View Full Version : This election really doesn't matter
W1GUH
06-29-2008, 07:06 AM
Presumably, it'll be Mr. McCain vs. Mr Obama.
Historical precedent says that whichever of those two assumes the duties of the President of the United Stats will keep on killing people in Iraq. There's much historical precedent that says that's the case.
Don't believe that? Read Mr. Ellsberg's book...
SECRETS:
A MEMOIR OF VIETNAM AND THE PENTAGON PAPERS
by Daniel Ellsberg
Read that book and you'll have an in depth understanding of how our government really works, and you will be as pessimistic as I am about a quick ending of the killing going on in Iraq.
It doesn't matter who wins the election in November.
The best thing this time is to vote for a third party, or write in whomever you want to.
A vote against the establishment is not wasted this year.
You want the status quo? i.e., the US killing innocent people, vote for McCain or Obama.
You think that's immoral...vote for any third party.
That's clear-cut.
Cheers!
n2ize
06-29-2008, 08:19 AM
You're assessment is right. The big name candidates are for the war and are for keeping it going.Obama, McCain it matters little. They both behold the same interests. That's why i don't care which one wins. Either way the wars go on. I'll go with Nader or some alternate candidate if I vote at all. At least I'll give someone else my support.
KC2KFC
06-29-2008, 11:28 AM
Another book you want to read is "The 48 Laws of Power" by Robert Greene and Joost Elffers. It will give some real insight into how people attain power and hold on to it and what leads many to their inevitable downfall. I often wonder if it is a must read for all politicians.
K8ERV
06-29-2008, 11:41 AM
It WOULD matter, if you elected me.
TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo
N4VGB
06-29-2008, 11:42 AM
A vote against the establishment is not wasted this year.
"On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." H. L. Mencken
It appears Mencken was correct, pick thy poison.
Presumably, it'll be Mr. McCain vs. Mr Obama.
Historical precedent says that whichever of those two assumes the duties of the President of the United Stats will keep on killing people in Iraq. Cheers!
It seems this is a huge surprise and shock only to liberals and democrats as we approach the election. The republican and conservative users of this site have been saying for upwards of at least a year the war will go on no matter who is in the white house. To which the left on this site roundly condemned with name calling such as warmongers and baby killers and said Hillary, Kerry, Obama, Edwards, Pelosi's Congress et al, all of em democrats will get us out, vote for them. After all, they promised.
Will wonders never cease, will the light ever go on in the libs mind that they are all liars. The only truthfull and logical thinking one in this issue is McCain who without hesitation and rightly so, said we will stay there for some time to which the left howled yet again, warmonger. Give it up already.
K2WH
K6BBC
06-29-2008, 05:22 PM
"Follow the money."
-- Deepthroat.
WB2WIK
06-30-2008, 12:16 AM
Vote for me, and I'll set you free!
(Hall of Confusion....)
Obama has no idea what to do when he enters the Oval Office, but presumably he has smart friends to advise him. McCain if elected might die in office, so I'm keeping an eye on who he selects as a running mate.
This is the first year in my voting history when I don't want to vote for either candidate. But historically a write-in is a wasted vote. My dog is a good candidate and if elected, will accept the office with vigor and candor and a Milk Bone.
Vote for "Pickles" for office. He's more bite than bark, since he's a Basenji and has no bark.
WB2WIK/6
N7RJD
06-30-2008, 01:13 AM
This election cycle is akin to rotating bald tires. The more things change the more they will stay the same.
k7van
06-30-2008, 01:28 AM
Good idea.
Don't vote.
Stay home.
But continue bitching.
That way, when we radical/liberal/commie/socialist/whale loving/anti-war/gayagendaadvancers and general subversives come to power we will know who you are and where you live.
First thing, be prepared to lose your callsigns.
Then keep a sharp eye out for the black helicopters.
Fit you tinfoil helmets on snugly.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean we ain't out to get you.
de K7VV
I'm with WIK on this. Seems like a waste of time this go around. If Barack Hussein O'bama (the double secret Muslim) wins, he will appoint Muslim leaders to important positions in the government and destroy our democracy.
If McCain wins, well........ I don't have an answer to that, that's why I'll just sit home and watch "F" troop reruns.
k2WH
k7van
06-30-2008, 03:34 PM
On the one hand he was a Black Liberation Christian on the extreme fringe of Christianity.
But, on the other hand he was raised by a Muslim extremist father in a madrasa in Moslem land and is a secret terrorist.
