Independence Day Thoughts

[KG4JYD]

"Happy Independence Day!

Although I personally miss the days of Black Cats, roman candles and "real fireworks" (in the Commonwealth of Virginia we're lucky to get our hands on sparklers), the fourth of July has taken on a much greater meaning for me over the years.

Throughout the year I take the time to go back to what remains, a beautiful and undoubtedly libertarian document, the Declaration of Independence (http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/declaration.html)

Two hundred and thirty one years ago, our founding fathers knew the true meaning of liberty. They understood that upon our first moment of life, rights were endowed upon us. They were not granted by a government or agreed upon by a legislature and they are not to be infringed.

Our founding fathers "got it", their eyes were opened through study and understanding of their life and government . . . how it should be and how it should not be.

Each time I read through the transcript of the Declaration of Independence, I'm struck with emotions of pride in the wisdom of our founding fathers and gratitude for their actions. Each time I read those words I am immediately inspired and motivated; but recently, as my understanding increases, I'm also struck with sadness.

My friend, a stark contrast exists between the Americans of today and those of 1776. Today, many fail to understand not only the purpose of government, they fail to realize that those "certain unalienable Rights" are not simple things that have been granted by the government.

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness are among OUR rights that are to be secured and protected by the government.

Many Americans today also fail to realize that the government's powers are to be granted by the consent of the governed. Even worse, our government and our modern leaders fail to recognize this and as a result, abuses of power are assured.

If you can, take some time and read through the Declaration of Independence and be happy that our nation is built upon such a solid and libertarian foundation.

While we have a great deal of work to do to get back to the original intent that was expressed in 1776, we will eventually get there through our work and dedication to those principles.

Thank you for being part of this small community that is the Libertarian Party and thank you for doing all that you can to make our nation a place where Liberty is more than a false expression but instead, a right that we all enjoy.

In Liberty,

Shane Cory
Former Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee"

[kb3laz]

Oh you can still get good fire works, just not legally, but no one on qrz would ever fracture the law.:rolleyes:

As for what Im gonna do, Im gonna be social for once and go to a party.:eek:
Which is not like me, but I have a new female friend that wants to go to a weekend long party and I just cant say no.;) There will be lots of food and adult beverages as well as fire works. The good thing is that it is all friends and family, yet I may not know everyone, lol. Anyway we will all relinquish our keys as we arrive and then get them back 3 days later. Thats ok I will spend most of my time in the car anyway.:D

[k2kli]

I have a new female friend

But does she have fangs...? :p

[kb3laz]

But does she have fangs...? :p

Unfortunately no but she still has good sized canines.
Also she is a good person and we have a very well matched personality.
She is a few years older than me but I like it that way, also she is not dark and deeply disturbed like I like. She is the librarian type, shy, quite and intelligent.
This is a nice trade off since we can have intellectual conversations as opposed to the last few I have dated, they need a thesaurus to understand me.:p

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[kf6rdn]

Funny, my problem is I can never find a guy who is both intelligent and not full of himself. I can't deal with stupid and I can't deal with arrogant. I can't seem to find men that aren't one or the other or both. Good thing I'm bi, huh? :p


Certainly doubles your chances of finding someone interesting.

Egads, you're in the "biz"! Deal with pathfire, flipfactory and all that junky crap?

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[N4VGB]

I'm strictly a radio girl. I have this fetish for old tube transmitters and AM directional arrays.


Seek psychiatric help immediately! Or you'll face having to acquire many square feet of storage for all the old tube AM xmitters! Repent before it's too late! ;):D

A minor drug habit would be easier to support! :rolleyes:

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[kb3laz]

Funny, my problem is I can never find a guy who is both intelligent and not full of himself. I can't deal with stupid and I can't deal with arrogant. I can't seem to find men that aren't one or the other or both. Good thing I'm bi, huh? :p

What ever floats your boat, I dont judge.
I dated a chick that was bi, it didnt work out so good.
I could not handle sharing, Im into some strange stuff but it creeped me out.
Then again she wanted a relation solely based on sex, and thats no relationship at all. Ahhh maybe Im to picky, lol. Oh well Ill find an intelligent crazy vampire chick that is not materialistic some day. Maybe the girl Im with now is the one only time will tell. She is not really my type but the say opposites attract, we shall see.

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[N4VGB]

Funny you should mention that. I am the proud owner of a 1940 something vintage RCA 250 watt AM transmitter, complete with chrome trim and mercury vapor rectifiers. It's currently in storage at one of my sites and yes it does work. And no, it won't be going in my living room anytime soon -- I'm not that geeky even if I do think that code beacons make interesting accent lighting.

One transmitter. That's not bad for being in this business for almost 17 years.I do have a collection of 833's, 807's, 4-400's and such though. If 4CX35000A's didn't have significant dud value, I'd probably drag one of those home, though they aren't nearly as cute as an 833 and they sure take up a lot more space.

Ooooh, that would make it a 250K or L? Very sweet indeed! Looks a lot like my Raytheon RA-250s and even about the same colors, I think?

