View Full Version : I doubt the idiots would learn anything.
wa8rti
06-23-2008, 01:15 PM
If gas were to drop under $3/gal. tomorrow, the idiots who drive their SUVs and honking big V-8 trucks to the grocery store would be back at again. Their type learned nothing after the 1973 gas crisis. There would be no foresight to realize that the $4/gal would come back and that their excess consumption was a contributor to the problem. I bought my first car in 1963. It was a '61 Chevy Impala convertible with a big V-8. I babied that thing-kids on tricycles beat me away from stop lights. A $50/month gas bill was too much when I was taking home $250/month. My next car was a '64 1/2 Mustang with a 6 cylinder motor. I've never owned another V-8. A couple of small V-6's but never a V-8. Now both my vehicles are 4 cyclinder. I know there are people who have need of the big SUV's and big trucks. My complaint is with the people who drive them when they don't really need such a vehicle and have no concept of how they are part of the problem and not part of the solution. Unfortunately keeping gas at $4+/gal is the only way we are going to see people buying and using fuel efficient vehicles. It is the only control on those who otherwise have no self restraint when it comes to energy consumption. We all have to pay for this type of person's lack of good sense. :(
WB8MKV
06-23-2008, 01:21 PM
I agree...gives some meaning to the old expression " what goes around, comes around"
N4VGB
06-23-2008, 01:22 PM
If gas were to drop under $3/gal. tomorrow, the idiots who drive their SUVs and honking big V-8 trucks to the grocery store would be back at again.
We all have to pay for this type of person's lack of good sense.
I never stopped driving my Quad Cab Dodge Pickup? :rolleyes:
Could I have your CC number? I'm filling the tank shortly and since you're paying? ;)
If gas were to drop under $3/gal. tomorrow, the idiots who drive their SUVs and honking big V-8 trucks to the grocery store would be back at again. Their type learned nothing after the 1973 gas crisis. There would be no foresight to realize that the $4/gal would come back and that their excess consumption was a contributor to the problem. I bought my first car in 1963. It was a '61 Chevy Impala convertible with a big V-8. I babied that thing-kids on tricycles beat me away from stop lights. A $50/month gas bill was too much when I was taking home $250/month. My next car was a '64 1/2 Mustang with a 6 cylinder motor. I've never owned another V-8. A couple of small V-6's but never a V-8. Now both my vehicles are 4 cyclinder. I know there are people who have need of the big SUV's and big trucks. My complaint is with the people who drive them when they don't really need such a vehicle and have no concept of how they are part of the problem and not part of the solution. Unfortunately keeping gas at $4+/gal is the only way we are going to see people buying and using fuel efficient vehicles. It is the only control on those who otherwise have no self restraint when it comes to energy consumption. We all have to pay for this type of person's lack of good sense. :(
Will you be the great decider on who gets an SUV and who doesn't ? Will a multiple choice test be needed in the handing out of SUV purchase permits? My SUV will always be on the road until they make it illegal.
K2WH
k8wpj
06-23-2008, 01:27 PM
.... I bought my first car in 1963. It was a '61 Chevy Impala convertible with a big V-8. I babied that thing-kids on tricycles beat me away from stop lights. A $50/month gas bill was too much when I was taking home $250/month. :(
I know the type...
There's usually several of them on the roads and all of them are in front of me on mornings I really REALLY need to get somewhere.
It wouldn't tick me off so much if they wouldn't camp in the passing lane, or at least 'try' to do the speed limit. :rolleyes:
W3MIV
06-23-2008, 01:28 PM
My Crown Vic with 4.6L V8 gets better mileage than my xyl's Pacifica with a V6. More importantly, my CV runs on regular and the P needs the middle grade.
My CV will be running and getting decent mileage (I get up to 22 on the road when keeping at 60 or less and not running the a/c) long after the P has returned to its maker via the crusher. Roller chain timing belt does not have to be replaced every 60k, and the rear-wheel system is far more durable than any FntWD or AWD system.
It's all relative. A kid with a 4-cylinder Jap-crap and a coffee-can muffler can waste far more gas than I simply by the way the kid drives the junk.
Will you be the great decider on who gets an SUV and who doesn't ? Will a multiple choice test be needed in the handing out of SUV purchase permits? My SUV will always be on the road until they make it illegal.
K2WH
I have no problem with your SUV as long as you can pay to keep it filled up, safe and insured.
The people I have a problem with are those who demand that the Government do something to feed their gas habit. They want a subsidy for a luxury.
Keep in mind that some people have no choice but to drive "big V-8 pickups"...ranchers and farmers for example who have to haul trailers and farm implements, etc. I, for one, have to haul a livestock trailer and an "economy" or mid size vehicle won't do it. I hate what it costs to fill it with fuel but really have no choice. For other purposes we do drive my wife's economy vehicle.
