View Full Version : Who is Obama ?
n2ize
06-05-2008, 07:04 AM
2 questions that need to be asked of Obama are...
1) Who are you ?
2) What do you do ?
Obama keeps telling critics about "those who know him". But how about the rest of the nation ? Who arer you Obama and what do you stand for ?
What does he do ? He is going to solve the health care crisis, bring all sides together, end the war, fight the war, make peace, make war, bring Jews and Palestinians together, solve all domestic problems but how ? How is he going to solve the problems in the inner cities. Rural communities, health care, tjhe war on drugs, the need for more jobs... he's coming from every direction at once. Mr Obama, what do you do ?
And, some progressives tout Obama as the man who will meet their wishes. Yet Obama has said he admires the leadership of Reagan and Bush senior. Doesn;t that conflict with the interests of most progressives ? I don't get it ?
This guy is too many things to too many people and all things to everyone and everything.
He needs to answer the 2 major questions that need to be resolved before giving anyone a job. Mr Obama
1) Who are you ?
2) What do you do ?
Karl Marx, another friend of Barry??
http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/06/obama_black_liberation_theolog_1.html
N9MOQ
06-05-2008, 01:05 PM
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G4ALA
06-05-2008, 01:07 PM
Oh!-Ye of little faith!!!!
He is anyone you might wish him to be and he can do anything that you might wish him to do. Walking on water comes $9.99 extra.
He appeals to hopes and aspirations. Every politician does the same. Republicans do the same. We, in the UK, also have more than our fair share of politicians of all flavours. We are nearly always disappointed with them. They arrive with approval and depart with intense dislike. They seldom deliver their promises, and if they do, it leaves a sense of apprehension and disappointment.
Politics is the art of the possible. To be all things to all men begs the question of what is possible. A limited subset is always all that is possible. Still the people hope. And still, someone has to do it, despite the problems. Perhaps the way for Americans to vote is to minimize the inevitable future sense of disappointment.
Vote wisely. Your American choice will have impacts far beyond your shores and expectations. The choice is yours alone, while we can only watch.
G4ALA
N9MOQ
06-05-2008, 01:56 PM
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WB3JLA
06-05-2008, 03:40 PM
Barrack HUSSEIN Obama
Is what they call in the southern states as a Pole Turtle Politician
You drive down a country lane and you see a Turtle sitting on a fence pole
1st It does not belong there
2nd It does not know what to do when it is up there
3rd Who in the hell put it up there
MY SIYE
http://www.geocities.com/insp/SUPRO6420.html
Looks like IZE is a little bitter that Shrillary lost.
Thank goodness we don't have to hear that cackle for the next four years!
AE6IP
06-05-2008, 04:40 PM
He is the junior senator from Illinois, who has written two books, given many speechs and has a short but public track record as a legislator. He is also the next president of the United States.
He is no miracle worker, but of the field of candidates on offer this term, he is clearly the best available choice. He has run a successful campaign for the Democratic nomination during which he has demonstrated organizational and fund raising skills, as well as class and grace under fire. He has made mistakes, but has dealt with them in a refreshingly straightforward way.
He is neither a savior nor the anti-christ. I expect no miracles from his administration, only that it will be better than what we've had in many terms and certainly better than what we would have under his opponent.
"Intellectual bankruptcy"
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/05/video-michelle-on-obamas-intellectual-bankruptcy/?print=1
He is the junior senator from Illinois, who has written two books, given many speechs and has a short but public track record as a legislator. He is also the next president of the United States.
He is no miracle worker, but of the field of candidates on offer this term, he is clearly the best available choice. He has run a successful campaign for the Democratic nomination during which he has demonstrated organizational and fund raising skills, as well as class and grace under fire. He has made mistakes, but has dealt with them in a refreshingly straightforward way.
He is neither a savior nor the anti-christ. I expect no miracles from his administration, only that it will be better than what we've had in many terms and certainly better than what we would have under his opponent.
Wow, you must be doing terribly in CA due to the last few administrations. BTW, I thought you were describing our current President. Silly me.
Thats right, who is Obama ?
1) Black (The media says so)
2) White (As much as black)
3) Mulatto (According to Webster)
The media and supporters choose "Black" when in reality and technically, he is Mulatto. With that definition, then he is as much "White" as he is "Black" and if elected President, he would be the first Mulatto to be President of the US, not the first black. Clinton was the first black President.