OK, that makes you and the wife that think a display of large ceramic metal tubes with handles is a bit over the top, did I ask either of you?:p

[kb3laz]

Just because someone is bi doesn't mean they don't believe in monogamy. Anyway, I thought all guys wanted was sex, and you're complaining? :p

Your first statement is true unless your from my generation, lol.
As to your second statement from the age of 15-19 I dated a nympho, it kinda got old,lol. Then again I should have known better when a 20y/o wanted to date a 15y/o.:eek: Alas I was in love, puppy love,lol.:p Wait maybe it was lust.

[KD6NIG]

I will ponder that as I work on the 4th.

(which is my usual thing, I work M-F no matter what the holiday, I just get extra money on the holidays.)

It will be interesting to see if everyone decides to travel or not.

[KG4JYD]

female friendWhat's that? :confused:


As for what Im gonna do, Im gonna be social for once and go to a party.:eek:You must be new here :rolleyes:

[k2kli]

Ooooh, that would make it a 250K or L? Very sweet indeed! Looks a lot like my Raytheon RA-250s and even about the same colors, I think?

OK, that makes you and the wife that think a display of large ceramic metal tubes with handles is a bit over the top, did I ask either of you?:p

It's a 250L. I just got to pay it a visit today as a matter of fact, so I checked to make sure I was correct on that. If you know anyone who buys them, I would sell it. It's not likely I'll be doing anything with it anytime soon.

[N4VGB]

It's a 250L. I just got to pay it a visit today as a matter of fact, so I checked to make sure I was correct on that. If you know anyone who buys them, I would sell it. It's not likely I'll be doing anything with it anytime soon.

Put an ad in Radio World, lots of hams look there for old AM BC xmitters. Ebay moves a lot of them also. Or you might want to list it on amfone.net, home to many AM hams.

The art deco style is much favored among us OFs. :)

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[kf6rdn]

Very true.



No, but I do deal with BE, Harris, Continental, Nautel... I'm strictly a radio girl. I have this fetish for old tube transmitters and AM directional arrays.

Speaking of which, I'm hoping none of my 17 transmitters get cranky over the holiday weekend. Nothing sucks butt worse than having to drag your kids to a transmitter site when you're supposed to be having fun camping...


Harris.. whee.. I deal with their automation database. I'm on more the IT side of it, and digital media then broadcast.


I've dated bi women, no problems to me, found them to be a little more open to different ideas.

[KG4JYD]

Funny, my problem is I can never find a guy who is both intelligent and not full of himself. I can't deal with stupid and I can't deal with arrogant. I can't seem to find men that aren't one or the other or both. Send some photos :D

Good thing I'm biOnly if I get to watch! :D

[kc9jwa]

Fireworks, cookout, music, bonfire, all good and with mnay to hang out with, not sure what i am doin but i usally do what i typed above, anyway i hope all enjoy.:)

[ac4r]

Well, as usual my thoughts will turn to the son of a Loyalist member of my family, shot down in the doorway of his father's home in New York by a rabble of revolutionaries because he would not join them in their ill conceived seditious rebellion against lawful authority. Back in 1776.

de K7VV


Violins please.

[ad5mb]

In Re fireworks:

Legal in NM. Bought and used by the sort of people who run drag pipes on their motorcycle, the sort who troll through the neighborbood with "Boomp......Boomp" vibrating things off the shelves. Inconsiderate louts with no notion that one neighbor works midnight shift, another comes home at 3 AM.

We finally got a ban on cockfighting in this state. Maybe someday, fireworks.

[N2RJ]

Can't we all just get along please?

As for independence day, this is my first as a US citizen, so it's pretty special for me.

However I think we'll just be barbecuing, nothing else really. That is, if I don't have a fireworks show to shoot.

[N2RJ]

"Happy Independence Day!

Although I personally miss the days of Black Cats, roman candles and "real fireworks" (in the Commonwealth of Virginia we're lucky to get our hands on sparklers), the fourth of July has taken on a much greater meaning for me over the years.

What you talking about? I handle and shoot real fireworks every fourth, legally. Some shells are up to 6 inches. Sometimes more (largest one detonated was a 12 incher). :eek:

[KB1QKQ]

EDITED TO REMOVE KI6III SEXIST REMARK OR REFERENCE

That's entirely uncalled for behavior. You're first post, good start. There is some spirited kidding around on this board but no one goes over the line like you have. You owe the lady an apology.

[KG4JYD]

Uhh - I retract my request for photos and a chance to watch :(

[w7xf]

Oh you can still get good fire works, just not legally, but no one on qrz would ever fracture the law.:rolleyes:

As for what Im gonna do, Im gonna be social for once and go to a party.:eek:
Which is not like me, but I have a new female friend that wants to go to a weekend long party and I just cant say no.;) There will be lots of food and adult beverages as well as fire works. The good thing is that it is all friends and family, yet I may not know everyone, lol. Anyway we will all relinquish our keys as we arrive and then get them back 3 days later. Thats ok I will spend most of my time in the car anyway.:D

For me, it's only a 39 mile drive/ride to the nearest fireworks stand....

