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n2ize
06-03-2008, 06:02 PM
New York State will be imposing the highest cigarette tax in the nation. Between the per pack price of over $5.00 plus the tax increase to approx 2.75 per pack New Yorkers will be paying around $8.00 per pack of cigarettes, about $2.00 short of the average price of a packet of heroin.
Health ocfficials tout this tax as a good thing. They feel it will force smokers to kick the habit. I say baloney. In most cases when people are addicted to something they will pay for it, regardless of the price.
I think it's a cheap shot to take advantage of people this way. The state knows that cigarettes are a habit forming vice and they know most people will pay for it rather than quit. The state is acting like a drug pusher of the greediest sort.
This will also hurt lower-middle and lower income families the most. I am not a smoker but I feel the state should really be ashamed of itself.
http://www.wnbc.com/money/16465388/detail.html?rss=ny&psp=news
N4VGB
06-03-2008, 06:12 PM
New York State knows their citizens are a bunch of sheep and will pay any tax demanded. :D
Current price per pack when buying a carton in TN from one of the local discount tobacco marts, $2.75-$3.00 per pack. :)
My local grocery store is located in a small mall and I see the prices posted in the window of a small discount tobacco mart there regularly. :p
Is there anything requiring the money be used on health spending, or does it all end up in the general fund?
I buy all my tobacco online, and avoid all but federal taxes.
WB8MKV
06-03-2008, 06:27 PM
I havent smoked in 30 years, but as a teenager living on a farm, we all smoked corn silk
N4VGB
06-03-2008, 06:31 PM
I havent smoked in 30 years, but as a teenager living on a farm, we all smoked corn silk
http://wildflowers.jdcc.edu/Rabbit%20Tobacco.html
We all smoked a local weed as kids, called it "rabbit tobacco". :rolleyes:
I think this is a great thing. More New Yorkers will buy their cigs in New Jersey which means more tax revenue for US!
:D
N9MOQ
06-03-2008, 07:12 PM
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N9MOQ
06-03-2008, 07:15 PM
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New York State knows their citizens are a bunch of sheep and will pay any tax demanded. :D
Sales Tax:
New York City: 8.375%
Chattanooga, TN: 9.25%
Can you say Baa baa?
I know you could!
N4VGB
06-03-2008, 07:35 PM
Sales Tax:
New York City: 8.375%
Chattanooga, TN: 9.25%
Can you say Baa baa?
I know you could!
It's called a "local option tax", we don't send much of it to the state! Keep our money here for local use! We also have zero state/local income tax! :p
Baa Haa on you is correct, or is it Boo Hoo for you! :p:p:p
It's called a "local option tax", we don't send much of it to the state! Keep our money here for local use!
NY state's tax rate is actually only 4%. Still lower than Tennessee.
I don't really think of smokers as people.
Thanks for the warning. Saves me the trouble of deciphering the rest of your idiotic post, not to mention ever making the mistake of talking to you on the air. If you hear me calling CQ don't bother answering. I wouldn't want you to lower yourself by talking to a subhuman on the bands.
What a maroon.
N4VGB
06-03-2008, 07:51 PM
NY state's tax rate is actually only 4%. Still lower than Tennessee.
Yep, sales tax is variable here on different items. Standard is 7% on many items. Of course no local/state income taxes, very reasonable property taxes and very few additional taxes and fees sure make it much cheaper to live here than NJ or NY. :D
N2IZE/John Boy says it well worth the high price for you guys to have the privilege of living there, rejoice in your privilege! :D
N4VGB
06-03-2008, 07:53 PM
What a maroon.
OH, you noticed that also. :)
Yep, sales tax is variable here on different items. Standard is 7% on many items. Of course no local/state income taxes, very reasonable property taxes and very few additional taxes and fees sure make it much cheaper to live here than NJ or NY. :D
NYC area and NJ is actually pretty good. I've been to Tennessee many times and it is just downright boring. I don't think I could ever live there. At least here we have nightlife that's not getting drunk and waking up next morning wondering whether you just made your first cousin pregnant.
Also, your schools suck.
Do you have any kids besides your dead son to notice how sucky the schools are in Tennessee, Jethro?
PA5COR
06-03-2008, 08:00 PM
I smoke. i don't drink alcohol
Maybe N9MOQ likes to booze up
I don't like unreasonably drunk peeps
Saying i don't consider them as people would be too stupid to even tink about.
You do have an serious problem...
n2ize
06-03-2008, 08:15 PM
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I don't really think of smokers as people.
You may not think of them as people but they are.
Yet I know lots of people that have quit without having a higher tax be what it took for them to WANT to stop. Anyone can stop if they WANT to. If they made the tax $1000 per pack, I bet lots of people would quit. It seems the tax isn't high enough yet.
That could be true for anything. Simple tax it to a point where only the extremely rich can afford it.
The idea that anyone can stop if they want to is true to an extent. The problem is that it is very difficult for some people to stop. The same is true for any substances which produce an addiction. For some people stopping is easier than for others. I knew this one guy who quit heroin cold, just stopped one day, endured a sloid week of miserable withdrawl, endured another few months of mild depression and lethargy and never went back to it. And I know another who has struggled on and off with it for almost all his life. Everyone is different. Smoking tobacco, drinking liquor, taking drugs, even gambling, is a personal choice people make. It may not be a smart choice by your standards, it may not be the choice that you would make. It's a personal choice. A person is no less a person for making such a choice. For the state to take advantage of these people by taxing the daylights out of them in the name of saving them from themselves is absurd and unethical.
They banned TV commericals of cigarettes in the 70s, put warning labels on each pack, ban smoking in public places, PSAs telling people how bad cigarettes are for you, raise the taxes on them, and you see this as them pushing the drug?
