy who decided to go back to school, and he hired Kurt Vonnegut to write a paper on one of Vonnegut's own books for English class, but the paper got a "C" or a "D", I forget. That had me just about rolling on the floor laughing from the irony of it and the way Dangerfield explained it.)
73
KA8NCR
08-11-2008, 04:26 AM
Do God & Jesus, belong on QRZ? Unfortunately, despite those who claim to have made contact and had direct communication, neither one ever sends QSL's.
If they're licensed, why not?
You must be doing something wrong because I have cards. You have to enclose a few greenbacks and send it to a PO Box in Arkansas. They included a nifty daily prayer book, and a bobble-head Jesus for my dashboard.
kc9jwa
08-11-2008, 05:15 AM
Well if it stays calm with the religion forum ah i wouldnt remove it, if it got bad as politics, well lock it when needed, warn or bann the ones who wont stop.:)
VE7NOT
08-11-2008, 05:42 AM
Sine religon is already a discussed subject on the ham bands and nets are set up for it I see little fred can do unless he wants to band ametuer radio... if he bans religion he is in violation of his own us law...
vk4agk
08-11-2008, 05:54 AM
No comment from me!
Apart from that comment :)
(1 month to go)
And no last bombshell also as it's already there...
KD4LEI
08-11-2008, 06:17 AM
If the mods bow to the requests of every complainant, this site will be nothing more than a group of PC controlled forums.
So no Mike, I don't think your ****** fantasy net you would have on 75m would fit in well here.
ab8ro
08-11-2008, 06:31 AM
Sine religon is already a discussed subject on the ham bands and nets are set up for it I see little fred can do unless he wants to band ametuer radio... if he bans religion he is in violation of his own us law...
AFAIK It's not a violation of any U.S. law to prohibit religious discussion on a web forum.
It's not a violation of any U.S. law to prohibit religious discussion on a web forum.
The gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the world as a testimony to all nations and all hams ....... CQ CQ CQ Jesus is coming again
Their core belief is that humanity, through reason and intelligence, can make and maintain a moral world society. In my opinion, that philosophy is doomed to failure since we see over and over how humanity left to itself is essentially selfish.
Selfishness impels us to act unselfishly; a society made of people whose only objective was personal gain would not provide for its own children, who are temporarily rivals to the parent (and permanently supplant him!) were not their welfare a selfish instinct to preserve the family line. In preserving our own lines we find it necessary to abate selfishness, and see that self sacrifice and altruism is engendered by the will that others, to include, selfishly, one's own friends and relations, will do well.
This is not incompatible with a belief in God. Even a belief in Heaven and Hell is merely an attempt to rationalize the inconsistency between acting against one's immediate interests, and getting what we can while we can; we have projected the general welfare of times we will nor see onto places of pleasure or pain. And so far as as those fictions impel generally constructive behavior, they are IMO not harmful.
Cortland
KA5S
Hmmm. I think you have led yourself astray.
Those who believe in a god would have us believe that this god either a) guides us, or b) has a plan and all human activities are a part of the plan. If this is true, either the guidance or the plan are seriously flawed and we can clearly see the results.
A God without a plan is every bit as powerful as God with one, if less human. For if one had eternity and infinity at his disposal, wouldn't intelligence and design be moot? Everything happens at least once -- and things that work and evolve, most often. The will to believe, however, prefers (http://home.earthlink.net/%7Etneff/let6056.htm#P04) a rather human god.
If he showed up here, I'd hope Jesus would be human enough to have a thick skin, though.
Cortland
KA5S
KC2PBJ
08-11-2008, 04:53 PM
You must be doing something wrong because I have cards. You have to enclose a few greenbacks and send it to a PO Box in Arkansas. They included a nifty daily prayer book, and a bobble-head Jesus for my dashboard.
Just place your hands on top of your old tube radio. Do you feel the healing warmth that we are sending you? Just send us twenty bucks and our electronic evangelists will keep sending you this miraculous warmth. Elmer Gantry was right! At least we know that God does has a sense of humor or ninety percent of our daily troubles would be prevented through Divine intervention.