Just across the state line in New Mexico :D

[N4VGB]

What you talking about? I handle and shoot real fireworks every fourth, legally. Some shells are up to 6 inches. Sometimes more (largest one detonated was a 12 incher). :eek:

Unless you hold the proper pyrotechnics license class, you better hope the BATF doesn't catch you handling 6 & 12 inch fireworks mortars. :eek:

I wasn't aware that it was even legal to acquire them without that BATF license. :confused:

[N2RJ]

Unless you hold the proper pyrotechnics license class, you better hope the BATF doesn't catch you handling 6 & 12 inch fireworks mortars. :eek:

I wasn't aware that it was even legal to acquire them without that BATF license. :confused:

That's why I said it was legal.

I have a license and do fireworks shows with these folks. (http://www.grucci.com)

They run the class every year and do a lot of really beautiful shows.

If you want to shoot large shells legally and safely, pretty much that's the only way to go.

[N4VGB]

That's why I said it was legal.
I have a license and do fireworks shows with these folks. (http://www.grucci.com)
They run the class every year and do a lot of really beautiful shows.
If you want to shoot large shells legally and safely, pretty much that's the only way to go.

BIG mortars are a blast, I love 'em! :D:D:D

[kb3laz]

For me, it's only a 39 mile drive/ride to the nearest fireworks stand....

Just across the state line in New Mexico :D

Thats cool but if you know the right people you never have to leave home.:D
Let me tell you we have got fire works from some strange places, you dont wanna know.:p Heck I dont want to know where they store them either.:eek:

[k2kli]

Uh originally I was just joking around being funny... Now your statement of fact has stopped the joke from my end.

Good. Then let that be the end of that. I played along nicely until you felt the need to make your needlessly bigoted comment. All I can say to you and people like you is, have a nice life -- karma's a bitch.

[KG4JYD]

I played along nicely until you felt the need to make your needlessly bigoted comment. And what comment did I make that was "bigoted" :rolleyes:

[kc9jwa]

Thats cool but if you know the right people you never have to leave home.:D
Let me tell you we have got fire works from some strange places, you dont wanna know.:p Heck I dont want to know where they store them either.:eek:
Always the best part , see the big show, problem here is they cut it down lately, hopefully this year its good like last year. Also hangin out with friends helps, i hope to at least do one party this year.:)

[KB1QKQ]

Heres's one I made from an axle. It's about 30" bbl, popcan bore. It's adjustable for windage and elevation. 80 grains of ff black powder will put a pop can full of sand 125 yards in the air. 250 gr puts them in orbit.

http://www.hermitriver.com/mor1.jpg

[N2RJ]

Our mortars are put in metal racks and fired electronically.

[N4VGB]

Our mortars are put in metal racks and fired electronically.

I'm not 100% sure that his mortar is even legal! Hope the BATF doesn't look here often!

[KB1QKQ]

I'm not 100% sure that his mortar is even legal! Hope the BATF doesn't look here often!


Yes N4 it is 100% legal and thank you for your concern. It's no different in class than a replica cannon such as sold by Dixie Gun works. Cannon competition has become very popular. Bowling ball Coehorn mortars being a favorite sport. Amazing accuracy from some of the more conventional cannon fired at bullseye targets too.
Where the BATFe would be concerned; is if I fired a projectile from it with more than a 1/4 pound charge. It then becomes a DD or destructive device no differently classed than a howitzer. My projectiles were sand filled.
I was licensed with the BATFe as an 07 firearms manufacturer and a class 2 SOT manufacturer of NFA weapons. I could have upgraded to also mfg, own, sell DD's but have no need. BATFe have been here many times, they have actually seen and liked my mortar (since sold but another in the works). They played with switchblades over 3 hours once on a compliance check, just sat, clicked and chatted. I held/hold no secrets from them, they are people like we are doing their job. The NFA and FBI were the most pleasant to deal with. My beef is gun laws and acts are unconstitutional but I do follow the laws of the land to the best of my ability.
Don't forget the "e" at the end of BATF, it's for explosives. (originally just ATF) That's why we so affectionately call them the "alphabet boys". Soon they will add the whole 26 letters;)

[KB1QKQ]

Our mortars are put in metal racks and fired electronically.

Yes I am aware, much safer:eek:. My buddy is licensed in fireworks display. He showed me some of the art, making flashpowders etc.
I fired the mortar with 3/32 cannon fuse and tested burn per inch for every roll. I usually leave 3 sec to get clear but the mortar is/was proof tested and I rarely moved more than a few feet away from it.

[N2RJ]

I'm not 100% sure that his mortar is even legal! Hope the BATF doesn't look here often!

I don't think it is. Ours are fiberglass and secured to metal racks. The FD is also at the shooting site and there has to be minimal clearance from the viewing audience.

[N4VGB]

Yes N4 it is 100% legal and thank you for your concern.

I heard BATFEEFC is their latest incarnation. Beauracrat Arses Taking Firearms Everywhere Except From Criminals. Lots of agents in Iraq but they seem to be making little progress there? :rolleyes:

[N2RJ]

Yes I am aware, much safer:eek:. My buddy is licensed in fireworks display. He showed me some of the art, making flashpowders etc.
I fired the mortar with 3/32 cannon fuse and tested burn per inch for every roll. I usually leave 3 sec to get clear but the mortar is/was proof tested and I rarely moved more than a few feet away from it.

