Morse Code [Archive]

K9STH

11-25-2002, 04:14 AM

VK4TAY:

Remember your promise made off list about behaving yourself! You are being given another chance based a whole lot on that promise.

When I was in college at Georgia Tech (back in the "dark ages" of the mid-1960s, September 1962 to April 1967), there were several signs available in postcard size that sold for about 10 cents US. I had two of these posted on the bulletin board in my dorm room just to remind me to be on my best behavior.

The first of these signs read: Are you part of the solution or are you contributing to the problem?

The second read: Instruction #1, remove foot from mouth. Instruction #2, make sure brain is engaged before re-engaging mouth.

The conception of the first sign is obvious. As for the second sign, I have paraphrased it into the following: Instruction #1, remove "foot" from keyboard. Instruction #2, make sure brain is running before typing on keyboard again.

One sure method (at least for the vast majority of people) is to type your comment(s) and/or reply. However, do NOT activate the computer to send this message. Walk away for a period of time (10 to 30 minutes depending on your attitude at that particular moment). Return to the computer and re-read the message. Then, take the time to edit your reply to say what you mean WITHOUT "snide" remarks, personal attacks, off-color humor, and anything else that just might be taken "wrong" by those who read your message. Then, activate the computer to up-load the message to the appropriate forum.

Humor is fine, but remember that no one likes an "educated donkey", especially one who is acting juvinile in his/her posts. Make sure that your humor is appropriate to the situation, not just some "off the cuff" remark that serves only to inflame the readers of your posts.

It is, believe it or not, very easy to get your "point across" without inflaming the situation. You can "word" your comments to present a rational, educationed adult approach that lets everyone know your position without insulting or angering others. I do not agree with a lot of things that are posted on this site. But, if the things that are posted are done in a rational, adult manner, then I have no problems at all with those posts. I can respect the other person's opinion even when I completely disagree with those comments. A good example of this are some of the discussions that I have had with Jim Haynie, the President of the ARRL, both on these forums and elsewhere. We definitely do not see "eye to eye" on a lot of things, while other things we do agree with each other. Often the situation is such that we agree in part and disagree on part. However, we do have respect for each other personally, and in respect to our opinions as well. By the way, both Jim and I live the the Dallas / Fort Worth Metroplex, and thus he is definitely "local" to me.

As I told you in personal E-Mail, I will defend your right to express your opinions, no matter if I agree with them or not. However, you need to "clean up your act" with regard as to how you express these opinions.

Glen, K9STH

M1MPW

11-25-2002, 10:59 AM

Hmmm... No Code in the UK!!!!?!?!?!?

I doubt it very much!!!

Even by december 2003 or 2004.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to doing the morse test.
I'll be very upset if I turn up only to be sent away!

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Mark

M3MPW

w3sy

11-25-2002, 04:53 PM

I, for one, have had it with VK4TAY's anti-American comments. Why is that child even allowed to post here?

As I've said, not all people who hate the USA wear turbans.

At least he's not harassing me in personal e-mail any more. I guess my little chat with his ISP had something to do with that. And they are very anxious to know if he does it again. Apparently, I was not the first to complain.

Anyway, back on topic, the UK might be offering some kind of restricted no-code ticket, but full HF privs with no code just won't happen until (if) the international agreement changes.

Out.

KB9YKY

11-25-2002, 07:32 PM

W3SY, maybe you should drop a note to the club that the silly boy claims to be affiliated with (link from his bio on QRZ's callsign lookup database). They probably would find his bad behavior interesting.

WB2GOF

11-25-2002, 08:59 PM

I guess he's not exactly the good Christian he professes in his homepage.

K9STH

11-26-2002, 12:18 AM

After repeated warnings from me (and others) and promises by VK4TAY to behave, he has joined the very "elite" organization that consists of those persons who have been banned from QRZ.com.

Glen, K9STH
One of the QRZ.com moderators

W5ATX

11-26-2002, 12:49 AM

Thank you.

w3sy

11-26-2002, 06:16 AM

Thank you, Glen.

For those of you who have attempted to use the various ham newsgroups, and have left in disgust because they are sewers, it's easy to appreciate how QRZ is run. Much respect to Glen and the other moderators who allow some leeway, but know when and where to draw the line.

You want to believe that hams, with all their faults, are a congenial bunch, and are ambassadors of international goodwill when conversing with brother (and sister) hams in other countries. Sadly, there are a few exceptions. Little Chris was one. Good riddance.

73,
Steve W3SY

M3TMC

11-27-2002, 12:40 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w3sy @ Nov. 24 2002,15:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">M3MTC sez: "As from December we in the UK dont need morse to get the Full ticket."

Really? How is that possible? International agreement still calls for a code test for anyone operating below 30 MHz. If and when the international agreement is removed, individual countries will then decide individually if they will continue to test for code.

Someone please verify this.

Out.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
TELL ME WHY THEN AM I TALKING ON 20M WITH M3TMC AND I HAVENT EVEN GOT MORSE? LIKE I SAID FROM DECEMBER THE MOSE IS DROPPED AND IM TOLD FROM JANUARY CLASS B RAE WILL GET FULL CLASS AND NOVICE 2E1 WILL GET 2E0! WHO CARES ANYWAY, SOON MORSE WILL BE GONE AND THE REST OF THE WORLD WILL FOLLOW.

OUT

ITS COMMING GUYS, LIVE WITH IT! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

KE1EJ

11-27-2002, 01:10 PM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif Buy A c.b. radio,thats where that kind of ignorant statement belongs.More room for us "woodpeckers" on the real amateur bands..CW CW

Phineas

11-27-2002, 03:25 PM

I recently talked to an older ham (80 years old) who was money challenged for the most part. He was telling me that way back when that AM, SSB, Transceivers were very expensive, so all he could do was build a CW transmitter and receiver. In my opinion, that makes all of the sense in the world. I wonder how many older hams had the same experience? Now appliances are fairly cheap, and easy to get for voice communications. I think consideration on this code/no code issue should be raised. How can you just want to take away a mode that is the only mode some people have just because a person thinks its a pain to learn it. What about all of the countries that CW is the only way they can communicate. What about the speach impaired? The list goes on and on. If we were to just drop code, we would be cutting off a good portion of people.

Getting rid of CW as a requirement is just a bad idea right now. I personally think if you are going to operate on a world class band, you should be required to operate a world class mode.

One more thing. These same people that say they cant learn code are usually(but not always) the same people that will profess themselves to be a genius at something else like Electronics, Sports, Women, and many other complicated things, but procrastinate(Need spell checker http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif ) about learning 30 charactors. Makes no sense.

Procrastination takes 100 times longer than it takes to do the job.

Phineas
K0KMA

kg6nus

11-27-2002, 03:36 PM

last time i said something in a no code thread it turned into a bunch of crap, but since this doesnt have to do with oneside or the other of the code/no code debate...

how is removing the code requirement taking away a mode? nothing forces people to actually use cw after they learned it well enough to pass the 5wpm test. there's no exam requirement for any of the packet radio digital modes and people use those. nothing would stop people from learning code on their own and using it, just the same as nothing stops people from buying a computer, learning how to use it, and then using packet radio

KB9YKY

11-27-2002, 03:50 PM

The slow cw test requirement keeps the CBers off the world (hf) class bands. The amateur radio service primarily exists so that there is an availble pool of competant radio communicators. If those in the pool are incapable of being able to communicate using the most efficient, most effective, and most reliable mode= there wouldn't really be much need for the service to even exist.

kg6nus

11-27-2002, 03:56 PM

so just why did you have to go and make it code/no-code? *sigh* my point is, that if there is no cw requirement, that doesnt mean that suddenly there will be no more cw operators, and that no one will ever take the time to learn code in the future. that doesnt have anything to do with cb'ers or anyone really.

w1pmc

11-27-2002, 04:39 PM

I can see both sides of this issue. Currently, I'm a Tech, and am slowly learning cw. I have no problem with doing it, either.
I do agree that there needs to be some kind of 'filter' so the average Joe can't just walk into Shadio Rack and buy a license. However, as kg6nus points out, why don't we have tests on the digital modes, ATV, etc also? If we don't have cw as a testing requirement, then there should be something to take it's place. If it's just a big written test, then it should be something that requires hours of study time. Applicants shouldn't be able to memorize the study material and then regurgitate that info onto the answer sheet. IMO, that is how the Tech 30 question test is now.

kg6nus

11-27-2002, 05:10 PM

exactly. a 75 question test instead of the 35 question joke that only requires 26 or more correct would do a lot more filtering that a code test ever will. and the fact that people publish the question pool for the tests doesnt exactly help either. increase the question pool to 600 instead of the 300 or so that it is now, make the exam 75 questions, and you'll still get plenty of educated people and keep all the "undesireables" filtered out. the general exam is also only 35 questions or so last i looked. a big enough question pool makes people have to study, not just crap and throw answers they jus memorized on a page. i remember reading somwhere than the pass rate for these cram classes averaged 99%, that's ridiculous. and how there's 6 and 7 year olds getting tech licenses left and right? im not saying that there should be an age requirement, but if a 6 year old is capable of memorizing this stuff and spitting it onto the answer sheet, that should be a clue that there's something wrong with current exam methods. a 6 year old should have to work their butt off to past this test and then if they do, they have something to be proud of. not just have to sit still for 5 hours

oh wait, i already said that before but since people cant grasp that 5wpm code doesnt filter anything out except the ppl that dont want to learn code, i got chastized for 4 pages for it.

w3sy

11-27-2002, 05:21 PM

M3TMC clamps down the Caps Lock and says:

"TELL ME WHY THEN AM I TALKING ON 20M WITH M3TMC AND I HAVENT EVEN GOT MORSE?"

Um, because you are operating illegally?

I have heard that the UK is coming out with some kind of license that is supposed to let you operate QRP SSB on certain frequencies. But even that does not seem to make sense in light of the STILL-EXISTING international rule that requires CW testing for HF privs.