So yes, who is Barack Hussein Obama? I say he is a used car saleman.
K2WH
W3MIV
06-05-2008, 07:23 PM
I say he is a used car saleman.
And that still trumps being a racist swine.
And that still trumps being a racist swine.
Quit taking about Hillary and Bill that way!
n2ize
06-05-2008, 08:32 PM
[quote=K3XR;1244098]"Intellectual bankruptcy"
Perfect description of Michele Malkin.
N4VGB
06-05-2008, 08:43 PM
Obama is all things to all people. :rolleyes:
Yes, he's the great pretender....
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/wehner/9931/print
AE6IP
06-05-2008, 11:08 PM
Wow, you must be doing terribly in CA due to the last few administrations. BTW, I thought you were describing our current President. Silly me.
The whole world is doing terribly as a consequence of the current administration, and if you really did think that I was describing the president, please don't vote: the American electoral system only works with an informed electorate.
The whole world is doing terribly as a consequence of the current administration, and if you really did think that I was describing the president, please don't vote: the American electoral system only works with an informed electorate.
Oh yeah, blame the entire worlds problems on Bush. Ya know 3XR is right. Bush derangement syndrome is alive and well and you have a bad case of it.
K2WH
And that still trumps being a racist swine.
I agree. Racism has no place in this world. American citizens have selected a man for the top executive position in the world. The most powerful position in the world. I believe this demonstrates we are no longer a racist nation, have grown up and big Al and Jackson may have to find real work.
But the question remains. Who or what is Barack. Maybe a used car salesman was not the correct description. I say he is a crook.
K2WH
Big time LIB is ......well, a big time LIB.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-votes-the-party-line-more-than-mccain/print
KB9BVN
06-06-2008, 03:55 AM
Obama won't get my vote. He's too inexperienced, he has rhetoric galore but nothing in the way of actual plans, the world will abuse him like no other as they also recognize his level of inexperience.
When the McCain campaign starts talking about the 3AM phone call, and the sheer amount of legislative and military experience they have, and show Obama to be a still wet behind the ears rookie...America will start to think about it.
Obama is going to be so covered up in FUD, his voters will be too confused to even cast their ballot for him.
Maybe he ought to stay in congress and try it again around 2016, after he has some actual experience under his belt.
kf6rdn
06-06-2008, 03:57 AM
Why he's simply MAGIC!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvXz2xaLNMQ
AE6IP
06-06-2008, 04:14 AM
Oh yeah, blame the entire worlds problems on Bush. Ya know 3XR is right. Bush derangement syndrome is alive and well and you have a bad case of it.
Nice job of over-reacting to a comment. Bush's foray into the Middle East contributed to the instability in the world, and as such, it is fair to say that world is doing terribly as a result.
The world was doing poorly before Bush's stupidity. It is doing worse now. That's not blaming the entire world's problems on Bush. It's merely pointing out that he has hurt more than he has helped.
George W. Bush will be recorded by history as the worst president the United States has had to date; and he will be judged significantly worse than the previous fellows who held that role.
"Bush derangement syndrome" consists of not understanding just how much damage the man has done both to his country and his world.
George W. Bush will be recorded by history as the worst president the United States has had to date; and he will be judged significantly worse than the previous fellows who held that role.
"Bush derangement syndrome" consists of not understanding just how much damage the man has done both to his country and his world.
Can you say Jimmy Carter .
WB3JLA
06-06-2008, 11:53 AM
Does Michelle Obama’s Insightful Senior Thesis Play Race Card?
“My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my ‘blackness’ than ever before… I have found that at Princeton, no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my white professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don’t belong. Regardless of the circumstances underwhich I interact with whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be black first and a student second.”
Well good for you, Michelle, but while you were busy being “black first” at Princeton, John McCain was busy being tortured for his country in the war. This despite the fact that John McCain is 500 years older than you.
READ THE REST FOR YOUR SELF
http://wonkette.com/359907/does-michelle-obamas-insightful-senior-thesis-play-race-card
MY SITE
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Nice job of over-reacting to a comment. Bush's foray into the Middle East contributed to the instability in the world, and as such, it is fair to say that world is doing terribly as a result.
