Thanks NRA

[w2amr]

"Felons, such as Barton, have the need and the right to protect themselves and their families by keeping firearms in their home," says David Chontos, Barton's court-appointed lawyer.




http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25753541/

[KG4CGC]

"Do you think Scooter Libby should have a gun?"

[K3ACE]

Here we go. Some of you people just don't get it. Don't you understand that the DC law was contrary to the US constitution anyway? This case could have been brought before the courts at any time, and I have to believe that it isn't the first...and won't be the last. The ruling in DC had nothing to do with felons owning guns. This was just an opportunity for some 2 bit lawyer in Turtle Creek, Pa to get his name in the paper.

[w2amr]

"Do you think Scooter Libby should have a gun?"
Without question. :D

[w2amr]

. The ruling in DC had nothing to do with felons owning guns. .
It does now.

[ka5s]

Here we go. Some of you people just don't get it. Don't you understand that the DC law was contrary to the US constitution anyway? This case could have been brought before the courts at any time, and I have to believe that it isn't the first...and won't be the last. The ruling in DC had nothing to do with felons owning guns. This was just an opportunity for some 2 bit lawyer in Turtle Creek, Pa to get his name in the paper.

Target. Fire for effect.


Cortland
KA5S

[W7WV]

It does now.

I am not sure how you figure that the DC ruling affects convicted felons. Are you saying they can have guns? I don't think so.
A felon's rights are suspended because of the conviction and one of those is to buy or be in possession of a gun, of any kind.

[W4BD]

Well how can you take a Felon's right to KEEP AND BEAR ARMS away and not that his/her right to FREE SPEECH or FREEDOM AGAINST UNREASONABLE SEARCH or THE FREEDOM OF RELIGION? The CONSTITUTION was written to give us a basis of Law and the BILL OF RIGHTS gave us certain FREEDOMS for EVERY CITIZEN of the US of A. What happened to the thing about "Paying your debt to SOCIETY". To me when a debt is paid then you no longer owe that debt and you are free of of it. We all have made mistakes and just by the "Grace of GOD" we didn't get caught or got off light.

There is a process now to go to BATF and get your "Gunrights restored" even after you have Govenor's Pardon you have to jump through the hoops to own a gun.

I had much rather have FELONS with guns or other weapons than let the POWERS TO BE use that for a base to take our Rights.

[N4AUD]

It does now.

No, it doesn't.

The NRA has NEVER been in favor of felons owning firearms. You're being a tad disingenuous.

[K8ERV]

You're being a tad disingenuous.

WOW! You gotta watch out for those!

Who is Scooter Libby?

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

[N4AUD]

WOW! You gotta watch out for those!

Who is Scooter Libby?

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

I'm exactly not sure who Scooter Libby is, actually. I know he's a Republican.

I don't belong to a political party nor do I support any political party.

W2AMR would disagree if I started a thread "W2AMR wants to take away your freedom." That would be disingenuous also.

[w2amr]

I had much rather have FELONS with guns or other weapons than let the POWERS TO BE use that for a base to take our Rights.
Good, and I hope they all end up living in your neighborhood.

[w2amr]

I'm exactly not sure who Scooter Libby is, actually. I know he's a Republican.


W2AMR would disagree if I started a thread "W2AMR wants to take away your freedom." .
Not at all, i think it would be very interesting. Go for it.

[W7WV]

As I understand it you have to apply to have your rights restored after a felony conviction.
I guess you have to apply to the court or authority that you were convicted in.
That is fair, in my opinion.
I don't know if this new guy did that or not.

[n2ize]

Hey, crooks are people just like anyone else. Some crooks even have families and kids. And there are even crooks that have saved other peoples lives. So I say let's give crooks a break and let them have guns...LEGALLY. Crooks have just as much right to protect themselves, their families as anyone else. I am tired of seeing all the stereotypes and predjudices against crooks.

[K4GUN]

Thanks NRA? That's not "disingenuous". Its a flat out lie. The NRA is not behind any effort to restore 2nd Amendment rights to felons. W2AMR is a liar.

[w2amr]

Thanks NRA? That's not "disingenuous". Its a flat out lie. The NRA is not behind any effort to restore 2nd Amendment rights to felons. W2AMR is a liar.
My point was, The NRA was the driving force which eventually overturned the gun ban in DC, which in turn has led to this mess.

[ac4r]

Hey, crooks are people just like anyone else. Some crooks even have families and kids. And there are even crooks that have saved other peoples lives. So I say let's give crooks a break and let them have guns...LEGALLY. Crooks have just as much right to protect themselves, their families as anyone else. I am tired of seeing all the stereotypes and predjudices against crooks.


This is funny !

