17,000 Watts calleda "Weapon of Mass destruction"

[AC4BB]

I often hear car Music systems over aminute before I actually see the car go by. but, here's a guy that needsa "Check-up from the neck up." A "17,000 WATT system.
www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/sound-system/guy-installs-17000+watt-sound-system-in-car-to-be-classified-as-weapon-of-mass-destruction-315522.php

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/010406.html

[W5HTW]

Those ear pounding car stereos are not installed to please the operator of the car, or those inside they car.

They are installed to say "look at me. Notice me, please. Look! I'm here. Please notice me."

Instead of accomplishment, they just make noise. "See me? I'm here!! Right here!"

[KD5ZPG]

Switch p/u diesel power chip to high output and plant right foot on the floor. LID in offending vehicle disappears in black cloud of smoke and quickly rolls up windows. Noise DB drops dramatically........:D


KD5ZPG

[W3RSL]

Those ear pounding car stereos are not installed to please the operator of the car, or those inside they car.

They are installed to say "look at me. Notice me, please. Look! I'm here. Please notice me."

Instead of accomplishment, they just make noise. "See me? I'm here!! Right here!"

I notice that they are fumbling, bumbling, blithering, blathering, barbaric baboons from botswana!:D

[KC2TAU]

I notice that they are fumbling, bumbling, blithering, blathering, barbaric baboons from botswana!:D


Actually two of my friends have very loud systems and they are very articulate and well mannered people and truly are good friends of mine.


You were saying?

[KB2YYR]

You were saying?
That the plural of "anecdote" is not "data."

[KC2TAU]

That the plural of "anecdote" is not "data."

Some people would find what we do to be "weird" and that we're "strange". Everyone has their own hobby and their own passion,respect it.

[wa4brl]

I notice that they are fumbling, bumbling, blithering, blathering, barbaric baboons from botswana!

Aggrivating agnostic agorophobes of alliterative aural antagonism?

Nattering nabobs of negativism?

[WF7A]

Just once, I'd like to hear one of these guys roll by playing the 1812 Overture with the Russian bells and cannons (Zubin Mehta conducting, L.A. Philharmonic, I believe).

This guy must have a monster of an alternator in the engine compartment. :S

[KB2YYR]

Everyone has their own hobby and their own passion,respect it.
My hobby doesn't wake people up at 3 AM when it drives by or make their ears bleed. Respect is earned by respect.

[VE7DCW]

Just once, I'd like to hear one of these guys roll by playing the 1812 Overture with the Russian bells and cannons (Zubin Mehta conducting, L.A. Philharmonic, I believe).

This guy must have a monster of an alternator in the engine compartment. :S

I've heard that version....most excellent piece...but...alas..to hear that coming out of a rolling noise polluter would be a very welcome change.. :rolleyes:

73

[KC2TAU]

My hobby doesn't wake people up at 3 AM when it drives by or make their ears bleed. Respect is earned by respect.


Some of them do that,sure,there are bad apples in every hobby. Every car audio person I've met has had the decency to not pull such stunts.

[ka5row]

:eek: Maybe he should go into the window repair service and drive up and down the street, then come back in a van offering to do repair work

[K7RQ]

My grandson installed one of those systems in his car and soon thereafter got a ticket for "excessive noise." I'd bet that there are anti-noise ordinances prohibiting those in a lot of cities. Outlawing them would be doing these kids a favor, otherwise they are soon going to be hearing-impaired. Our ears weren't designed to take such a hammering.

[WF7A]

My grandson installed one of those systems in his car and soon thereafter got a ticket for "excessive noise." I'd bet that there are anti-noise ordinances prohibiting those in a lot of cities. Outlawing them would be doing these kids a favor, otherwise they are soon going to be hearing-impaired. Our ears weren't designed to take such a hammering.


All the more reason we should all be investing in hearing aid manufacturers now!

[AC4BB]

Did anyone happen to read the second link there about noise levels and death.?:eek:

[n5ipt]

My hobby doesn't wake people up at 3 AM when it drives by or make their ears bleed. Respect is earned by respect.