The world was doing poorly before Bush's stupidity. It is doing worse now. That's not blaming the entire world's problems on Bush. It's merely pointing out that he has hurt more than he has helped.
George W. Bush will be recorded by history as the worst president the United States has had to date; and he will be judged significantly worse than the previous fellows who held that role.
"Bush derangement syndrome" consists of not understanding just how much damage the man has done both to his country and his world.
Sorry, but I just don't see it or buy it.
You seriously don't think the growth, lifestyle and brutality of Al Queda, the Palestinian issue, Russia, Iran (Carters tenure and their present actions), Afganistan, all the other "stans", Libya, South America, Africa, North Korea, China, Taiwan, the Phillipines, innumerable "Armies of God" radical groups around the world, numerous other obscure groups with real or imagined grievances that either hate America and/or their own ruling establishment were major players in destabalizing the world BEFORE and during Bush's 8 years ? Don't you think after 8 years of the Democratic party piling on our President (calling him an idiot, warmonger and worse) and our troops (calling them terrorists) has not encouraged our enemies to highten the killings and increase the war horrors in an attempt to sway world opinion of the US ? Does any of this register with you?
What about the various countries and other leaders around the world harboring these hate groups ? Shouldn't they share some of your hatred for the current state of the world ? What about the 3000 US citizens killed by one of these groups ? Bush didn't do that, your countries ENEMIES did that and wasn't this act of war the single most defining event in the destabalization of the world since Pearl Harbor ? You do recall these events don't you?
Of course not, all of the above is irrelevant in your view. Your view of the world does not extend beyond US borders. You think the US lives or should live in a vacuum. You only see Bush as the sole source of the worlds destabalization, including the housing market and gas prices no doubt. You do not or cannot see Bush as one of the very few world leaders that has acted to curtail or wipe out some of these groups regardless of public opinion and regardless of U.N. inaction. A very brave position to take for a President up for re-election (2004) wouldn't you think? However, the fact that you feel this way is exactly what Bush Derangement Syndrome is all about. The all consuming, encompassing and debilitating hatred for this single man. You are infected, you are a classic case and looking at your statement(s), it looks terminal.
So, please tell us what measurement or study can we refer to validate the worlds "Poor" status before Bush and even worse after Bush ? During the Reagan and Clinton administrations, the world IMHO was in a glorious state simply because these Presidents allowed these groups to grow and proliferate around the world like open sores. Both of these past Presidents made only half hearted attempts to eradicate them. Places like Iraq, the growth of Al Queda in Afganistan, the inhumanity of the Hussein Presidency, the bombing of airplanes by Libya and other hate groups already existed but were for the most were note viewed as an imminent threat to the US until 9/11. But again, you only see Bush as the cause of the worlds problems because he had the audacity to act and lob more than a few cruise missiles at an aspirin factory to cover up poking an intern.
You sound very depressed and are very narrow minded. George Bush's history has not been written and you and I can not know what that history will say about the man but I beleive it will be positive.
K2WH
AE6IP
06-06-2008, 05:28 PM
Sorry, but I just don't see it or buy it. You seriously don't think [...] Bush didn't do that, your countries enemies did and wasn't that the single most defining event in the destabalization of the world?
You're certainly putting a lot of words in my mouth that I've never uttered.
So, please tell us what measurement or study can we refer to validate the worlds "Poor" status before Bush and even worse after Bush?
You don't know the metric, but you're certain that it will show Bush in a positive light? And you accuse others of "derangement"?
George Bush's history has not been written and you and I can not know what that history will say about the man but I beleive it will be positive.
Actually, his history has occurred and it's easy enough to read it. You keep believing whatever you want. I'll stick with reality.
AE6IP
06-06-2008, 05:32 PM
John McCain was busy being tortured for his country in the war.
McCain certainly has a tragic past, but there's nothing in those tragedies that would have taught him how to be president.
On the other hand, the Navy's unwillingness to give him a command, leading him to wash out early and turn to politics, is certainly a judgment upon his executive abilities, and one that says "not sufficient".
AE6IP
06-06-2008, 05:35 PM
Can you say Jimmy Carter .
Can you say non sequitur?
W3MIV
06-06-2008, 06:09 PM
... the Navy's unwillingness to give him a command, leading him to wash out early and turn to politics, is certainly a judgment upon his executive abilities, and one that says "not sufficient".
