View Full Version : McCain on illegal immigration: "we're all equal"
KG4JYD
06-05-2008, 12:11 AM
At a town hall meeting in Nashville last Monday McCain was asked "your stand on immigration and what you are going to do?"
After confusing and muddling this question with another, he gave his answer on immigration:
"I believe that...all of us are created equal"
What does that tell me?
A vote for McCain is a vote for amnesty!
You can hear this minute and half question here:
http://www.7616millbridge.com/temp/McCain_wants_amnesty.mp3
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A vote for Obama is a vote for amnesty as well.
Who do you plan to vote for?
I feel that amnesty is inevitable. IT's just a matter of when.
KG4JYD
06-05-2008, 12:36 AM
Who do you plan to vote for?Not sure yet. But it won't be Hillary, McCain, or Obama. That's for sure!
I am investigating Barr and Baldwin as possible choices. Or I might just write in Ron Paul. We'll see.
Not sure yet. But it won't be Hillary, McCain, or Obama. That's for sure!
I am investigating Barr and Baldwin as possible choices. Or I might just write in Ron Paul. We'll see.
None of whom will win.
I face the same concern as JYD. None of the candidates who have any chance of being elected have an appropriate position on the subject of illegal immigration. I too may be voting for a non mainstream candidate via write in.
I'm moving to Canada. Already looking at homes up there. You guys can deal with it.
I'm moving to Canada. Already looking at homes up there. You guys can deal with it.
Canada is even worse, by the way.
N4VGB
06-05-2008, 01:52 AM
At a town hall meeting in Nashville last Monday McCain was asked "your stand on immigration and what you are going to do?"
Why don't you enlighten and inspire us with your plan to deal with the many million illegal immigrants from Mexico? Got an Army tucked away somewhere that can fan out across America and round these folks up for deportation? How about transportation back to Mexico, do you have a huge fleet of anything for this purpose? Have a few billion $$$ tucked away to finance all this also? :p
I don't think I've seen anyone dig more holes! :rolleyes:
N5NPO
06-05-2008, 01:55 AM
I'm moving to Canada. Already looking at homes up there. You guys can deal with it.
I am actually considering moving to Mexico or Belize.
All the Mexicans will be up here shortly anyway.
I face the same concern as JYD. None of the candidates who have any chance of being elected have an appropriate position on the subject of illegal immigration. I too may be voting for a non mainstream candidate via write in.
Hear, hear! Now which right-minded conservative will step and do the right thing?
n2ize
06-05-2008, 02:37 AM
I'm moving to Canada. Already looking at homes up there. You guys can deal with it.
Watch out. The neocons will label you a trader er ah I mean traitor.. Looking for a freebee from the socialist/communist canadian government. :D:D
Didn't a bunch of people say they were moving up to Canada when Kerry lost in 2004?
Bill, are you a closet lib? :o
KG4JYD
06-05-2008, 07:16 AM
Why don't you enlighten and inspire us with your plan to deal with the many million illegal immigrants from Mexico?
First - secure the border and stop anymore from coming in.
Second - deport all that are in our jails, or those that get arrested.
Third - begin looking for them in the usual places - labor pools, roofing companies, landscaping companies, Wal-Mart, etc.
Fourth - require all money transfers to Mexico have records sent to the government so that the government can then go and find the people who sent the money for questioning; chances are they are NOT here legally.
That would handle probably 60-80% of them.
N4VGB
06-05-2008, 07:25 AM
First - secure the border and stop anymore from coming in.
Second - deport all that are in our jails, or those that get arrested.
Third - begin looking for them in the usual places - labor pools, roofing companies, landscaping companies, Wal-Mart, etc.
Fourth - require all money transfers to Mexico have records sent to the government so that the government can then go and find the people who sent the money for questioning; chances are they are NOT here legally.
That would handle probably 60-80% of them.
First- Trying to do that now but certain left wing Democratic groups, like the Sierra Club, are trying to stop it on environmental grounds.
Second- That hasn't worked well here, arrested and deported the same ones several times.
Third- We used to round them up by the bus load here. According to the records, the same ones over and over again.
Fourth- Mexicans don't do international wire transfers, that costs too much. They buy plain old money orders and mail them home. See them at the local banks and post offices every Friday.
I'll give you another shot. :)
McCain lives right here in the highest state with illegal immigration He has done little to nothing. I would bet that the same people that profit by the lessor paid labor from these people gave money to McCain to run for office. But then again I don't see any politician address this issue.
Yes there will be amnesty, again. But how many times are we going to do this without throwing the borders open for all?
They just keep on coming and the border patrol keeps catching them and sending them back. I many cases they are back the same day.
Here is AZ it's called recycling. The problem is that the money that we all pay the federal agencies for what they do does not come back. :(
PS, we don't have the manpower to man our borders to keep them out either. So short of putting the troops on the border (not going to happen) when they are called back I see no immediate solutions to the problem or expense.
N9MOQ
06-05-2008, 01:48 PM
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What?
And change the way this country has been doing business for the last 60 years that I am aware of? Fat Chance!