Some people still use torches to light the fuse. You'll find that those guys have more accidents and injuries than people who do it electronically.

These days can't be too careful, as we've had more than one of the prepackaged shot boxes (usually made in china) fire off in the wrong direction or otherwise not fire as predicted.

[N4VGB]

We'll all get visits soon. Too many keyword hits in this thread to be ignored! :eek:

[KB1QKQ]

Some people still use torches to light the fuse. You'll find that those guys have more accidents and injuries than people who do it electronically.

These days can't be too careful, as we've had more than one of the prepackaged shot boxes (usually made in china) fire off in the wrong direction or otherwise not fire as predicted.

I saw a whole barge go off at once, I don't think that was the intent:rolleyes:

[KB1QKQ]

I don't think it is. Ours are fiberglass and secured to metal racks. The FD is also at the shooting site and there has to be minimal clearance from the viewing audience.

You can "think" whatever you like. It is legal, BATFe made that decision in 68. It is not in the same class of fireworks or DD, it is treated as a muzzle loader. Take for instance a Brown Bess musket with a .75" ball. Even though over 50 cal it is legal. Read the 68 GCA, I have 3 decades of copies or it can be found on their website.

Edit to help you understand, BATFe laws are complex. It's completely out of the realm of fireworks and it's associated laws. It does not fire a secondary projectile that is charged. If it did and charged with less than 1/4 pound then fireworks laws would apply, if over 50 cal (1/2") and over 1/4 pound charge then it is a destructive device, DD.

[N2RJ]

We'll all get visits soon. Too many keyword hits in this thread to be ignored! :eek:

I have nothing to worry about. Do you?

[N4VGB]

I have nothing to worry about. Do you?

NOPE, just the aggravation factor involved. The IRS is easy, send the accountant. :)

[KB1QKQ]

I have nothing to worry about. Do you?

No me either:D There is one thing I forgot to mention however. Being in the muzzle loader category (includes cannon) also stipulates the method of ignition. VERY IMPORTANT Cannon or muzzeloader (bit tricky) MUST use a fuse, matchlock, wheellock, percussion, flint or any ignition device prior to 1898 (cannons it is fuse only). If fired remotely, a hammer device fitted, a regular primer, electrically, etc then it is not legal.

[KB1QKQ]

NOPE, just the aggravation factor involved. The IRS is easy, send the accountant. :)

That's for sure. I'll bet I spent as much man hours on paperwork as I did on manufacturing.

[N4VGB]

That's for sure. I'll bet I spent as much man hours on paperwork as I did on manufacturing.

Not to mention filing for eternity. :(

[KB1QKQ]

Not to mention filing for eternity. :(

Spot on again. I turned in all my licenses to manufacture last year but I am still doing the last of the required paperwork for the year 07. I have NFA registered firearms and that paperwork is eternal.

[kc9jwa]

You may not see that as rude because you have no regard for my feelings, but it was quite rude. Not that I actually care coming from you, and not that I would ever send you pics or let you "watch" anyway, but it was rude nonetheless. I think anyone can see that.
Man, i didnt notice til lnow thats you in that pic, im kinda slow, lol. Anyway im glad to see another female ham so mnay are guys, i dont send my pic becouse i have enough guys after me, plus it wants a smaller graphic i think all my pics must be over the limit, but hey i like lightning and thunder, its better to me.:)

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[k2kli]

Man, i didnt notice til lnow thats you in that pic, im kinda slow, lol. Anyway im glad to see another female ham so mnay are guys, i dont send my pic becouse i have enough guys after me, plus it wants a smaller graphic i think all my pics must be over the limit, but hey i like lightning and thunder, its better to me.:)

Thank you hon, you're very sweet. Yes, that's me in the pic, and I remember when you signed on here a few months ago. I don't think I really have to worry about most of the guys here hitting on me though, so I'm probably not much help to you there. Unfortunately ham radio is quite a male-dominated hobby and with a few exceptions, men these days don't seem to know how to behave like gentlemen anymore.

[kb3laz]

k2kli

Dont let narrow minded people without an original thought in their head bother you. People like that think they should have the right to assassinate other peoples character. This world would be rather boring if everyone was a replicated drone.

[KI4PEQ]

Florida bans the "good fireworks".
Alabama vendors will sell practically anything.
I live 15 miles from the border.
Guess where my neighbors and I buy fireworks?

Just remember, as bad as things are right now, we still have it better than most of the occupants of this planet. I learned that first hand while touring Europe and the Middle East as a member of the USAF.

Think you can do better elsewhere? Move and find out!