I'm not sure that is correct, Martin. I am no fanboy for McCain, but he was on the flag list and slated for his two stars but chose retirement to pursue his political ambitions.
That is not the same as "washing out early."
WB2WIK
06-06-2008, 06:22 PM
McCain certainly has a tragic past, but there's nothing in those tragedies that would have taught him how to be president.
On the other hand, the Navy's unwillingness to give him a command, leading him to wash out early and turn to politics, is certainly a judgment upon his executive abilities, and one that says "not sufficient".
::Also, McCain was busy being tortured because he was shot down and after offered release due to his high status as the son of an Admiral, he declined the offer, stating he wouldn't go unless his buddies were also freed. So, his stay at the Hanoi Hilton was much longer than required -- his own choice. I think he would have been a hero had he taken the early release and then returned to free his buddies in captivity. Not only would that make him a hero, but it would also make a good movie. Alas, it didn't go that way.
You're certainly putting a lot of words in my mouth that I've never uttered.
You don't know the metric, but you're certain that it will show Bush in a positive light? And you accuse others of "derangement"?
Actually, his history has occurred and it's easy enough to read it. You keep believing whatever you want. I'll stick with reality.
Marty, at least try to be happy with your reality.
K2WH
KD6NIG
06-06-2008, 07:28 PM
The scariest thing is the fact we only have these 2 to choose from, and the people in this country will choose one of them.
So memorize the bad points of both. One of them is going to hold the highest office in the land for 4 years.
*FACEPALM*
n4sva
06-06-2008, 09:06 PM
George McGovern II
AE6IP
06-06-2008, 10:41 PM
I'm not sure that is correct, Martin. I am no fanboy for McCain, but he was on the flag list and slated for his two stars but chose retirement to pursue his political ambitions.
That is not the same as "washing out early."
What is correct is that McCain was never offered a sea command by the Navy. That's strong evidence that he was never considered executive material. One can speculate to what extent family ties played a roll in his being offered RADM status, but no command means he'd have never gone any higher.
The key here is that McCain has no executive experience and that the Navy was unwilling to trust him with the opportunity.
What is correct is that McCain was never offered a sea command by the Navy. That's strong evidence that he was never considered executive material. One can speculate to what extent family ties played a roll in his being offered RADM status, but no command means he'd have never gone any higher.
The key here is that McCain has no executive experience and that the Navy was unwilling to trust him with the opportunity.
No, I think the key here is NO ONE has had any Presidential experience when elected to the White House #1 spot for the 1st time. So, all contenders are basically novices no matter who that may be.
K2WH
N4VGB
06-07-2008, 01:21 AM
What is correct is that McCain was never offered a sea command by the Navy.
I wasn't aware that sea commands were normally offered to those in the air wing? I presume that you're referring to a ship command? Don't pilots usually rise to CAG only? No Navy experience here, just working with vague memories of 'Navy talk' from others who served in carrier duty. :confused:
Obama, a dream for the LEFT.....
http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=OTlkYzllMmM1Y2YxYjEwMzA3Njc1OWE1MDM4ZjU5NzE=
AE6IP
06-09-2008, 05:35 PM
I wasn't aware that sea commands were normally offered to those in the air wing? I presume that you're referring to a ship command? Don't pilots usually rise to CAG only? No Navy experience here, just working with vague memories of 'Navy talk' from others who served in carrier duty. :confused:
You're asking questions at a level of detail I don't know. The key is that McCain was never entrusted with any executive position by the navy and such a lack of trust by those who knew him best speaks volumes.
ka5row
06-09-2008, 05:45 PM
:p He is a Chump and a Muslim
ad5mb
06-09-2008, 06:06 PM
What is correct is that McCain was never offered a sea command by the Navy.
I can see it now: "Break left, turn and burn! Full afterburners NOW!"
Also, McCain was busy being tortured because he was shot down and after offered release due to his high status as the son of an Admiral, he declined the offer, stating he wouldn't go unless his buddies were also freed. So, his stay at the Hanoi Hilton was much longer than required -- his own choice. I think he would have been a hero had he taken the early release and then returned to free his buddies in captivity. Not only would that make him a hero, but it would also make a good movie. Alas, it didn't go that way.
Precisely what I would expect of any military man; officer or enlisted. It's called a unit, not a Me First.