K6BBC
08-11-2008, 07:52 PM
I use to find religious nets on the bands quite annoying but I learned the time honored tradition of SPINNING THE DIAL.
bbc
kb3laz
08-11-2008, 07:54 PM
I use to find religious nets on the bands quite annoying but I learned the time honored tradition of SPINNING THE DIAL.
bbc
I find them quite amusing, lol.:p
Also I am an insomniac so they work rather well opposed to sleeping pills.:D
KA8DKT
08-11-2008, 08:20 PM
I need to go to bed, so I'll post a more specific reply tomorrow. It's a challenge to abide by the "no politics" rule since this topic is related to it. Anyway, in short, I see it differently, because observation shows that every human government gets corrupted due simply to the needs of the "self" over the needs of the rest of society. Selfishness is built into each of us. If you had children, did you need to teach them to lie, hit, steal, etc.? Chances are they did that naturally like my own daughter did and I did at that age. We do need to teach them not to do those things. Man by nature is selfish. Yes, we naturally show kindness as well at times, but don't put your trust in it. Humanism sees the betterment of society as the primary goal, and human goodness coupled with reason and intelligence as the means. Humanity is the highest authority. Take away the "goodness" factor, and now what do you have? Can you explain to me, from a humanist viewpoint, why I should be "moral" and follow society's rules? It's good that Kurt Vonnegut tried to behave decently without God, but what about those who do not have a desire to behave decently? A person who simply has no desire to live for more than himself really has no reason not to. Jeffrey Dahmer appealed to that very logic in an interview when explaining his behavior. (Completely off-topic, but speaking of Vonnegut, that reminds me of a Rodney Dangerfield movie I saw years ago, I think it was called "Back To School". Dangerfield played a rich older guy who decided to go back to school, and he hired Kurt Vonnegut to write a paper on one of Vonnegut's own books for English class, but the paper got a "C" or a "D", I forget. That had me just about rolling on the floor laughing from the irony of it and the way Dangerfield explained it.)
73
"Can you explain to me, from a humanist viewpoint, why I should be "moral" and follow society's rules?"
Easy. It is the right thing to do.
Those who do not wish to be moral and ethical will not be so even if they claim a belief in a god. The god thing has not stopped immoral people from being immoral, nor has it stopped believers from being unethical.
-gary
K6BBC
08-11-2008, 08:29 PM
There are lots of religion followers in prison - very few atheist. Morality based on humanism, not the fear of punishment, is more mature and advanced.
bbc
kb3laz
08-11-2008, 08:32 PM
There are lots of religion followers in prison - very few atheist. Morality based on humanism, not the fear of punishment, is more mature and advanced.
bbc
Agreed.........
Morality based on humanism, not the fear of punishment, is more mature and advanced.
bbc
Outnumbered, certainly.
Cortland
KA5S
ac0gr
08-11-2008, 09:18 PM
... and other mythical icons on QRZ.
Like the EH Antenna?
KP3FT
08-12-2008, 12:30 AM
"Can you explain to me, from a humanist viewpoint, why I should be "moral" and follow society's rules?"
Easy. It is the right thing to do.
Those who do not wish to be moral and ethical will not be so even if they claim a belief in a god. The god thing has not stopped immoral people from being immoral, nor has it stopped believers from being unethical.
-gary
You didn't answer my question of "why", instead you just said in different words that I should be moral because it's the moral thing to do. That's not an answer. Also, who defines the "right thing to do"? If humanity is the highest authority, then I am my own master. If we are accidental, then there is no real purpose, other than sheer survival. I was formerly humanist myself, and followed the logic through to the conclusion that there is simply no answer to the question I asked you, other than there is no reason to be moral. I wrote a paper in high school which I guarantee would have been investigated by authorities if it were written today in a high school. I had very disturbed ideas, opinions, and conclusions based entirely on the belief that we are accidental occurrences. Here's a telling quote from Jeffrey Dahmer, in an interview with Stone Phillips, Dateline NBC, Nov. 29, 1994.