Isn't there some kind of logic (look up the word Republicans, you're probably not that familiar with its meaning) problem here. How can he be both at the same time.....?
de K7VV
On the one hand he was a Black Liberation Christian on the extreme fringe of Christianity.
But, on the other hand he was raised by a Muslim extremist father in a madrasa in Moslem land and is a secret terrorist.
Isn't there some kind of logic (look up the word Republicans, you're probably not that familiar with its meaning) problem here. How can he be both at the same time.....?
de K7VV
Dont' know if you are referring to my comments but, I believe Obama is the anti-Christ. No more explanation is required.
K2WH
N4VGB
06-30-2008, 05:18 PM
Dont' know if you are referring to my comments but, I believe Obama is the anti-Christ. No more explanation is required.
K2WH
You give the Big O far too much credit, he ain't that good.
He's just a typical American politician, attempting to be all things to all people. Nothing more than a replay of Bill Clinton with more money and less brain power.
W3MIV
06-30-2008, 05:34 PM
Dont' know if you are referring to my comments but, I believe Obama is the anti-Christ. No more explanation is required.
K2WH
No explanation is demanded. We already know of your racism, and we have come to expect it in any post you make about Obama.
K6BBC
06-30-2008, 06:52 PM
Shirley you jest.
bbc
Dont' know if you are referring to my comments but, I believe Obama is the anti-Christ. No more explanation is required.
K2WH
W3MIV
06-30-2008, 07:01 PM
Don't call me Shirley.
k7van
06-30-2008, 09:44 PM
People who even have such thoughts should be lead slowly and carefully to a rubber room, and left there.
de K7VV
The anti-christ.....really....
how do people even get so confused mentally to come up with a thought like that.....it's positively medieval......11th century stuff....the anti-christ.....
really? are you gearing up for a Crusade?
No explanation is demanded. We already know of your racism, and we have come to expect it in any post you make about Obama.
I recognize O'Clinton for what he is? He is not an African American he is a mulatto and does not fit the mold of your typical African American according to the book of Al and Jesse.
Webster defines O'Clinton exactly.
K2WH
People who even have such thoughts should be lead slowly and carefully to a rubber room, and left there.
de K7VV
The anti-christ.....really....
how do people even get so confused mentally to come up with a thought like that.....it's positively medieval......11th century stuff....the anti-christ.....
really? are you gearing up for a Crusade?
Ah, don't say that word, Muslims will come looking for you.
K2WH
K6BBC
06-30-2008, 11:51 PM
The closet thing I met to the anti-Christ was my ex wife followed closely by Dick Cheney and Barry Bonds.
bbc
Ah, don't say that word, Muslims will come looking for you.
K2WH
People who even have such thoughts should be lead slowly and carefully to a rubber room, and left there.
de K7VV
The anti-christ.....really....
how do people even get so confused mentally to come up with a thought like that.....it's positively medieval......11th century stuff....the anti-christ.....
really? are you gearing up for a Crusade?
Well W3MIV believes I am a racist and has said so a few times and also notice he has called or suggested others on this site are also racists. He uses the term liberally at the mere mention or making reference to ones skin color makes you a racist.
However, I am not its just that MIV is a self-hating old white man who seems to be embarrassed that he is white and any mention that O'Clinton (Obama) is 1/2 white and/or 1/2 black making him by definition a mulatto makes one a racist for simply mentioning the truth about the mans heritage in any way, positive or otherwise.
K2WH
P.S. No I don't believe there is such a thing as an anti-christ or christ for that matter. We just got to remember, this site is supposed to be fun but some make it a career.
W3MIV
07-01-2008, 03:31 PM
Well W3MIV believes I am a racist and has said so a few times and also notice he has called or suggested others on this site are also racists. He uses the term liberally at the mere mention or making reference to ones skin color makes you a racist.
However, I am not...
Your continual reference to Obama as being a mulatto is indicative of your racial vitriol. If you are not a racist, as you proclaim, what possible relevance is there to your continual irruptions with regard to his racial characteristics? How many people on any of these political threads, including you the David-Duke wannabe, immediately bring up the fact that Hillary is White, or that McCain is White, or that any other of the many candidates that have run are either White or Black or anywhere in between?
Failing either any political relevance (other than to incite other racists), or any other instances of racial detailing, the proof is quite clear that you are fixated on the race issue. That is a definition of a racist.
...its just that MIV is a self-hating old white man who seems to be embarrassed that he is white...
That is a weak rejoinder even from you, who are among the record holders for weak ripostes and insipid excuses.