KD5ZPG
06-09-2008, 06:20 PM
As much as I don't like McCain because he isn't a true conservative he DOES have years of political experience behind him. He is WAAAY far to the right compared to Obama though!!! I can't believe the other side fielded the who the did.................
Obama's 143 Days of Senate Experience (http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/?p=707)
Just how much Senate experience does Barack Obama have in terms of actual work days? Not much.
From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate. That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working.
After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World, and fill the shoes of Abraham Lincoln, FDR, JFK and Ronald Reagan.
143 days -- I keep leftovers in my refrigerator longer than that.
In contrast, John McCain's 26 years in Congress, 22 years of military service including 1,966 days in captivity as a POW in Hanoi now seem more impressive than ever. At 71, John McCain may just be hitting his stride.
He'll get by with a little help from his friends.....
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/galloway-prays-for-obama-and-end-of-israel/print
K4GUN
06-09-2008, 07:01 PM
You're asking questions at a level of detail I don't know. The key is that McCain was never entrusted with any executive position by the navy and such a lack of trust by those who knew him best speaks volumes.
You don't know? You're making statements like this and you don't know if the fact that he was in the air wing had anything to do with that decision? So essentially, you're just casting stones in hope that you hit something. I think we can safely throw out your opinion on this topic until you come up with something that you actually do know something about.
K4GUN
06-09-2008, 07:11 PM
I really hate this election. I don't like McCain for a number of reasons. Its only partly because of his moronic positions on man made global warming, his uneducated position on the "gun show loophole" (which doesn't exist), his position on taxes, immigration and growing government. Its about his confusion between the terms "principled" and "hard headedness". He's been hard headed because it benefitted him in front of the liberal media. He's abandoned conservative principles for years because the media treated him like a king when he did.
Meanwhile, we have Obama who is a complete idiot but gives one hell of a speech. Four years of his policies on the domestic front would be bad enough, were it not for other nations knowing they can run roughshod over him due to his inexperience. We will be in a MUCH weaker position globally because he'll be trying too hard to fit in with the establishment. I really think he doesn't begin to comprehend what threats other nations pose to us and he'll walk blindly into the office.
Right now, I'm just trying to figure out what is worse. If Mccain wins, the GOP will be forced to defend his policies in 2012 and that sets up a BAD situation for them. If Obama wins, the conservative movement has the opportunity to really show what liberalism means. Meanwhile, the nation will be much worse off and as a conservative, I don't want that in the short run.
A snake oil salesman
Someone who can't seem to talk in public without a teleprompter
Someone who would have you believe you have rights to own firearms, but will take them away from you the first chance he gets
Someone who is quick to blame the Economy on his competitor but fails to realize he is a Democrat in office when there is a Democratically controlled congress that has done absolutely NOTHING about inflation, high oil, gas and food prices and thing tearing apart the economy other than Blame Bush
Someone who gave Hillary a good and needed "whoop-in"
Someone who talks a good game, but when the speeches are over you feel like that old lady in the burger-king commercial "Where's the beef"
Someone who doesn't look like many of us and because of that his supporters will be the first ones to throw the race card as being the reason when you say "hm, I just don't know"
One of the few original democratic candidates that were running that actually make McCain or even Kerry look good
As much as I don't like McCain because he isn't a true conservative he DOES have years of political experience behind him. He is WAAAY far to the right compared to Obama though!!! I can't believe the other side fielded the who the did.................
Obama's 143 Days of Senate Experience (http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/?p=707)
Just how much Senate experience does Barack Obama have in terms of actual work days? Not much.
After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World, and fill the shoes of Abraham Lincoln, FDR, JFK and Ronald Reagan.
143 days -- I keep leftovers in my refrigerator longer than that.
He's taking lessons from George W. Bush. (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/mason/5042364.html)
N4VGB
06-09-2008, 07:39 PM
He's taking lessons from George W. Bush. (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/mason/5042364.html)
I like vacations myself, very much. Never seem to have the time and money to take as many as my elected "servants"!? Hey, who's the "servant" here!!! :mad:
n2ize
06-09-2008, 07:45 PM
I really hate this election. I don't like McCain for a number of reasons. Its only partly because of his moronic positions on man made global warming, his uneducated position on the "gun show loophole"
Why is the man "moronic" ? Because he believes that reputable scientists may be correct ? I never imagined I'd live in a world, and in particular, a nation, where intelligence is considered moronic and ignorance is considered intellect. I guess there is a great deal of validity to the old saying, "ignorance is bliss", or, in the immortal words of Alfred E Newman..."what ? me worry ?"
