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Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger made a veiled swipe at Republican presidential hopeful John McCain on Thursday when he said at a climate conference here that anyone suggesting offshore oil drilling could bring down gas prices was "blowing smoke."
The remark was also a dig at his host, Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, who riled environmentalists, tourism promoters and the state's political leaders on both sides of the aisle last week when he voiced support for McCain's proposal to lift bans on exploring for oil off the coasts of California, Florida and the Eastern Seaboard.
McBush Blowing Smoke. (http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-arnold27-2008jun27,0,858804.story)
Funny, I don't see smoke.;)
N4VGB
06-27-2008, 03:56 AM
John you goofed again and didn't read the whole story before posting, ya just couldn't resist it because ya thought it made McCain look bad eh! :rolleyes:
"We all do have the power. Let's not wait for government," Schwarzenegger concluded. "Energy prices are not going back to the good old days."
That statement alone makes you and your Dumbocrats look bad!!! :D
And drilling in the U.S. won't lower prices but at least it stops the export of U.S. dollars and slows the influx of foreign interests in the U.S. government. There is no 'magic bullet' cure for the problem and only a multipronged approach that uses all available resources will work. Which includes extracting our own massive crude oil reserves also. :)
AE6IP
06-27-2008, 05:55 AM
And drilling in the U.S. won't lower prices but at least it stops the export of U.S. dollars and slows the influx of foreign interests in the U.S. government.
Neither, actually. The tiny shift in net imports that would be accomplished by drilling in the US, even if the oil was actually sold in the US, wouldn't make a dent on the trade deficit, or the debt and its foreign holders.
If anything, it would probably be counterbalanced by more Americans buying import cars to consume the fuel with.
N4VGB
06-27-2008, 06:20 AM
Neither, actually. The tiny shift in net imports that would be accomplished by drilling in the US, even if the oil was actually sold in the US, wouldn't make a dent on the trade deficit, or the debt and its foreign holders.
If anything, it would probably be counterbalanced by more Americans buying import cars to consume the fuel with.
Makes no difference to me Marty. OPEC has openly announced $170-$175 a barrel for crude soon. I can handle the price per gallon of gas fine here, hope the rest of you can also. :)
N5NPO
06-27-2008, 11:09 AM
Neither, actually. The tiny shift in net imports that would be accomplished by drilling in the US, even if the oil was actually sold in the US, wouldn't make a dent on the trade deficit, or the debt and its foreign holders.
If anything, it would probably be counterbalanced by more Americans buying import cars to consume the fuel with.
So, domestic oil production is useless? We just need to buy all our oil from overseas?
So what are our farmers gonna do? Should they go back to plow horses and mules? I have never seen a hybrid tractor or a solar assisted rechargable one either.
Think things are bad now, wait until farming gets hurt because we won't drill.
Has Hugo Chavez stopped drilling? What is the price of gasoline in his country? He has a glut. How about Saudi Arabia?
We got to drill and produce more of our own whether or not the price drops to pre 9/11 levels or not.
Until alternatives come online to relieve the need for crude, we are stuck.
n2ize
06-27-2008, 11:33 AM
Neither, actually. The tiny shift in net imports that would be accomplished by drilling in the US, even if the oil was actually sold in the US, wouldn't make a dent on the trade deficit, or the debt and its foreign holders.
If anything, it would probably be counterbalanced by more Americans buying import cars to consume the fuel with.
Yeah but they don't get it.
n2ize
06-27-2008, 11:42 AM
So, domestic oil production is useless? We just need to buy all our oil from overseas?
So what are our farmers gonna do? Should they go back to plow horses and mules?
They worked for centuries. And they still work in many places.
I have never seen a hybrid tractor or a solar assisted rechargable one either.
Why not.
Think things are bad now, wait until farming gets hurt because we won't drill.
Farmings not going to hurt if we don't drill. Farming may be hurt be ever rising prices which will happen whether they drill here or not.
Has Hugo Chavez stopped drilling? What is the price of gasoline in his country? He has a glut. How about Saudi Arabia?
Think of the real reasons behind why it's so expensive here. Hint, it's been mentioned more than once.
We got to drill and produce more of our own whether or not the price drops to pre 9/11 levels or not.
Until alternatives come online to relieve the need for crude, we are stuck.
First of all "we" are not going to drill. The OIL Companies are going to drill. They will put the oil on the market and it will be sold internationally. If you think some Ma and Pa drilling operation is going to take place and they're gonna refine it and sell it at the local general store with a sign that says "lookie here folks, domestic oil fer sale 45 cents a gallon... fresh out of our refinery still" forget it, it ain't happening.
N5NPO
06-27-2008, 12:23 PM
They worked for centuries. And they still work in many places.
Why not.
Farmings not going to hurt if we don't drill. Farming may be hurt be ever rising prices which will happen whether they drill here or not.
Think of the real reasons behind why it's so expensive here. Hint, it's been mentioned more than once.
First of all "we" are not going to drill. The OIL Companies are going to drill. They will put the oil on the market and it will be sold internationally. If you think some Ma and Pa drilling operation is going to take place and they're gonna refine it and sell it at the local general store with a sign that says "lookie here folks, domestic oil fer sale 45 cents a gallon... fresh out of our refinery still" forget it, it ain't happening.
What do you think about this...
Oil companies have producing oilfields here in the US... Some have been online for decades, producing oil. I personally know of a few in Texas I used to live near. With the exception of regular maintenance and employee raises occasionlly, the price to pump that oil out of the ground has not gone up to $140.00, it probably stays down in the low $20 a barrel range, yet they can sell it on the world market despite having the largest refinery in the US less than 5 miles away... Is that where the "obscene" profits come from, since they are only making .08 off of a gallon of gasoline sold?
