Danger In The Sky

[W1JSB]

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[n2ize]

Sorry, I'm not buying the "chemtrails" conspiracy theory. They are not "chemtrails" they are contrails i.e. vapour trails. They are water vapour. Depending on different atmospheric conditions they can form at different altitudes and they will persist for different lengths of time depending on conditions. They are water vapor folks.

I like the way one guy on the video says it didn;t start till 1996. Huh ? I've been seeing contrails all my life. Yes, those very so called "chemtrails" in the video I have seen through the 60's, 70's, 80's 90's and into the 2000's. Now they are suddenlt "chemtrails" and a mass conspiracy theory to drug the entire world. Give me a break.

[W3MIV]

Why am I not surprised? Ideologies always seem to cluster, like mold on a month-old pizza, and they always seem to fascinate the same kinds of political oddballs.

[K9STH]

During World War II the trails left by the B-17 and B-24 bombers warned the Axis that destruction was "on the way". Those trails could be seen for many miles before the bombers got anywhere near their targets.

Glen, K9STH

[KU0DM]

Beware of the Phog.
http://www.jayhawkbookstore.com/phpshop/shop_image/product/7aa096f85380c0e9a766565290edab4c.jpg



I love being a Jayhawk.

[W1JSB]

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[KU0DM]

I'd love for that to be true, but the massive evidence seems to suggest otherwise..

Show us this evidence please.
Preferably a scientific study from a respectable University at least one of us have heard of, and not some site by the name of "www.conspiracys-r'-us.com"

[N0WVA]

Yes, it shouldnt be too hard to detect large doses of aluminum oxide settling to the ground.

[W1JSB]

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[K7VV]

Is it April Fools Day again so soon???

[W1JSB]

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[KU0DM]

No no, I'd really enjoy it if you were the one to back up your argument.
After all it's not what we read, it's how YOU present it that changes minds.

[W1JSB]

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[n2ize]

Here is a good place to start

http://www.carnicom.com/

I checked that site out years ago and concluded that it's a nutter fringe hoax.

The entire premise that contrails don't persist for more than a few seconds or a minute or so is wrong. Contrails can persist for hours upon hours depending upon temperature and humidity levels are different altitudes.

There is nothing out of the ordinary. I've been seeing persistant contrails since I was a kid. This is nothing new. The only thing that is new is that someone took a standard, normal phenomenon and via the internet made it into a nutter conspiracy theory.

[kl7aj]

bring out the tin foil hats. :)

[K7JEM]

http://meltyourfaceoff.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/tin-foil-hat.jpg

[k4klb]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/48/112946138_b7ed684457.jpg?v=0

Get a load of these Top Secret UFOs reshaped, or "cloaked", to look like USMC F/A-18 Hornets.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2334/2193689131_fd103b69c8.jpg?v=0

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2235/2193691467_4a538f5885.jpg?v=0

Alien aircraft also have the ability to take the shape of F-14 Tomcats as seen in these pictures.

Geez....gimme a break.

[W1JSB]

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[N9XR]

Wow. OMG. The argument ends here.

I have never seen so many extraterrestrials on the national Press Club before. And they claim to have infiltrated our governmental agencies. One of the aliens claims to be from Mexico City, but I can recognize his Uranian accent anywhere.

I am sure the reason they want us to demilitarize the space is to protect Santa Claus. Comet and Cupid have taken shrapnel.

[n2ize]

Wow. OMG. The argument ends here.

I have never seen so many extraterrestrials on the national Press Club before. And they claim to have infiltrated our governmental agencies. One of the aliens claims to be from Mexico City, but I can recognize his Uranian accent anywhere.

I am sure the reason they want us to demilitarize the space is to protect Santa Claus. Comet and Cupid have taken shrapnel.

And flouridation of the water supply.

[n5xm]

Is something irrational just because we don't understand it? Just saying someone is a kook because what they espouse doesn't fit your uniformatarium view of everything is kinda silly, doncha think? Even Einstein thought that quantum mechanics was ridiculous, and he was dead wrong on that. Quantum mechanics is no more otherworldly or whacky than much of the stuff most of you call crazy.

You can go ahead and say it's attitudes and thinking like mine that perpetuates this stuff, I don't care! Scientists are proven wrong more than you might think. Today's silliness is often tomorrow's truth. The Scientific Method is based on the assumption that you go into an experiment or analysis without bias either way. Often, it seems that many experiments end up proving exactly the opposite of what the experimenter "expected" before things began. I'm not even gonna talk about how poorly most "scientific studies" are put together. Real Scientists are more than willing to say "I don't know". Equally honest are the ones who say "based on what we know at this time". I can live with that. Just making fun of ideas doesn't feed the bulldog for me.

[ad5mb]

If someone could please explain...

The straight parrallel lines

The right angle checkerboards

Why these straight parrallel lines and right angle checkerboards show up over Albuquerque and Las Vegas but not WSMR or the NTS

[n2ize]

You can go ahead and say it's attitudes and thinking like mine that perpetuates this stuff, I don't care! Scientists are proven wrong more than you might think.


No, scientists are never "proven" wrong because there is no valid concept of "proof" in science.


Today's silliness is often tomorrow's truth. The Scientific Method is based on the assumption that you go into an experiment or analysis without bias either way.


Not nessesarilly. You go in with an idea of what might be causing a certain phenomenon. Then you make careful observation and draw a hypothesis which you test via experimentation. You never "prove" your hypothesis.