You have been slung in the scales and found wanting. Greatly so.
"On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." H. L. Mencken
It appears Mencken was correct, pick thy poison.
Hey, didn't you vote for that moron? :rolleyes:
Your continual reference to Obama as being a mulatto is indicative of your racial vitriol. If you are not a racist, as you proclaim, what possible relevance is there to your continual irruptions with regard to his racial characteristics? How many people on any of these political threads, including you the David-Duke wannabe, immediately bring up the fact that Hillary is White, or that McCain is White, or that any other of the many candidates that have run are either White or Black or anywhere in between?
Failing either any political relevance (other than to incite other racists), or any other instances of racial detailing, the proof is quite clear that you are fixated on the race issue. That is a definition of a racist.
That is a weak rejoinder even from you, who are among the record holders for weak ripostes and insipid excuses.
You have been slung in the scales and found wanting. Greatly so.
Too bad you don't understand your own delusions. Calling you a white person or O'Clinton a mulatto under your definition would make me or anyone else a racist simply for speaking the truth.
At this point, you are a slug unworthy of further retort since you seem fixated on calling otherwise normal individuals that which you apparently believe you are not. Perhaps you might at your late age need some diversity training or additional training to understand the true meaning of that which you accuse others of practicing.
K2WH
W3MIV
07-01-2008, 07:30 PM
Too bad you don't understand your own delusions. Calling you a white person or O'Clinton a mulatto under your definition would make me or anyone else a racist simply for speaking the truth.
At this point, you are a slug unworthy of further retort since you seem fixated on calling otherwise normal individuals that which you apparently believe you are not. Perhaps you might at your late age need some diversity training or additional training to understand the true meaning of that which you accuse others of practicing.
K2WH
Your ad hominems merely amplify the truth of my assertion. No one would point out the fact that I am of any race unless the fact of my race were deemed important. That is a classic definition of racism; that you cannot or will not admit to it is indicative of a melding of cowardice along with the bigotry.
I am under no delusions. Too bad you cannot say the same.
K6BBC
07-01-2008, 07:36 PM
Just for information -- the word MULATTO is considered a pejorative in common use English.
bbc
W3MIV
07-01-2008, 07:52 PM
Just for information -- the word MULATTO is considered a pejorative in common use English.
bbc
Indeed it is; it is tantamount to the older and nastier "high yellow" defamation. I would not at all be surprised to find that in a post on this topic. No one but a racist has any interest in Obama's lineage; his ideas and his intellect are all that is material to the issue. Should anyone wish to point out his relative lack of experience, one must confess there is a measure of concern in that. He would not be, however, the first successful president who lacked political, elective experience before taking the office.
Just for information -- the word MULATTO is considered a pejorative in common use English.
bbc
Really, when did that happen? Jesse and Al didn't inform me. Is it in the "Banned Word" dictionary? My dictionary says nothing about the world Mulatto as a pejorative term neither does Wikipedia as follows.
"Mulatto" was an official census category until 1930. In the south of the country, mulattos inherited slave status if their mothers were slaves. As for free mulattos, in Spanish and French-influenced areas of the South prior to the Civil War, a number of mulattos were free and slave-owning.
Although it is commonly used to describe individuals of mixed European and African descent, it originally referred to anyone with mixed ethnicities; in fact, in the United States, "mulatto" was also used as a term for those of mixed white and Native American ancestry during the early census years.
MIV tries to make the point that any reference to a persons lineage makes that person a racist. His words: "No one but a racist has any interest in Obama's lineage". Therefore the mere fact that O'Clinton is a mulatto makes one a racist for merely mentioning it because in MIV's view, why should that matter. My answer to that is - It doesn't, it is a fact O'clinton is a mulatto just as I am white and my friend is Puerto Rican. End of story.
K2WH
W3MIV
07-01-2008, 08:41 PM
From the Concise OED:
mulatto
■ noun (plural mulattoes or mulattos) offensive a person with one white and one black parent.
■ adjective relating to or denoting a mulatto or mulattoes.
C16: from Sp. mulato 'young mule or mulatto', formed irregularly from mulo 'mule'.
© Oxford University Press, 2004
Your smarmy reference to "Jesse and Al" is further evidence of your racism. Such comments are wholly unnecessary and contribute nothing to a discussion other than a vivid affirmation of your bigotry.
From the Concise OED:
Your smarmy reference to "Jesse and Al" is further evidence of your racism. Such comments are wholly unnecessary and contribute nothing to a discussion other than a vivid affirmation of your bigotry.