I saw a news article the other day on TV.
They said the average car in the rest of the world is 1.7 liters and gets around 30 MPG. Here the average is some 4.8 liters and we average some 18.
We use a lot of gas and like HP.
I cut back from a 4 door f-150 with 300 HP that I really no longer needed to a 4 cylinder Toyota Corolla. The truck averaged 15 back and forth to town. The car gets some 36 and cost a lot less to maintain and buy.
It's really all we needed at this time.
wa8rti
06-23-2008, 02:00 PM
Will you be the great decider on who gets an SUV and who doesn't ? Will a multiple choice test be needed in the handing out of SUV purchase permits? My SUV will always be on the road until they make it illegal.
K2WH
See what I mean, the attitude is alive and well. Personnal pleasure ahead of the common good. No foresight as to the future consequences of driving that SUV. To the guy who wants my CC number, no I will not pay for your gas with my CC. But we all will pay the higher transport costs, etc. that are tied to you using fuel at 10 to 15 mpg while I get 28 mpg around town. There would be no market speculators if they couldn't count on you to burn up petroleum at 15 mpg come hell or high water. The best way to put the screws to the oil sheiks is to use less of their product no matter how cheap the price. Some seem to have failed to note that I understand there are those with need of the gas hogs. But if only those who really need the big vehicles had them on the road, I suspect that there would be about 50% less using up our un-renewable supplies. The problem I have is driving that SUV or crew cab pickup to the store for a gallon of milk. And I have a problem with guys who think their manhood is a function of the size vehicle they drive. :p
k8wpj
06-23-2008, 02:09 PM
I saw a news article the other day on TV.
They said the average car in the rest of the world is 1.7 liters and gets around 30 MPG. Here the average is some 4.8 liters and we average some 18.
We use a lot of gas and like HP.
I cut back from a 4 door f-150 with 300 HP that I really no longer needed to a 4 cylinder Toyota Corolla. The truck averaged 15 back and forth to town. The car gets some 36 and cost a lot less to maintain and buy.
It's really all we needed at this time.
Theres also a certain segment of the population in this country that can not let go of a 'dale earnhardt' mentality, and will drive the vehicle with the biggest engines, in the least fuel efficient manner possible... Nothing you can do to change em, thats just what they do...
N4VGB
06-23-2008, 02:17 PM
The problem I have is driving that SUV or crew cab pickup to the store for a gallon of milk.
No CC number eh?:p Here's a jewel for ya from the local newspaper. 2500 people showed up at the local zoo for the birthday party of Hank the chimp!:eek: Yeah that $4+ per gallon gas is really slowing things down around here.:rolleyes:
n2ize
06-23-2008, 02:19 PM
My truck gets 1/2 a mile for every 2 gallons. I deliberatey modified it to get the worst gas milage possible. It also blows out a lot of heavy smoke and gives off extra CO2. When I'm driving I can flip those prius drivers and those fag commie environmentalsits the bird as I step on the gas and head to the nearest filling station. TYhere ain't nuthin I like better than givin the oil companies lots of money while I pollute the heck out of the place. I like breathing in polluted air.
k8wpj
06-23-2008, 02:21 PM
No CC number eh?:p Here's a jewel for ya from the local newspaper. 2500 people showed up at the local zoo for the birthday party of Hank the chimp!:eek: Yeah that $4+ per gallon gas is really slowing things down around here.:rolleyes:
They prolly thought it was a birthday party for the 'decider in cheef'...
N4VGB
06-23-2008, 02:32 PM
They prolly thought it was a birthday party for the 'decider in cheef'...
Just looked back at the newspaper pic of Hank, that rascal does look a bit like the Prez! :eek::D
W3MIV
06-23-2008, 02:41 PM
There is still time before the convention...
W3MIV
06-23-2008, 02:44 PM
My truck gets 1/2 a mile for every 2 gallons. I deliberatey modified it to get the worst gas milage possible. It also blows out a lot of heavy smoke and gives off extra CO2. When I'm driving I can flip those prius drivers and those fag commie environmentalsits the bird as I step on the gas and head to the nearest filling station. TYhere ain't nuthin I like better than givin the oil companies lots of money while I pollute the heck out of the place. I like breathing in polluted air.
As the owner of oil stocks, I beg you to please pay more attention to your health. I want you to consume for a very LONG time.
Keep in mind that some people have no choice but to drive "big V-8 pickups"...ranchers and farmers for example who have to haul trailers and farm implements, etc. I, for one, have to haul a livestock trailer and an "economy" or mid size vehicle won't do it. I hate what it costs to fill it with fuel but really have no choice. For other purposes we do drive my wife's economy vehicle.
No problem with that.