Yes, because they allow it to be sold knowing full well thhat it is addicting and hard for people to quit and then they exploit them by imposing astronomically high taxes on them using health concerns as a subterfuge. To me that's a lot like the black market charging overly inflated prices for drugs knowing full well that an addicted person will pay for them.
I see it as if anyone puts a cigarette in their mouth after all that, those people should be put away in mental institutions.
No, they should be left alone and be given the same respect we give anyone else. If someone makes the choice to smoke that is their business.
What makes them lower income is all the money they throw away on cigarettes.
No, some people have jobs that pay higher salaries others don't. I could afford to smoke and still have plenty of money left over. A person with a low income cannot afford to smoke without it taking a much deeper toll on their budget. Poor people become addicted to cigarettes and they will buy them meaning less money for other things thanks to an absurd exploitative tax.
I agree the state should be ashamed of itself. For not making tobbaco illegal. Marijuana has medical bennefits, that is illegal, tobbaco has no medical or health bennefit, and that is legal. If I drive a car, I have to wear a seatbelt, but someone can be driving right next to me on a motorcycle with no seatbelt.
And what would making tobacco illegal accomplish other than creating yet another illegal vice that would be controlled, smuggled and sold by the black market at huge profits. I don't thing anything should be banned simply because bans don't work. If a mature adult who is aware of the risk decides he wants to smoke tobacco that should be his business. It's not my business to impose my mmorality on him. Likewise if he wants to drink booze, blow weed, snort coke or inject heroin that is his business and not mine to judge or impose morality upon. As long as he doesn;'t come over to me and blow smoke in my face or harass or harm me or my family than what he does is between him and God. Once he does the latter than the law has the right to step in. Until then it should be neither the business of law nor my business nor anyone elses.
I agree the hypocrisy is illogical. If your going to ban smoking, then you must also ban cigarettes. If you are going to require seatbelts, then you must ban motorcycles. Otherwise you are a hypocrite.Nothing should be banned. mature people should be made aware of the potenntial risks of various types of behavior. Beyond that it should be a choice left to the person.
I support the rights of the smoker, the drug taker, the cocktail generation... indulge if ye chose but respect those around ye.
n2ize
06-03-2008, 08:30 PM
NYC area and NJ is actually pretty good. I've been to Tennessee many times and it is just downright boring. I don't think I could ever live there. At least here we have nightlife that's not getting drunk and waking up next morning wondering whether you just made your first cousin pregnant.
Also, your schools suck.
Do you have any kids besides your dead son to notice how sucky the schools are in Tennessee, Jethro?
New York is a great state all around. A beautiful state with such diversity, From the beautiful sandy shores of the Atlantic, to the largest wildreness area east of the Mississippi i.e. the majestic Adirondack mountains in all their splendour and pristine beauty, to one of the biggest and most famous and prestigious cities in all the world. Just think of it. NYC has some of the finest schools and colleges, not to mention research libraries, museams, multiculturall diversity, fine resturants, all types of dwellings from beautiful old brownstones to hi rise apartments, to penthouse suites, to affordable rent controlled buildings, we've got em all. And not to mention Broadway... matter of fact when I get off work early this Friday I'll be heading up to my apartment and then I''ll be picking up the YL taking her out to dine on some fine east Indian cuisine and then to an off-Broadway showing followed by an interesting film review. Since the weather is to be nice and mild on the weekend I might even take an early trip out to the shore over the weekend.
Life is indeed good here. I wouldn't trade it for anyplace else.
N4VGB
06-03-2008, 08:31 PM
NYC area and NJ is actually pretty good. I've been to Tennessee many times and it is just downright boring. I don't think I could ever live there. At least here we have nightlife that's not getting drunk and waking up next morning wondering whether you just made your first cousin pregnant.
Also, your schools suck.
Do you have any kids besides your dead son to notice how sucky the schools are in Tennessee, Jethro?
What do want out of nightlife? Theater, movies, restaurants of every kind, nightclubs, public venues for local artists of every type, etc.? Got all that here. And can also take a ride up or down the local TN River for many miles or pop out into the Gulf by either of two routes. Throw a saddle on one of the horses and take a dusk ride, maybe pop a turkey or deer in the backyard. Take a dip in the pool perhaps. :D
I wouldn't know much about the local public school system here. My son attended one of the very highly ranked private schools here.
What do want out of nightlife? Theater, movies, restaurants of every kind, nightclubs, public venues for local artists of every type, etc.? Got all that here.
Last time I went there, it was mostly a bunch of drunk rednecks and mexicans. I was told that's why in downtown knoxville the red lights flash bright white when they turn red.
And can also take a ride up or down the local TN River for many miles or pop out into the Gulf by either of two routes. Throw a saddle on one of the horses and take a dusk ride, maybe pop a turkey or deer in the backyard. Take a dip in the pool perhaps. :D
Yeah we can do that here too. The delaware river has some of the best fishing around.
I also have a four stable horse barn on my property, next to my house.
I wouldn't know much about the local public school system here. My son attended one of the very highly ranked private schools here.
Too bad they didn't tell him not to drive a KIA.
N4VGB
06-03-2008, 08:41 PM
Too bad they didn't tell him not to drive a KIA.
I hope all can now see you for the total scumbag that you most assuredly are. Your attempts to irritate me over the death of my son now rank you as lower than whale crap. I certainly pray that I have the opportunity to bump into you in person soon. :)
I hope all can now see you for the total scumbag that you most assuredly are. Your attempts to irritate me over the death of my son now rank you as lower than whale crap. I certainly pray that I have the opportunity to bump into you in person soon. :)
I must have missed something here. Did somebody actually die? Is somebody making fun of it? If so, that is lower than snake sh*t, not that of a whale.