[kc9jwa]

Thank you hon, you're very sweet. Yes, that's me in the pic, and I remember when you signed on here a few months ago. I don't think I really have to worry about most of the guys here hitting on me though, so I'm probably not much help to you there. Unfortunately ham radio is quite a male-dominated hobby and with a few exceptions, men these days don't seem to know how to behave like gentlemen anymore.
Your welcome, oh my i see i defintally made a mistake in a way, i didnt mean guys on here are going to hit on me, i odnt expect that i always had guy friends all my life, still do, i guess theres somethin different about everyone and some grow up with all woman or all guys or half and half, i have 3 girlfreinds thats it i dont know why, i am sociabe with evryone, anyway your correct alot arent gentlemen, i have maybe out of all i know guy wise ii know about 50 of them and maybe 5 i have to just slap or ruff em up.:Dwell i guess some just cant get use to having a female friend, but i know how to take care of em, just ruff em up.:D

[N2RJ]

and with a few exceptions, men these days don't seem to know how to behave like gentlemen anymore.

I could say the same about women. A lot of them I meet certainly aren't "ladylike" anymore either.

I think the world in general is a more hostile place.

[W3MIV]

That a majority may have become mere savages does not justify an attempt to emulate their ways. Though exceedingly rare on these fora, there are a few worthy examples of taste and refinement available to them who would lift themselves above the slime.

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[N4VGB]

Some of you "boys" are a bit in your face with your "manhood."

There have always been female hams, even way back in time.

I can remember a lot of female DJs, producers, etc. But I don't recall ever bumping into a female BC engineer until the last few years.

It was a "boys club" for many years. :eek:

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[k2kli]

KI6III is now on ignore. I am sorry for how this thread became so derailed.

[ka5s]

"Happy Independence Day!

Although I personally miss the days of Black Cats, roman candles and "real fireworks" (in the Commonwealth of Virginia we're lucky to get our hands on sparklers), the fourth of July has taken on a much greater meaning for me over the years.

Throughout the year I take the time to go back to what remains, a beautiful and undoubtedly libertarian document, the Declaration of Independence (http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/declaration.html)

The Declaration of Independence would be banned if it were not so much part of our history; it defines conditions under which it is incumbent (it says) on a citizenry to "abolish" a government, and does not scruple to recommend taking up arms to do so, an act forbidden by law.

However, being Americans, we are as blind to history as we are to everything else that does not contribute to our comfort.

I may have posted this here before:


These Truths

We hold these truths, the Founders wrote,
Nor thought that we might note
Some truth false that was in their view
Quite plain the thing to be or do,
Self evident!
And having set their axioms,
Went on in simple words to say
What they thought the only way
A nation could be just and free,
Creating simple liberty.

Self evident, in short, plain speech,
That all men are created equal.
However, there would be a sequel
Expressing reservations not
Much thought of while the fight was hot,
About who might be somewhat less
Than equal to the best;
The oversight would later reach
Out; tear a nation half in two
Until that bloodletting was through.

Self evident, with certain rights,
Life, for one, though in our fights
Enough are killed for freedom's sake
To ask if this is a mistake.
Liberty; we have declined to specify
And take what we get on the fly,
And the pursuit of happiness,
Which we pursue to great excess,
For every pleasure that we chase
Is transient, and quick erased.

And government, the tyrant we'd rebelled
Against, they held the best to get
For us, all those named rights.
With our consent,
Unless and till it should forget
And, turning, take our lives
Our liberty, as we'd enjoyed
And our pursuit of happiness away.
For then our duty,
It was clear; it lay
In altering that government,
Even to abolish it, demolish it,
And from the ruins create anew
Another built to do
All that they said it must,
If government is free
And just.

Self evident, the document
Is too strong for our souls;
Too dangerous, its goals.
We play at freedom, trading it,
Betraying it, selling it, bit by bit,
To earn relief from fear and want,
From all the tasks that daunt
What courage we were lent.
Self evident, the evils we endure.
But no one can be sure:
We hold these truths.

© Cortland Richmond 2003




Cortland
KA5S

[K5BAQ]

We sure as heck do not live in a Republic Anymore
k5baq

[KG4JYD]

Well this thread has demonstrated in such a colorful manner that in the spirit of Independence Day here in America we definitely have freedom of speech! :D

[KB1QKQ]

Well this thread has demonstrated in such a colorful manner that in the spirit of Independence Day here in America we definitely have freedom of speech! :D


Not everything falls under freedom of speech.

A verbal abuse of someone in your household in Maine is "domestic violence" treated no less than if you TKO'ed your wife. Persons convicted of domestic violence now lose their gun rights, yup look on the nics form. At first even police officers convicted of crimes of domestic violence lost the right but it was amended to allow them "duty guns".

[K7FE]

Enough of the personal attacks PLEASE!

Terry, K7FE

[KB1QKQ]

Enough of the personal attacks PLEASE!

Terry, K7FE

Terry, I'm sure we all appreciate your cleaning up the thread. Thank you. However the time to clean them up is before it gets way out of hand. The damage has been done. You're little dotted/edited posts does not change that fact.

The originator of the spew, ki6iii is still on the member list I see, but how about persons banned such as Dave. A person whose opinions aren't sexist, racist, bigoted personal attacks.

It took my post on the legal definition of DEFAMATION before you took any action? Which you deleted without even the little dotted lines, just gone? What's it about, post count? Recorded forum activity? Warped personal enjoyment of seeing others suffer?

How long will this post last? Going to ban me too?