And don't forget about the Hispanic Vote. Anger them? Fat Chance!
We on the border have been battling this problem for years and see no change except in the amount it costs the taxpayers each year.
There is a solution, though it is complex. However very few of our elected officials including the two top candidates for President have the guts to implement any effective solution.
Here are the steps:
1. Improve border security through a combination of fence, personnel, and technology. We can do it but we just don't have the determination to do it. We have the most porous border of any non third world country in the world. ICE needs an overhaul with new leadership, better training and most of all the support it needs from the US Government to do its job.
2. Stop giving illegals "constitutional rights". As people here illegally they are not entitled to them but we give them rights as if they were citizens. Deny them ALL forms of public support: no free health care, no welfare/food stamps etc, no free education--in fact they should not be allowed to attend our schools, use our hospitals, or have access to any tax paid programs
3. Severe criminal sanctions for anyone who empoys an illegal or rents to an illegal
4. Mandating that local law enforcement detain anyone whom they have probable cause to believe is an illegal. Illegal entry is a crime though we do not seem willing or able to prosecute it.
5. Eliminate the "anchor baby" BS. If the parents are not here legally they can take their U S citizen child with them when they are deported back to where ever they came from.
Getting the current millions of illegals out of here is probably next to impossible so some limited form of amnesty is probably a practical necessity. The goal needs to be to eliminate additional millions of illegals coming here. They are a threat to our security, our culture and our economy. We have a choice. Deal with it now (which we have failed to do for decades) or resign ourselves to eventually becoming a third world country ourselves. As the percentage of uneducated illegals grows our cities will become crime infested, corrupt, cesspools much like the cities in the countries they immigrated from....and I am not referring to just Mexico. We already have illegal immigrant based violent street gangs in the major cities of the USA. They already have established their drug distribution networks. They already have declared war on local law enforcement. In some places they have corrupted local law enforcement through bribes and armed intimidation. Soon, unless this problem is checked, we will experience what the Mexican northern border towns are right this minute---law enforcement officers being killed by the dozens by drug cartels, law abiding citizens afraid to leave their own homes, and a total inability of government to do anything about it. Our fate is our choice at this point, but someday soon it won't be.
KG4JYD
06-05-2008, 04:32 PM
First- Trying to do that now but certain left wing Democratic groups, like the Sierra Club, are trying to stop it on environmental grounds.I am not talking about a wall. I am talking about pulling our troops off of Iraq's border and putting them on OUR border.
There is very little if any enviro impact to that. Someone needs to grow a pair and tell the enviroNazis where to shove it.
Second- That hasn't worked well here, arrested and deported the same ones several times.
Third- We used to round them up by the bus load here. According to the records, the same ones over and over again.Well this also goes back to securing the border. Once we export them again if the border is secured, they won't be able to come back over. Kicking them out does NO GOOD unless the border is secured.
Fourth- Mexicans don't do international wire transfers, that costs too much. They buy plain old money orders and mail them home. See them at the local banks and post offices every Friday.
Wal-Mart is another place they do this too. And it's a great place for the feds to start to ask questions on peak times.
KD6NIG
06-05-2008, 04:57 PM
A vote for Obama is a vote for amnesty as well.
Who do you plan to vote for?
I feel that amnesty is inevitable. IT's just a matter of when.
I totally agree. What remains to be seen is what the "fine" will be for those who wish to acquire it.
I'm sorry to say it, but it could be the very thing that takes care of a large portion of our war debt as well as perhaps helping to shore up Social Security. They better do that-by taking them in, and allowing them to pay taxes and the like, they will be eligible for it also. Retirement age will probably be 80, but anyway :)
I'm expecting it sometime around 2010. I expect that gay marriage will be pretty mainstream by then as well.
I don't really agree with either, but I'm not in the position to demand both not happen and it will magically be done, either. If enough people scream and keep screaming for either, something will happen. Its inevitable that both will have to. Either that or we will continue to have illegals sapping our health services and the like and getting no return on it. Bringing them into the fold funds those services and makes the ability to collect from those using said services easier.
I totally agree. What remains to be seen is what the "fine" will be for those who wish to acquire it.
I'm sorry to say it, but it could be the very thing that takes care of a large portion of our war debt as well as perhaps helping to shore up Social Security. They better do that-by taking them in, and allowing them to pay taxes and the like, they will be eligible for it also. Retirement age will probably be 80, but anyway :)
I think La Raza will end up lobbying for the fine to be waived. Whether or not they are successful remains to be seen.
As for allowing them to pay taxes - I thought the whole reason they were justifying amnesty is because they claimed to be paying so much in taxes? So aren't they paying taxes already?
KD6NIG
06-05-2008, 06:35 PM
I think La Raza will end up lobbying for the fine to be waived. Whether or not they are successful remains to be seen.
As for allowing them to pay taxes - I thought the whole reason they were justifying amnesty is because they claimed to be paying so much in taxes? So aren't they paying taxes already?
Sales, perhaps. But the ones truly illegal who are working under the table, I doubt they are contributing like you or I do every paycheck.
I guess some of the sales tax could go to fund some of it.