N4VGB
06-03-2008, 09:14 PM
I must have missed something here. Did somebody actually die? Is somebody making fun of it? If so, that is lower than snake sh*t, not that of a whale.
Yes, my 22yo son died in an automobile accident last year and N2RJ decided to use the fact as ammo on here. He has little else in the way of abilities to rely on. Whale crap sinks to the lowest levels of the oceans of the world, where N2RJ belongs. :)
W8NSI
06-03-2008, 09:21 PM
The New York State Police will have to start watching for cigarette bootleggers. Any time there is such a huge difference in the cost across state llines, there are those who will take advantage.
Hmmm maybe the mafia will make moves to corner the market? :D
New York State will be imposing the highest cigarette tax in the nation. Between the per pack price of over $5.00 plus the tax increase to approx 2.75 per pack New Yorkers will be paying around $8.00 per pack of cigarettes, about $2.00 short of the average price of a packet of heroin.
Health ocfficials tout this tax as a good thing. They feel it will force smokers to kick the habit. I say baloney. In most cases when people are addicted to something they will pay for it, regardless of the price.
I think it's a cheap shot to take advantage of people this way. The state knows that cigarettes are a habit forming vice and they know most people will pay for it rather than quit. The state is acting like a drug pusher of the greediest sort.
This will also hurt lower-middle and lower income families the most. I am not a smoker but I feel the state should really be ashamed of itself.
http://www.wnbc.com/money/16465388/detail.html?rss=ny&psp=news
I must have missed something here. Did somebody actually die? Is somebody making fun of it? If so, that is lower than snake sh*t, not that of a whale.
One side of the story as usual.
I'm sure N4VGB would like to own up to the tags he's been tagging about N2NH's wife who died in the 9/11 attacks AND his repeated personal attacks about my national origin,
Wanna talk about lower than snakesh*t? Mack N4VGB is your man.
n2ize
06-03-2008, 09:23 PM
The New York State Police will have to start watching for cigarette bootleggers. Any time there is such a huge difference in the cost across state llines, there are those who will take advantage.
Hmmm maybe the mafia will make moves to corner the market? :D
I was thinking about that. Cigarette smugglling might become a much more lucrative business.
I hope all can now see you for the total scumbag that you most assuredly are. Your attempts to irritate me over the death of my son now rank you as lower than whale crap. I certainly pray that I have the opportunity to bump into you in person soon. :)
Oh please mr. keyboard commando!
Threats will get you nowhere, Mack.
I was actually feeling sorry for you at one point but you seem to have nothing good to say about anyone, and your repeated attacks on my national origin showed that you lost every leg to stand on ages ago.
Try being nice to people and maybe they'll return the favor.
Be a jerk and it will come right back at you.
N4VGB
06-03-2008, 09:30 PM
One side of the story as usual.
I'm sure N4VGB would like to own up to the tags he's been tagging about N2NH's wife who died in the 9/11 attacks AND his repeated personal attacks about my national origin,
Wanna talk about lower than snakesh*t? Mack N4VGB is your man.
I've never tagged any thread or voted any stars to any thread, I consider both options as silly, but I don't run QRZ. You're the only ham in the world that I plan to tag. :mad:
Boy, you are a total idiot! :mad:
N9MOQ
06-03-2008, 09:37 PM
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N4VGB
06-03-2008, 09:39 PM
Try being nice to people and maybe they'll return the favor.
Be a jerk and it will come right back at you.
You crossed a line that there is no turning back from, too bad about you. :p
kc9jwa
06-03-2008, 09:41 PM
N92nize, i think thats your call sighn.:) You defintally know how to put things , you also dont down grade people , you understand and voice you opinion respectly and dont judge i respect that very much.:) I do smoke, i dont drink but i understand smoking isnt much different then any other addiction in a way, some are just harder. Smoking alot know it doesnt help but thier addicted and they pay almost no matter what they have hard times since thier bodies are addicted like any other addiction it the first thing they do but at times its also the last thing. i try to over come it , problem is they raise smoking taxes and also increase or have in the past put little more chemical to make smoking more addicting. i have to quit this new years comin up and i will be glad.:)
There's nothing sexier than a hot chick smokin' a cig :)
Rock on!!
n2ize
06-03-2008, 10:13 PM
N92nize, i think thats your call sighn.:) You defintally know how to put things , you also dont down grade people , you understand and voice you opinion respectly and dont judge i respect that very much.:) I do smoke, i dont drink but i understand smoking isnt much different then any other addiction in a way, some are just harder. Smoking alot know it doesnt help but thier addicted and they pay almost no matter what they have hard times since thier bodies are addicted like any other addiction it the first thing they do but at times its also the last thing. i try to over come it , problem is they raise smoking taxes and also increase or have in the past put little more chemical to make smoking more addicting. i have to quit this new years comin up and i will be glad.:)
Thanks... I have 2 good friends that smoke. I wish they didn't smoke but they do. Still, they are both wonderful people. I try to judge people by who they are and not by what habits they may have, A person can drink, smoke, take drugs, I don't hold it against them. As long as they are decent people is what counts more than anything else.
n2ize
06-03-2008, 10:16 PM
That is nothing new...
Cigarette surveillance program begins today
Motorists bringing large numbers of smokes into state will be charged
Thursday, September 27, 2007
NASHVILLE — Starting today, state Department of Revenue agents will begin stopping Tennessee motorists spotted buying large quantities of cigarettes in border states, then charging them with a crime and, in some cases, seizing their cars.
“This administration has been very willing to turn a blind eye to illegal aliens pouring into our state, yet, when a natural Tennessean brings a couple of cartons of smokes across the state line, they want to arrest them,”
Campfield said.
