View Full Version : Iraq Invasion- About Oil After All
N0WVA
07-02-2008, 06:09 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/world/middleeast/19iraq.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Why is it these oil companies come out smelling like a rose every time? Must be nice to have an entire country fund a takeover of Iraq so they can get its natural resources.
We pay for the war so we can pay at the pump. And the prices are higher than ever.
They dont even use vaseline any more...:(
wa8rti
07-02-2008, 06:37 PM
And you expected otherwise. I love the fact that Cheney holds a meeting on energy policy and the American people are not allowed to know who attended or what was discussed/decided. Energy prices are at record levels and we are not allowed any information on that 2001 meeting other than the fact that it was held. What exactly is it about energy policy that is that secret-unless you have something to hid! Talk about arrogance of power! :mad:
Lessee...
Presdent - Oil Man
Vice President - Oil Man
Two terms in office - Astronomical Oil Prices.
See sig...
W4INF
07-02-2008, 06:59 PM
Lessee...
Presdent - Oil Man
Vice President - Oil Man
Two terms in office - Astronomical Oil Prices.
See sig...
You forgot,
Previous President (The current president's father) - Oil Man
Weird how this works out, aye?
Andrew
K8ERV
07-02-2008, 07:17 PM
I still say we should have just bought Iraq. Cheeper.
TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo
N4VGB
07-02-2008, 07:37 PM
Why is it these oil companies come out smelling like a rose every time? Must be nice to have an entire country fund a takeover of Iraq so they can get its natural resources.
Hmmmm, can't read can we? Service contracts that offer no percentage of the actual oil production, strictly like you hiring a plumber at home.
Personally I hire plumbers for plumbing, roofers for roofing work, electricians for electrical work, carpenters for carpentry, etc.
I suppose you call a sheetrock company to roof your place?
Let's see now, I own oil wells that are in dire need of servicing and upgrades? Who would I contract to do this work? Gee, guess I'd contract with an oil company!!! :rolleyes:
N0WVA
07-02-2008, 07:49 PM
Hmmmm, can't read can we? Service contracts that offer no percentage of the actual oil production, strictly like you hiring a plumber at home.
Personally I hire plumbers for plumbing, roofers for roofing work, electricians for electrical work, carpenters for carpentry, etc.
I suppose you call a sheetrock company to roof your place?
Let's see now, I own oil wells that are in dire need of servicing and upgrades? Who would I contract to do this work? Gee, guess I'd contract with an oil company!!! :rolleyes:
Perhaps you need to read.
“The bigger prize everybody is waiting for is development of the giant new fields,” Leila Benali, an authority on Middle East oil at Cambridge Energy Research Associates, said in a telephone interview from the firm’s Paris office. The current contracts, she said, are a “foothold” in Iraq for companies striving for these longer-term deals.
Sensitive to the appearance that they were profiting from the war and already under pressure because of record high oil prices, senior officials of two of the companies, speaking only on the condition that they not be identified, said they were helping Iraq rebuild its decrepit oil industry.
They include a provision that could allow the companies to reap large profits at today’s prices: the ministry and companies are negotiating payment in oil rather than cash.
This is a show for you and you are believing it. I think we all know who controls Iraqs oil, and its not the Iraqis.
Thats why its a no-bid contract, DUHHHHH.
Tooo plus tooo Jorge,duuhhhhuh, equals four? Duh?
k9kxq
07-02-2008, 07:53 PM
Ya can't argue facts with the Dilly, he has the "right" answer for everything...
kxq
Ya can't argue facts with the Dilly, he has the "right" answer for everything...
kxq
True that. He's an all-purpose tool.
N4VGB
07-02-2008, 08:49 PM
Thats why its a no-bid contract, DUHHHHH.
Tooo plus tooo Jorge,duuhhhhuh, equals four? Duh?
Guess you're unaware that the Iraqi Parliament has already released the list of prospective bidders on the new oil fields and that not a single U.S. oil company is on that list?
They're all the big internatonal oil companies.
The U.S. is not the home of the big players in crude oil production. :rolleyes:
About 40 years ago the U.S. oil companies were partnered with Iraq on oil production. So the existing oil fields are using old U.S. gear.
Now this is just me, but I don't take my Dodge truck to the Chevrolet dealer for service. :rolleyes:
Guess you're unaware that the Iraqi Parliament has already released the list of prospective bidders on the new oil fields and that not a single U.S. oil company is on that list?
They're all the big international oil companies.