[W4BD]

Well I guess you might say I draw the conclusion that W2AMR is against Guns. I see that he lives in NJ so I guess he gets it natural.

As far as the Felons moving into my area that's fine with me. They tend to their business and I will tend to mine. Now if a Felon or anyone else comes looking for trouble then they will find more that they want because I will defend me and mine no questions asked. "A bad situation never gets better and a good siuation only gets worse". So there will be VERY LITTLE talk and then somebody is going to be hurt. I live in fear that some night there will be a "no knock drug raid or simular event" and since I stay on the right side of the law then I have to assume it's BAD people kicking my door in so I will come up with gun in hand and no matter if they yell "POLICE or LAW ENFORCEMENT" I will be shooting because anybody can yell stuff like that and buy the windbreakers with what ever on them and also some type of badge. Now if you are on the wrong side of the law then you just figure well they got me and hope for the best.

One of my best friends is/was a Felon and he has a Jimmy Carter Gov Pardon and he has also had the BATF restore his gun rights. We have worked on Nuclear powerhouses together and whn it is asked "Have you ever been arrested" he says yes and gives details. I answer yes also due to being arrested in Aug of 1983 for Criminal Tresspass in my own home during a divorce but the case was dropped but the record is still there. We have always been hired and usually had unlimited clearence.

[K3ACE]

My point was, The NRA was the driving force which eventually overturned the gun ban in DC, which in turn has led to this mess.

You miss the point. The NRA should have never had to take anyone to court over this BECAUSE IT WAS UN CONSTITUTIONAL ANYWAY. Don't you get it??

[w2amr]

WOW! You gotta watch out for those!

Who is Scooter Libby?

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo
Dick Cheney's love child.

[K4GUN]

My point was, The NRA was the driving force which eventually overturned the gun ban in DC, which in turn has led to this mess.

No they were not. They got involved VERY late into the litigation that overturned the DC law. They were actually opposed to pushing it this far for a long time out of fear of a negative ruling.

[w2amr]

No they were not. They got involved VERY late into the litigation that overturned the DC law. They were actually opposed to pushing it this far for a long time out of fear of a negative ruling.


"The U.S. Supreme Court had not even decided whether #to take the case when National Rifle Association lobbyist Wayne LaPierre fired off the distress flare:"




Now who is the liar?:rolleyes:
http://abajournal.com/magazine/a_shot_at_the_second_amendment/

[K4GUN]

"The U.S. Supreme Court had not even decided whether #to take the case when National Rifle Association lobbyist Wayne LaPierre fired off the distress flare:"




Now who is the liar?:rolleyes:
http://abajournal.com/magazine/a_shot_at_the_second_amendment/


You are. Either that or you didn't read past the first line of the article you just posted. You also would have had to ignore the title as well so yes... you are still the liar.

From the article you posted: Here’s where LaPierre heads into a wrong turn: It’s not an NRA case. In fact, the gun rights supporters who filed it complain that lawyers working for the NRA, concerned the case could backfire, spent considerable time and money trying to scuttle it. The association finally was dragged kicking and screaming before the Supreme Court after the prospect of review appeared more likely than it has in years.

[n2ize]

"The U.S. Supreme Court had not even decided whether #to take the case when National Rifle Association lobbyist Wayne LaPierre fired off the distress flare:"
Now who is the liar?:rolleyes:


George ? What are you one of those anti-gun pinkos ? First you'll come and take my guns then you'll pass a law requiring me to speak communist.

[w2amr]

george ? What are you one of those anti-gun pinkos ? First you'll come and take my guns then you'll pass a law requiring me to speak communist.
silence comrade!

[KC0OGH]

What is truly amazing is that you feel comfortable making such claims, when you obviously know so little about the case. The Heller case did NOT involve the NRA, regardless of what the media and the NRA themselves would have you think. The NRA was against this case even going before the supreme court, for fear of a ruling that did not favor their position. When it became evident that the case would be heard by the supreme court, the NRA rushed to file other suits and have them joined to the Heller suit, in an attempt to control the litigation. The Plaintiff vehemently opposed this action, and the supreme court agreed, thus the Heller case was heard by the courts without the NRA's lawyers being involved.

To claim that this was an NRA victory is misleading at best, as they were not even directly involved in the case. Obviously, the NRA exerted what pressure it could through lobbying, as would be expected. This is what they do, just as organizations such as Handgun Control Inc., and the Million Mom March lobby for the opposing view.

Might I suggest that you research a news item before making an uninformed and idiotic post about it. This follows much the same logic as the old saying "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt."