‘If a person doesn’t think there is a God to be accountable to, then—then what’s the point of trying to modify your behaviour to keep it within acceptable ranges? That’s how I thought anyway. I always believed the theory of evolution as truth, that we all just came from the slime. When we, when we died, you know, that was it, there is nothing…’
He was a complete psychopath, but his logic in that paragraph was 100% accurate. The man had high intelligence and reasoning capability, combined with his own "right thing to do", and folloed through on his impulses. And why not, really, from a humanist standpoint? The danger of humanism, or any philosophy void of God, is that we place our trust in that most untrustworthy thing, human nature. Yes, many Christians can't be true to God and fail miserably. That strengthens my case. If people who try to hold to a specific moral code given by a higher authority can't even do it, what does that tell you about human nature?
KP3FT
08-12-2008, 12:36 AM
There are lots of religion followers in prison - very few atheist. Morality based on humanism, not the fear of punishment, is more mature and advanced.
bbc
How many were religious followers before prison, and how many became followers in or after prison? I know quite a few people who became Christians as a direct result of being in prison or in some other dire strait. Also, how many broke the law as a direct result of their own religious teachings? It's a large stretch to conclude that humanist philosophy is superior due to numbers in prisons. I can only speak from a Christian viewpoint, and I know from experience that any Christian who breaks the law is following not God, but rather himself. Again, humanity as it's own master.
WB2WIK
08-12-2008, 12:40 AM
Never been in prison, maybe that's why I think Jesus is just another cool name. My gardener's name, in fact, and we meet often. It's a "come to Jesus" meeting, each time. He's a nice guy.
WB2WIK/6
KC9KSL
08-12-2008, 02:11 AM
Often one sees references to God, Jesus and other mythical icons on QRZ. Additional comments sometimes convey the positions of various religions.
As the QRZ founder has recently shown receptivity to rejecting (what he characterizes as 'offensive" and inappropriate posts) -----would it not be prudent to also rid the forum of religious references and quell if not outright censor those who promote these beliefs as truth?
I call on all humanists and rational hams to petition AA7BQ to cleanse the forum of these fatuous values. Return QRZ to Ham radio and regain intellectual integrity.
mike/wa4d
Yes we all are entitled to our freedoms. I take freedom as a very precious thing now. I have to deal with people wanting to take the christian god out of everything well that would be ok if others weren't trying to shove their religion down our throats I say if you don't like it don't read it. It seems sad that a 16 year old "kid" has enough sense to prosses that
kc9jwa
08-12-2008, 04:36 AM
Yes we all are entitled to our freedoms. I take freedom as a very precious thing now. I have to deal with people wanting to take the christian god out of everything well that would be ok if others weren't trying to shove their religion down our throats I say if you don't like it don't read it. It seems sad that a 16 year old "kid" has enough sense to prosses that
I agree, when they try to force or shove religion on someone that isnt the way to do it, thats what made me the way i am, sometime si feel like being a good christian sometimes i feel like anothe rpart is a darkside wich i like, but its a war . lol:)
ka5row
08-13-2008, 09:13 AM
:D God & Jesus are mentioned at the top of my ham radio web page.
:D
ve6wtf
08-13-2008, 10:06 AM
I come from a christian family,
But I dont have any place for god in my life, I might somewhere down the road but as for now I dont find it is for me... yeah sure some think god is for everyone.. I used to go to church, I was even baptised.
We have a large group of Jehovas Witnesses,
and if I EVER get another J-ho (short form, no bashing intended) come to my door trying to convince me I need god in my life, should come to church, jump on the god wagon I swear he is going to regret it.
The antenna handbook is my bible,
And the bands are my little piece of heavon.
Now tell me... What would you do if someone came to your bloody church and told you to convert to their religion? preeched about their god? How would that make you feel? :mad:
:D God & Jesus are mentioned at the top of my ham radio web page.
:D
I like that, I really like it.
(I started watching other related videos and let me tell you, I realized that WITHOUT God, you are just a mortal thing a little higher than a monkey)
KA5ROW site >>>> http://www.ka5row.com
W4MAJ
08-13-2008, 05:51 PM
What do you get when you cross a Jehovah Witness with an athiest?