The U.S. is not the home of the big players in crude oil production. :rolleyes:
About 40 years ago the U.S. oil companies were partnered with Iraq on oil production. So the existing oil fields are using old U.S. gear.
Now this is just me, but I don't take my Dodge truck to the Chevrolet dealer for service. :rolleyes:
I don't take my Chevy truck to a Dodge dealer either... :D:D:D
What does the word 'globalization' mean?
de K7VV
n2ize
07-02-2008, 09:50 PM
What does the word 'globalization' mean?
de K7VV
Duh, it means you are in the globe making business ? :confused:
W1GUH
07-02-2008, 11:17 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/world/middleeast/19iraq.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Why is it these oil companies come out smelling like a rose every time? Must be nice to have an entire country fund a takeover of Iraq so they can get its natural resources.
We pay for the war so we can pay at the pump. And the prices are higher than ever.
They dont even use vaseline any more...:(
Well, there was on car for sale out in the sticks that ran on vaseline, and the guy who took it out for a test drive got lost......
There's a very funny joke about that over in Joke Thread Redux......
Remember George said that the war would cost less than a couple of billion, be over in 6 weeks and that Iraqi oil would pay for the whole thing!! Gee, how could you forget those great predictions.......
de K7VV
k9kxq
07-03-2008, 12:09 AM
Remember George said that the war would cost less than a couple of billion, be over in 6 weeks and that Iraqi oil would pay for the whole thing!! Gee, how could you forget those great predictions.......
de K7VV
Oh ya, don't forget it was said the war would be a cake walk... who's got cake on the face now...
kxq
He declared victory!
We won!
(Now, would somebody please tell 'the other side' that they lost, I don't think they know that yet...)
de K7VV
And,
what did oil peak at today?
Hmmmmmm.....
and this is 'Victory'??
Bought to you by the Neocon For President Committee, J. McBush, Chairman
k9kxq
07-03-2008, 12:41 AM
He declared victory!
We won!
(Now, would somebody please tell 'the other side' that they lost, I don't think they know that yet...)
de K7VV
In 1983 when Reagan ordered the trops out of Lebanon the same banner was above the troops boarding to leave "Mission Accomplished" I guess that was loaned to Bush,tragic we lost 241 troops... Did Reagan "cut and run" ?
kxq
wa8rti
07-03-2008, 01:27 AM
To the right wing defenders who post here I pose a question. What good reason can you find for the secrecy that surrounds Cheney's 2001 energy policy meeting? What about American's energy policy is so sensitive that it must be withheld from the American people? And why must the attendees remain anonymous . The reasons the VP gave hold water about as well as a bucket with holes. And no I can not accept that it's that way because Dicky says so. In the words of Ricky Ricardo-"Splain please"! Enlighten this poor uneducated liberal. :D
k9kxq
07-03-2008, 02:03 AM
Hang on Dilly will be "right" with you... :D
kxq
N4VGB
07-03-2008, 03:30 AM
To the right wing defenders who post here I pose a question. What good reason can you find for the secrecy that surrounds Cheney's 2001 energy policy meeting? What about American's energy policy is so sensitive that it must be withheld from the American people? And why must the attendees remain anonymous . The reasons the VP gave hold water about as well as a bucket with holes. And no I can not accept that it's that way because Dicky says so. In the words of Ricky Ricardo-"Splain please"! Enlighten this poor uneducated liberal. :D
Gee, could be the same reason Obama and Axelrod meetings are closed and private? What could those two dastardly characters be plotting? Only crooks meet in private eh? Guess Obama is a crook then. :p
k9kxq
07-03-2008, 05:38 AM
See, what did I tell ya... :rolleyes:
kxq
w2amr
07-03-2008, 10:37 AM
Ya can't argue facts with the Dilly, he has the "right" answer for everything...
kxqno, he has an ANSWER for everything.
w2amr
07-03-2008, 10:41 AM
Gee, could be the same reason Obama and Axelrod meetings are closed and private? What could those two dastardly characters be plotting? Only crooks meet in private eh? Guess Obama is a crook then. :p
Stuck on stupid.
Anybody remember when Cheney had a meeting in the white house that included oil company executives, to set the country's energy policies?
wa8rti
07-03-2008, 12:03 PM
To VGB: I honestly asked for an answer and not a smart alect 'well look at what the libs did'. That type of answer seems to happen a lot when the right siders here don't , won't or can't answer the questions asked. I really wish you would help me understand the secrecy. Or is there no good reason? :confused: And please note that Obama is not the POTUS (yet)setting offical government policy. Should he be elected, I would object just as strongly if secret meetings with secret attendees were held regarding America's energy future!