Meanwhile, we have Obama who is a complete idiot but gives one hell of a speech.
Obama is anything but a "completer idiot". If that were true he wouldn't;t be as close as he is to becoming the next President. You may not like him but he certainly ain't stupid.
Four years of his policies on the domestic front would be bad enough, were it not for other nations knowing they can run roughshod over him due to his inexperience. We will be in a MUCH weaker position globally because he'll be trying too hard to fit in with the establishment. I really think he doesn't begin to comprehend what threats other nations pose to us and he'll walk blindly into the office.
Eight more years of Bush republicanism would we worst.
Right now, I'm just trying to figure out what is worse. If Mccain wins, the GOP will be forced to defend his policies in 2012 and that sets up a BAD situation for them. If Obama wins, the conservative movement has the opportunity to really show what liberalism means.
If you want to display some real intelligence wake up to the realization that neither of these 2 parties represent "liberalism" or "conservatism". Both are beholden to the same interest which is defending the almighty dollar for a select few. Stop falling for the propagandists line about a black & white, liberal versus conservative world.
K4GUN
06-09-2008, 07:57 PM
Why is the man "moronic" ? Because he believes that reputable scientists may be correct ? I never imagined I'd live in a world, and in particular, a nation, where intelligence is considered moronic and ignorance is considered intellect. I guess there is a great deal of validity to the old saying, "ignorance is bliss", or, in the immortal words of Alfred E Newman..."what ? me worry ?"
I know your views on this and I disagree. I'm not going to turn this into another global warming discussion, but suffice to say, I don't believe man can change the weather and the "solutions" that have been proposed are aimed at damaging the US.
Obama is anything but a "completer idiot". If that were true he wouldn't;t be as close as he is to becoming the next President. You may not like him but he certainly ain't stupid.
Perhaps that's a strong word, but everything I see out of him, indicates he's an empty suit. The cult of personality is how he's come this far in my opinion.
If you want to display some real intelligence wake up to the realization that neither of these 2 parties represent "liberalism" or "conservatism". Both are beholden to the same interest which is defending the almighty dollar for a select few. Stop falling for the propagandists line about a black & white, liberal versus conservative world.
Ah yes... the ol' man behind the curtain argument. Everybody else is wrong because you're the only one who knows the truth. A lot of people buy into that foolishness. Other have actual principles that can be articulated and defended without reliance on conspiracies. Sorry OM... I ain't buying it.
Eight more years of Bush republicanism would we worst.
For a guy who just claimed to be opposed to the common labels of liberalism and conservatism and presumably the associated parties, I find this line very funny.
Back on topic... I still can't stand either one of these two candidates. I think I'm going to vote for Shatner. :cool:
AE6IP
06-09-2008, 08:00 PM
You don't know? You're making statements like this and you don't know if the fact that he was in the air wing had anything to do with that decision?
I don't know enough details to know the precise spelling of the name of the command he wasn't given, no.
So essentially, you're just casting stones in hope that you hit something. I think we can safely throw out your opinion on this topic until you come up with something that you actually do know something about.
The key here is that the navy gave him no executive responsibility. It doesn't matter if I said "sea command" when the name of the command should have been some other words, what matters is that he was never allowed to command.
The man who people are touting as "experienced" wasn't trusted enough by the US Navy to be given the opportunity be an executive.
The key here is that the navy gave him no executive responsibility. It doesn't matter if I said "sea command" when the name of the command should have been some other words, what matters is that he was never allowed to command.
The man who people are touting as "experienced" wasn't trusted enough by the US Navy to be given the opportunity be an executive.
After Viet Nam there was a surplus of pilots in all the services. McCain hadn't been at the controls of a combat aircraft for over five years and was no longer considered qualified. The services were downsizing and someone like McCain just didn't fit in with the crowd of senior officers who were scrambling for position to avoid being forcibly retired.
Attaining flag rank or a senior command position is mostly an exercise in power politics and McCain had been out of the game so long that there was far too much competition ahead of him. You define that as "not being trusted enough by the US Navy to be given the opportunity to be an executive," but that also covers the hundereds of other senior Navy officers with more ability and experience who didn't attain "executive" status, either.