Nope, instead it can actually kill your neighbor at 3am if you use enough power and have poor operating practices.

If your neighbors knew the dangers they'd probably feel better towards the guy who bumps the entire neighborhood vs the weirdo with antennas.

[AC0H]

Respect is earned by respect.

Exactly. A point usually lost on the younger generation.

How is this audio assault on the senses anything new?
Did the dumb ass in question invent some new way of combining the output of his amps to minimize distortion or is this all some sort of juvenile pissing contest proving who's got the biggest wallet.

BTW, more and more localities are passing ordinances against these rolling boom boxes. Have fun while you can.

[AC0H]

Nope, instead it can actually kill your neighbor at 3am if you use enough power and have poor operating practices.

Pray tell, how exactly does a Ham running a clean station with a good antenna design and legal power threaten the life of his neighbor?

[ab8ro]

Those ear pounding car stereos are not installed to please the operator of the car, or those inside they car.

They are installed to say "look at me. Notice me, please. Look! I'm here. Please notice me."

Instead of accomplishment, they just make noise. "See me? I'm here!! Right here!"

Just curious, do you like modern music? I'm not completely disagreeing with you but I've had people say basically that about my car in the past and I've never had more than 150 watts of bass, and only (fairly low end) deck power for the highs. I currently don't have any sort of radio in my car but I do enjoy loud music from time to time and I can see having up to maybe 300 or 400 watts in a car for clean sound at high listening levels without it being "bling." To me that's in the same class as having HF in your car. In other words, to people who don't understand it seems excessive, but to people who like loud modern music it IS for enjoyment.

[VO1GXG]

I have a loud audio system in my car. However i do not crank it up playing rap, i ply what i like at a nice listening level for me and or passengers in my car, the only reason i put the system in is because i like alot of bass to my music. Then again my car is a 1998 Mercury Mystique with lots of antennas and radio equipment... so that A) gets me noticed B) Works pretty good.

[KB2YYR]

Nope, instead it can actually kill your neighbor at 3am if you use enough power and have poor operating practices.
What a load of garbage.

[KD6NIG]

Usually the first time a police officer gets behind them and is ignored because the lights and siren going do not get the attention of the driver.....solves the problem pretty quickly.

One thing I discovered when I ran around with guys who didn't believe in 5W CB radios is that they could "get into" these kind of systems with about 100W if they were close enough. On more than one occasion I witnessed someone telling one of these loud vehicles to "turn it down" and the look on the driver and the passengers of said vehicle was pretty classic-they couldn't figure out where it was coming from.

We had a neighbor across the street who believed that whenever he wanted to, he could open the doors on his vehicle, turn the radio up to "ear bleed" and give the whole neighborhood a rendition of what he felt was proper music. He tried this at 6 am one Saturday morning and I let my feelings be known from my front porch in a not too kind manner. He proceeded to drive it around the back and continue. The neighbors behind him were not as kind as me-they called the cops on him and it suddenly became silent around 6:17am.

He continued to do it though, he would just wait until later. The cops however were called out again about a week later when he was playing some "rap" music with quite some colorful language. Another neighbor with children was not pleased with the content. This time he was admonished a bit more harshly because of the content, and I believe that neighbor contacted the owner of the house, because suddenly about 2 weeks later they were moving out.

We still get them going by at all hours of the night and morning with the stuff up loud. Usually only hear it for a few seconds though as they pass by. Thankfully with the temps being higher now that its summer, most of them are getting too warm to drive around with all the windows down and the music blaring now, though.

A friend of mine had a neighbor that liked to entertain the entire block too. The funny part was if anyone else had a radio going, even at low volume, he'd call the cops on them. I guess as long as it was HIS radio going it was ok, but anyone else was not to do so. It didn't take him long to make a lot of enemies that way, and he eventually moved too, restoring silence to the neighborhood.

Course, the whole not caring about anyone else and doing what you want thing has been going on for a while now (just get on any freeway and you'll see it) but this noise pollution tends to annoy more than a few people.

[AC4BB]

What a load of garbage.