He and Johnson both said the program appears to involve the state in interstate commerce, an area where the federal government is granted sole authority by the U.S. Constitution.
Farr said the program does not run afoul of federal restrictions on state interference with interstate commerce.
“We’re not regulating the purchase of anything in another state,” he said. “We’re regulating the possession of contraband in Tennessee.”
But cigarrettes are not contraband or illegal in Tennessee to possess.
More and more police intrusion into peoples everyday lives. And we complain about China being repressive and restrictive. At the rate we're going we're gonna be just like them soon.
More and more police intrusion into peoples everyday lives. And we complain about China being repressive and restrictive. At the rate we're going we're gonna be just like them soon.
With the failure of alcohol prohibition and the expensive and failed "war on drugs" you think governments would have learned something. Now it's cigarettes. What next? What part of this do policy makers not understand? Or is it just that prohibition is such a lucrative business for government to be in?
I think it is the latter.
N4VGB
06-03-2008, 10:26 PM
“We’re not regulating the purchase of anything in another state,” he said. “We’re regulating the possession of contraband in Tennessee.”
But cigarrettes are not contraband or illegal in Tennessee to possess.
Old story in TN, "bootlegging" cigarettes from NC to TN used to be a large industry. Now cigarettes are cheaper in TN than NC. I don't know where anyone could get cigarettes in any neighboring states cheaper than TN? Sales tax collection is very tightly enforced in TN because we have no state income tax. :D
They're usually not interested in somone bringing home a few cartons for personal comsumption, only those reselling.
n2ize
06-03-2008, 10:35 PM
With the failure of alcohol prohibition and the expensive and failed "war on drugs" you think governments would have learned something. Now it's cigarettes. What next? What part of this do policy makers not understand? Or is it just that prohibition is such a lucrative business for government to be in?
I think it is the latter.
Anything that enables them to get a foot in your door they're ok with.
W1GUH
06-03-2008, 10:52 PM
Tsk...Tsk...Tsk....
All the name-calling...careful...'WH's gonna get you all banned.
Well, one thing's for certain. Whoever it was that decided that all US people should think of smokers as "subhuman", "poor victims of addiction", "unhealthy dolts who care about only themselves", etc. have sure done a good job of it.
And don't think for a minute that is has all that much to do with health. The numbers the zealots quote to "prove" their case are very inflated by politics and emotion. For instance...a person who smokes dies of a heart attack or cancer. That probably goes down as a "smoking related death" whether or not it's true. Many people die from both causes who never smoked or were even around smoke. But...there's a modicum of "scientific" evidence, and that justifies the intense attacks on smokers from all directions that have become relentless. 'Course, while we're fighting and bickering about the subject we're being distracted from the really bad stuff "they" are doing. Divide and conquer.
BTW....cigarettes are about $30 - 35 in California.
Such a pleasant day on the 'zed. So calming. So peaceful. So thoughtful.
W1GUH
06-03-2008, 10:55 PM
Anything that enables them to get a foot in your door they're ok with.
They probably want the money. In one of the economics courese I took, the instructor was talking about the efficiency of taxes. He cited the time when the British government decided that they'd raise cigarette tax sky-high to reduce the number of smokers (government telling us how to live?). What happened is nobody quit....the government made big bucks on the taxes.
No, the leaders don't give a hoot about our health. They care about the big bucks they can take from us.
Sales tax collection is very tightly enforced in TN because we have no state income tax. :D
Yeah, but you still have almost 10% sales tax in chattanooga.
When I visited Tennessee on business I usually bought my supplies in NJ and NY before I came down there, because of the outrageous sales tax.
We only have 7% in NJ, and on average we make more money than you guys down there.
Plus our gas is among the cheapest in the nation, thanks to a lower gasoline tax.
Plus friday nights aren't limited to the country bars or the mexican bars.
N4VGB
06-04-2008, 02:24 AM
When I visited Tennessee on business I usually bought my supplies in NJ and NY before I came down there, because of the outrageous sales tax.
Please come again, the sooner the better! :cool:
Smoking has been about the only vice I didn't try. I grew up with both parents hacking and blowing every morning, and the dirty ashtrays were just awful. I am not an anti-smoking person, but I certainly understand how addiction of any kind can grab you by the cods, so to speak. I've helped take out many cancerous lungs, and you ought to see them suckers. They are black, dense, heavy, and you can literally squeeze the tar right out of them like you would a sponge full of something. My Dad smoked unfiltered Pall Malls for nearly 60 years, and he didn't get lung cancer. He did have two strokes and a heart attack. I know people do get lung and heart disease who never smoked a cig in their lives, but I would bet large dollars the stats are weighted strongly the other way. I have inherited some lung problems from my Mom's side of the family, so it's good I never smoked cigarettes. It's not just cancer. My Mom had emphysema so bad it scared me to death. Some things are worse than cancer, and if you include those with emphysema in the cancer stats, the rates go up even higher.
I ain't braggin', actually I prefer the more exotic blends...;)
NA4BH
06-04-2008, 03:16 AM
Yeah, but you still have almost 10% sales tax in chattanooga.
When I visited Tennessee on business I usually bought my supplies in NJ and NY before I came down there, because of the outrageous sales tax.
We only have 7% in NJ, and on average we make more money than you guys down there.
Plus our gas is among the cheapest in the nation, thanks to a lower gasoline tax.
Plus friday nights aren't limited to the country bars or the mexican bars.