[K7JEM]

Terry, I'm sure we all appreciate your cleaning up the thread. Thank you. However the time to clean them up is before it gets way out of hand. The damage has been done. You're little dotted/edited posts does not change that fact.

The originator of the spew, ki6iii is still on the member list I see, but how about persons banned such as Dave. A person whose opinions aren't sexist, racist, bigoted personal attacks.

It took my post on the legal definition of DEFAMATION before you took any action? Which you deleted without even the little dotted lines, just gone? What's it about, post count? Recorded forum activity? Warped personal enjoyment of seeing others suffer?

How long will this post last? Going to ban me too?

Jeez, get over yourself, man. What you gonna do, call the web police?

This is their site, and they are free to administer it in whatever manner they want. If you don't like the way they operate, you are free to move along, to another site you can complain about.

Or start your own site.

Most of us here get along fine, even with the occasional name-calling, etc.

Learn to deal with it.

Joe

[KB1QKQ]

Jeez, get over yourself, man. What you gonna do, call the web police?

Or start your own site.

Most of us here get along fine, even with the occasional name-calling, etc.

Learn to deal with it.

Joe

Joe, I have 4 websites. 3 are forums which I host. 2 are being transferred possibly all 3 (too much:rolleyes:)1 is very large and 10 years old. I don't call web police, I didn't click on report this post, I speak my piece as I did here. That's how I "deal with it" as a "member". As admin on my forums, it's a non issue. It's remedied immediately, before it is a problem by myself or my moderators.

Defamation and bigotry is not "occasional name calling" Intolerable in a civilized society and sometimes there are legal ramifications. Calling some one slackjaw, maggot, moron, cletus is "name calling"

OK, I'm done with it:eek: No hard feelings towards anyone, I am sorry if I offended the majority of good people here or/and sidetracked the thread.

[N5PAR]

There will be lots of food and adult beverages as well as fire works.

Adult beverages and fire works that's a good combination.

[AA7BQ]

Folks,

KI6III has been banned for his repeated attacks and because his identity has not been verified.

As obvious as it may seem to some, I am forced to reiterate here that the criticism, mocking, or disparagement of a person's sexual orientation is a blatantly offensive act that QRZ will not tolerate. When a person declares their gender, it's not up for debate - end of story. Any attempt to argue the point will entitle banishment to the inquisitor.

That is all we have to say about this.

-fred AA7BQ

[KG4JYD]

Not everything falls under freedom of speech. Slander and defamation as well as copyright/trademark infringement qualify.

A verbal abuse of someone in your household in Maine is "domestic violence" treated no less than if you TKO'ed your wife. I have no idea what TKO means but that is an asinine law and a clear violation of freedom of speech.

[K7JEM]

Slander and defamation as well as copyright/trademark infringement qualify.

I have no idea what TKO means but that is an asinine law and a clear violation of freedom of speech.

I don't buy that either. Unless people point to an actual law, I don't believe much of this crap that gets posted.

What constitutes "verbal abuse"? That could be about anything during an argument. Police are not going to haul anyone off for verbal abuse of a spouse, else everyone could be in prison at some point. :rolleyes:

Joe

[ka5s]

I don't buy that either. Unless people point to an actual law, I don't believe much of this crap that gets posted.

What constitutes "verbal abuse"? That could be about anything during an argument. Police are not going to haul anyone off for verbal abuse of a spouse, else everyone could be in prison at some point. :rolleyes:

Joe

" II. DEFINITIONS

1. Domestic Violence: A pattern of coercive behavior that is used by a person against family or household members to gain power and control over the other party in the relationship. This behavior may include any of the following: physical violence, sexual abuse, emotional and psychological intimidation, verbal abuse and threats, stalking, isolation from friends and family, economic control, and destruction of personal property. Domestic violence occurs between people of all racial, economic, educational, and religious backgrounds. It occurs in heterosexual and same-sex relationships, between married and unmarried partners, between current and former partners, and between other family and household members. "
Source: http://maine.gov/ag/about/domestic_violence_policy.html



Cortland
KA5S

[K7JEM]

" II. DEFINITIONS

1. Domestic Violence: A pattern of coercive behavior that is used by a person against family or household members to gain power and control over the other party in the relationship. This behavior may include any of the following: physical violence, sexual abuse, emotional and psychological intimidation, verbal abuse and threats, stalking, isolation from friends and family, economic control, and destruction of personal property. Domestic violence occurs between people of all racial, economic, educational, and religious backgrounds. It occurs in heterosexual and same-sex relationships, between married and unmarried partners, between current and former partners, and between other family and household members. "
Source: http://maine.gov/ag/about/domestic_violence_policy.html

Cortland
KA5S
III. PERSONS COVERED BY THIS POLICY

Persons covered by this policy include Office employees, interns, contractors, volunteers, or temporary workers, in any workplace location.

This is a policy, not a law, and it only covers state employees. And it doesn't indicate that it's "treated no less than a TKO of your wife".

That is the issue. No-one is going to treat verbal abuse the same as physical battery, just not going to happen. Someone making such statements just don't know what they're talking about.

Joe

[N2RJ]

Some people just can't let it go.

Jeez.