The fact that you have not been cited has more to do with enforcement, or lack thereof, than whether or not it's legal, Old Bean.

HF operators with no CW proficiency is one thing. HF operators not knowing rules and regulations is another. I surely hope there is to be NO connection between the two!!

He continues:

"... SOON MORSE WILL BE GONE AND THE REST OF THE WORLD WILL FOLLOW."

What? The rest of the world will be gone?

"OUT"

Yah, way out.

"ITS COMMING GUYS, LIVE WITH IT!"

Is "comming" short for "communicating?" Not sure just what you are saying. CW is an excellent mode to choose if you have some "comming" to do.

Cheerio.

Out.

KB9YKY

11-27-2002, 05:35 PM

Many 6 yea r olds hold general class tickets or higher. You don't hear them boo-hooing how unfair life is to them. No matter how hard the written tests are, if a person doesn't know how to copy code it would be impossible for them to recognize imporatant cw signals, such as a distress call, as anything more than "noise". Other digital modes are fine to play with, but is not a good mode for emergency or disaster situations. Computers don't fare well in adverse conditions or less than ideal environ Suppose there would be an attack, or some disaater, where an intense electromagnetic pulse would occur. For the most part, the majority of the radios that would still function would be the most basic cw rigs. The only plus side to eliminating the cw requirement would be the fact that more hams would be using cw than now= as using cw would be the only way to distinguish the hams from the CBers with amateur callsigns.

kg6nus

11-27-2002, 05:58 PM

while ham radio is supposed to also be for emergency communicationn for distasters, you can be paranoid with your emp's from nuclear attacks. im not. especially in such an event you're going to be either dead, or worrying about your personal and family's safety, not necesarily worrying about grabbing your amatuer radio rig.

floods, earthquakes, hurricanes, blizzards, tornados. those actually have people using amatuer radio for emergency communications on quite a regular basis. with quite a bit of success in terms of doing any actual communicating. and they arent relying on cw, not that im saying they dont use it, but they dont rely on it.

ok lets suppose a nuke went off over san francisco(i live in the bay area) and didnt kill me in an instant, like it was a smaller nuke. and lets say, the emp hit my house. i would expect myself, as well as my neighbors to ebgin worrying about their own personal survival instead of worrying about tv or the radio, cw or not. im gonna be looking for an uncontaminated food and water supply, not a tranceiver. and as far as a receiver, what are you gonan do, stand out in the street yelling to everyone? no, you're gonna be in your house stuffing cracks trying to keep fallout from getting in.

it amazes me that people actually think there's going to be any organization for anything in the vicinity of a nuke blast if one were to be detonated in the us. you dont see post apocalyptic movies all looking the way they do for nothing.(oh wait, shouldnt have said that, now someone might write 4 paragraphs to gripe at me about movies or something)

i never said digitl modes faerd well in disaster communications, especially requiring computers. if anything they would probably be all but completely worthless. but unless it's some extreme case, no one relies on cw and just about any idiot can recognize ... --- ... whether they're proficient in code or not, such as someone trapped in a collapsed building tapping their foot against a pipe for rescue workers to hear(more practical use for cw than communicating in the event of an emp, not that other uses are less practical than this)

and aside from that, your own statement supports what me and others were saying, more people would use code to seperate themselves from the "evil cb'ers" well more and more people might get curious as to exactly what all these hams are doing and learn code on their own anyway. so like i said, not requiring code doesnt eliminate people using cw

K0RGR

11-27-2002, 06:21 PM

All right - I'm easily baited, or just bored on a slow day before a holiday.

The 'no-code' HF licenses exist. Go to the RSGB and JARL web sites and read for yourself. Japan has had a no code ticket for more than 20 years. Britain just instituted one last year. The British substitute a 'Morse Assessment' for a code proficiency test. The applicant gets a chart with the morse code on it, and they send him a letter and ask him to look it up. The website says it is a class, not a test, taking about 30 minutes to complete. The license is granted after successful completion of a certified licensing class, which can be easily completed in a weekend. The material covered looks pretty basic - similar to our Tech exam with no theory. Licensees are limited to 10W on all HF bands except 10 meters.
Their former VHF-only licensees can get the Foundation Class HF priveleges through this Morse Assessment, too.

I do not know the Japanese rationale - they clearly violate the ITU rule, but how much influence does the UN really have? If the other member nations don't move to sanction them, the effect is -zero-. The British web site says that they will do this ersatz code test until the International rules are changed. The U.S. Congress chooses to adopt the ITU rules verbatim, so it is U.S. law, and I believe it would take an act of Congress, not FCC, to change it here.

Personally, I'm interested in seeing how the British 'Foundation' license works out. So far, I've seen only positive things.

I don't advocate this 'Morse Assessment' idea, but I would like to see our Techs get some very limited HF priveleges here - maybe 10 watts on 80/75 cw, data and SSB - and would not oppose this as a way to get them there.

w1pmc

11-27-2002, 06:35 PM

Now before I get flamed, I'll say that I'm not and never have been a CB'er. I'm currently studying CW and will pass the 5wpm test in the near future. I'm not advocating getting rid of CW. As I said in a previous post, I can see both sides of the coin, here.

What is this "those damned CB'ers will invade the HF bands if the CW requirement is dropped" mentality I keep reading about on this board?
Yes, I'm fully aware of the CB'ers that wander up onto 10 meters. Yes, I'm fully aware of the CB type ops that hangout on VHF/UHF. Yes, I'm fully aware of the hams that operate on the HF bands and demonstrate poor operating practices. I've monitored them all for years. But, if today the FCC dropped the CW requirement, do you honestly think that 'those damned CB'er hordes' would suddenly just up and totally invade the HF bands and make normal operation very difficult if not impossible?

Oh, and one last thing: Does anybody have actual numbers on how many children under 12 years of age actually have a General or Extra class license? Everytime this topic pops up, somebody always says, "stop whining about CW because there are 6 year olds out there that have General class licenses." I'm sure there are, but how many?

Phineas

11-27-2002, 06:39 PM

I can see both sides, and have been on both sides. I just dont see why learning code is such a big deal one way or the other, or why people are so bent on getting rid of it as a requirement. A person can have lots of fun in radio above 50mhz. If there is a requirement for code under 30mhz on amateur bands, then what is the gripe. Especially at 5 words a minute. Come one now fellas.It is harder to learn how to make beer than learn morse code enough to pass the test.

If they drop code, cool, but if not I just cant see what the big deal is.

As far as getting rid of a mode, what do you think is going to happen when the ITU drops code as a requirement? People are just going to petition to shrink, or just get rid of the CW part of the bands like 15/20/80 meters where half the band is CW.

Just an opinion and observation.

Phineas
K0KMA

kg6nus

11-27-2002, 06:41 PM

yea, i wonder that myself. and aside from 6 year olds with general class licenses, how many actually use it? only reason i even mentioned people this young, was that the cram methods currently being used are too easy, which is the real problem.

and i as well dont see hoards of cb'ers going out and buying hf rigs and taking the exams the day after the cw requirement might go out the window. sounds like paranoid elitism which is not good for a public image for anything

phineas, about people petitioning for shrinkage of cw bands, that's one of the few arguements i've seen that isnt simply paranoid elitism and is a real issue. but how long would that take? i dont see it as happening overnight. and with as many doomsday people as i see claiming ham radio will die, would that occur before ham radio wound up dead? i dont see changes of any sort being swift in any way, so if it took 20 years and ham radio fell by the wayside in 15 who's to care? but i guess that would take a psychic to know.

M3TMC

11-27-2002, 07:40 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9YKY @ Nov. 27 2002,08:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The slow cw test requirement keeps the CBers off the world (hf) class bands. The amateur radio service primarily exists so that there is an availble pool of competant radio communicators. If those in the pool are incapable of being able to communicate #using the most efficient, most effective, and most reliable mode= there wouldn't really be much need for the service to even exist.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
What a load of rubish! Dont you think that the iq level required to pass just the written ( theory ) part of the class A is enough to keep the crap away. Alot of people of the "HF" bands can be found on 11m anyway! They just wont admit it!

CW is not a sign that you are genius or that you are a better radio opp. What makes you think that stringing a load of tones together into alphabet makes you any wiser?
I can play the Piano, Trumpet and Guitar, does this make me any better than the next man? NO!
CW is out dated and outclassed by sattellite, GPS ect modes of emergancy location and comunication. Would you cross the Atlantic if you knew that the ship you was on relied on CW mode for communication? I think not!
CW is a hobbie mode that shouldnt be a part of the exam!
Anyway soon it will be gone and we wont need it to collect our class A. Like it or not it is on its way.
The advent of the Foundation (M3) has added 5000 more budding "HAMS" to the hobbie in the UK, a hobbie that needed it because it was dieing a slow death!
Think about it!!

M3TMC

11-27-2002, 07:55 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w3sy @ Nov. 27 2002,10:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">M3TMC clamps down the Caps Lock and says:

"TELL ME WHY THEN AM I TALKING ON 20M WITH M3TMC AND I HAVENT EVEN GOT MORSE?"

Um, because you are operating illegally?

I have heard that the UK is coming out with some kind of license that is supposed to let you operate QRP SSB on certain frequencies. But even that does not seem to make sense in light of the STILL-EXISTING international rule that requires CW testing for HF privs.

The fact that you have not been cited has more to do with enforcement, or lack thereof, than whether or not it's legal, Old Bean.

HF operators with no CW proficiency is one thing. HF operators not knowing rules and regulations is another. I surely hope there is to be NO connection between the two!!

He continues:

"... SOON MORSE WILL BE GONE AND THE REST OF THE WORLD WILL FOLLOW."

What? The rest of the world will be gone?

"OUT"

Yah, way out.

"ITS COMMING GUYS, LIVE WITH IT!"

Is "comming" short for "communicating?" Not sure just what you are saying. CW is an excellent mode to choose if you have some "comming" to do.

Cheerio.

Out.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Sorry had to put my penny in.