As far as Friday Night, where did you go? Chattanooga has one of the most diverse nightlifes anywhere. Just must have stayed around the Motel 6. Do you have, um say, 3000 square foot houses on 3 acres of land (or more) say for around $250,000? Probably not. Do you have mountains (I mean big ones) within about one hour drive? Do you have people that will stop what they are doing to help you in any way they can (not limited to: "Follow me, I will show you where it is)?These are just a few of the finer things about Chattanooga. Anything else?
k4kyv
06-04-2008, 03:34 AM
If you are addicted to tobacco, why pay any tax at all? It's simple enough to purchase some tobacco seeds at your local farmer's supply and grow your own in your own back garden. And it's completely legal. When the leaf begins to turn yellow in late summer, cut it off the plant and hang it in a dry place until it dries out and turns a golden brown. Then shred it with a spice mill, buy some Zig-Zag rolling papers and roll your own. Better still, smoke it in a pipe.
That way you know it's pure tobacco, unadulterated with synthetic chemicals or added nicotine, and absolutely tax free, and the total cost will be a fraction of that of store-bought cigarettes.
k4kyv
06-04-2008, 03:40 AM
There's nothing sexier than a hot chick smokin' a cig
I don't know anything that turns me off more. It's a real disappointment when I see a hot chick draggin' on a fag.
Please come again, the sooner the better! :cool:
I'll be there sometime soon again. I'll be sure to let you know exactly when and where. :rolleyes:
W4DFW
06-04-2008, 03:50 AM
I don't know anything that turns me off more. It's a real disappointment when I see a hot chick draggin' on a fag.
During my young single years, if I saw a hot chick smokin', I'd walk up to her and say, "Kissing a women who smokes is like licking an ash tray!"
Naturally, that would royally piss them off. But I'm allergic to smoke and the only way I'd ever have a gal in my car that smokes was if she promised to, er, well . . . but I digress.
Anyways, one time I pulled the same stunt, said the same thing and without missing a beat, the gal turned right to me and said, "I don't want you to kiss my mouth, I want you to kiss my ASS!"
I had to chalk one up for the gal. I think she posts here on the ZED sometimes too! :D
I never said that again to a lady . . .
N4VGB
06-04-2008, 04:04 AM
I'll be there sometime soon again. I'll be sure to let you know exactly when and where. :rolleyes:
Please be sure to do exactly that, your greeting will be one to remember. :cool:
As far as Friday Night, where did you go? Chattanooga has one of the most diverse nightlifes anywhere.
Compared to a large city like NYC? It pales in comparison. I've been there. It's just so bloody boring.
Just must have stayed around the Motel 6. Do you have, um say, 3000 square foot houses on 3 acres of land (or more) say for around $250,000? Probably not.
I live on 6 acres, about 3500 sq. ft home, and paid around $450k.
Combined my wife and I make >$200k, so we afford it easily. It's not like we have to suffer for work or break our backs either, or even drive 30 miles to work each way.
Do you have mountains (I mean big ones) within about one hour drive?
How big is big?
Within 15 minutes of my house, there's high point which is almost 2000ft ASL. (I live 800ft ASL).
You did say an hour's drive, so the catskills and mt. pocono (Each >4500ft)are also within reach, an hour or maybe more worth of driving, depending on traffic.
I'm amazed that you don't know that New York and Pennsylvania are home to some of the most picturesque areas on the country. Some parts are higher than say... Rich mountain in the great smoky mountains (I've been to the great smoky mountains in TN).
By the way we also have beaches and lighthouses (Jersey shore and Southern Connecticut), theme parks (six flags great adventure, hershey park etc), fishing (delaware river) and casinos (Atlantic City).
Do you have people that will stop what they are doing to help you in any way they can (not limited to: "Follow me, I will show you where it is)?
Absolutely. Have you ever been to New York or New Jersey or this area in general? I think you're getting carried away by the stereotypes on TV, and also being brainwashed by people who think that the South has everything and New York/New Jersey and surrounding areas have nothing to offer, that it is all like the South Bronx, Newark or Camden.
I've met so many nice people here, some of whom have helped me quite a lot and I've made lifelong friends here.
I have a feeling if you guys actually spend some time here you'll change your mind about a lot of things.
I used to think New York was the worst place in the world! I used to think that I'd get mugged in broad daylight, or that hookers would be on every streetcorner, that it would be filthy and polluted, and that it would be all concrete and nowhere for quiet recreation.
Then I actually came and lived in the place, and realized that there's a lot more to this area than you see on TV. Really.
These are just a few of the finer things about Chattanooga. Anything else?
Top universities? (not just one or two)
Museums?
Ethnic cuisine from literally anywhere in the world?
Street festivals?
Opportunities to grow your career?
Famous sports teams? (Go Giants!)
Conferences and trade shows?
Celebrities roaming the streets or even living in the same building you are?
Chinese food at 3AM? Pizza at 3AM? Delivered?
W4DFW
06-04-2008, 04:24 AM
Combined my wife and I make >$200k, so we afford it easily.
Paid more than that in taxes last year. I just can't WAIT till a Democrat get's in office! :rolleyes:
Top universities? (not just one or two)
Museums?
Ethnic cuisine from literally anywhere in the world?
Street festivals?
Opportunities to grow your career?
Famous sports teams? (Go Giants!)
Conferences and trade shows?
Celebrities roaming the streets or even living in the same building you are?
Chinese food at 3AM? Pizza at 3AM? Delivered?
I see you haven't been to Florida. BUT THAT'S OK!! Stay where you are! Nothing worse than some yokel Yankee complaining, "that ain't how we do it in New York!" :D
PS: You say you live in New York City on 6 acres in a 3500 sq ft home and paid $450,000? RIGHT!!
N4VGB
06-04-2008, 04:38 AM
Paid more than that in taxes last year.