So, by your definition, if an officer doesn't attain flag rank (or, as you put it, "executive" status), he must be a loser whom the Navy doesn't trust.
And, by your definition, everyone below the guy at the top of the organizational chart must be a loser simply because he isn't the top guy.
Thanks for clearing that up for us, Marty. It explains a great deal.
Viva Obama.....
http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=NzUyM2EzMjVmNDAxNzVjZTYyYzE5YzI1OWJjZTc0OGM=
W1GUH
06-10-2008, 02:18 AM
Obama is anything but a "completer idiot". If that were true he wouldn't;t be as close as he is to becoming the next President. You may not like him but he certainly ain't stupid.
Eight more years of Bush republicanism would we worst.
Whoa there...
"Obama is anything but a "completer idiot". If that were true he wouldn't be as close as he is to becoming the next President. "
While I agree that he's not a complete idiot, the FM is a demonstration of the falseness of ,"If that were true he wouldn't;t be as close as he is to becoming the next President."
Will McCain or Obama rise to the occasion and guide the Ship of State into safer, less turbulent waters? One absolutely has to hope, and if you're religious, pray that that is what will happen. The alternative is just awful.
:(
N4VGB
06-10-2008, 02:20 AM
The man who people are touting as "experienced" wasn't trusted enough by the US Navy to be given the opportunity be an executive.
Congratulations Marty, that's the top of your brain diarrhea so far! :p
Could you please list the number of ship commands ever given to pilots!? What percentage of pilots do you believe even rise to CAG? :p
You've stretched beyond belief in your desperation. :p
AE6IP
06-10-2008, 04:13 AM
So, by your definition, if an officer doesn't attain flag rank (or, as you put it, "executive" status), he must be a loser whom the Navy doesn't trust.
Um, no. Stop putting words in my mouth.
The Navy offered John McCain no command position of any sort. Doesn't make him a loser. However it does call into serious doubt his ability to take on even more command responsibility, such as, oh, say the presidency.
W4DFW
06-10-2008, 04:21 AM
Um, no. Stop putting words in my mouth.
The Navy offered John McCain no command position of any sort. Doesn't make him a loser. However it does call into serious doubt his ability to take on even more command responsibility, such as, oh, say the presidency.
Just *what* command position did *any* military offer Obama??
McCain spent a few years in the Hanoi Hilton as a result of serving his country. Obama can't even pin our flag on his lapel.
*YOU* figure it out.
(Pretty tough there, ain't it?) :rolleyes:
AE6IP
06-10-2008, 04:28 AM
Could you please list the number of ship commands ever given to pilots!? What percentage of pilots do you believe even rise to CAG?
Please list the number of people who left the Navy as captain who later turned out to be good presidents.
Um, no. Stop putting words in my mouth.
The Navy offered John McCain no command position of any sort. Doesn't make him a loser. However it does call into serious doubt his ability to take on even more command responsibility, such as, oh, say the presidency.
Your words were:
The man who people are touting as "experienced" wasn't trusted enough by the US Navy to be given the opportunity be an executive.
All I did was translate Martinspeak into English.
As long as we're talking about people whom the Navy didn't offer "executive" positions, let's look at that liberal icon, James Earl (Jimmy) Carter.
During the time Carter was in the nuclear Navy, Admiral Hyman G. Rickover ran the nuclear Navy like an absolute monarch. He had the final say over who got in, got out, moved up, or stayed put. Carter got out early. If he had been worth a damn as an officer, Rickover would never have let him out of the Navy...and Rickover had the clout to make sure Carter stayed in. Yet he let Carter out. Apparently Rickover had no confidence in Carter's ability. Or, in Martinspeak, he didn't "trust him with an executive position."
Yet Carter became President of the United States and, by default, Rickover's boss.
Read into that what you will. I just find it interesting that lack of any military "executive" experience is considered a major factor for a war hero like McCain but, in the case of a relative nonentity like Carter, his lack of military achievement didn't matter.
KD7ZRT
06-10-2008, 08:20 AM
Obama can't even pin our flag on his lapel.
Wait a minute, WHERE'S McCAIN'S FLAG PIN?!?
http://www.bluegrassreport.org/McCainFlagSmall.png
Its nowhere to be found, ergo he is unfit to lead.