This post of yours just goes to show how ignorant you are, as i am licensed to use HF ,UHF and VHF just as you exept i cant use 10m and more than 10w.

To say you "commucate" with the world you should listern more. The Foundation has been going for months and over 5000 of us are on the bands without passing morse!

Read and weep!
We are legal OLD BEAN LMAO!!!!

SARCASM IS THE LOWEST FORM OF WIT. IT GOES DOWN BETTER IF YOU KNOW THE FACTS!!

old bean lmao!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

KB9YKY

11-27-2002, 07:55 PM

NUSsy, are you one of those California liberals? You sure sound like one wanting everything for "free". Yes, if San Francisco were bombed, I would want communications. During the severe weather scenario you brought up= again cw prevails and will get through when all othe modes fail. cw is indeed a buffer that keeps CBers from getting into amateur radio. As soon as word got out that the cw requirement was abolished, VEC test sessions would be flooded with CBers anxious to get on HF so that they could yell "10-4, breaker breaker" with their power mics and reverberators. Just look at what happened to the FM portions of 2 meters, and 440,when cw testing was dropped for the tech class license. America has been dumbed down too much already. Enough is enough.

WB2GOF

11-27-2002, 07:56 PM

....YAWN.....

kg6nus

11-27-2002, 08:18 PM

if SF were bombed you would want communications? you dont live anywhere near here, you're in Illinois. why would you need cw to communicate and get information? ok, fine "icKY"(since you like cute little pet names), if a nuke was dropped 15 miles away from your house, you mean to tell me that instead of worrying about your family members, getting food, water, finding shelter, you're going to worry about communicating in cw with people not in the area? that's worthless. and even in adverse weather conditions cw isnt the only mode available. and let me know when an earthquake, is a waether condition. or a flood interferes with radio signal propogation, even a tornado doesnt unless you were transmitting from the center of it somehow. you still havent mentioned where this emp paranoia of yours stems from

and california liberal? californian yes, liberal no. are you jealous that i live in an area that doesnt get blizzards, hurricanes, and tornados every year? so what if i can walk outside in shorts in the middle of winter to get my paper, deal with it. and how does not being on the "LEARN CW OR DIE!" side of the fence indicate i want anything for free? it's only 5wpm, cw learning programs are free. so how would not requiring cw make it any more free than it already is?

what about 2 meters? except for the occasional person keying up a repeater with dead air for a second, or maybe a rare idiot using a dtmf tone over a conversation, there's no "10-4 good buddy" or even anything similar on 2m/440 repeaters here.

what possibly makes you think that VEC test sessions would be flooded with cb'ers? do you have any facts to show this? are you certain that all of these people you have a problem with on 2m were cb'ers before they got their no-code tech licenses? i've never seen you give any basis for this once. and i hoenstly doubt you have such facts. if you did, other people would also and it would be thrown around for all to see. hell, how do you even know most cb'ers even have a clue about anything regarding ham radio? the general public doesnt, i dont see why cb'ers would be any exception.

you keep spouting off garbage that appears to be nothing but paranoid elitst assumptions and have never given a basis for any of your comments. snide comments and cute names dont count.

and the guy that griped about the m3tmc's spelling wasnt much better, as if it was so hard to understand exactly what he was saying anyway?

it's paranoid elitism. not wanting the average joe to be able to set foot on the dirveway to your country club. you dont have any facts, you cant go without making idiotic comments. it's the exact same trash i hear racists spout, except with the vocabulary of an amatuer radio operator. you dotn want the "undesirables" to darken your doorstep when you cant even show that it would happen, or that it's even an issue at the present, as if it would be in the future. and before you come up with something to say about that, "extended range" cb radios are cb operators going out of band, that's completely different than cb operators going out and getting licensed and buying another set of equipment.

oh wait, you didnt take the fact that not every cb operator would be willing to go out and spend another wad of cash for new equipment just because they hear dthey could spend 10 bucks, pass a test, and use another band, did you?

and since yky apparently has some attitude against me since im from california, fine. im not going to bother replying to this idiot hillbilly from the farm belt anymore. of course i bet he's going to make another cute little comment about that as well. it's obvious he cant help himself

KB9YKY

11-27-2002, 08:21 PM

M3, to say that cw is outdated is just silliness. cw works when the satellites go down. cw covers greater distances, under more adverse conditions than ANY other mode. To claim anything otherwise, again is just silliness. Even on vhf/uhf gets through and covers greater distance than ANY other mode. Try working over here, to the "states", sometime on 6 meters= go head to head against a cw operator while YOU use any other mode= see who fares better= YOU or the guy using the "outdated" mode. The ability to get through when ALL other modes fail sure is "indication of a superior operator". For an "outdated" mode, it sure is strange that the world's best contesters do it with cw.

K9STH

11-27-2002, 08:31 PM

Lets all calm down, the posts are starting to get personal. #Also, for those who don't know how to use proper capitalization, punctuation, and spell checkers, please note that it is just as hard to read your posts as those who use all capitals.

This isn't an Internet "chat board", you do have time to use the "shift" key for capitals, proper punctuation, and edit your comments for spelling. #Now, I admit that I am not the best "speller" in the world. #I definitely have to stop and check some of what I type and even then a misspelled word, or two, gets through. #However, having several misspelled words in almost every sentence is just plain sloppy.

Glen, K9STH
One of the QRZ.com moderators

M3TMC

11-27-2002, 08:37 PM

Tell me when cw has been used because all other modes have failed. Like mentioned in more than one post, i dont think cw will be in the uppermost of my mind when this disaster happens. Lets face it it will have to be a catastrophic one to kill all other forms of communication.
Who will be looking for Europe so distance isnt the issue. Emergencys on this level are first delt with at local level.

Contests? Is this what Amateur radio is all about? Have you spent all that time learning just to dah dit all weekend?
I have passed 12 wpm morse and am sitting the RAE next week. I did it so "friendly HAm" cant say i got it given and wont be found in CW mode.

It was easy! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

KB9YKY

11-27-2002, 08:58 PM

Yes, young NUSsy, I do not want "undesirables" on amateur radio. If I belonged to a country club, I would not want "undesirables" there either. Nor, do I want them in my community (or my country for that matter). If that is being "elitest" so be it. Yes, young NUSsy, if Californee were bombed, or anywhere else in America, I would want good, efficient, and a reliable form of communications. Yes, I would if the bomb was dropped near to my location. I would want information so I would know what action/inaction I should take. As for my living in Illinois= If I preferred another climate, I would sell out and move. YOUR knowledge of weather and geography evidently is equal to your knowledge of radio. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif I never knew that Illinois had "blizzards, tornadoes, and hurricanes every year". http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Strange, I haven't seen a blizzard around here since 1979= and I have never seen, or heard, of a hurricane anywhere in the midwest http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif As for Cbers not being on 2 meter repeaters= I was under the impression that the infamous W6NUT repeater was out there on the sunny leftist coast. Odd that a smart boy and avid FMer, like yourself, is unaware of one of your state's most well known attractions http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

kg6nus

11-27-2002, 09:00 PM

k9sth, im not saying that tons of mispelled words are acceptable(there's a point where it's ridiculous)but no, im not going to slow down my typing jsut to capitalize every i and first letter in a sentence, because a: i dont have to, you arent giving me a grade that's going to carry anywhere. and b: i type markedly faster this way, and this isnt the only thing im doing.

however someone making a smartass comment about m3tmc's "comming" is not only completely out of line, but poinless. if you speak english, it's quite clear what he meant, and didnt require a post just to berate him over it.

sure, i do have the time to check my captilazation and spelling and puncuation, but for the most part, this IS an internet chat board(you must have meant chat room, or channel) and im not going to take the extra effort to do so if i dont have to, because it holds absolutely no value to me whether i do or not because i dont care if some guy on the internet doesnt like that i dont captilize every "i". if i could take the tiem to do it, you could take the time to deal with my lack of doing it, because i dont recall any requirement for this board that says i have to do so. hence there's no reason anyone should be chastized for it. and an extra m or all capitals may make it mroe difficult for some to read, but not all. the only reason i find all capitals annoying is because hitting your caps lock key fixes it and it simply looks like you're too dumb to realize that your caps lock is on which is an issue with computers for things like passwords(and if you accidentally leave your caps lock on in a unix environment, you realize it real fast)

w1pmc

11-27-2002, 09:10 PM

Sorry to get off topic, but I have to make an observation:

Ever notice that when some hams get behind the microphone they become obnoxious, rude jackasses, but when you meet them in person they act perfectly fine? Seems the same thing happens on the internet only at a higher level. It seems that on almost every one of the threads on this board, things go downhill fast because someone has to be a nasty pr*&k just because they don't like what somebody says. Sure we all have opinions, but you don't need to be a jerk if you disagree with somebody else.

w3sy

11-27-2002, 09:11 PM

M3TMC, upon finding the caps lock key, scribbled:

"This post of yours just goes to show how ignorant you are, as i am licensed to use HF ,UHF and VHF just as you exept i cant use 10m and more than 10w."

Well, if I'm ignorant because I don't know what foolish rules are enacted in other countries, then so be it. Evidently, your reading comprehension skills match your laughable writing skills because I did mention that I was aware of some license in the UK that allows some limited QRP operation.

"To say you "commucate" with the world you should listern more."

I'd "commucate" and "listern" MUCH more if I had any idea what language you were speaking and what you were attempting to say.

"The Foundation has been going for months and over 5000 of us are on the bands without passing morse!"

Ah, yes. The Foundation License. I saw a discussion thread on that right here on QRZ.COM. There was some spirited discussion on that topic. I reserved judgment until I was able to see what type of operator and what type of individual would seek that license. Now that I know, I'm not too terribly impressed. Nothing personal, old chappie.

"Read and weep!"

I have read. Yet, for some reason, I'm not weeping. Sorry to disappoint. But I did get a few chuckles out of your attempts to use the English language. It's just as well that you will not be on CW in this lifetime. That requires basic spelling skills.

"We are legal OLD BEAN LMAO!!!!"