Don't squash the Trinida Kids high opinion of himself! Yeah, you and I know at $200K yearly in the area that he lives, he's little better off than a pauper. But the kid thinks he's crapping in high cotton and doesn't even have to wipe! :rolleyes:
I've paid more than $200K for boats! :cool:
W4DFW
06-04-2008, 04:50 AM
Don't squash the Trinida Kids high opinion of himself! Yeah, you and I know at $200K yearly in the area that he lives, he's little better off than a pauper. But the kid thinks he's crapping in high cotton and doesn't even have to wipe! :rolleyes:
I've paid more than $200K for boats! :cool:
You're right. Sorry. But, hey, if I only made 200K a year, the LAST place in the WORLD I would live would be NYC. Which sort'a begs the question, WHY oh WHY do folks who make only 200K a year live there when they could have SO MUCH MORE in most every other part of the country?
The first house I bought I paid less than my wife's Jaguar. It was on about 1 acre just outside Atlanta. I sold it to a fellow from New York who thought he had just bought the Ponderosa!! I didn't have the heart to tell him he could find much larger lots for just a little more! :D
kc9jwa
06-04-2008, 04:51 AM
Thanks... I have 2 good friends that smoke. I wish they didn't smoke but they do. Still, they are both wonderful people. I try to judge people by who they are and not by what habits they may have, A person can drink, smoke, take drugs, I don't hold it against them. As long as they are decent people is what counts more than anything else.
I defintally agree , i know mnay who smoke drink i hope someday they quit if they can, i also manily am quitting for my husband and myself before he gets any worse with asthma i think anyway i go outside and smoke away from people that way they are safer to me and that helps.:)
W1GUH
06-04-2008, 05:08 AM
There's nothing sexier than a hot chick smokin' a cig :)
Rock on!!
I'm with you on that on all the way. I'm convinced it ( and even whether or not one someone smokes) is a genetic thing. You're either there, or not.
Enjoy the sightings!
N4VGB
06-04-2008, 05:14 AM
The first house I bought I paid less than my wife's Jaguar. It was on about 1 acre just outside Atlanta. I sold it to a fellow from New York who thought he had just bought the Ponderosa!! I didn't have the heart to tell him he could find much larger lots for just a little more! :D
Shhhh, several of my relatives in the Atlanta area cashed in on Yankee rubes fresh off the plane also. :D
Best one around here was the subdivision and sale of an old farm into "country estates", just north of me, a few miles upriver. The auction company chartered a plane from NYC for the rubes to fly down here and view/bid on the lots. All lots were indeed on year round deep water, just as the paperwork stated. Funny green markers on the bank didn't mean anything to the rubes and the opening bids per lot were more than the whole place was worth. So the plane load of NYC doctors and lawyers bought themselves some prime waterfront property that no boat docks could be buit on!!! Green markers on the bank means the bank drops straight off and marks the commercial navigation channel!!! Local bidders, myself included, enjoyed the free food & drinks and watching the show. :D
Paid more than that in taxes last year. I just can't WAIT till a Democrat get's in office! :rolleyes:
Good for you! I said MORE THAN 200k.
Noy everyone is a lawyer, and not everyone where you lives makes so much money. Thing is, far many more of us up here do. So on average even if I were to decide to do something else for a living, I would not have to take a serious cut in pay.
I see you haven't been to Florida. BUT THAT'S OK!! Stay where you are! Nothing worse than some yokel Yankee complaining, "that ain't how we do it in New York!" :D
Been to Florida many times. Outside of cities like Miami, everything closes by mid afternoon.
No kidding. I was in Tampa a couple weeks ago and everything closed up by 2PM! WTH? Even in my small 2 traffic light town stuff doesn't close until at least 10pm.
PS: You say you live in New York City on 6 acres in a 3500 sq ft home and paid $450,000? RIGHT!!
No, I don't live in the city. I live in New Jersey.
You're right. Sorry. But, hey, if I only made 200K a year, the LAST place in the WORLD I would live would be NYC. Which sort'a begs the question, WHY oh WHY do folks who make only 200K a year live there when they could have SO MUCH MORE in most every other part of the country?
Because there's more to do here. Every time I head down south it's extremely boring, because everything is either nonexistant or exactly the same.
Around here I can do lots of things, and there's at least some variety.
Furthermore, the average person down there does not make 200k/year! Most of them would be lucky to make even 50k.
The first house I bought I paid less than my wife's Jaguar. It was on about 1 acre just outside Atlanta. I sold it to a fellow from New York who thought he had just bought the Ponderosa!! I didn't have the heart to tell him he could find much larger lots for just a little more! :D
That was what, 30, 40 years ago? Today's market is unreal.
Last house we looked at before we bought this one was $350k on 10 acres. Problem was that it was on the wrong side of a hill, so facing Europe was going to be awful. But it was pretty nice, and backed a state nature preserve so I theoretically had a lot of room away from neighbors.
This house cost a little more, but came with a lot more and was on top of a hill. Great radio location, and with my contest scores, it shows. Also no HOA or restrictive CC&R's.
But the way Florida is going, everywhere you turn it's some restrictive CC&R. Pretty soon they'll tell you what time you can get up in the morning.
One of my cow-orkers who lives in the Tampa 'burbs tells me he got fined for keeping the newspaper in his driveway too long. Is that really how you guys live down there? I really want no part of it.
I have my house, my tower, horse barn (and horses coming), 6 acres and distance from neighbors. We also have a basement so we have three levels in our house. AFAIK basements are prohibited in Florida. I've never seen a house with one there.