[n2ize]

Some people still use torches to light the fuse. You'll find that those guys have more accidents and injuries than people who do it electronically.



I should know. One 4th of July I worked with a pyrotechnician who lit them manually. Actually we used red highway fusees (flares) to light them.

The real hard work is setting everything up. Spending the whole day digging the trenches in the sand to place the mortars. Some of the mortars are steel, some heavy fibreglass.

When you light a show manually with flares it's easy to understand why more accidents happen that way. One wrong move and you're head can get blown off.
You don;t get to watch the fireworks because you're too busy loading the shells, lighting the fuses, and making sure that you're head and your body is not in the wrong place. Even if you do get a split second to look up you don;t see any of the stuff going off because you're under a dense cloud of smoke.

By the time the finale was finished and we were done I had lots of holes burned in my shirt, I was covered in soot, I smelled from gunpowder, and, best of all I was stone deaf. I couldn't hear a thing for about an hour.

That cured me of my interest in fireworks. It was the first and last fireworks show that I ever did. I have no interest in fireworks anymore. Matter of fact I hate fireworks.

[KG4JYD]

I smelled from gunpowderThat is soooo sexy! :D

[kb3laz]

Slander and defamation as well as copyright/trademark infringement qualify.

I have no idea what TKO means but that is an asinine law and a clear violation of freedom of speech.

You are obviously not a boxing fan!
TKO= technical knockout.

[kc9jwa]

I could say the same about women. A lot of them I meet certainly aren't "ladylike" anymore either.

I think the world in general is a more hostile place.
Most woman these days, just make it very difficult on men, or make other woman look bad, i odnt like woman who want cars diamond rings, and treat the men like crap by issues like custody of the child, takin half or more on the share, most guys say we dont need woman i odnt blame you for that, most are mature, i ask how when they cheat, drink drive, ect. I do nuttin like that. As for the posteres using large wording, today and for a few days i need it lol, i have a corneal abrasion.:)

[K7VV]

That handles 'verbal abuse':

163.190 Menacing. (1) A person commits the crime of menacing if by word or conduct the person intentionally attempts to place another person in fear of imminent serious physical injury.

(2) Menacing is a Class A misdemeanor. [1971 c.743 §95]

But, don't forget there are also Civil Law options available as well.

de k7VV

[n2ize]

That is soooo sexy! :D

The dames love it !! :D

[N2RJ]

Most woman these days, just make it very difficult on men, or make other woman look bad, i odnt like woman who want cars diamond rings, and treat the men like crap by issues like custody of the child, takin half or more on the share, most guys say we dont need woman i odnt blame you for that, most are mature, i ask how when they cheat, drink drive, ect. I do nuttin like that. As for the posteres using large wording, today and for a few days i need it lol, i have a corneal abrasion.:)

When I meant "not ladylike" some of these women will drop the "F" bomb every few words.

I have a friend who is active navy and he told me that he cusses a lot less than some of the squidettes he works with.

[K7VV]

Guess the female over 60 crowd I associate with IS really different. Maybe they grew up, maybe they were never that way at all, maybe a different generation.
de K7VV

[K7JEM]

That handles 'verbal abuse':

163.190 Menacing. (1) A person commits the crime of menacing if by word or conduct the person intentionally attempts to place another person in fear of imminent serious physical injury.

(2) Menacing is a Class A misdemeanor. [1971 c.743 §95]

But, don't forget there are also Civil Law options available as well.

de k7VV

Verbal abuse could be considered as a person calling another an AH, or even a jerk. But it wouldn't rise to a threat, or even "menacing", unless there was some indication of physical harm.

AFAIK, "verbal abuse" is not covered by most laws, and in the few instances it is, it does not rise to the same level as physical violence. I can't think of any law anywhere that allows a person to be hauled in for only vernal abuse.

Joe

[K7VV]

Yes, it would have to be threatening in some way, not just words. They would be arrested for 'menencing'. The only legal remedy for words would be civil law.

de K7VV

[N9LCD]

I read all this "stuff" about the American Revolution being a "popular uprising".

BALONEY!

It wasn't.

Serious scholars say between 10 & 20 % on the colonists supported the Revolution. 10 to 20% actively opposed it.

AND 60 TO 80 PERCENT DISDn'T GIVE A D**N!

In other words, if anybody in government thinks that they have "POPULAR SUPPORT", they should THINK!!!

JERRY

N9LCD

[K7VV]

Think I mentioned in here somewhere that I had a relative shot down in the doorway of his fathers home in NY because he would not join the rabble of rebels outside in their 'revolution' against the lawful government of The Crown. Now see what you revolutionaries have led us to! Richard Nixon, Ford, Ronnie Raygun, GHWB and Scrub. Hope ur happy. We'd have done better to stay with King George III.

de K7VV

[WA6CAW]

This link is good:
http://www.rescuewithoutborders.org/id195.html



And click on the link at the top that says:

click here to play file nationalanthem-cactus.wmv (Girls Sing National Anthem)

Hope that works.......it's very good.