Fabulous. So are we. But you don't see us laughing and carrying on as if we got our on-air privileges by cheating the system, violating international agreement, or otherwise putting something over on someone. Yaaaaawwwwwwnnnn...

"SARCASM IS THE LOWEST FORM OF WIT. IT GOES DOWN BETTER IF YOU KNOW THE FACTS!!"

So, guv, tell me.... Are all Foundationers like you? Blimey!

Well Cheerio, pip pip, and all that bloody rot. Got to get me fish 'n' chips and pop round to see the Queen. #Haw....

Out.

W8FAX

11-27-2002, 09:17 PM

Why would anyone WANT to bomb S.F., Ca?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif???

kg6nus

11-27-2002, 09:28 PM

why would anyone want to bomb the us with a nuke period? sure terrorists may be a little crazy, but they arent completely stupid. i simply used sf as an example of a disaster that might happen involving an emp that yky was so worried about since aside from the occasional earthquakes and floods in some small area, we dont get the tornados the midwest does, the hurricanes the eastern seaboard does, the blizzards the northern us does, volcano eruptions, etc. and i don't recall any naturally occuring emp phenomena aside from lightning strikes, which are pretty localized and measured in feet.

M3TMC

11-27-2002, 10:54 PM

W3SY: LMAO at him

Hark on at you, an American who has learnt the "changed" version of English.

I aspire to be like you (NOT) The topic was CW and it as part of the exam and not my English skills.

A key is not shipped with HF sets! Is it not a mic? Do you not have to own or purchase a key to use it with the radio you just purchased?

Seems to me the mic wins over the key or the key would be shipped with the set and not the #mic!

Anyway carry on iv had me fill cocka!

P.S Tell me whats with the pip pip and old bean?
You must spend tooooo much time watching the box mate. I spend 2 months a year in the States and find the English programs are 20 years out of date. If you carry on i will tell you what is going on in Coronation Street and spoil your fun LOL!

K9STH

11-28-2002, 12:09 AM

NUS:

I didn't single you out! Why so defensive? There are several people who type messages on this board, which is NOT a chat room, etc., who use all lower case letters, can't spell worth a darn, and don't use proper punctuation, etc. As I said before, I am definitely not the best "speller" in the world. In fact, the automatic spell check on Microsoft Word is one of my "best" friends! Also, especially since a few misspelled words definitely get into my posts, I don't begrudge anyone else's spelling problems. But, juxtipositions, deliberate failure to use capitalization, etc., make those type of posts MUCH harder to read and to understand.

I did not say that you could not post using your method, nor that you would get a "grade" on it, etc. However, among most people written communications follows the rules of grammer, etc. You know, those things that you were supposed to learn in English class in school!

Having been a professional author for over 40 years (I sold my first article when I was 16 and have well over 1000 items published over the years), I do "cringe" when I see the blatant misuse of the written language. Since one is not actually speaking to another person, the personality of the person comes through what is written, including the subject matter, "tone" of writing, presentation of ideas, and the presentation of actual writing form. This last thing includes spelling, punctuation, capitalization, and the like. Use of proper writing techniques is like the difference of conversing in person with someone who is neatly dressed, speaks clearly, etc. in contrast with someone in a dirty "T" shirt, hasn't had a shower since the last time it rained several months ago, and is talking with a mouth full of MacDonald's french fries!

I know that to some people what others think of them is immaterial. But, if someone "appears" sloppy, uneducated, and the like, then no matter what their position is on any particular subject their opinion will not be seriously considered by the masses. This is unfortunate, because sometimes that particular person does make some very good points. However, if their presentation is sloppy on purpose, then the vast majority of people do not take that person seriously. If they don't care about what people think about them, then why should people care about them? Think about it!

You have made some good points and you have gone off the deep end on numerous occasions. However, among your attitude, presentation, and "going off on tangents", many of the persons who post on QRZ.com do not take you seriously. I have actually been asked to have you banned. So far, your conduct has not been (at least in my opinion) bad enough to prohibit you from posting on this site. But, there have been a few occasions where you have been "treading on thin ice".

Take a look at what the most recent person who was banned was doing and then try to avoid what he was involved with. This goes for others as well. Most things are accepted on QRZ.com so long as those things do not get profane, obscene, or personal. There are definitely ways to get one's point across without resorting to profanity, obscenities, or personal attacks.

Anyway, there is no requirement that proper English be used on QRZ.com. However, the vast majority of people do use it and also expect the same from others.

Glen, K9STH
One of the QRZ.com moderators

kg6nus

11-28-2002, 03:30 AM

i know exactly what the most recent person banned has been doing. he was being a troll. the difference ebtween his posts and my own should be very obvious. as far as people asking to have me banned i dont really care because i know what the rules are and i havent violated any of them. as far as im concerned the people that have asked to have me banned are probably a bunch of paranoid elitists who cant stand to thnik that someone has gotten into their little eclusive club, holds a different view, and is vocal about it without wanting to back down when they ignore him and throw up a bunch of crap simply to try and make him look bad.

as far as good grammar for typing being the only way to be taken seriously, i dont think so. i dont take canadians who say "eh" any less seriously than anyone else. and that isnt exactly good grammar for speech.

and the reason i did go off about people griping at others for grammar is simple. this is the internet, nothing requires anyone to be from an english speaking country here. and you dont even know if english is everyone's first language. and if it just so happens someone with apparent bad grammar doesnt speak english as their first langauge, which could even happen if they're from the us or the uk, dont you think that would simply be rude and disrespectful?

w0dz

11-28-2002, 04:12 AM

The 11/27 episode of "Enterprise" has solved the Morse debate once and for all. Hoshi, the comm officer, had disappeared when her molecules got scrambled in the transporter, but she managed to tap out an SOS on a plasma relay in the captain's quarters. Captain Archer said "Morse code has been used on Earth for centuries."

And of course, in Star Trek V, Scotty taps out a message in Morse code just prior to blowing a hole in a wall to effect a jailbreak.

There you go. It will last at least into the 23nd century. So I guess we better keep it alive.

Of course, the TV episode turned out to be a dream that occurred in the last couple of seconds of her re-materialization on the transporter platform, so it could be her mixed up mind just *thinking* Morse code had been used for centuries.

Drat.

w3sy

11-28-2002, 04:25 AM

M3TMC, who brought a soggy pack of matches to his "flame war," swings and misses again with:

"W3SY: LMAO at him"

I say! Such a jolly bloke, you are! Perhaps I'll soon hear your laughing voice on 20 meters, courtesy of your 10 watt signal and mail-order license. (Send three box tops and 5 bob and you can 'ave a bloody license of yer own, squire.)

"Hark on at you, an American who has learnt the "changed" version of English."

Forsooth! After reading your series of posts here, it's clear to me that nobody has "changed" (rather, MANGLED) the English language worse than have you. If the scribble you have posted is the true English, then I'd say we bloody Yanks have changed it for the better. Haw...

"I aspire to be like you (NOT)"

Oh boo HOO! Say it isn't SO! #(chuckle...)

"The topic was CW and it as part of the exam and not my English skills."

... or dreadful lack thereof. Quite true, old top. Let's now examine some... ahem... INTERESTING logic put forth in your last offering:

"A key is not shipped with HF sets! Is it not a mic? Do you not have to own or purchase a key to use it with the radio you just purchased? Seems to me the mic wins over the key or the key would be shipped with the set and not the #mic!"

Let's see if I have this straight: The manufacturer ships a MIC (albeit a crappy one) with the rig... and not a KEY... so the implication is they (the manufacturer, or course) want you to use the rig on 'phone and not on CW.

Uh huh. Welp... Then you've convinced ME! Right, then. Where would we be without the manufacturers telling us straight out what modes we should and shouldn't operate.

But wait a bit -- Could they also be implying that if you desire to use the rig on CW, you're smart enough to know that you need a key, and competent enough to pick one that's right for you? Whereas, if you're a 'phone only op, you have to be told, "Here, take this. This is your microphone. Try to plug it in without hurting yourself."

I say! I do say! I feel the manufacturers may have just insulted you, old chap. Sit down and write them a nasty letter in Japanese. (English suits you not.)

"Anyway carry on iv had me fill cocka!"

I can tell you've had your fill. You are definitely full of it.

Well, cheerio, squire. Pip pip!

p.s. -- Are your phonetics "M 3 Terrified of Morse Code?" Woowoo, now I'm laughing MY bottom off! Huzzah!

Out.....

K9STH

11-28-2002, 04:26 AM

Chanun: You went off on another tangent! If you carefully read my statement, you will see that I used the term "purposely" when referring to bad grammer, etc. Also, anyone with an amateur radio license issued within the CONUS can pretty much be found to speak English. Now, there can be exceptions, but you are not one of those.

As for people who do not speak English as their primary language, I find that the vast majority of them are very articulate in their posts, often writing much more precisely than the "average" US citizen. For them, since they have learned English quite often in their school system, it is actually much harder for them to understand "slang" and improperly written English since what they are used to is VERY properly written. Thus, you are actually working against your own argument!

Anyway, as long as you obey the rules, you can write your messages in any manner that you wish. However, don't get your "dander up" when people criticize your spelling, juxtipositions, grammar, punctuation, and capitalization. Those, when taken in the context of trying to help you improve your image, are not personal attacks. But, since you have no regard for your personal image, the suggestions offered should not bother you at all.

Glen, K9STH

kg6nus

11-28-2002, 04:42 AM

how did I go off on a tangent when i wasnt even the one that brought this crap up? and no, i honestly dont care about how my personal image looks to any of you people. im never going to see you, im never going to work for you, im never going to marry your daughter, im never going to sell you anything. eventually i might talk with hf at some point down the road, and at that point i wont be caring about my grammar and punctualization either, even if for some god knows what reason i was using cw.

if you think im the one that went off on a "tangent" in this thread, i think you need to re-read it to see who brought this up first because it sure wasnt me.