But I see many of those enormous things cruising the streets of NYC, and I doubt they're about to go exploring central park.
No CC number eh?:p Here's a jewel for ya from the local newspaper. 2500 people showed up at the local zoo for the birthday party of Hank the chimp!:eek: Yeah that $4+ per gallon gas is really slowing things down around here.:rolleyes:
It's not like you guys have a choice anyway. Our public transport here is a real, functioning system, unlike most of the rest of the country where it never seems to have been implemented sensibly.
So when y'alls kids are screaming "MOMMY!!! DADDY!!!! TAKE ME TO THE ZOO!!!" the parents have no choice but to fire up the ole gas hog, pull out the credit card and fill 'er up!
Around here, if gas goes up, all we do is hop on the train and away we go.
N4VGB
06-23-2008, 02:57 PM
Around here, if gas goes up, all we do is hop on the train and away we go.
Excellent OM, just excellent.:rolleyes::eek:
N5NPO
06-23-2008, 04:05 PM
My truck gets 1/2 a mile for every 2 gallons. I deliberatey modified it to get the worst gas milage possible. It also blows out a lot of heavy smoke and gives off extra CO2. When I'm driving I can flip those prius drivers and those fag commie environmentalsits the bird as I step on the gas and head to the nearest filling station. TYhere ain't nuthin I like better than givin the oil companies lots of money while I pollute the heck out of the place. I like breathing in polluted air.
Pretty good one John. :D
Have you seen the mini-van on youtube with the turbine jet engine in the back?
Excellent OM, just excellent.:rolleyes::eek:
Yes, very.
n2ize
06-23-2008, 04:10 PM
Pretty good one John. :D
Have you seen the mini-van on youtube with the turbine jet engine in the back?
No, but I want one... :D
n2ize
06-23-2008, 04:21 PM
It's not like you guys have a choice anyway. Our public transport here is a real, functioning system, unlike most of the rest of the country where it never seems to have been implemented sensibly.
So when y'alls kids are screaming "MOMMY!!! DADDY!!!! TAKE ME TO THE ZOO!!!" the parents have no choice but to fire up the ole gas hog, pull out the credit card and fill 'er up!
Around here, if gas goes up, all we do is hop on the train and away we go.
Yeah, but the trains are gonna go up in price too. And there are still lots of recreational places that still require a car. What happens when the kids say "take us out to the beach" ? Not much in the way of public transportation to Jones Beach, Robert Moses beach or any of the south shore beaches. Oh well, I guess there's always Coney Island or Rockaway beach. But the south shore beaches as still nicer and less crowded. Unfortunately the only practical way to reach them is to fire up the car. And what if you want to head up to the mountains ? Not much public transport feeding upstate NY.
Public transport is great for recreation within the city and immediate outlying suburbs. But once you want to travel beyong it's usefullness curve drops off exponentially.
It's probably cheaper to take advantage of a airline vacation package take the kids and fly down to Miami or Ft Lauderdale, Daytona, etc. stay at a hotel or rent a beach house for a week or two than it is to buy gas and drive to and from the local beaches every day. Plus, for the time you're down there the kids get to live on the beach.
Yeah, but the trains are gonna go up in price too. And there are still lots of recreational places that still require a car. What happens when the kids say "take us out to the beach" ? Not much in the way of public transportation to Jones Beach, Robert Moses beach or any of the south shore beaches. Oh well, I guess there's always Coney Island or Rockaway beach. But the south shore beaches as still nicer and less crowded. Unfortunately the only practical way to reach them is to fire up the car. And what if you want to head up to the mountains ? Not much public transport feeding upstate NY.
I thought the LIRR went to quite a few beaches? I could be mistaken.
Buses also go down the (NJ) shore as well.
Public transport is great for recreation within the city and immediate outlying suburbs. But once you want to travel beyond it gets tricky.
It's probably cheaper to take advantage of a airline vacation package take the kids and fly down to Miami or Ft Lauderdale, Daytona, etc. stay at a hotel or rent a beach house for a week or two than it is to buy gas and drive to and from the local beaches every day. Plus, for the time you're down there the kids get to live on the beach.
The problem is when people use recreational transport means to commute. Low gas prices pretty much helped continue that.
n2ize
06-23-2008, 04:51 PM
I thought the LIRR went to quite a few beaches? I could be mistaken.
Buses also go down the (NJ) shore as well.
I don't know of any LIRR spurrs that serve the south shore beaches. There might be a few bus tours that still serve Jones Beach but they are very limited. All in all I know of no other practical means of getting to the south shore beaches other than by car. Most of the south shore beaches public were opened in the days of Robert Moses. In those days gas was cheap and cars were the wave of the future. The whole idea was , every family will have a car and that is how they'll reach the beach... (hey that's poetic) :D
The problem is when people use recreational transport means to commute. Low gas prices pretty much helped continue that.