[K7VV]

Was at Armed Forces Day program in May (representing Or. Emg. Mgt ARES) and:
a. Senior officer had to remind those in uniform to salute during National Anthem.
b. People were asked to sing along, but few did, and fewer still could remember all the words.
c. Any number of people--military and public--kept on talking and walking about during the music.
d. Many of the military did not even come to attention.

Sad, but there it is.

de K7VV

[N4VGB]

Sad, but there it is.
de K7VV


With a potential POTUS demostrating the same lack of respect at the beginning of his campaign and only changing his trashy style after much public pressure, YOU'RE SURPRISED BY THIS BEHAVIOR? :rolleyes:

[K7VV]

Not at all, I've seen the same thing at 4 th of July events, Armistice Day (to us old guys), Memorial Day etc for many years.
So. Hard to figure how Senator Obama is responsible for what I've seen (and all of us have seen) for all these years. Must be Clinton's fault.....no, Carter's....or or maybe FDR's....

What does surprise me is your trying to link it with Senator Obama. My 9 year old grand-daughter saw thru that one right off the bat. (But Grandpa, did these soldiers know Mr. Obama?)

Your being silly. And you know it.

de K7VV

[N4VGB]

Your being silly. And you know it.
de K7VV


OK, if you say so. If you say a potential POTUS that cares little for the flag or song is OK, it's fine with me. :rolleyes:

Just don't come around here and do the same at any gatherings, mommas still slap the crap out of their kids here for such behavior. Adults risk a severe facial knuckle massage. ;)

Here's a story for ya to illustrate the point. I have a neighbor that is a divorced lady and former staunch Dumbocrat that loved Bill Clinton. She came home early to find her teenage daughter committing an oral sex act on a young man. The daughter's defense was that it wasn't a sex act at all becuase the President of the United States said so and everybody was doing it at the time. A new Republican was born that day. :D:D:D:D:D

Nine year old grand daughter eh? Teach her the ways of Clinton yet!? :eek:

[kb3laz]

Adult beverages and fire works that's a good combination.

Ah, dont worry about it I still have six fingers.:eek: J/K:p
The gentlemen setting off the fireworks will not be drinking.
Hes not a complete idiot, just a little slow.;)

[kc9jwa]

OK, if you say so. If you say a potential POTUS that cares little for the flag or song is OK, it's fine with me. :rolleyes:

Just don't come around here and do the same at any gatherings, mommas still slap the crap out of their kids here for such behavior. Adults risk a severe facial knuckle massage. ;)

Here's a story for ya to illustrate the point. I have a neighbor that is a divorced lady and former staunch Dumbocrat that loved Bill Clinton. She came home early to find her teenage daughter committing an oral sex act on a young man. The daughter's defense was that it wasn't a sex act at all becuase the President of the United States said so and everybody was doing it at the time. A new Republican was born that day. :D:D:D:D:D

Nine year old grand daughter eh? Teach her the ways of Clinton yet!? :eek:
Hehehe, thats funny, but true.

[KV1M]

Hehehe, thats funny, but true.

And yet he was banned for it...:rolleyes:

[k9kxq]

Poor Dilla, it was too much for him to take, you know Bill and all... We will miss him (like a nasty flu bug)... ;)

But to insinuate this about 7vv's granddaughter is shameful, it's the knuckledragging Neanderthal way of thinking these rightwingnuts have...

kxq

[N9XR]

And yet he was banned for it...:rolleyes:

I think she was trying to say that is is funny but true that he is banned. :eek:

[kc9jwa]

And yet he was banned for it...:rolleyes:
Sorry obut that , i meant the bill clinton remark, i tohught he meant the child and many others mines well do the oral thing clinton did, as for the child seriously shes to young and if i was the parent i woulda had serious talk with her, and him, i woulda banned him from the house.:eek:

[K7VV]

I think we all know what kind of a person he is, and his crude remark merely makes that plain.
He is one of the 'new' breed of Republican for whom all things are fair targets and no thought is to low.
We might call them the Rove Republicans.
They know who they are,
and what they are.

de K7VV

[K7VV]

So now I get this at my personal e-mail address:

Quote:
Yes, everyone knows me for what I am. Standup, no whine type of man. Never once ask a moderator to cover my butt for me because I couldn't take the heat. Overaged hippie baby. Some of your ilk even stooped so low as the flaunt the recent death of my son in my face on QRZ, I never once ask for a moderator but others did make that request. You are pathetic, don't want to apply those very liberal values to your own family eh?

N4VGB"

Anybody know what he's talking about and why he's so angry at the world?

de K7VV

[N9XR]

So now I get this at my personal e-mail address:

Quote:
Yes, everyone knows me for what I am. Standup, no whine type of man. Never once ask a moderator to cover my butt for me because I couldn't take the heat. Overaged hippie baby. Some of your ilk even stooped so low as the flaunt the recent death of my son in my face on QRZ, I never once ask for a moderator but others did make that request. You are pathetic, don't want to apply those very liberal values to your own family eh?

N4VGB"

Anybody know what he's talking about and why he's so angry at the world?

de K7VV

Nope. :confused:

[K7JEM]

http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=164770&highlight=china+trains

[N9XR]

http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=164770&highlight=china+trains

Yeah. It was VGB wanting someone dead. He is such a victim.