Someone who knocks on your door for no reason.
I got not problem with it until you start proselytizing and telling me I am a bad human and are lower than rapists and murderers who have converted just because I don't believe that stuff.
You know, the usual noise that non believers get from those who have to believe in something.
K6BBC
08-13-2008, 06:31 PM
Speaking of a "Come to Jesus meeting" isn't it about time you got a six callsign Steve? After twenty years you have earned you official "from the land of fruits and nuts" card - don't be afraid. Be proud of being a member of the left coast loony crowd.
bbc
Never been in prison, maybe that's why I think Jesus is just another cool name. My gardener's name, in fact, and we meet often. It's a "come to Jesus" meeting, each time. He's a nice guy.
WB2WIK/6
W2BBQ
08-13-2008, 07:43 PM
Actually, God and Jesus are already here on the boards and I'd like to see someone try and remove them :p
kc9jwa
08-13-2008, 09:11 PM
I come from a christian family,
But I dont have any place for god in my life, I might somewhere down the road but as for now I dont find it is for me... yeah sure some think god is for everyone.. I used to go to church, I was even baptised.
We have a large group of Jehovas Witnesses,
and if I EVER get another J-ho (short form, no bashing intended) come to my door trying to convince me I need god in my life, should come to church, jump on the god wagon I swear he is going to regret it.
The antenna handbook is my bible,
And the bands are my little piece of heavon.
Now tell me... What would you do if someone came to your bloody church and told you to convert to their religion? preeched about their god? How would that make you feel? :mad:
Yeah thos ejahovas most of em, are just annoying rude, and thier religion arent in my beliefs. I usally just open door, tell them no and close, i use to let my dog out on a leash thou but they got the hint, one other time i told em ya know i aint on ur side im on the darkside.:mad:They came into my old church and tryed to push thier beliefs and we told them no way . But since my church went to heck, they now share it with them thank god im out.
ke4myw
09-02-2008, 01:21 AM
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!
N4PRT
09-02-2008, 01:31 AM
Lt. Dan: "Have you found Jesus yet, Gump?"
Forrest: "I didn't know I was supposed to be looking for him, Lt. Dan..."
Do God & Jesus, belong on QRZ?
Sure! 3,651 hits in 5 days
http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=174150
N7RJD
09-02-2008, 01:37 AM
Do God & Jesus, belong on QRZ?
Hmm, need more info to make an informed decision. Where do they stand on the code/no code issue...what about Winlink....Are they Emcomm whackers....just too much we don't know to offer up an opinion.
kb3laz
09-02-2008, 01:48 AM
Hmm, need more info to make an informed decision. Where do they stand on the code/no code issue...what about Winlink....Are they Emcomm whackers....just too much we don't know to offer up an opinion.
Well if hes/she the god that most describe then he/she loves them all.
N7RJD
09-02-2008, 01:50 AM
Well if hes/she the god that most describe then he/she loves them all.
Sounds like one complex and conflicted individual. The stuff shrinks take to the bank.
kb3laz
09-02-2008, 01:52 AM
Sounds like one complex and conflicted individual. The stuff shrinks take to the bank.
I was just trying to give you the info you desired.:D
Do I get a free beer yet.:p
VE7DCW
09-02-2008, 02:17 AM
Do God and Jesus belong on QRZ? ....Hell yes!!.. :D seriously,if KWW can put all his dead news items in Rag Chew,then sure ...why not. Religion,paganism,devil worship ...let's have at it....
73
kb3laz
09-02-2008, 02:23 AM
Do God and Jesus belong on QRZ? ....Hell yes!!.. :D seriously,if KWW can put all his dead news items in Rag Chew,then sure ...why not. Religion,paganism,devil worship ...let's have at it....
73
Does this mean your going to start quoting the necronomicon?;)
W2ILP
09-02-2008, 02:25 AM
Do God and Jesus belong on QRZ?
First let me say, as a born initially atheist, that I want to be politically correct and respectful of those who believe in any legacies of ancient superstitions. Please accept my apology in advance if the fallowing conflicts your family values or faith based prejudices.
What does QRZ mean?