QED
What's up Barry??
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/06/10/video-of-the-day-obama-spins-the-definition-of-work-attempts-to-weasel-out-of-vetter-controversy/?print=1
Who is Obama?....we are learning.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/is-this-obamas-christianity-part-one/print
kg6amw
06-11-2008, 01:26 PM
Americans have had it so good, for so long, that they seem to have forgotten what government's heavy hand does to living standards and economic growth. Put Obama in as President with his anti-wealth policies and tax changes and this economy will tank.
"Centrist", "mainstream"...Yo, Andrea, you need to stop smoking those funny cigarettes.
http://newsbusters.org/node/21875/print
KD5ZPG
06-11-2008, 04:44 PM
He is a "Post Turtle". :D
While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75-year old Texas rancher, whose hand was caught in a gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Obama and his bid to be our President.The old rancher said, "Well, ya know, Obama is a 'post turtle'."
Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a 'post turtle' was. The old rancher said, "When you're driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a 'post turtle'. "The old man saw a puzzled look on the doctor's face, so he continued to explain. "You know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, he doesn't know what to do while he is up there, and you just want to help the dumb ass get down." :D:D
N9MOQ
06-11-2008, 04:55 PM
. .
Barry is right....
http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB121323183732366605.html
The Navy offered John McCain no command position of any sort. Doesn't make him a loser. However it does call into serious doubt his ability to take on even more command responsibility, such as, oh, say the presidency.
The fact that he was on the Flag list means by definition he was offered a command. With that command would come a promotion to 2 stars, as would befit the stature of the command. Perfectly normal advancement path in the Navy.
AE6IP
06-12-2008, 05:16 PM
The fact that he was on the Flag list means by definition he was offered a command.
Then you should have no problem identifying the command he was offered.
Then you should have no problem identifying the command he was offered.
From Wikipedia - "McCain had his flight status reinstated, and in 1976 he became commanding officer of a training squadron stationed in Florida. He turned around an undistinguished unit and won the squadron its first Meritorious Unit Commendation."
This squadron was VA-174, which trained combat pilots. At the time it was the largest squadron in the Navy, which means well over 1000 people. Due to his efforts, this squadron received a Meritorious Unit Commendation - and the Navy doesn't give them away. He was offered a Flag after this, and turned it down.
So much for his not ever having a major command and the responsibilities that go with it.
N4VGB
06-12-2008, 07:08 PM
So much for his not ever having a major command and the responsibilities that go with it.
Waste of your time. He never lets easily verifiable facts stand in his way. ;)
Just wonderful.....
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/what-about-barack-obamas-other-vp-vetter/print
More of Barry's friends.....
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/13/next-up-eric-holder/?print=1
AE6IP
06-13-2008, 07:54 PM
So much for his not ever having a major command and the responsibilities that go with it.
I did, indeed, miss that command.
I stand corrected.
W4DFW
06-18-2008, 01:52 PM
Put Down the Bong, and Vote for Obama! (http://neoconexpress.blogspot.com/2008/06/put-down-bong-and-vote-for-obama.html)
Too funny!! :D
Barry get's his full of Pooh on national security.
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/06/19/the-obamapooh-photoshop-collection/?print=1
WB3JLA
06-19-2008, 06:09 PM
He is the first U.S. presidential candidate to bypass the system since it was created after the Watergate scandal in the mid-1970s.
I BET HIS MONEY WILL BE STAINED WITH OIL AND SAND
see for yourself
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080619/ts_nm/usa_politics_dc_2
MY SITE GUITAR STUFF
http://www.geocities.com/insp/SUPRO6420.html
N4VGB
06-19-2008, 06:59 PM
He is the first U.S. presidential candidate to bypass the system since it was created after the Watergate scandal in the mid-1970s.
With all that WalMart/China money, why would the DNC or Obama need public funds. ;)
There you go again Barry...
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-lied-will-keep-using-soros-funding/print
ka5row
06-20-2008, 02:38 AM
:p 2 questions that need to be asked of Obama are...
1) Who are you ?
2) What do you do ?
( 1 ) I am Americas worst nightmare.
( 2 ) I lie Cheat and say what it takes to get in the white house.
Obama is a Chump
Barry, it's hard to keep up with your lies, but I'll try....
http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/06/obama_lied_to_ohioans_about_na.html