73
KC0OGH

[w2amr]

What is truly amazing is that you feel comfortable making such claims, when you obviously know so little about the case. The Heller case did NOT involve the NRA, regardless of what the media and the NRA themselves would have you think. The NRA was against this case even going before the supreme court, for fear of a ruling that did not favor their position. When it became evident that the case would be heard by the supreme court, the NRA rushed to file other suits and have them joined to the Heller suit, in an attempt to control the litigation. The Plaintiff vehemently opposed this action, and the supreme court agreed, thus the Heller case was heard by the courts without the NRA's lawyers being involved.

To claim that this was an NRA victory is misleading at best, as they were not even directly involved in the case. Obviously, the NRA exerted what pressure it could through lobbying, as would be expected. This is what they do, just as organizations such as Handgun Control Inc., and the Million Mom March lobby for the opposing view.

Might I suggest that you research a news item before making an uninformed and idiotic post about it. This follows much the same logic as the old saying "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt."

73
KC0OGH

Well, it seems I was wrong. I stand corrected.

[KC0OGH]

Well, it seems I was wrong. I stand corrected.

Well at least you are willing to admit it, unlike may others. Thanks for being a stand up guy.

73
Justin
KC0OGH

[n2ize]

I don't care what the NRA did or didn't do. I just want crooks to be allowed to have guns.

[w2amr]

I don't care what the NRA did or didn't do. I just want crooks to be allowed to have guns.
Attaguy.
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[W8NSI]

I am not sure how you figure that the DC ruling affects convicted felons. Are you saying they can have guns? I don't think so.
A felon's rights are suspended because of the conviction and one of those is to buy or be in possession of a gun, of any kind.

Don't let 'em get your blood pressure up. That is the usual play book scare tactics used by the anti-gun crowd. Doesn't have to have a grain of truth, just the fact that they say it makes it true. Their MSM will even repeat it if they need emphasis. They want you to believe that the NRA wants to arm criminals, when it is the liberals that want the vote for criminals (and the guns will follow).

[n6hle]

There is one basic problem with the "exception" to Second Amendment rights when it comes to convicted felons. The individual states are allowed to administer and even change the laws as they see fit. There is no absolute rule on this. For my entire life I thought it was if you were a convicted felon you couldn't own. If you weren't a convicted felon you could. Last year I found out how wrong I was. I went to buy my first gun. About 8 days into my 10 day wait I was called by the dealer and told Ca. DOJ said NO. I called DOJ to find out why as I had never been convicted of or even committed any felony. I found out that a MISDEMEANOR posession of a POCKET KNIFE 14 years earlier in 9th grade was the show stopper. They told me I would be able to register a firearm after my 30th birthday!!! However my neighbor knows a guy who can get me just about any gun I want, with no wait period and no forms to fill out! So in sumary, the states can limit whoever they choose from LEGALLY obtaining a firearm, but it doesn't stop all of the illegal gun trade from going on. I guess I should have chosen to be a career criminal and then I wouldn't have a problem getting one.

[W5GA]

One of my best friends is/was a Felon and he has a Jimmy Carter Gov Pardon and he has also had the BATF restore his gun rights. We have worked on Nuclear powerhouses together and whn it is asked "Have you ever been arrested" he says yes and gives details. I answer yes also due to being arrested in Aug of 1983 for Criminal Tresspass in my own home during a divorce but the case was dropped but the record is still there. We have always been hired and usually had unlimited clearence.

Tell your friend he's a very lucky guy. Congress has specifically defunded this now for at least 10 years that I know of. As it stands today, NO felon can have their gun rights restored no matter what as there's no money for it.

[KG4CGC]

Pretty soon the feds will make criminals out of everyone.

[kf6rdn]

I don't care what the NRA did or didn't do. I just want crooks to be allowed to have guns.


Ok.

But YOU can't have a gun.

You'll shoot your EYE out!
:D :D

[K0RGR]

My goodness - you mean that all you Nut Rifle Association members were actually opposed to this court ruling all along? None of you actually wanted it to go to court? Wow - that's amazing.

It looks like a clear case of unintended consequences, just like when the Nut Rifle Association pushed through it's concealed carry law here. The first time around, the law did not even permit churches to ban firearms, unless they personally told each and every person entering the church - in addition to posting signs - that guns were not allowed! Fortunately, our courts threw that one out. The second time around is much better. We don't have to give gun permits to lunatics or wife beaters, like we did with the first law.

Actually, so far, there have been few incidents involving gun permits. We've had one spectacular and stupid shootout at the Wal Mart up the street, and somebody got busted last week for pulling their weapon and threatening to shoot a driver. Otherwise, it's had little impact.

[kb3laz]

It would depend on the felony in my opinion as to weather or not a felon can own a gun. If they were not a violent offender why should they not be allowed to own a gun after they do their time?

[w6vps]

Target. Fire for effect.


Cortland
KA5S


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