True, but even there lies a problem. The cost of living has risen so high that it's become tough to live in the city or immediately outlying suburbs. This is especially true for young families that are just starting out. Thus more and more people wind up buying homes well to the north of the city in the rural and semi-rural areas. As it turns out they depend on the car for their 25-50+ mile commutes. Not to mention that many people who don't work in the city and wind up working in areas that have no public transport. These people have no alternative but the car.
But you're right. A lot of people who live much closer in still insist on taking the SUV in to work.
At the same time we really need improved and expanded public transport. What we have now is good, better than many places, but still not enough.
N4VGB
06-23-2008, 06:42 PM
The cost of living has risen so high that it's become tough to live in the city or immediately outlying suburbs.
At the same time we really need improved and expanded public transport. What we have now is good, better than many places, but still not enough.
Obviously what is needed is higher taxes and fees so that these much needed expanded public transportations can be added, it's so simple. :eek::p
Obviously what is needed is higher taxes and fees so that these much needed expanded public transportations can be added, it's so simple. :eek::p
Better than wasting taxes on roads.
N4VGB
06-23-2008, 07:35 PM
Better than wasting taxes on roads.
I'd call and have my property revalued to a higher price if I were you. Those who want so much more from government should be required to give so much more to government.
See what I mean, the attitude is alive and well. Personnal pleasure ahead of the common good.
Hey, the common good didn't get me my engineering degree, my house and or my SUV. However, in the interest of the common good, I am willing to give up my SUV for a smaller car if you will buy it for me. All in the name of the common good of course.
Man what a dictator you would make.
K2WH
I'd call and have my property revalued to a higher price if I were you. Those who want so much more from government should be required to give so much more to government.
I already give more than you do, what are you talking about?
N4VGB
06-23-2008, 08:26 PM
I already give more than you do, what are you talking about?
Very good, you should pay more.
k8wpj
06-23-2008, 08:37 PM
No problem with that.
But I see many of those enormous things cruising the streets of NYC, and I doubt they're about to go exploring central park.
I'm in the same boat as N7WR, i would love to drive my '99 cavalier (32MPG) everywhere, but with our family, and living as far from the next town as we do, it simply isn't practical for most trips, when there's more than one person travelling, or there's cargo involved.
This was the reason we sold it, and I bought the '92 Silverado 1500 Stepside (16-18 MPG) For shopping trips, we used to make a run into Florence or Columbia, at 25 to 50 miles round trip, 3 and 4 times a week. Now, the truck sits 12 days out of 14, but when we do finally make the trip, it's normally an all day thing we do once or twice a month, and we usually fill the truck bed at least 1/2 full with groceries and household stuff that's too big to fit in any other vehicle we have...
As much as we'd like to move, this is the best situation for us, given the current economy. There's no work paying what either of us makes back home in Ohio, and moving closer into the city with 5 dogs and five cats, isn;t possible financially either...
W3MIV
06-23-2008, 08:45 PM
I have some Viet recipes that I am willing to share to help you defray some of your costs.
ad5mb
06-23-2008, 09:14 PM
Some of us just don't fit in runtmobiles. Some of us need a little space around us.
I can't sit upright in anything but Ford products. Go find a Ford Bronco or F150 and picture a person who looks out the top 2" of the windshield. A guy who rubs his hair on the roof. Now find anything else that guy could fit in.
Picture that guy walking around after a day of I Am Joe Vulture in a runtmobile.
http://www.j-ink.com/blog/linusSnoopy_vulture.jpg
That guy would be in a mood, let me tell you.
N5NPO
06-23-2008, 10:42 PM
No, but I want one... :D
Until it came time to buy the jet fuel to fill it up... YIKES!
It would be kinda kool to drive it around a bit, but it is entirly the product of someone with too much free time (and a jet engine) on their hands...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQM_TyyRye4
kf6rdn
06-23-2008, 10:46 PM
Some of us just don't fit in runtmobiles. Some of us need a little space around us.
I can't sit upright in anything but Ford products. Go find a Ford Bronco or F150 and picture a person who looks out the top 2" of the windshield. A guy who rubs his hair on the roof. Now find anything else that guy could fit in.
Picture that guy walking around after a day of I Am Joe Vulture in a runtmobile.
I have the same problem, but it's pretty easy to alleviate by tilting the seat back.
Granted nobody can sit behind me or if they do it's not comfortable.
Also on a motorcycle, sky's the limit.. :D
N5NPO
06-23-2008, 10:59 PM
I have the same problem, but it's pretty easy to alleviate by tilting the seat back.
Granted nobody can sit behind me or if they do it's not comfortable.
Also on a motorcycle, sky's the limit.. :D
Uh, you forgot about low flying black helicopters. :p