It means that the receiver is listening for stations who may have called him but can't quite be copied through the noise. That leaves the frequency open for anyone...I think.
What does GOD mean?
Carl Sagan asked that questioin at one of his lectures. To paraphrase Sagan: Does God mean some old guy residing on a cloud counting the fall of every sparrows? I admit that the concept of a divine power can vary however...We must also make allowances for those who may be polytheists...I think.
The Israelites believed in only one God. This made things simple and eliminated the need to sacrifice a different chicken to a different God every day of the week. Leave it to the Jews to be frugal.
God AND Jesus??
I'm no expert on that subject but aren't they the same for most Christian sects? God and Jesus must share the same call sign...I think.
As for me I would appreciate a separation of church and static...and as a British comedian who was missing a finger had often said...
GO... AND LET YOUR GOD GO WITH YOU.
En espanol: Vaya y puede vaya con sus dios.
w2ilp (I Loathe Prejudice)
kc9jwa
09-02-2008, 03:14 AM
Does this mean your going to start quoting the necronomicon?;)
I agree let us have it all.:)
WA6MHZ
09-02-2008, 01:42 PM
God is already licesnsed and has a UK Vanity call. GEE ZERO DELTA!
N2NKW
09-02-2008, 01:44 PM
"Do God and Jesus belong on QRZ"
Nope
Do Hallicrafters, Drake, Swan Belong on QRZ?
Yep
KA8DKT
09-02-2008, 02:30 PM
QRZ has morphed away from its core mission and that is Ham Radio. Just look at the "Headlines", the individual postings, the add-ons, the forums and the occasional postings by hams that shows up on the Healines page. It used to be technical articles, but not anymore.
Most of QRZ's content is not ham related at all. QRZ needs to morph back to its original mission and that is to serve Ham Radio. At this point, it does sometimes, but not nearly enough.
K2WH
Rag Chew seems to be the only forum that is not about ham radio. Have you tried looking at any of the other forums? Questions and Answers? Ham Radio News? Ham Radio Events? Hamfest and Event Calendar? Ham Radio Gear for Sale? Talk and Opinions - Amateur Radio? And on and on and on...
K2WH, you have made another assertion for which evidence indicates otherwise.
-gary
k5ten
09-02-2008, 02:34 PM
God is already licesnsed and has a UK Vanity call. GEE ZERO DELTA!
He might have a number of calls...
Sure..G0D from the UK
JA8WEH from Japan
JH0VA....
I have already worked KR1ST...QSL is in the book..of course, he was 5/9. That antenna must be WAY up there.
Bruce
N9MOQ
09-02-2008, 03:00 PM
. .
I request that we not say the name "Bill" in the forums. Bill used to pick on me in high school and now every time I see that name, my feelings are hurt and I feel uncomfortable.
See how silly you look!
Dave
kb3laz
09-02-2008, 06:10 PM
I like blue moons.
ab8ro
09-02-2008, 07:10 PM
Jesus is Pro-Code!!!!
Cite your sources om, or it isn't so!
ka5row
09-02-2008, 07:16 PM
Often one sees references to God, Jesus and other mythical icons on QRZ. Additional comments sometimes convey the positions of various religions.
As the QRZ founder has recently shown receptivity to rejecting (what he characterizes as 'offensive" and inappropriate posts) -----would it not be prudent to also rid the forum of religious references and quell if not outright censor those who promote these beliefs as truth?
I call on all humanists and rational hams to petition AA7BQ to cleanse the forum of these fatuous values. Return QRZ to Ham radio and regain intellectual integrity.
mike/wa4d
Are you referring to statements like my signature at the bottom of every post I have?:D
kb3laz
09-02-2008, 07:27 PM
Often one sees references to God, Jesus and other mythical icons on QRZ. Additional comments sometimes convey the positions of various religions.
As the QRZ founder has recently shown receptivity to rejecting (what he characterizes as 'offensive" and inappropriate posts) -----would it not be prudent to also rid the forum of religious references and quell if not outright censor those who promote these beliefs as truth?