To the right wing defenders who post here I pose a question. What good reason can you find for the secrecy that surrounds Cheney's 2001 energy policy meeting? What about American's energy policy is so sensitive that it must be withheld from the American people? And why must the attendees remain anonymous . The reasons the VP gave hold water about as well as a bucket with holes. And no I can not accept that it's that way because Dicky says so. In the words of Ricky Ricardo-"Splain please"! Enlighten this poor uneducated liberal. :D
More flailing around by the LEFT. If there is a case, take it to court, if Cheney violated the law, start impeachment proceedings. Fact is, there is no violation, the LEFT knows it, and if they could prove otherwise, they would be all over it in the DEM Congress.
W8EFA
07-03-2008, 02:11 PM
Lessee...
Presdent - Oil Man
Vice President - Oil Man
Two terms in office - Astronomical Oil Prices.
See sig...
Well GWB couldn't find any oil in Texas:confused:
But gosh darn it he is not as stupid as he looks, he found some in Iraq!
wa8rti
07-03-2008, 03:11 PM
More flailing around by the LEFT. If there is a case, take it to court, if Cheney violated the law, start impeachment proceedings. Fact is, there is no violation, the LEFT knows it, and if they could prove otherwise, they would be all over it in the DEM Congress.
Same stock non-answer as that of VGB. Just because Cheney could hold a secret meeting (and that the court agreed) does not make it morally right. With gas at $4+/gal, the American people deserve a better answer. You apparently don't have one. But then we need to remember that Cheney when confronting the statement that the majority of Americans no longer support the Iraq war answered with "So". He takes pride in unbridled arrogance and thumbing his nose at the American people!
KD6NIG
07-03-2008, 03:17 PM
Well GWB couldn't find any oil in Texas:confused:
But gosh darn it he is not as stupid as he looks, he found some in Iraq!
You don't have to find the oil. You just have to find the money and someone to broker you so you can buy futures.
I have a feeling that many of these speculators don't have a clue about oil, except for when they pump a byproduct of it into their SUV. Some trader called them and said "you should invest in oil! Its going to climb to the moon!" (then, of course, they had to say the disclaimer really fast like they do on TV that you could lose all of your money.) People invested and they made money, so they continue to do it.
Like I said before in another thread, there is going to be a major correction when we, China, and the other leading consumers simply look in our pocketbooks and say we can't afford all of that oil anymore, so we're going to start consuming less. Not because we want to, but because we have to. And whoever is left holding those futures when that happens is going to be crying like a baby.
We're not going to explore alternative means because we want to, it will be because we have to. I know I'm not driving nearly as much as I did 2 years ago, and I know I'm not alone. The order rates have to be starting to fall now. Its just not a big enough amount yet for the panic to set in. Course they announced this morning that USA oil on hand (stocks) are down. I'm betting its not because of increased consumption by everyone, its likely because we didn't have as much shipped to us. I mean, come on, companies aren't stupid-you don't order tons extra unless you're getting it at a great price. You order what you need to fill your orders. Of COURSE supplies are going to be down if you order less! But hey, everyone will believe that there was this sudden glut of consumption and we'll be at $150 by the end of the day.
When the price tanks, I hope you're not holding onto any paper for the new record set. When it takes a $15 dollar dive, 10,000 futures means a pretty significant loss, and I doubt your broker is going to do anything but point to the disclaimer he read to you at 300MPH. Better yet, that may be the speed in which he hangs up on you and has your number blocked so you can't reach him anymore with your complaints :)
what was the price of a barrel of oil today?
de K7VV
(got 74MPG on my last tank of gas!)
Iraq oil, and the US, the real story....
http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=Y2FjZTA4N2ZiYzIxY2Q2ZTkzN2ZjYTZlZDVmMDZlZTQ=
having read the article, what do you think the answer to the question is, other than that the US is an Empire alright, but a benevolent and self-effacing one?
de K7VV
Here you go LIBS, change the subject again, we know your invested in defeat in Iraq.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article4276486.ece
W4DFW
07-07-2008, 03:43 AM
what was the price of a barrel of oil today?
de K7VV
(got 74MPG on my last tank of gas!)
17 MPG in my big SUV!!
...........Bob <-------doing all he can to burn up all the oil so we can find other energy sources!
Why not link gas rationing to intelligence.
The smarter you are,
the more gasoline you rate.
That way,
the neo-cons and rightwingnuts
wouldn't be able to get outta their driveways!
de K7VV