Often, it seems that many experiments end up proving exactly the opposite of what the experimenter "expected" before things began.


No they don't. Scientific xxperiments don't "prove" anything, let alone prove the opposite. They may or may not provide support for the hypothesis being tested depending on the outcomes.


I'm not even gonna talk about how poorly most "scientific studies" are put together.


Really. I presume you are a research scholar and you are highly qualified to analyze and critique research methodiologies ?


Real Scientists are more than willing to say "I don't know". Equally honest are the ones who say "based on what we know at this time". I can live with that. Just making fun of ideas doesn't feed the bulldog for me.

What is a "real scientist". Science is merely a process by which one makes abn observation, build and test a hypothesis via observation and experimentation. The strength of a theory or a hypothesis is based of the probability that the hypothesis is correct as determined via the experiments conducted

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[KI4ZSZ]

W1JSB:

Calm down. Put the bong down and step away from it.

[KC9IUX]

And flouridation of the water supply.

Yes, it's wonderful.

That's why the Nazi's put it in the concentration camps water.:rolleyes:

[KC9IUX]

http://www.naturalnews.com/cartoons/Fluoride_Water_Main_600.jpg

[K7VV]

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And flouridation of the water supply.

Yes, it's wonderful.

That's why the Nazi's put it in the concentration camps water.

Wonder where u got this one, never heard it before. Didn't know the SS was concerned about the teeth of those they were about to kill.....

hmmm...

de K7VV

[KC9IUX]

Ref. book: "The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben" by Joseph Borkin.

The first occurrence of fluoridated drinking water on Earth was found in Germany's Nazi prison camps. The Gestapo had little concern about fluoride's supposed effect on children's teeth; their alleged reason for mass-medicating water with sodium fluoride was to sterilize humans and force the people in their concentration camps into calm submission.

[n2ize]

Ref. book: "The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben" by Joseph Borkin.

The first occurrence of fluoridated drinking water on Earth was found in Germany's Nazi prison camps. The Gestapo had little concern about fluoride's supposed effect on children's teeth; their alleged reason for mass-medicating water with sodium fluoride was to sterilize humans and force the people in their concentration camps into calm submission.


The first occurences of flouridated drinking water occuered in natural water sources that happened by chance to have a high flouride content.

As far as the nazi's go I think they missed the mark with respect to water flouridation.

[KC9IUX]

Maybe the first deliberate occurrence.

Never the less, do you think Hitler had dental hygiene in mind?

[n2ize]

Maybe the first deliberate occurrence.

Never the less, do you think Hitler had dental hygiene in mind?

No. But in what quantities did he floridate the water in concentration camps versus the amount of flouride added to domestic drinking water ? Apparently flouridation doesn't have the effect of mass sterilization or mass complacency in the concentrations added to drinking water.

I am not saying that I am for or against water flouridation. Since the crux of this threasd is based on the idea of conspiracy theory my mention of flouridation of the water supply was meant to be a takeoff on the movie Dr. Strangelove in which General Jack T. Ripper goes into his famous tirade about the communist plot of water flouridation. The contamination of our "precious bodily fluids".

[KC9IUX]

It's been a long time since I've seen that one.

Have to look for it.

But please don't be naive about those in charge poisoning people.

Just look at the Tuskegee project, atomic soldiers and other things that are admited.

[W4HAY]

Gort! Klaatu barada nikto!

[ka5row]

I do not enjoy sharing depressing information, but in order to bring about positive changes I feel that people should be aware of what is going on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdtLTyNOB0A

What a crock of BS.

:eek: Hay!! see you on 20 meters some time.

[n2ize]

It's been a long time since I've seen that one.

Have to look for it.

But please don't be naive about those in charge poisoning people.

Just look at the Tuskegee project, atomic soldiers and other things that are admited.

I understand that and I don't deny that the government must be watched. However, the "chemtrails" people are not offering anything tangible, only nutter speculations and tinfoil hat conspiracy. The entire premise of their argument which states that real contrails don't persist is wrong. How long a contrail persists and at what altitude it forms is dependent on the weather conditions at various flight levels. Under the right conditions of humidity and temperature contrails can persist, scatter and connect with other contrails. eventually clouding up the sky. Living in a metro area near several major airports and flight routes I have seen it happening here since I was a child. It certainly is not mass crop dusting of the populous.

[w2amr]

I do not enjoy sharing depressing information, but in order to bring about positive changes I feel that people should be aware of what is going on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdtLTyNOB0A
15 seconds of my life, wasted. Gone forever. :(

[K7RQ]

When hyrocarbon fuels are burned, water is one of the products formed by the process, as anyone who took Chemistry 101 knows. If it happens way up where it's very cold, it may freeze and become visible contrails.

[wa8rti]

When hyrocarbon fuels are burned, water is one of the products formed by the process, as anyone who took Chemistry 101 knows. If it happens way up where it's very cold, it may freeze and become visible contrails.
That statement makes to much sense and lacks the proper conspiracy touch that these people want. You can't convince those who believe in the black helicopters and wear the foil hats of something a simple as elementary chemistry :D

[n2ize]

You rang ??

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u268/explodesniff/tinfoil-hat.jpg

[k4kyv]

The conspiracy is fully explained here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcR7VX-FwDY&feature=related) at 09:27 into the video. The purpose of chemtrails is to obscure views of detailed features of human artifacts on the earth's surface, from orbiting cameras.