I call on all humanists and rational hams to petition AA7BQ to cleanse the forum of these fatuous values. Return QRZ to Ham radio and regain intellectual integrity.
mike/wa4d
What, your going to cast the spell Regen(why not reraise)? I could deal with eternal life.:D
Oh....my bad you said regain.;)
Are you referring to statements like my signature at the bottom of every post I have?:D
No, he's referring to this http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=174150
k4zag
09-02-2008, 07:55 PM
way to insult someones faith ... what ever that faith is... you have the right not to beleave I would never take that from you... so be so kind as to not insult my right to beleave... or my chosen faith...
ab8ro
09-02-2008, 08:00 PM
way to insult someones faith ... what ever that faith is... you have the right not to beleave I would never take that from you... so be so kind as to not insult my right to beleave... or my chosen faith...
There is no right not to have your assertions challenged my friend. There is no sacred belief. If you feel insulted by the challenge then that's really your problem. You don't have the power to take anyone's belief from them and neither does anyone else have the power to take yours. If you can't hold your beliefs in the face of criticism then what good are they?
Finally, the religious are constantly trying to force their unsupported beliefs on others and have attempted to do so for thousands of years, so, spare us the indignation.
way to insult someones faith ... what ever that faith is... you have the right not to beleave I would never take that from you... so be so kind as to not insult my right to beleave... or my chosen faith...
You also have the right to click off onto another topic...
N9MOQ
09-02-2008, 08:26 PM
. .
kf6rdn
09-02-2008, 10:34 PM
I like blue moons.
I like ALL the Lucky charms!
:D
kc9jwa
09-03-2008, 05:57 AM
God is already licesnsed and has a UK Vanity call. GEE ZERO DELTA!
Hehe yep, the jahovas came today and caught me in as bad mood i was nice but straight with em i said i aint interested in religion , i didnt say just not thiers becouse i met many and they seem the same or just not right and thers alot that prob seem the same to me so i just stay out of it., i know theres a god :confused::) I am my own christian , anymore i just let god judge on my beliefes thorugh life.:)
kb3laz
09-03-2008, 06:02 AM
Hehe yep, the jahovas came today and caught me in as bad mood i was nice but straight with em i said i aint interested in religion , i didnt say just not thiers becouse i met many and they seem the same or just not right and thers alot that prob seem the same to me so i just stay out of it., i know theres a god :confused::) I am my own christian , anymore i just let god judge on my beliefes thorugh life.:)
Stake a goat in your front lawn and they will leave you alone.
BTW a live goat, Im not implying that you sacrifice it.
m0dcd
09-03-2008, 10:32 AM
"Stake a goat in your front lawn and they will leave you alone.
BTW a live goat, Im not implying that you sacrifice it. "
Also keeps the grass cut without having to put gas in the lawnmower and produces milk - but need a bit more attention than most pets.
A big dog works just the same, unfortunately my K9 is just too friendly to have the desired effect!
As for the subject of the thread, if they have a ham licence then they could always register and post messages (relating to radio of course).
K1CJS
09-03-2008, 12:51 PM
Most of the subjects here are like sticks of wood on a fire--they'll burn slowly and disappear. Political discussion here was like throwing gasoline on that fire--you get flare-ups, and people got burned.
That hasn't yet happened with religion here on the forum, so why get so upset with something that hasn't happened and is unlikely to happen?
It seems like some people are trying to tell us there are problems when the majority can see there are none--or at least none worth getting upset about.
kc9jwa
09-03-2008, 09:45 PM
Stake a goat in your front lawn and they will leave you alone.
BTW a live goat, Im not implying that you sacrifice it.
Naa i wont sacrifice animals, i like em to much.:) I use to just tell em yeah i met satan and the demons and yes im with em, it doesnt seem to work anymore i suggest ignorin em , just saying yeah yeah yeah and say have a nice day and shut the door it worked.:D
K7KBN
09-03-2008, 10:31 PM
Proselytizing is unacceptable.
My father's brother, Benjamin,
Without too much adversity,
Successfully proselytized
At a major Texas university.
Grandma said, "Well, ain't that nice!
Uncle Ben's converted Rice!!"