Anyway, I'm glad you make so much money. God bless America and its endless lawsuits who keep you in business. :cool:
N9MOQ
06-04-2008, 01:50 PM
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Shhhh, several of my relatives in the Atlanta area cashed in on Yankee rubes fresh off the plane also. :D
Best one around here was the subdivision and sale of an old farm into "country estates", just north of me, a few miles upriver. The auction company chartered a plane from NYC for the rubes to fly down here and view/bid on the lots. All lots were indeed on year round deep water, just as the paperwork stated. Funny green markers on the bank didn't mean anything to the rubes and the opening bids per lot were more than the whole place was worth. So the plane load of NYC doctors and lawyers bought themselves some prime waterfront property that no boat docks could be buit on!!! Green markers on the bank means the bank drops straight off and marks the commercial navigation channel!!! Local bidders, myself included, enjoyed the free food & drinks and watching the show. :D
Yeah, I wonder why on earth some people leave this area to go somewhere where they aren't welcome and where job opportunities are far less and pay is far lower.
Yeah, I wonder why on earth some people leave this area to go somewhere where they aren't welcome and where job opportunities are far less and pay is far lower.
In a word...elbow room!!! You know you're far enough out in the sticks when you can take a leak off your front porch and not worry about being seen.
Also, in those areas the cost of living is generally lower. You've got your 6 acres, which is a nice sized piece of dirt for your area. I'm on 40 acres, 2500 sq. ft. house...and I paid less than 1/2 what you did. Lets me run 10-12 horses and still get 30 tons of hay off the place in spite of the full time grazing. Once you have your horses, you'll be buying hay year round. My nearest neighbors are 1/4 mile away in 2 directions, the other 2 are well over 2 miles away. Best of all is when it gets dark, it's REALLY dark, not some kind of pseudo twilight from city glow.
In a word...elbow room!!! You know you're far enough out in the sticks when you can take a leak off your front porch and not worry about being seen.
I'm not so sure they care about elbow room. A lot of these people I know who moved down south moved into cookie cutter subdivisions with draconian HOAs.
Also, in those areas the cost of living is generally lower. You've got your 6 acres, which is a nice sized piece of dirt for your area. I'm on 40 acres, 2500 sq. ft. house...and I paid less than 1/2 what you did. Lets me run 10-12 horses and still get 30 tons of hay off the place in spite of the full time grazing. Once you have your horses, you'll be buying hay year round. My nearest neighbors are 1/4 mile away in 2 directions, the other 2 are well over 2 miles away. Best of all is when it gets dark, it's REALLY dark, not some kind of pseudo twilight from city glow.
See that's the thing though. Very few professions will give you the ability to move there and keep a high income.
I did the math both ways and over here I come out better.
I have no desire to own 10-12 horses. That's a lot of work! I would rather have two - one for me, one for the XYL.
Only because of where I live, my closest neighbors are 400-500 feet away, but most places in my town is exactly like you describe.
It also gets pretty dark where I live. You see a night sky full of stars, instead of the city glow.
However, we're straying from the point. Most people who move down there don't care for all of that. They want a lower cost of living and don't want to deal with winter. Problem is when all of them move down there, cost of living goes up, and their income goes down compared to living in the Northeast.
n2ize
06-04-2008, 06:18 PM
I'm not so sure they care about elbow room. A lot of these people I know who moved down south moved into cookie cutter subdivisions with draconian HOAs.
See that's the thing though. Very few professions will give you the ability to move there and keep a high income.
I did the math both ways and over here I come out better.
I have no desire to own 10-12 horses. That's a lot of work! I would rather have two - one for me, one for the XYL.
Only because of where I live, my closest neighbors are 400-500 feet away, but most places in my town is exactly like you describe.
It also gets pretty dark where I live. You see a night sky full of stars, instead of the city glow.
However, we're straying from the point. Most people who move down there don't care for all of that. They want a lower cost of living and don't want to deal with winter. Problem is when all of them move down there, cost of living goes up, and their income goes down compared to living in the Northeast.
A lot of eldely people on pensions retire to the south. Many find they no longer need, or want, the services that the big towns provide. So they get themselves a condo or a nice house within walking distance of the beach. The winters are mild, no snow to contend with, it's more laid back, and generally quite pleasant. Moving to the south does have its advantages. I saw some beautiful places not far from the ocean that afforded beautiful scenic ocean views, nearby golf courses (if you like golf), tennis courts, and plenty of elbow room to spare, and nice resturants. Not a bad life, walk along the ocean after breakfast, relax on the beach, do some boating, fishing, or whatever you enjoy. Dixieland is not a bad place, in many ways I would not mind living down there.
Of course there are disadvantages, hurricanes, hot humid weather, etc. But what place does have perfect weather ?
Me personally, I like the crowded fast paced city life. For me the big city is the place to be. It's where I was born, raised, and where I'd like to stay. But, who knows, when I'm in my mid-late 60's and retired I may feel different. Right now I say I like the crowds, the hustle and bustle and I never want to retire. But a decade or so I may see things differently and the south has many nice places should I decide I want to retire to a different style of living.
The way I see it any place you live is as good or bad as you want it to be. When I was on vacation in the south I was bored stiff for the first few days. "What the heck can I do in this place ?" was going through my head as I contemplated cutting the vacation short and heading back to New York. Then I said to myself, let's go outside and see what this place has to offer. I met plenty of nice friendly people, and found there were a lot of differennt and interesting things to do and see. It was different than what I am used to hear in NYC. But I certainly was not disappointed.
The way I see it any place you live is as good or bad as you want it to be.
Yup, very true. Also, it doesn't matter where you live...SOMETHING about it will suck. You just have to pick the suck you can live with.
Yup, very true. Also, it doesn't matter where you live...SOMETHING about it will suck. You just have to pick the suck you can live with.
Exactly. So tell that to some people in this thread who think that big cities all suck and small towns are the only place to enjoy life!
Exactly. So tell that to some people in this thread who think that big cities all suck and small towns are the only place to enjoy life!