AD5CA

11-28-2002, 06:17 AM

Hello nus,
#I am sure Glen is happy you aren't planning to marry his daughter. #If you were I am sure he would be asking you questions like how many different colors your hair is, or how many extra holes you have in your body that weren't there when you were born.
#You need to give this one up, and maybe respect the opinions of the guys that have been around awhile.
#Mark # AD5CA

kg6nus

11-28-2002, 07:33 AM

ummm, i dont care how much longer you've "been around" than me. my opinion doesnt mean any less than yours. you dont want me to say i dont like your opinion, then dont say you dont like mine. opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one whether you want to smell it or not

and as far as my hair color, same natural dark brown it's always been, and i have my left ear peirced with a stud like i have had since i think the third grade, might have been fourth. so what's your point? if you're trying to say you can judge me based upon my "internet appearance" that for some reason some people seem to treasure as if it actually matters in a non professional environment, is it ok if i assume you're a dumb redneck from texas that cant go 10 minutes without screaming "YEEHAW!" and wear a 10 gallon hat while walking as if you had a flag pole up your butt in cowboy boots who sits at home all day with nothing to do besides stare at cattle out of his window and try to make himself feel superior over the internet? no, you probably wouldnt appreciate that. i could make that assumption, but to do so would be silly. if you dont want me to make idiotic comments about you, dont make them about me. pretty simple as far as im concerned. it's the same as thinking some guy with long hair is a hippie without actually bothering to talk to them first.

appearances on the internet mean zlich.

you want respect? i dont recall any disrespect in my original post here. dont disrespect me, and i have no reason to disrespect you. i dont care if you're 5 years old or 50.

W8FAX

11-28-2002, 11:49 AM

Who's the DX?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif?

KB9YKY

11-28-2002, 11:52 AM

To summarize young NUSsy. "i dont wanna-tah", "i'm not gonna-tah", "why should i", "i dont hafta".

w8ob

11-28-2002, 12:12 PM

I am going to report the troll who started this to the A.S.P.C.A. for the continued beating of a dead horse. The rest of the crybabys I am going to report to my good ole first grade teacher, who with the help of a whipping switch and a sniff knuckle breaking ruler taught us the world does not revolve around us and if we want something we have to work to earn it. Give it up Morse is here to stay at least as long as enough of us so called old farts are still alive. Maybe in another 10-15 years you guys can have your way. I sure as hell would be working on learning morse in the meantime so I could get in on the fun of HF comms. Happy holidays to all the real radiomen out there from.
The official registered old fart.

w3sy

11-28-2002, 03:43 PM

"...and as far as my hair color, same natural dark brown it's always been, and i have my left ear peirced with a stud like i have had since i think the third grade, might have been fourth."

Ummmmm... okay. Third grade doodz with earrings... I hope your 'rents made you wait until AT LEAST 5th grade before getting the tattoo.

(shuddering...)

Hey, we will never solve the "morse or no morse" question, at least not here on QRZ.COM. I just think we need a little less of the "I'm a revolutionary because I got a license without having to learn code" attitude. #

Regardless of who or where you are, be proud of your license, use it with respect, always work to improve your technical and operating skills, and help other hams.

Out.

kg6nus

11-28-2002, 04:13 PM

yea, i have an earring, so what? i also had neon shirts and a skateboard. did you completely miss the 80's or something? did you get standard issue suspenders with that flannel that you have stashed away somewhere? i mean what kind of little podunk hillbilly town out in the middle of nowhere do you live in that the concept of a boy getting their ear peirced in the 80's is such a shock?

and now that i think about it, it was the 4th grade. and if you must know it was my usually uptight conservative grandmother that took me down to the mall to get my ear peirced, not my mom or dad. she had enough sense to realize that just because she's an old fart and kids didnt do that when she was that age at the time, that things change. something a lot of you obviously need to learn to accept.

besides, you think one simple stud earring is "shocking"? you should see some of the people with a half dozen peircings on their face apart from their ears with 4 different hair colors that have managed to land jobs that pay 150K a year. some hr managers somewhere realized that it doesnt matter if someone has any peircings or whatever because that has absolutely no direct relation to their actual attitude or personality.

btw, if you want a real shocker, at one point i had a 3 inch flat top with the sides shaved so you could see my scalp *GASP*!

and you old farts cant figure out why us "younger" people dont appreciate the crap you give us? well excuse me if i dont use a half ounce of pomade to plaster my hair back against my head, wear long sleeved shirts, a sport coat, slacks, suspenders, and tie while driving a '65 lincoln quietly playing patsy cline on the radio as i drive 5mph under the speed limit(and no i dont speed either) to go get groceries or make a deposit at the bank.

and yes, it wont be solved here, and yes attitude needs to be dropped. fbut it's a two way street, people also need to drop the "i learned code so im superior" attitude as well(once again, i never said i wasnt going to eventually learn code to pass the test, yet for some reason a lot of people keep assuming this)

quite frankly if i had it my way, you would all need to be lciensed operators to use the internet, and there would be a lot more to the exams than a 35 or 50 question multiple choice test involved. i dont go around pissing and moaning that i have computer industry certifications and how i can name 4 protocols besides tcp/ip, 3 routing protocols, how to configure and use them, and what all 7 layers of the osi reference model are and how they relate to networking hardware, protocols, and applications while any idiot can go buy a dell and sign up for aol and be online within 2 hours of getting home and not understanding even the basic concepts of how any of it works. why? because i dont have a superiority complex that entices me to do that.

there's a big difference between being proud of something, and being an ass about it. as old and wise as some of you think you are, a few of you have a lot to learn in terms of what an attitude is, and what respect means, and when it is, and is not given.

AC7UX

11-28-2002, 04:32 PM

more code/no-code crap. thank you ARRL once again for screwing amateur radio into the ground. having the no-code class license has done more harm then good. all it has bred is whinners and foot stampers. when the FCC sends the no-coder his cracker-jack license, a box of crying towels should be included.

K9STH

11-28-2002, 05:07 PM

Everybody COOL IT! Just like every other thread on the code / no code, this one has become nothing but a series of name calling and personal attacks. That goes for everyone. If I have to I'll shut this one down. I don't want to, but so far I have had to lock down almost every code / no code thread that has come up on the site.

The topic isn't beating a dead horse anymore, the horse is long gone (decayed into dust) and people are still stirring the dust. There hasn't been an original thought posted on the subject in years! Everything is a rehashing of what has been said before. If it were not for the policies of the owner of QRZ.com I think that I would lock down every code / no code thread that comes up and put the person who brings up the subject in "Limbo" for a month or two (temporarily ban them from the site!).

Anyway, enough is enough!

Glen, K9STH
One of the QRZ.com moderators

AC7UX

11-28-2002, 05:21 PM

I don't know whats worse, all the no-code posts or the constant threats of being banned for an opinion.

kg6nus

11-28-2002, 05:33 PM

threat for having an opinion? looks like threat for being an ass to me. an opinion doesnt require talking the amount of crap you did. both sides of the argument need to calm down whether they realize it or not.

AC7UX

11-28-2002, 06:02 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">threat for having an opinion? looks like threat for being an ass to me. an opinion doesnt require talking the amount of crap you did. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'> HUH? did I besmirch you in a past life? I don't recall bagging on anyone here in a long time. Enlightenment is needed young Chanun, in the words of the infamous bank robber in dirty harry, "I gots'ta know."

ai4ep

11-28-2002, 06:32 PM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif i hope some of your folks do NOT act this way while on the air or in person....shucks i have seen agruing 5 year old act better....sure I am a NO CODE TECH, but there is no need in acting like this in a PUBLIC forum, that folks from all around the world can access and get their information about amateur radio from. There is no telling how many folks are reading this forum messages and getting a NEGATIVE opinion about U S A, amateur radio, and no telling what else. #Thanks for the opportunity to say this. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

K9STH

11-28-2002, 08:03 PM

For UX:

The "threats of banning" are not for having an opinion but for how that particular opinion is expressed. As I have said (actually "written") numerous times, it is definitely possible to get you opinion across without profanity, obscenities, or personal attacks. It it those three things that WILL get you banned from QRZ.com. Also, I was being sarcastic about banning someone from bringing up the subject of code / no code. However, from the private E-Mails that I get on these threads, I think that a majority of persons who participate on the site wouldn't mind such an action!

Glen, K9STH
One of the QRZ.com moderators

w3sy

11-29-2002, 12:26 AM

Bravo, KG6NUS.

Nice tantrum!

I'm still laughing.

Now go to your room.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Yah, I've seen the multiple facial piercings. I've always wanted to hook up some 450 ohm ladder line to some Pierced Punk's face, pump a kilowatt into it and see how well it loads up on 20 meters. (You know 20 meters...? 14 MHz? That's one of those bands we have not heard you on just yet. After your upgrade, can I be your first QSO there?)

If/When you make it to adulthood, son, you will find something or other about young kids to be silly, disgusting, or repulsive. Just wait. We were ALL young snot-noses at one time or another, so I know how you feel. No hard feelings here.

But earrings.... that's kind of a girly thing, right?

kg6nus

11-29-2002, 01:31 AM

girly thing? you've never seen a picture of a pirate? how about the guy on the mr clean bottle? those are some examples you should remember from your childhood a long time ago in a log cabin far far away.

yea, i know what 20m is. your point?

so you want to execute someone simply because of how they look? and me "throwing a tantrum", which was more like defending my opinions against a bunch of ignorant old farts is less mature than judging someone by a facial peircing or a tatoo? i dont think so. that's the kind of retarded thinking that's gotten the US stuck in this mess with foreign countries these days.

besides, i can at least admit to making snide comments, instead of just hiding behind some little badge of superiority stating that you are capable of communicating using a method that the average person will never use at 20wpm because they have no use for it, as if you're so important that somehow gives you the right to berate people for no apparent reason other than you're older

KD5UJZ

11-29-2002, 01:41 AM

Wizdom is gained through knowlege, not age. This was taught to me by w1htp, who should be 81 this year.