When was the last time you can recall any ham with their radio's audio or RF output cranked up to 17KW.? Frankly, In 26 years of ham radio I can't recall either ever happening. When was the Last time you heard about a ham getting a ticket for having a "ham radio" turned up too loudly.? What's Garbage is having Bass notes audible over 1 mile away. And I'm sure this fellow far exceeds that.:eek::eek:

[W8NSI]

I often hear car Music systems over aminute before I actually see the car go by. but, here's a guy that needsa "Check-up from the neck up." A "17,000 WATT system.
www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/sound-system/guy-installs-17000+watt-sound-system-in-car-to-be-classified-as-weapon-of-mass-destruction-315522.php

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/010406.html

The scrap yard will not have to do much processing of that car. The way the sheet metal was flexing, metal fatigue will set in shortly and then it will fall apart. :D

[KB2YYR]

What's Garbage is having Bass notes audible over 1 mile away. And I'm sure this fellow far exceeds that.:eek::eek:
Why don't you try reading the post I was responding to, hmm?

[KG6GMX]

Switch p/u diesel power chip to high output and plant right foot on the floor. LID in offending vehicle disappears in black cloud of smoke and quickly rolls up windows. Noise DB drops dramatically........:D


KD5ZPG

Not that I have really done this before...heheh...:rolleyes:
Former Dodge TurboCummins Owner

73,
Dave

[ab8ro]

My hobby doesn't wake people up at 3 AM when it drives by or make their ears bleed. Respect is earned by respect.

No, ham radio is the hobby, however, that many consider to be a source of "visual pollution." In a sense, it's precisely the same thing. You are irritated by loud noises, many people are irritated by large antennas. The only difference is which sense is being assaulted.

That's right, a tower is to most people what loud bass systems are to you.

[AC4BB]

I guarantee you can walk right under my antennas and never spot them.

[W3RSL]

Actually two of my friends have very loud systems and they are very articulate and well mannered people and truly are good friends of mine.


You were saying?


I would agree that your truly good friends are "well mannered" if they don't burp at the dinner table, pick their nose in public, fart on the church pew (no pun intended), say please and thank you; yes sir or no mamm. I would also agree they are well mannered if they turn off their vomit boxes at the gas station, while waiting in the fire lane at the grocery store, or at the 2 minuet red light on the highway. To do otherwise your friends are narcissist jackasses regardless of their eloquentness.

[W3RSL]

Aggrivating agnostic agorophobes of alliterative aural antagonism?

Nattering nabobs of negativism?

Not bad!:)

[KG6OPR]

...Hell when I was a kid, we thought we where Kool with a 50 watt Craig Power Play with a 8 track stereo in the VW. Those days of the 70's.

[ab8ro]

I guarantee you can walk right under my antennas and never spot them.

That's not the point. I doubt you'd know that I used to have 150 watts of bass in my truck either. The point is that it's hypocritical for hams who regularly assault the visual senses to criticize those who assault the aural senses.

While we're on the subject of assaulting senses, I imagine hams assault the olfactory senses far more than the average driver of bling-mobiles.

Before hams ask someone to turn their stereo down at the light perhaps they should consider taking a bath before standing in line at the bank.

[K5FH]

No, ham radio is the hobby, however, that many consider to be a source of "visual pollution." In a sense, it's precisely the same thing. You are irritated by loud noises, many people are irritated by large antennas. The only difference is which sense is being assaulted.

That's right, a tower is to most people what loud bass systems are to you.

Naranjas y manzanas, compadre.

Looking at a tower with multiple beams might offend someone's sensitivities, because some people have no appreciation for the finer things in life, but that won't endanger their hearing. Plus, looking at a tower is a passive activity - you can choose to ignore the sight if you wish. The simple act of standing on the sidewalk and looking up at the tower will not cause you physical trauma.

Not so with a loud sound system cranked up beyond all possible necessity. The physical discomfort it produces in innocent bystanders ("collateral aural damage") is in addition to its annoyance factor.

Besides, the ham with the tower most likely has a permit from his town or county for the installation. So, as the old saying goes, "Anybody what don't like it, tough *&%#."

[ab8ro]

Naranjas y manzanas, compadre.

