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KG4JYD
06-29-2008, 02:22 AM
Group holds renegade Nevada GOP convention


By By MARTIN GRIFFITH
Associated Press Writer,


RENO, Nev. (AP) — A group of disaffected Republicans held a renegade state convention Saturday and exposed divisions that threaten to dog the party up to the national party convention and beyond.

Organizers maintained the gathering was a lawful reconvening of the GOP’s recessed April 26 state convention in Reno. The party’s executive committee has set a July 26 date to resume the state convention.

The April convention was abruptly shut down prior to final votes on what was shaping up as a national convention delegation with more backers for Ron Paul than presumptive GOP presidential nominee John McCain.

Paul supporters and others voted Saturday to reconvene the state convention after determining the 327 delegates in attendance constituted a quorum.

They sharply criticized state Sen. Bob Beers, R-Las Vegas, who chaired the earlier convention.

“He had no authority to recess the convention without a vote, and this is a continuation of that convention,” said convention Chair Mike Weber, a McCain supporter.

Some delegates said they thought 690 delegates were necessary for a quorum, and that Saturday’s convention would be challenged by state party officials.

Organizers had maintained that under party rules the convention could reconvene as long as a majority was present. Nearly 1,400 Republicans were at the party’s April convention.

But they said Saturday that the number of delegates at the April convention was in dispute because they were refused a list of delegates.
They pledged to take their fight to be recognized as the legitimate convention all the way to the Sept. 1-4 Republican National Convention in Minneapolis-St. Paul.

“They’ll have to support this convention or the other convention,” Weber said. “We have a small hole to go through to make an appeal stick.”
Any appeal would first be considered by the RNC, then by a national convention committee, he said.

Zachary Moyle, the state GOP’s executive director, and John Thompson, a spokesman for the RNC, did not immediately return phone calls seeking comment Saturday.

Results of voting for delegates to the national convention were expected to be released later Saturday.

Wayne Terhune, a Paul supporter and Sparks dentist, paid for the convention room at the Grand Sierra Resort in Reno.
Even though their candidate has ended his campaign, some Paul backers said they would cast a write-in vote for the Texas congressman in November.

“I think most (Paul supporters) feel like I do — that John McCain is closer to a Democrat than a conservative,” said Robert Terhune, 26, of Reno, the convention organizer’s son. “I certainly wouldn’t support him.”
Marion Vermazen of Reno, a McCain supporter and retired computer executive, said she thinks Paul supporters could affect McCain’s chances in Nevada.

President Bush narrowly carried the swing state in 2000 and 2004.
“It’s pretty clear there’s a large part of the party disaffected in Nevada,” Vermazen said. “You have to wonder if they’ll come out and vote for the establishment candidate in November.”

Like other Paul supporters, Josh Dillingham, 41, of Incline Village, hasn’t given up on his candidate yet.

“I think the media has skewed the results, and I still think it’s distinctly possible that Ron Paul could get the nomination,” he said, adding he will cast a write-in vote for him if he doesn’t.

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AE6IP
06-29-2008, 05:02 AM
Nothing like sore losers.

KG4JYD
06-29-2008, 05:37 AM
Nothing like sore losers.No, that's not what this is about at all. It's about changing the Republican Party from within.

AE6IP
06-29-2008, 05:25 PM
No, that's not what this is about at all. It's about changing the Republican Party from within.

No, Matt.

It's a small group of vocal people blaming everyone but their candidate for the fact that their candidate failed miserably in his campaign.

You don't change anything from within by silly things like "renegade conventions."

KB1PRQ
06-29-2008, 06:09 PM
Im all for Ron Paul....I voted for him in the primary and got a few friends interested/voting for him but the writings been on the wall for a while now. Its obvious most people in this country don't want an honest politician, they'd much rather have the guy who will just tell them what they want to hear.

KG4JYD
06-29-2008, 08:42 PM
It's a small group of vocal people blaming everyone but their candidate for the fact that their candidate failed miserably in his campaign.Incorrect again. There were indeed Romney and McCain supporters at the event as well. If you bothered to RTFA you would know that :rolleyes:



You don't change anything from within by silly things like "renegade conventions."Again incorrect. They have legally changed the Nevada GOP instilling new officers, and selecting a different slate of delegates. They have also changed the rules of the Nevada GOP. So to say "you don't change anything from within by these types of actions" is an absurdly ignorant statement.

K7JEM
06-29-2008, 09:16 PM
This says it all about their delusions:

Like other Paul supporters, Josh Dillingham, 41, of Incline Village, hasn’t given up on his candidate yet.

“I think the media has skewed the results, and I still think it’s distinctly possible that Ron Paul could get the nomination,” he said, adding he will cast a write-in vote for him if he doesn’t.


Joe

AE6IP
06-29-2008, 09:45 PM
Incorrect again. There were indeed Romney and McCain supporters at the event as well. If you bothered to RTFA you would know that

If you'd bothered to understand my response, you'd know I was talking about the RP noise makers who are sore losers. Do try to keep up Matt.

Again incorrect. They have legally changed the Nevada GOP instilling new officers, and selecting a different slate of delegates.

They lost the vote, and used a bit of trickery to seat their people. It might be letter-of-the-law legal, but it's bad-taste-in-the-mouth poor politics; and I doubt it's even letter-of-the-law legal.

They have also changed the rules of the Nevada GOP. So to say "you don't change anything from within by these types of actions" is an absurdly ignorant statement.

You've confused motion with progress, again, Matt.

I'd explain it to you, but you're just going to have to learn this lesson by watching the "revolution" in NV fail, first hand.

They held a sham convention, and the RNC will get around to telling them so eventually. Even your article admits that they can't demonstrate they had a quorum at their fake convention.

The sky's still blue in the real world, Matt.

KG4JYD
06-30-2008, 12:52 AM
They held a sham convention, No again, if you knew what you were talking about you wouldn't say that. The convention had quorum and perfectly followed Roberts Rules of Order and also followed the GOP rules.

AE6IP
06-30-2008, 01:08 AM
No again, if you knew what you were talking about you wouldn't say that. The convention had quorum and perfectly followed Roberts Rules of Order and also followed the GOP rules.

Actually, Matt, if you'd read the article you posted, you'd find that they didn't know whether they had a quorum or not.

Some delegates said they thought 690 delegates were necessary for a quorum, and that Saturday’s convention would be challenged by state party officials.

After all, "Nearly 1,400 Republicans were at the party’s April convention" as the article said.

Besides, not just anyone can reconvene a convention. You might want to check Roberts a bit more closely, along with the GOP bylaws.

All that happened in Nevada is a bunch of silly people got together and showed the world, which doesn't really care, how silly they are.

The phrase you're looking for is "tempest in a teapot."

W3MIV
06-30-2008, 10:46 AM
The phrase you're looking for is "tempest in a teapot."

At the Republican National Convention, the Rules Committee will decide which delegations to seat in cases of dispute.

This is amusing because such wrangling was a hallmark of the Democrats for many years, with seating fights being more the norm than the exception. It is amusing to note that the Ron Paul forces -- a group which loudly and rudely espouses "libertarian" motives -- is emulating the old-style nomination process whereby a political hack was nominated by a clique of pols operating in the old-style "cigar-smoke filled room."

With the advent of the relatively "modern" primary system, the electorate has a far more open role in choosing the candidates for either party. That Ron Paul was resoundingly rejected by the electorate in that process seems not to influence the Paulistas in their zeal to foist a mountebank on the public.

It all goes to show clearly that zeal is no substitute for wisdom.