AC7UX

11-29-2002, 01:53 AM

crying towels, crying towels all the way around. your too young, your to old, your stupid, your to smart, no more code, long live the code, your a tech weenie, your a extra ol' fart! day in day out the tears flow the teeth gnash. long live the cult of the dead horse!

KD5UJZ

11-29-2002, 02:08 AM

Any relation to cult of the dead cow?

AD5CA

11-29-2002, 04:11 AM

YEEEEEEHAW!!!!
'scuse me while I go kiss my horse and saddle the wife....

PS. The boy with all the different color hair??? I had sex with a peacock once, maybe he's my boy!

Mark AD5CA

KD5UJZ

11-29-2002, 04:21 AM

Sex with a peacock? Now that is Hilarious. By the way, cult of the dead cow is a semi-popular computer information security firm, such to the point that they have testified before congress on new internet crime legistlation. I ment that as a humors remark that kg6nus and possibly others would understand.

w3sy

11-29-2002, 04:40 AM

I'm really dying laughing here at KG6NUS.... I LOVE this kid! He's every bit the snot-nose I was at his age.... Contempt for anyone over thirty.... the whole package!

Which implies, Skippy, that you will probably be a lot like I am when you get to be my age. Haw! Just you wait, 'Enry 'Iggins, just you wait! HAW!!!

Anyway, let's examine your latest sullen diatribe:

"girly thing? you've never seen a picture of a pirate? how about the guy on the mr clean bottle?"

Not that there's anything "wrong" with that, but they look just a weeeee bit fruity to ME. But if that's the look you're goin' for, have at it! Then, SHIVER ME TIMBERS, ye can swab the deck (with Mister Clean, or course -- just don't sniff it any more) and walk th' plank all in the same day! Avast me hardies!

"those are some examples you should remember from your childhood a long time ago in a log cabin far far away."

Indeed! We had a family of earring-wearing pirates living in the log cabin next to us. And I'm pretty sure they used Mister Clean too! You must be, like, totally psychic. Like OMIGAWD!

"yea, i know what 20m is. your point?"

Oh, sorry you didn't understand. I'll type slower this time: I'll see you on 20 meters when you qualify. In fact, I'll be the first to welcome you there, be your 1st QSO, and even send you a QSL. Of course, my QSLs are chisled on little stone pyramids, due to my age, but a QSL is a QSL. I have confidence in a smart-as-a-whip lad such as yourself. I was an Advanced at age 13, and could already copy 30+ wpm then. That's the thing about code -- At a young age, your language acquisition skills are still strong, and Morse Code is learned just as a new language is. Geriatrics of my current age often have a legitimate complaint about finding code hard to learn. Younger folk have no excuse. Mentally, you're in your prime for such things. I learned code at an early age, so it's no mystery why I got good at it. YOU can do the same. It's all a matter of motivation. Got any?

"so you want to execute someone simply because of how they look?"

Yes! Whoops, I mean no! My young pirate lad, you can't take everything so literally. Don't be so gullible -- know when your leg is being pulled. Read my lips: The quip about using a person's facial piercings as an antenna was a JOKE.

Besides, the individual wouldn't be an antenna, per se. He'd be more of a dummy load. #Badda bing.

"... and me "throwing a tantrum", which was more like defending my opinions against a bunch of ignorant old farts is less mature than judging someone by a facial peircing or a tatoo? i dont think so. that's the kind of retarded thinking that's gotten the US stuck in this mess with foreign countries these days."

Oh, is it? Really? It's hard to tell that Osama HAS an earring. He must hide it well under that turban. #And his flowing robes hide all his tattoos. And I hear that Saddam Hussein used to have purple hair and ride a skateboard. HAW! #I really do love this -- You have EXACTLY the same contempt for those older and smarter than yourself that I did as a teenager. You have great potential, m'boy!

"besides, i can at least admit to making snide comments, instead of just hiding behind some little badge of superiority stating that you are capable of communicating using a method that the average person will never use at 20wpm because they have no use for it..."

Nah, now you are mistaken. You may not be aware of this, but I have said that I have no major problem with the 5 WPM ceiling on code testing, as long as the multiple "guess" code test is replaced with something else. (It was.) I think at 5 WPM, a ham has the ability to get on the air and use CW if he chooses, and will improve sufficiently with on-air practice.

As for that magical 5 WPM plateau, I have another theory -- When you have learned every letter of the alphabet and every required special character TO THE POINT WHERE YOU CAN IDENTIFY EACH WITHOUT A CHEAT SHEET, you are fully able to copy 5 WPM. That's all you have to do! I'm serious. And as a young guy, your ability to acquire that skill is very, very high. Wasting such potential is a sad thing.

"as if you're so important that somehow gives you the right to berate people for no apparent reason other than you're older"

Well, I'm truly (...being sincere here...) sorry if you feel I have berated you. Oh, I've played along with your hot tempered diatribe a bit, and I've yanked your chain a LOT, but I do not mean to berate you. I don't mind the references you make to my age (I'm all of 45), and find them mildly amusing. I will say that I've helped many beginning hams, young like you and old like me, with whatever they wanted help with. It just saddens me to hear a young person say (or even IMPLY) things like "I can't, I won't, I don't wanna." I've read your posts and I see a lot of that coming from you. I know I can't change you, but I want you to consider your potential and do your best.

Code tests are still "the law of the land," big guy. Sorry. And if you ever want help, there are a LOT of us old farts who will do our damndest for you. No lie.

73,
Steve W3SY

AC7UX

11-29-2002, 07:35 AM

Damn steve, this poor kids gonna blow a gasket by the time your done with'em. nuthin left but a pile of nipple rings and bolts.

M3TMC

11-29-2002, 11:52 AM

Steve W3SY.

Hi Steve,
# # # # # #I would like to have a QSO with you. Lets say 20m (14 .245.00) between 5/7pm US Easten time. I will listern for you. Sorry you will not be my first as i have worked every State in the USA and have a box full of QSL cards from the States. Infact my Cushcraft A3s, at 20m high, #faces NE for 2 hours of the day and the other 22 it faces West becase i enjoy the company of Americans. I spend 8/12 weeks a year in GA and know that most Americans are good friendly people.

This will all be done without me having to have morse under my belt because i dont need morse to use 20m with a foundation license (I also hold a Novice license).
Most Foundation license holders have passed the RAE and hold a Full class B license but are not allowed on HF because of the morse. This is wrong. Let me tell you why i think it so without you slagging my writing skills! (As i have a large PC store in the UK and earn enough money it hasnt held me back as yet)

The RAE exam can be passed without any math skills at all. This is because the biggest percentage of the score is not in this area.
Licensing conditions (Read them enough and they will sink in)this part will get you big scores.
Operating procedures and practices (as above read and it will sink in)
Transmitter interference (Learn about Harmonics,key clicks, chirps , over modulation ect and you have this part of the exam cracked)

Electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) (Learn about filters will be enough)

Concentrate on this lot and you have it cracked. The averages of multiple choice will do the rest.
Between 45/55% will get you a pass.

CW will not teach me any of the important points in Amateur radio. Transmiting in the right part of the band. Not interfering with others in and out of the Amateur band plan. Safety. All it has done is teach me another mode of communication. Key click and chirps around #tell me that some people on CW need to learn more about stopping there interference.
You can pull apart this post but i will pass the RAE as i hit a constant 71% + score and that tell me i know enough to get a RAE pass.

Last of all. As i am dyslexic , (mirror vision) i think i have done well for myself in life. I have a PC store doing well and all mine no partners. I also have a large collection of A level exams seven in total. Two kids ( 9 and 13 years old and both hold a foundation license ) and a partner (Female) of 15 years. In my 35 years i offten come across people who like to think they are better than others because they have a good education. I am well educated i just have to work harder at it because i dont see letters and numbers the same way as you. No big deal i get there in the end!
So maybe next time you slag people off for the way they spell then you might think that that person may have a problem with spelling and might not be able to articulate as well as you when it comes to writing it down. It takes me some time to write things down and i always get it wrong. Id like to think you would still be where you are in life if you had the same problems with reading and writing.

No i wasnt offended by your comments, more dissapointed that a highly educated man didnt think before he used his education to try belittle another QRZ user.

Im not perfect !

Steve.........neither are you perfect! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Isnt talk and opinions fun?

W5ATX

11-29-2002, 01:02 PM

Well, I've held my tongue on this one long enough . . .

If M3TMC is accurate in his portrayal of the written exam for the license he has, perhaps it's ok. If it is as I interpret his words, it is a substantial test on some technical stuff REAL hams need to know.

As I've posted in other threads in the past, when the debate over no-code was raging, a certain organisation in Connecticut "convinced" us that the lack of a code test would be replaced by a "comprehensive" threory exam. That was all well and good, except that they lied. (Read the Q&A threads here if you don't believe me.)

I really don't care if code is a requirement or not anymore. All I care is that they don't GIVE licenses away, as it seems they're doing now. It's a fact folks, and Thomas Paine recognised it back when the English were our enemies: nothing worth having is free. We get what we pay for. The quote Mr Paine directly, he said "What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly." I think the eleven meter band is incontrovertible proof of that. And the two meter band in some places is on the way in the same handbasket.

As for NUS, I'm enjoying him too. He is better at hitting a few soft spots than I think I was as a kid, but I'm with Steve, he does remind me of myself. The difference is though, I didn't get so wound up about things, I just dealt with them. I had to learn the code, and as a novice in the mid 70s, I had no choice but to use it if I wanted to get on the air. A funny thing happened one day - I realised I'd been forced to use it, had gotten fairly good at it, and enjoyed it. I had just turned 14 when I passed my General - and the code test was 13wpm then. At 16 I got my Extra - at 20wpm, not the easiest written test, and not with a VEC either. (That's right, they won't be calling ME in for a retest . . . )

So you see, it can be done. It's a matter of acceptance. If you want to do it, just do it. The time you spend here complaining could be better spent actually EARNING that license you want so badly. (And we know you want it. Go GET IT! Prove us wrong, learn and pass the code, accept it. Or wait until FCC and ITU get around the changing the requirement. Sad thing is, you'll have more fun on the air than you'll have waiting.)