Looking at a tower with multiple beams might offend someone's sensitivities,


Good, we agree. Some people are irritated by antennas.


because some people have no appreciation for the finer things in life,


Now you sound exactly like some guy and his "bling box" who doesn't understand why you can't appreciate good music.


but that won't endanger their hearing.


Most systems won't endanger your hearing either. However, neighbors claim that antennas will endanger property values. So again, we have a clear comparison where each is offensive to someone else and each has the potential to cause harm.


Plus, looking at a tower is a passive activity - you can choose to ignore the sight if you wish. The simple act of standing on the sidewalk and looking up at the tower will not cause you physical trauma.


You can no more choose to ignore something that's in your visual path than you can ignore something that's in your aural path. Moreover, you cannot erase the damage to property value by just looking elsewhere.


Not so with a loud sound system cranked up beyond all possible necessity. The physical discomfort it produces in innocent bystanders ("collateral aural damage") is in addition to its annoyance factor.


You're exaggerating to try and make a point. Most sound systems are not loud enough to cause bystanders any hearing damage. They are simply irritating. Just as towers are irritating to others.


Besides, the ham with the tower most likely has a permit from his town or county for the installation. So, as the old saying goes, "Anybody what don't like it, tough *&%#."

No permit is needed for stereos, so unless it's exceeding local ordinance levels, if you don't like it, tough, there's nothing that you can do about it.

It's precisely the same thing. It is an assault on someone else's senses that has the potential for harm in some way.

[WF7A]

Just curious, do you like modern music? .

Yup, sure do: a large part of my tunes collection comprises of dance (1990s to early 2000s) and techno disks.

[ab8ro]

Yup, sure do: a large part of my tunes collection comprises of dance (1990s to early 2000s) and techno disks.

Such as?

............

[AC4BB]

Before hams ask someone to turn their stereo down at the light perhaps they should consider taking a bath before standing in line at the bank.[/QUOTE]
You won't find me stinking up anyline anywhere I bathe 2 times per day every day first thing in the morning and last thing at night.

[W5HTW]

Just curious, do you like modern music? I'm not completely disagreeing with you but I've had people say basically that about my car in the past and I've never had more than 150 watts of bass, and only (fairly low end) deck power for the highs. I currently don't have any sort of radio in my car but I do enjoy loud music from time to time and I can see having up to maybe 300 or 400 watts in a car for clean sound at high listening levels without it being "bling." To me that's in the same class as having HF in your car. In other words, to people who don't understand it seems excessive, but to people who like loud modern music it IS for enjoyment.

Depends upon the definition of modern music. If all there is to it is "boom, boom, boom" for blocks, no I don't care for it. My old hearing has to have some highs for comprehension. And I do think the words of a song should be comprehended. That's why the are called 'words.'

If, however, you consider the Allman Brothers, ZZ Top, Aerosmith, the Marshall Tucker Band, Steve Winwood, Led Zepplin, Steppenwolf, Charlie Daniels, Dave Matthews, and that ilk, "modern music," yep, I sure do. Like to hear it, understand it. In the car, I've found 40 watts per channel of stereo is more than I need. At home, a 100 watt amplifer is way too much.

I've been at the other end, too. A musician. Played country, couintry rock, acid rock, classic rock, as a guitarist, and yeah, I liked it loud for dancing. I don't dance much in my car. And when playing in a club, those who wanted to be there, in the club, were there, and those who did not want to hear it, weren't there. Seems fair to me.

But when I'm stopped at the traffic light, I am NOT a willing listener to the boom boom next to me.

[ab8ro]

Depends upon the definition of modern music. If all there is to it is "boom, boom, boom" for blocks, no I don't care for it.


So you don't like dance music? Wether or not you can hear it for blocks isn't really relevant. I doubt that you've heard many sound systems that can be heard blocks away.


My old hearing has to have some highs for comprehension. And I do think the words of a song should be comprehended. That's why the are called 'words.'


That's just a matter of opinion. If we're talking about rap music I'm pretty sure that the words are comprehensible to most who choose to listen.