Not a trick (NEO-CON) question, just seeking your opinioin.
KC2KFC
06-27-2008, 01:23 PM
You should've posted Schwarzenegger's entire quote, not the reporter's.
From his podium at the conference, Schwarzenegger said, "Politicians have been throwing around all kinds of ideas in response to the skyrocketing energy prices, from the rethinking of nuclear power to pushing biofuels and more renewables and ending the ban on offshore drilling," Schwarzenegger said. "But anyone who tells you this would bring down gas prices any time soon is blowing smoke."
He is saying no matter what is done prices will not come down anytime soon. I agree with that statement.
The article continues with... Schwarzenegger spokesman Aaron McLear later contacted The Times and other news media to say the governor's remarks were not aimed at McCain or Crist.
There is no short term relief in sight. If anybody thinks politicians can control the market price of oil they are living in fanatasy land. It's like saying the President of the United States controls the economy. I think if that were the case there would never be recessions because what President wants to be associated with recessions?
What the high price of oil does prove is that people are willing to change their driving habits when the market forces them to. With people driving less, there is less pollution on the highways and less CO2 added to the atmosphere. These higher oil prices should make the environmentalists very happy because it is forcing a reduction in pollutant emissions from fossil fueled vehicles.
Has Hugo Chavez stopped drilling? What is the price of gasoline in his country? He has a glut.
How misinformed are you, really?
Venezuela's gasoline price is low only because the state runs the oil company and subsidizes gasoline.
There's a word for that. Begins with an "s" and ends with "ocialism."
If you want gasoline prices to be low in this country, like Venezeula's, by all means let's nationalize the oil companies. :rolleyes:
What do you think about this...
Oil companies have producing oilfields here in the US... Some have been online for decades, producing oil. I personally know of a few in Texas I used to live near. With the exception of regular maintenance and employee raises occasionlly, the price to pump that oil out of the ground has not gone up to $140.00, it probably stays down in the low $20 a barrel range, yet they can sell it on the world market despite having the largest refinery in the US less than 5 miles away... Is that where the "obscene" profits come from, since they are only making .08 off of a gallon of gasoline sold?
Not a trick (NEO-CON) question, just seeking your opinioin.
It's called vertical integration.
If you own the industry from end to end you can indeed manipulate the price at different points to make it look like you are not making a lot of profit at the retail end to hand that excuse to consumers.
N4VGB
06-27-2008, 03:08 PM
How misinformed are you, really?
Venezuela's gasoline price is low only because the state runs the oil company and subsidizes gasoline.
There's a word for that. Begins with an "s" and ends with "ocialism."
If you want gasoline prices to be low in this country, like Venezeula's, by all means let's nationalize the oil companies. :rolleyes:
Ryan, Chavez doesn't subsidize gas prices in Venezuela, you do that for him with your money.
Nationalizing oil only works if foreign interests have spent all their money for the exploration, drilling, pipelines and other infrastructure to develop an oil field.
AMERICANS subsidize the price of gas in places like Iran and Venezuela, everytime you stop at the gas pump in the U.S. :rolleyes:
AE6IP
06-27-2008, 04:46 PM
So, domestic oil production is useless? We just need to buy all our oil from overseas?
My goodness but you do come up with the most interesting strawmen.
Useless? No. A panacea? No.
So what are our farmers gonna do? Should they go back to plow horses and mules? I have never seen a hybrid tractor or a solar assisted rechargable one either.
It doesn't matter which group you pick for your emotional plea. It won't change the reality of peak oil.
Think things are bad now, wait until farming gets hurt because we won't drill.
Drilling won't help the farmers, either.
Has Hugo Chavez stopped drilling? What is the price of gasoline in his country? He has a glut. How about Saudi Arabia?
Actually, I believe the Saudis have stopped drilling. They're basically managing their reserve. Chavez doesn't have a "glut". Like Mexico, he has subsidized prices at the pump.
We got to drill and produce more of our own whether or not the price drops to pre 9/11 levels or not.
Nope. We've got to make slow steady progress to less consumption. We've got to hold on to the undrilled reserves as long as possible, as they'll be our last best hope for bridging the gap until we find alternatives.
Until alternatives come online to relieve the need for crude, we are stuck.
Yes, but we're not stuck in a place where the answer to a commodity shortage is "use it up faster".
A combination of things need to be done, and one of them is to preserve the strategic reserve in the ground for as long as possible, so that it will be available when we really do need that last gasp measure.
k4kyv
06-28-2008, 04:25 AM
And drilling in the U.S. won't lower prices but at least it stops the export of U.S. dollars and slows the influx of foreign interests in the U.S. government. There is no 'magic bullet' cure for the problem and only a multipronged approach that uses all available resources will work. Which includes extracting our own massive crude oil reserves also. :)
If the government, corporations, and the US population had paid attention and followed through on the conservation moves initiated during the energy crises of 1974 and 1979, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in to-day.
For decades, the whole US economy has operated, based on WASTE. Now, it's time to pay the piper.
I don't have a lot of sympathy for the cry-babies now wailing because it costs so much to fill their SUV's.
I'm more concerned about those who won't be able to afford to heat their homes this winter.
N4VGB
06-28-2008, 04:33 AM
I'm more concerned about those who won't be able to afford to heat their homes this winter.
And a more limited supply will help them Don!? :confused:
N5NPO
06-28-2008, 10:01 AM
And a more limited supply will help them Don!? :confused:
And, we shouldn't drill ANWR because it will be ten years before any oil comes from there... We will not get any benefit overnight. We shouldn't reserch alternative energy sources either sice it wont benefit us overnight. We need to all move into caves or grass huts. We need to revert to hunter/gatherers.
No need for universities either, after all, it will not benefit people who attened for at least a couple of years...