Seriously, if you want help, ask. We were all beginners once upon a time. I for one, along with Steve and Harry, will help you. If you were local, I'd have you to my house and teach you the code if you wanted. I had help, you can have help. It's how we hams are. But you have to be ready.

Oh and yes, I'm old too. Age 41 and hamming almost 30 years. Yep, that makes me old. Ask my kids.

73 and good luck,

Chris

kg6nus

11-29-2002, 03:11 PM

blow a gasket? i'm not going to waste my time on the idiot. plain and simple. he claims i have some issue with contempt for anyone over 30? hardly. he just doesnt want to admit the reason i have a problem with people such as him is due to their paranoid elitism. if i had contempt for people over 30 i never would have made it out of highschool, oh wait, some of you are too ignorant to realize this

w8ob

11-29-2002, 04:51 PM

I don't want to pick a nit so to speak, but please explain to all of us what the deal is with earrings and tat's. We used to get drunk usually in the service and wake up with a tat or two. Do you boys of today get them to look like a bad dude, or is this a fashion statement? I have had 3 children and none of them wanted earings, tongue piercing, rainbow hair or tats. I used to be full of pee and vinegar and do some really dumb things. Remember the dumb things you do or have did follow you the rest of your life. The good ones are quickly forgotten

K6UEY

11-29-2002, 07:11 PM

As some one who is proud to have acquired the status of "OF" I have to ask the question this belligerence that US so proudly displays is this a puton to get attention or is he really serious about this attitude,and if so is this typical of the youth of today. I am aware of the extremely poor educational system in place in this country and the fact that discipline is no longer taught in schools or at home but if this is to be the behavior of future Ham Radio maybe it would be better to let it have it's demise under Honorable circumstances now than go down with the fate that CB has taken.

ENJOY!!!(while it lasts ) Life is too short for QRP....73, #ORV

kg6nus

11-29-2002, 07:26 PM

as far as facial lip and nose pericings and dyed hair i dont know, or care. i got an earring when it was "hip" if you will, and at any time i can take it out and no one notices there's a hole. hell, most people dont even notice i have an earring. probably because no one cares? but at any rate it isnt like a tatoo. if i ever felt like it, i could just leave it out for 2 weeks, the hole would close up, and no one would ever know i had my ear peirced. why do some men wear rings(other than wedding bands)and necklaces? how about tie-bars and cufflinks? i have quite a large collection of those. they're jewelry that i choose whether or not i feel like wearing. it isnt like i got a tatoo on the side of my head

why do some people have long hair? i dont know. i dont care, it isnt permanent and they can change it anytime they want. do you think they all do it because it makes them look like a "bad dude"? or a fashion statement? they do it because they felt like it. sure, the bulk of them are just obviously trying to fit in with the crap they see on mtv, but not all of them are.

answer this for me. why do so many old men wear suspenders? there's more material to them than a belt, they're more restrictive for range of movement, they stand out over your shirt instead of just being a belt around your waist. seems to be nothing more than a fashion choice to me, i think it loosk ridiculous. do i get amazed when i see an old man wearing suspenders? no.

i mean hell, aside from the average ham radio operator being old, the average ham radio operator in the us is also white. are you guys going to freak out if i say im black? oh no, a young black man, the exact opposite of the typical ham radio operator has joined your kind, run and hide!

M3TMC

11-29-2002, 07:26 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W5ATX @ Nov. 29 2002,06:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If M3TMC is accurate in his portrayal of the written exam for the license he has, perhaps it's ok. #If it is as I interpret his words, it is a substantial test on some technical stuff REAL hams need to know. #[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Let me make it clear the exam i was talking about was the RAE exam and not the M3 Foundation exam (If you can call it that) It is for the full class A license (with 5wpm morse at the moment)

I do believe the UK "full" license exam has more to it than the US equivilent. Ours consist of 80 questions over two and a quarter hours.

What no responce Steve!?!

w3sy

11-29-2002, 09:28 PM

Hello M3TMC,

Sorry for the lack of response until now... I visit QRZ.COM often, but I don't LIVE here, as does Young Mister KG6NUS.

I really have no personal axe to grind with you, and am very happy that you are enjoying hamming on HF. I am pleasantly surprised to hear about your operating achievements, QSLs etc, and I hope you keep it up.

That's all that really matters.

As for Mister Raging Hormones himself, KG6NUS, he said:

"blow a gasket? i'm not going to waste my time on the idiot. plain and simple."

Hard to believe such a statement. After any of us speak to or about him, seems not much time goes by before he launched another lengthy, emotional reply. 'Splain THAT one, Gnarly Dood.

"... he claims i have some issue with contempt for anyone over 30? hardly. he just doesnt want to admit the reason i have a problem with people such as him is due to their paranoid elitism."

Oh, come now m'lad. You can't kid a kidder. I know what you are all about. When I was a snotty teenager (as you are at the moment), I thought all the OF's were stupid, and often ridiculed them. I ridiculed their "old fashioned" morals, their clothing choices, their apparent lack of acceptance of young people.... need I go on? Does any of this sound familiar? From generation to generation to generation, what goes around comes around. If your elders and betters allow you to survive to adulthood, you will see what I mean. I know that in the mean time I am wasting my breath trying to explain all this to you.

"... if i had contempt for people over 30 i never would have made it out of highschool, oh wait, some of you are too ignorant to realize this"

I MUST be ignorant... You are out of high school? I did not realize that. I thought you were, oh, about 15. Were you expelled?

Anyway, my biggest disappointment with you at the moment is the fact that you did not realize that I was trying to be nice to you, in fact somewhat complimentary, in my last post. Too bad that you are so bent on raging at us that you did not realize that.

Finally, you gave us this interesting tidbit:

"i mean hell, aside from the average ham radio operator being old, the average ham radio operator in the us is also white. are you guys going to freak out if i say im black? oh no, a young black man, the exact opposite of the typical ham radio operator has joined your kind, run and hide!"

Are you? On the contrary -- in ham radio, it does not matter if you are green with orange stripes and purple polka dots. Why are most hams in the USA white? Damned if I know. I think that's unfortunate. Certainly, nothing, and I repeat NOTHING has ever been done to discourage any racial or ethnic group from joining and participating in hamming.

Your last statement was unfortunate. All along, you have accused us of various flavors of paranoia. Yet in the end, it appears the only paranoid individual is you.

Get over yourself.

Out.

W1RFI

11-29-2002, 09:41 PM

<As I've posted in other threads in the past, when the debate over no-code was raging, a certain organisation in Connecticut "convinced" us that the lack of a code test would be replaced by a "comprehensive" threory exam. That was all well and good, except that they lied. (Read the Q&A threads here if you don't believe me.) >

I wonder if you can cite where ARRL "convinced" you that the lack of a code test would be replaced by a comprehensive theory exam. ARRL never tried to convince me. It did file its comments with the FCC wrt restructuring, asking that the content of the written exams be increased to offset any changes in code testing.

Seeing how much you read into others' posts here, I can see how you could have read your agenda into ARRL's actions, but I don't believe you should hold ARRL accountable for what you imagine they said.

73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI

W1RFI

11-29-2002, 09:45 PM

<Chris does have a point though -- Even a woodpecker COULD pass the code "tests" they give these days. HAW!!!!>

When the code test was first implemented for amateur radio, it was mighty important because code was the only form of radio in existance at the time.

The code speed for that test was 5 wpm... :-)

73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI

W1RFI

11-29-2002, 09:54 PM

<ANYWAY, SOON MORSE WILL BE GONE AND THE REST OF THE WORLD WILL FOLLOW.>

Of course Morse won't be gone. I wouldn't be surprised to see Morse-code testing in the amateur radio service no longer be a matter of international treaty, but that is a matter of tests, not of use.

Every single thing that is good about Morse code before they changed the US code speed is still good about Morse code -- it is still a uniquely simple mode that can be easily implemented under adverse conditions. Most digital modulation methods are a bit more robust, but they require a lot more complexity than a simple oscillator and associated receiver.

Morse code and homebrewing are naturals, with Morse rigs being easy -- and cheap -- to build.

The list could go on, but keep in mind that, a few trolls notwithstanding, most of the discussions about Morse code are really about Morse code testing.

The OOK CW mode will continue alive and well as long as this OT is still kicking. I know where my microphone is, but I don't know if it works. :-)

73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI

W1RFI

11-29-2002, 09:59 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kg6nus @ Nov. 26 2002,12:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> yea, i wonder that myself. and aside from 6 year olds with general class licenses, how many actually use it? only reason i even mentioned people this young, was that the cram methods currently being used are too easy, which is the real problem.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Do you think that the cramming of over 350 questions in the Tech pool is easier than my reading and rereading the 4 pages of ARRL Novice study guide I studied to enter ham radio in 1963?

73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI

W1RFI

11-29-2002, 10:04 PM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif0--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kg6nus @ Nov. 26 2002,15http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif0)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">and im not going to take the extra effort to do so if i dont have to, because it holds absolutely no value to me whether i do or not because i dont care if some guy on the internet doesnt like that i dont captilize every "i."[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
If you don't care about the content of your posts, you shouldn't expect others to care about what you say, either. #

Without proper capitalization, your posts are harder to read and more easily misunderstood. I can only presume that you aware that your style detracts quite a bit from the impact and effectiveness of your words. #

It does help people to make the decision about how seriously they are going to take what you have to say.

73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI

W1RFI

11-29-2002, 10:06 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w1pmc @ Nov. 26 2002,15:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sure we all have opinions, but you don't need to be a jerk if you disagree with somebody else.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Agreed wholeheartedly, but it is also very easy for someone to misread ill intent where none exists. I have been absolutely amazed on more than one occasion how someone felt what I believed to be an innocent comment was a personal attack.

It also helps a lot to try to take the best possible interpretation of others' posts. In most cases, the folks on the other end are a lot nicer than stark words on a screen can possibly convey.