The big issue here right now is the county hospital though. Not every county has one anymore, and since they are public funded they "cannot refuse treatment to anyone." They are 10B in the hole projected this year.
Not to point fingers, but when you have unpaid bills, and its difficult to collect because you don't have ID on a person, you're going to just keep accruing debt.
I have neighbors who emigrated from Mexico. They went through the hoops my parents and grandparents did-paid the fees involved, took the classes, integrated in. My parents didn't drive around waving the German flag, demanding services and other things in their language, they learned English and worked hard to get where they are today.
Same with them. Now they do fly the Mexican flag on occasion (like on Cinco when they had a party) but they had the stars and stripes up too, and the stars and stripes were much bigger. If we wanted some food, come on over, have some. The dad there works 5-6 days a week driving truck-doesn't ask for a handout, in fact, is proud to not have to. Works hard for what he has. And in conversations with him, even HE is annoyed at those who come from his own country and work here, send the money back to Mexico, and draw from our governments services and don't repay a dime.
And thats what I think is going to clinch it. You can only provide so much to so many for free before it reaches the point that those who do pay pay out the nose (this is already happening) or taxes have to go up to cover the increased costs.
Reality is going to say either we have to do a massive roundup (and that won't ever happen, I can hear the ACLU screaming already just by saying that!) or we have to bring them into the fold, get them to get a paycheck every 2 weeks, and have the 'standard deductions' you and I know of deducted from them also. And maybe they won't be able to pay the entire medical bill or whatever when its incurred, but heck, $20/month payments by everyone who owes our county hospital right now would probably impact a good portion of the debt they are fielding. Sure it might take 20 years for someone to pay off a bill, but its better than the $0 they can collect now, and will never collect, because they can't even ID the person who got services.....
Like I said, I may not agree with it, but if we don't make a change soon, we're all going to be paying for it. People look at gas prices as the latest scourge on America. Has anyone really seen what medical procedures cost lately? How about perscription meds? I know my wifes grandparents don't drive much, so their gas bill is 0, but even INSURED they are dropping more cash per month on medication than I am on fuel to get to work...
It's all about borders, language, and culture. As we lose this absolutely essential sovereign qualities, we lose our country.
AE6IP
06-05-2008, 11:14 PM
It's all about borders, language, and culture. As we lose this absolutely essential sovereign qualities, we lose our country.
I don't normally point out grammar errors, but the irony of someone whining on about it being "all about ... language" and making such a mistake was too funny to ignore.
KG4JYD
06-05-2008, 11:15 PM
McCain lives right here in the highest state with illegal immigration I would bet that the same people that profit by the lessor paid labor from these people gave money to McCain to run for office.BINGO!!!!
That and the fact the GOP leadership can't resist courting a new voting bloc of 20 million illegals.
N4VGB
06-05-2008, 11:28 PM
McCain lives right here in the highest state with illegal immigration He has done little to nothing.
Interesting. I would have thought that even AZ had a Governor? Maybe some county and city elected officials? No state, county or city law enforcement? I would hate to be a Senator from AZ, since AZ residents seem to believe their Senator responsible for all things in AZ!? Your other Senator Jon Kyl bears none of the shame for your state of affairs there? Or were you unaware that you had 2 Senators? :rolleyes:
At a town hall meeting in Nashville last Monday McCain was asked "your stand on immigration and what you are going to do?"
After confusing and muddling this question with another, he gave his answer on immigration:
"I believe that...all of us are created equal"
What does that tell me?
A vote for McCain is a vote for amnesty!
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You can hear this minute and half question here:
http://www.7616millbridge.com/temp/McCain_wants_amnesty.mp3
.
McCain is 100% right -- all of us are created equal.
And if I went to Mexico, illegally entered that country and got caught, the Mexican government would like me up and kick me out as soon as they were ready --- same level of equality should be given to the folks who have violated our boarders.
Interesting. I would have thought that even AZ had a Governor? Maybe some county and city elected officials? No state, county or city law enforcement? I would hate to be a Senator from AZ, since AZ residents seem to believe their Senator responsible for all things in AZ!? Your other Senator Jon Kyl bears none of the shame for your state of affairs there? Or were you unaware that you had 2 Senators? :rolleyes:
Yes, of course, Dilmus.
With all of the local elected officials using the tired old excuse "we're not enforcing immigration laws, because immigration is the responsibility of the federal Government" I absolutely think that a senator in the federal government should do something about illegal immigration, since it is a FEDERAL responsibility!
N4VGB
06-06-2008, 05:15 AM
Yes, of course, Dilmus.
With all of the local elected officials using the tired old excuse "we're not enforcing immigration laws, because immigration is the responsibility of the federal Government" I absolutely think that a senator in the federal government should do something about illegal immigration, since it is a FEDERAL responsibility!
Just that one Senator mcCain eh? Yeah! :rolleyes: Well, Obama managed to get his Church $15 million in taxpayers dollars, maybe McCain could have joined the hogs at the trough and got a few extra billion for AZ? :rolleyes: Maybe he could have gotten Bush to declare marshall law in AZ? :rolleyes: