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KG4JYD
07-03-2008, 03:15 AM
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An online campaign to scuttle a deal giving retroactive amnesty to telecoms that helped the government warrantlessly wiretap Americans is growing in strength, catching Senator Barack Obama between the Netroots that helped vaunt him to the nomination and a presidential campaign desire to seem strong on national security.



Last year, Obama won accolades from the netroots by vowing to fight against any bill that granted retroactive amnesty to the telecoms that helped the government warrantlessly spy on Americans.



But last week, portions of the netroots revolted when Obama changed his stance regarding the current version of the bill, saying that while he would fight against amnesty, he would vote for the final bill (http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/06/obama-supports.html) regardless because exanding the spying powers of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act was necessary for national security.



Those changes and words weren't enough for some his supporters, who created an action group on my.barackobama.com called "Senator Obama - Please Vote No on Telecom Immunity (http://my.barackobama.com/page/group/SenatorObama-PleaseVoteAgainstFISA)."



That's the senator's own site to motivate supporters to create groups that can take action on their own.



Though just created on June 25, it has quickly grown to quickly grown to being the fifth largest out of more than 7,000 groups, with more than 4,700 members as of Monday morning. That's just one place short of the Women for Obama group.

The Senate is set to take up the bill, along with a few amendments to limit or strike the amnesty clause, on July 8. The bill is widely expected to pass, and in February, similar amendments to strip or limit the immunity failed to pass.


That leaves a little more than a week to see how Obama, now one of the leaders of his party, responds to the new technological revolution in politics that he has championed.


SOURCE:
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/06/telecom-amnes-1.html

N4VGB
07-03-2008, 03:40 AM
Matt, join this group and work hard to overturn this bill that has already passed, get back to us in a year or so, PLEASE. :)

n0ov
07-03-2008, 02:38 PM
Obama made the right call on this one. The ones accountable are not the telephone companies but rather the ones submitting the illegal request for taps to the phone companies.

Of course, the same folks complaining are the ones who think taking guns out of the hands of legal citizens will stop the criminals from using guns in crimes or to hurt/kill people.

KG4JYD
07-03-2008, 03:03 PM
Obama made the right call on this one. The ones accountable are not the telephone companies but rather the ones submitting the illegal request for taps to the phone companies. Incorrect.

The government coerced the telephone companies into these illegal actions. In fact they violated their own user privacy rules. This is what happens when the government grants monopolies, it then seeks to control them and manipulate them to its end. Actually it works both ways - big business LIKES big government because big government can regulate and legislate in favor of big business. Buying Congressmen is less expensive than competing in the free market.


The Telcos should be sued over this because THEY HELPED THE GOVERNMENT BREAK THE LAW. THEY WERE ACCESSORIES AND WERE COMPLAISANT. This is self-proven by the fact that the government wouldn't seek retroactive immunity for them if there was nothing to hide now would they?


Again the fundamental problem is big government propping up big business. Could someone tell me where in the Constitution the federal government is allowed to regulate communications?