If, however, you consider the Allman Brothers, ZZ Top, Aerosmith, the Marshall Tucker Band, Steve Winwood, Led Zepplin, Steppenwolf, Charlie Daniels, Dave Matthews, and that ilk, "modern music," yep, I sure do. Like to hear it, understand it.


What's that line in "blinded by the light?" "Dressed up like a ...."


In the car, I've found 40 watts per channel of stereo is more than I need. At home, a 100 watt amplifer is way too much.


With 80 watts there's a good chance that someone else finds your ZZ top to be irritating. I would find Charlie Daniels at ANY level irritating.


I've been at the other end, too. A musician. Played country, couintry rock, acid rock, classic rock, as a guitarist, and yeah, I liked it loud for dancing. I don't dance much in my car. And when playing in a club, those who wanted to be there, in the club, were there, and those who did not want to hear it, weren't there. Seems fair to me.


Hardly, if you have to walk or drive by the club on your way somewhere then you are irritating others in the same way that the boom box is irritating you. Any argument that you can make about the boombox can be made about the loud club.


But when I'm stopped at the traffic light, I am NOT a willing listener to the boom boom next to me.

We all have a right to like what we like and don't like. No argument there. I just don't see it so cut and dry. I lived in Ann Arbor for five years and I can tell you that I found the football games much more annoying than any boombox.

The point that I'm trying to make is that I'm sure we all irritate someone else in some manner. The question is whether or not we have the right to live an irritation free life and I would say that we do not implicitly have that right. We should buy 500 acres in Alaska if we don't want to be bothered by people. Otherwise we should learn to accept that not everyone enjoys the same things that we do.

[AC4BB]

For all those that still see no danger in loud Music Read on.

http://www.drdriving.org/misc/music_strick_report.html

[WF7A]

Such as?

............

Just a smattering since I'm too beat to list them all:

A.D.A.M.
Ace of Base
Alcazar
Alice Deejay
Amber
Aqua
Ayla
Blue Nature
Blumchen
Boney M
Chumbawamba
Da Buzz
Darude
Datura
DJ Bobo
DJ Company
DJ Sammy
E-type
Gina G
Ice MC
Imperio
Interactive
Ja Rule
Jackie O
Jam & Spoon
Jessica Folker
Juno Reactor
Ken Laszlo
Kim Sozzi
Kosmonova
La Bouche
Lucrezia
Machine in Motion
Magic Affair
More
Motiv8
Nicki French
Olivia Featuring Paula
Pet Shop Boys
Pharao
Rednex
Robin Fox
Rodd-Y-Ler
Sarina Paris
Scooter
Silent Nick
Stacy Q
Star
Sunscreem
Temperance
Tina Cousins
Tokyo Ghetto Pussy
Urban Cookie Collective
The Verve
X-perience

...and about twenty or so "various artists" dance and techno disks as well as ones from Hong Kong and France which I have no idea who they are, but they sound great.

[ab8ro]

For all those that still see no danger in loud Music Read on.

http://www.drdriving.org/misc/music_strick_report.html

I don't believe that anyone here is arguing that there's no danger in loud music. What has been said is that the danger to listeners outside the vehicle is minimal to non-existent in most cases. In fact, it's probably not much different from the RF exposure danger that hams might inflict on others at a traffic light if using high power on two meters.

As far as a distraction is concerned I'm quite sure that music is, as is ham radio, passengers, food, and cell phones.

Your report, however, does not support any claims. It's a crap report by some high school students. First the experiment was only performed on very young drivers.


I collected data from 10 different females between the ages of 15 and 17. Each female was tested on two different days and the scores for each subject were then averaged. Each subject’s time was then averaged with the others to get one overall average for each volume. Those averages are displayed in Table 1 below.


Second, the results do not support the conclusions.


This research has shown that although the differences in the reaction times at each volume do not appear significant...

For each subject, the results were somewhat varied. Many of the drivers were fairly consistent throughout the different volumes, and some did better with loud music than music at low levels. For some of the subjects, they did drastically worse with loud music than with no music at all. Looking at the data in its entirety, the music level does seem to be related to a driver’s reaction time.


That's not science, that's a kid's project.