So your Oxford dictionary says something different than my Websters and wikipedia. If you don't think Al and Jesse are racists, then you are a bigger loser than I thought. I'm finished with this discussion which will go no where.
K2WH
W3MIV
07-01-2008, 09:01 PM
So your Oxford dictionary says something different than my Websters and wikipedia. If you don't think Al and Jesse are racists, then you are a bigger loser than I thought. I'm finished with this discussion which will go no where.
K2WH
Of course you are finished; you were finished long before you started. The point of this discussion is not, was not, any racism on the part of anyone other than you. You have been shown time and again to be a bigot. Failing at every attempt to show otherwise, you now flee with tucked tail.
N4VGB
07-01-2008, 09:34 PM
his ideas and his intellect are all that is material to the issue.
And that is exactly where Mr. Obama may falter without David Axelrod behind him. The product on display today is an engineered illusion of David Axelrod & Associates.
Mr. Axelrod must be the supreme product of the James Carville School of Politics. I see many parallels between the current Obama campaign and the one engineered by James Carville for Bill Clinton during the primaries.
Some of Mr. Obama's most troubling "misspokes" have taken place in direct conversation and now such situations are totallly avoided by his campaign. No more "town hall" type talks allowed.
W1GUH
07-01-2008, 10:05 PM
Another book you want to read is "The 48 Laws of Power" by Robert Greene and Joost Elffers. It will give some real insight into how people attain power and hold on to it and what leads many to their inevitable downfall. I often wonder if it is a must read for all politicians.
Thanks for the suggestion, it sounds like a good one.
W1GUH
07-01-2008, 10:08 PM
"On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." H. L. Mencken
It appears Mencken was correct, pick thy poison.
That's a very pithy and timely use of that quote. I would suggest that that "glorious day" was at least 28 years ago, but it probably goes much further back then that, and things have been on a "steady downward trajectory" ever since.
W1GUH
07-01-2008, 10:12 PM
Vote for me, and I'll set you free!
(Hall of Confusion....)
Obama has no idea what to do when he enters the Oval Office, but presumably he has smart friends to advise him. McCain if elected might die in office, so I'm keeping an eye on who he selects as a running mate.
This is the first year in my voting history when I don't want to vote for either candidate. But historically a write-in is a wasted vote. My dog is a good candidate and if elected, will accept the office with vigor and candor and a Milk Bone.
Vote for "Pickles" for office. He's more bite than bark, since he's a Basenji and has no bark.
WB2WIK/6
"But historically a write-in is a wasted vote."
I'd say that this year the only wasted vote would be for the two majors. Even though write-ins and third party candidates have virtually no chance of winning anything, it would seem (but I'm probably being totally naive about this) that a significant total number of write-ins and third-party votes could be useful.
W1GUH
07-01-2008, 10:14 PM
Dont' know if you are referring to my comments but, I believe Obama is the anti-Christ. No more explanation is required.
K2WH
If my understanding of the concept of the anti-christ is accurate, nobody who looks like he/she could be the anti-christ, by definition, can't be the anti-christ. It is said to be someone who nobody could ever believe is the anti-christ.
K0RGR
07-01-2008, 10:36 PM
Senator Obama is not the Anti-Christ. He is the Anti-Bush. That's all any rational person needs to know.
K0RGR
07-01-2008, 10:38 PM
Senator Obama is not the anti-Christ, he is the anti-Bush. That's all we need to know.
Of course you are finished; you were finished long before you started. The point of this discussion is not, was not, any racism on the part of anyone other than you. You have been shown time and again to be a bigot. Failing at every attempt to show otherwise, you now flee with tucked tail.
Albert I haven't even started. I could go on but you are so convinced I am a racist to which I say I am not. OK, here is my last of this thread.
Just answer this one question:
Is Barack Hussien Obama a black American. A simple Yes or No will suffice.
W3MIV
07-02-2008, 12:07 AM
Albert I haven't even started. I could go on but you are so convinced I am a racist to which I say I am not. OK, here is my last of this thread.
Just answer this one question:
Is Barack Hussien Obama a black American. A simple Yes or No will suffice.
Obama is an American; that's all that matters.
N4VGB
07-02-2008, 12:37 AM
Obama is an American; that's all that matters.
According to Wesley Clark's statements, perhaps the only deciding factor necessary?
Just me, I tend to want a little more.
W1GUH
07-02-2008, 05:26 AM
I saw him on the news tonight (kept the sound off). What was that lapel pin? Didn't look like a flag.