73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI

W1RFI

11-29-2002, 10:09 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w3sy @ Nov. 26 2002,15:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ah, yes. The Foundation License. I saw a discussion thread on that right here on QRZ.COM. There was some spirited discussion on that topic. I reserved judgment until I was able to see what type of operator and what type of individual would seek that license. Now that I know, I'm not too terribly impressed. Nothing personal, old chappie.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Are you basing your perception of the type of people who seek the class of license on a sample of 1? Not a statistically valid sample size, I would wager. :-)

73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI

kg6nus

11-29-2002, 10:25 PM

i dont know what the content of the exam you took in 1963 was, nor do i care since that's completely irrelevant.

i dont care about the content of my posts? the content of my posts is exactly the same whether i capitalize words or not. i suggest you go learn what content is in regards to written works. i expect others to care, as if they dont? well you seem to care dont you? and unless you need some glasses, or your screen resolution is too high, or you have some weird font set in your browser. text is text and no matter how it's capitalized, it's just as readable as any other text. like i said, i dont care if you have an eyesight problem and need A BIG HUGE CAPITAL LETTER TO INDICATE THE START OF A NEW SENTENCE WHEN WE HAVE THIS THING CALLED PUNCTUATION TO DENOTE THE END OF A SENTENCE.

if capitalization on a forum on the internet is a weiging factor in deciding who and what to take seriously, you got some problems of your own. that's the equivalent of not listening to someone because they said "y'all" or "aint"

w3sy... once again, the perfect example of an old fart who cant get over himself thinking that since he's got more wrinkles on his ass than a shirt in a hamper for dirty laundry, he's wise and intelligent.

you know me? i dont think so.

emotional replies? wow. first my replies are incoherent and poorly written, now i have the literary ability to deeply convey emotions in my work without even trying? damn, i guess i could be the next shakespeare.

my last statement was unfortunate? no, it was the truth. what is paranoid about that? the majority of ham radio operators in the us are a bunch of old white males. im a young black male. you old white males seem to have problems with the fact that i've entered some mystical domain that only old people should be allowed to delve into. thankfully i know that not many hams are as bad as you people.

this is cute, first you're allowed to insult me simply because im younger. then i'm not allowed to defend myself without being insulted once again and being accused of having contempt for people over the age of thirty. then when i take the tiem to stoop to the level of some of you rattling off comments just as idiotic and senseless, it's still different because even though it's the same bs as yours, you're older so you're allowed? then when i just make a short and to the point statement now i have raging horomones and can convey emotion with 2 lines?

well excuse my "raging horomones", at least i know i dont need viagra pal.

next you or someone else is going to come back with some long and drawn out comment trying to once again attack me with your "right as an older person", and then take snippets from my posts and distort them for your own version fo what you think i meant, because you were incapable of grasping simple ideas and concepts.

so what's paranoid? telling the truth based from observations of a relatively small group of users here as i see fit? or is interpreting responses from people in my own fashion, whether i distort them or not simply another priveledge of being old?

and snotty teenager? your memory must be faltering, ebcause as i've said im in my 20's. sine i'm under no obligation to give you my date of birth, i wont. however you can apparently draw some conclusion as if you've seen every post of mine. well obviously you havent because i've said more than once i'm in my 20's and long out of high school. if you really want to play the age guessing game, if it wasnt for the fact that the bulk of you are old men, i could easily mistake you for a 12 year old due to the immaturity and selfishness you have displayed. typical attributes one expects and sees in the average 12 year old using the internet these days.

M3TMC

11-29-2002, 10:37 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W1RFI @ Nov. 29 2002,14:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><ANYWAY, SOON MORSE WILL BE GONE AND THE REST OF THE WORLD WILL FOLLOW.>

Of course Morse won't be gone. I wouldn't be surprised to see Morse-code testing in the amateur radio service no longer be a matter of international treaty, but that is a matter of tests, not of use.

Every single thing that is good about Morse code before they changed the US code speed is still good about Morse code -- it is still a uniquely simple mode that can be easily implemented under adverse conditions. #Most digital modulation methods are a bit more robust, but they require a lot more complexity than a simple oscillator and associated receiver.

Morse code and homebrewing are naturals, with Morse rigs being easy -- and cheap -- to build.

The list could go on, but keep in mind that, a few trolls notwithstanding, most of the discussions about Morse code are really about Morse code testing. #

The OOK CW mode will continue alive and well as long as this OT is still kicking. #I know where my microphone is, but I don't know if it works. :-)

73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I was on about morse as part of the license and not as a mode of comunication. Yes it is here to stay but not as a requirment of the Class A license. Soon it will be dropped, and then the world will follow.

Its going to happen, its already started just wait and see.

W1RFI

11-29-2002, 11:12 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (M3TMC @ Nov. 28 2002,16:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Its going to happen, its already started just wait and see.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I don't have to wait. My license gives me all amateur privileges. Any future changes in Morse code testing will not affect those privileges.

But from the looks of things, folks can either join the fun now or wait. I chose not to wait. :-)

73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI

AC7UX

11-29-2002, 11:23 PM

Damn, don't this kid ever stop crying? can life be that bad for this clown? in the ol' days each town had it's own town crier. QRZ has it's own post crier. the posting pansy.

M3TMC

11-29-2002, 11:34 PM

I have 12 wpm CW. Stroll in the park! No big deal! I didnt need it because i will never use CW and it will not help me test my Set for harmonics or help me filter up next doors TV if they get problems from me. It wont even help me with putting up a center fed dipole!! All CW has done is teach me another mode i wont ever use!!!!!
GET IT!!

Its got no use to me and wont help me with EMC problems if they arise! So what good is CW apart from a die hard mode?

M3TMC

11-29-2002, 11:38 PM

AC7UX:

I have a 9 year old and a 12 year old daughter who are licensed. They also use and read posts on QRZ.com M3JLT my youngest is a registered user. Do we have to see your rude ICON? It is offencive to them!!!

AC7UX

11-30-2002, 12:00 AM

CRY for me!!

w0dz

11-30-2002, 12:07 AM

Where are these icons to which you refer? I see none.

I tried clicking on "Profile" on one of AC7UX's posts, and after four tries, it finally displayed AC7UX's data. The first few tries were intermixed with other people's calls but with AC7UX's website address. Very odd.

If you want to be offended, go to his website. However, he misspelled the URL, so you will have to fix his spelling error before you will actually go there. (He spelled Yaesu wrong).

AC7UX

11-30-2002, 12:21 AM

what the hell you talking about DZ? their isn't any spelling problems there little buckaroo. Oh yes, my site has naked women, harley-davidsons. even got a pic of granny on her harley. and guess what! I even got a forum page where you can post what you want and not get banned!! wow, all that for free. I hope you are truly offended by what you see there. you see I don't live in your little world. I ride hogs, chase women, drink beer and live life here in the land of the free and home of the brave. Oh yes I also have an extra class license and talk world wide. So don't get your panties in a bunch boys, I might just be your next QSO.

AD5CA

11-30-2002, 12:51 AM

NUSsy, you are an angry young man!
#You totally missed Ed’s (W1RFI, a well known and respected ham) point, go read his post again and try to figure it out. #All things are relevant in a certain context, I am sure that it was relevant to your parents when they dropped you on your head and the doc said that you would never be normal.
#Find a little different way to present your opinions and views, and I can promise you they would be better received.
#However, if your goal is to alienate all the guys that could be your friends for life, keep on just like you are.
#Good luck,
#Mark # # AD5CA

kg6nus

11-30-2002, 01:11 AM

no, my goal was not to alienate myself. that occured when i made the mistake of not pretending i was at least middle aged.

crying? hardly. it's the exact same manner of posting as everyone else. you just have some cloest superiority complex. your whiny paranoid insulting posts are apparently "ok" because you're old. my posts which actually have some thought in them, which quite often make an obvious point which makes you look wrong so you choose to ignore it are "not ok" because im not old. pure and simple. you cant stand that someone probably at least half your age is capable of defending himself against your retarded comments, so you keep changing your direction of attack constantly, it's a pattern any idiot who didnt have his head up his ass could see

K6UEY

11-30-2002, 01:27 AM

How long is this psycho-babble going to persist??

K9STH

11-30-2002, 01:42 AM

What people choose to put on their personal websites is of NO concern to QRZ.com! I also have not seen any icons from AC7UX. QRZ.com operates primarily in the "G" to "PG" range using the movie code used in the United States. More in the "G" than upper "PG", since we do not allow real profanity which "PG" does. Also, QRZ.com does not allow obscenities or personal attacks.

What is profanity to a few persons is not profanity to the majority. A case in point happend to me personally about 12 years ago. I was operating on a local 2 meter repeater on my way to work one morning when I was transmitting and came upon a major accident. Without "thinking", I said something like "my God, look at that". No one thought anything of the transmission, at least no one in the round table. When I got to work, I received a telephone call from one of the trustees of the repeater threatening in no uncertain terms to have the FCC take away my license since I had said the word "God" on "his" repeater, as well as other not so complementary things about that particular transmission, like saying "my God" was taking the "Lord's name in vain"! On my way home, I was listening on the 440 MHz repeater operated by the same organization. I heard 2 of the repeater trustees making several illegal phone patches using the patch for business purposes. Not vaguely business, but outright business! Since that day I have not operated on either repeater operated by that local amateur radio club. Previous to that I had provided things like Heliax for the repeaters, came out late at night to assist the repeater technicians when they couldn't make the repairs to get it back on the air after a complete failure of the equipment (I owned for several years the company that maintained virtually all of the public safety and public utilities communications in the entire county), etc.

Thus, what one person thinks is profane may just not meet the criteria of being really profane. If profanity occurs on QRZ.com it will be edited and/or deleted and the person who made the post warned. But, just because one or two people think something is profane, it just may not meet the criteria of this site to be considered profane. If someone thinks that something is profane, contact me off thread with your concerns. I will take a l