I believe I just did...:)
W4DFW
06-04-2008, 09:17 PM
Been to Florida many times. Outside of cities like Miami, everything closes by mid afternoon.
No kidding. I was in Tampa a couple weeks ago and everything closed up by 2PM!
So you LIKE Miami?? That would be the problem. They are certifiably the rudest drivers in the country according to a recent poll. Nothing WORSE than having to go to Miami.
So everything closes at 2PM in Tampa?? Exactly WHAT are you talking about? That's the most idiotic statement I've seen from you in some time.
RJ, it's post like this that give you a bad reputation as someone who thinks he knows better than everyone else what's up. You're 29 years old and you think NYC is the best place in the world. Good for you!
We do our best to keep the better parts of the South a secret 'cuz there is nothing worse than some uppity Yankee moving South and trying to turn it into NYC. I've been to NYC many times. You can HAVE it!
As far as making more money up there . . . SURE you do. You HAVE to because the standard of living is so much higher. Ever try and get an apartment in downtown Manhattan?? For that matter, ever just want to hop in your car and drive downtown for some fun?? Better do a lot of planning, where the fun is, where the garage is, how much money it's gonna cost to park, etc etc. No such worries down here.
Sorry . . . gotta go. Some good DX just came over my Icom 7800 hooked to my PW-1 amplifier. Oh, did I mention that we just finished digging the base for my 89 foot crank up US Tower for my 4 ele StepIR and 2 ele 40 meter beam? Gosh I so wanted the monster StepIR, but code requirements 'ya know? My neighbor (http://www.chickcorea.com/) down the street sends his best. Maybe the next time you're down this way, we can all get together and jam a bit?
Shall I pick up up in my Lexus?
http://www.lexus.com/lexus-share/images/gallery/models/SC/photos/exterior/g_ext11.jpg
Or, would you prefer to ride in my wife's Jag?
http://www.jaguarusa.com/us/en/xk/gallery/photography_69641012-17F6-453E-8998-D72F3D53E340.jpg
I'm sure someone of your refined taste will appreciate luxury when you see it.
Your friend.
...................Bob
N4VGB
06-04-2008, 09:26 PM
So everything closes at 2PM in Tampa?? Exactly WHAT are you talking about? That's the most idiotic statement I've seen from you in some time.
I would add that one to his list of such statements, but one ream of paper is enough! :rolleyes:
So everything closes at 2PM in Tampa?? Exactly WHAT are you talking about? That's the most idiotic statement I've seen from you in some time.
All of the restaurants and bars close up shop early in the day, except on Thursday, Friday and Saturday they open late because of the weekend crowd.
RJ, it's post like this that give you a bad reputation as someone who thinks he knows better than everyone else what's up. You're 29 years old and you think NYC is the best place in the world. Good for you!
Ah, but you're over the hill and think that Florida of all places (home to hurricanes, mosquitoes and alligators) is the best place to live.
We do our best to keep the better parts of the South a secret 'cuz there is nothing worse than some uppity Yankee moving South and trying to turn it into NYC. I've been to NYC many times. You can HAVE it!
No problemo. We like to keep people of your caliber down in the swamp where they belong. :)
As far as making more money up there . . . SURE you do. You HAVE to because the standard of living is so much higher.
So you DO admit the standard of living is higher here? By golly, there's hope for you after all!
Ever try and get an apartment in downtown Manhattan??
Lived in Manhattan from 2000-2003.
For that matter, ever just want to hop in your car and drive downtown for some fun??
Been there, done that many times.
Besides, smart people don't drive in the city. Only idiots who want to show off their fast flashy cars (parked in traffic). The rest of us walk or take the subway. Even billionaire Mike Bloomberg rides the train. Fastest way to get around anywhere in the city, and only $2 per ride. Heck, that won't even buy you a gallon of gas!
Better do a lot of planning, where the fun is, where the garage is, how much money it's gonna cost to park, etc etc. No such worries down here.
No worries here either, because we have reliable transit options. No such thing in Florida. Car in the shop? Park your butt at home! Had a few too many drinks? Wait for a cab and pay outrageous cab fare, or have someone else drive your fancy car home! No thanks. I'd rather take the train, get home in one piece, avoid drunk drivers, road rage and stress associated with driving.
Not to mention $4/gallon gas.
Sorry . . . gotta go. Some good DX just came over my Icom 7800 hooked to my PW-1 amplifier. Oh, did I mention that we just finished digging the base for my 89 foot crank up US Tower for my 4 ele StepIR and 2 ele 40 meter beam? Gosh I so wanted the monster StepIR, but code requirements 'ya know?
Uh oh... Poor mikey. I'd just thought I'd tell you that you were right about the MonstIR. It is absolutely wonderful. I have one, and by the way, it fits just fine with code requirements in NJ because we don't have any hurricanes.
By the way, I climb my own tower. The view is pretty nice from up there.
http://www.qrz.com/hampix/j/r/n2rj.1209055216.jpg
Honestly you can keep your idiotic building codes and HOAs that seem to be getting stricter and stricter in Florida.
My neighbor (http://www.chickcorea.com/) down the street sends his best. Maybe the next time you're down this way, we can all get together and jam a bit?
I have no idea who that is. We only have relatively unknown celebrities like Madonna, Jennifer Lopez, P-Diddy, LL Cool J.
By the way, next time I see your friend Sean Hannity I'll be sure to say hi. Hint, he lives in the New York area too! By the way we work at the same place, FWIW.
Shall I pick up up in my Lexus?
Hahahaha. That's not YOUR lexus.
Or, would you prefer to ride in my wife's Jag?
Is that your wife's car? I never knew you were a fan of gay marriage (hint, that's a MAN driving that car!)
I'm sure someone of your refined taste will appreciate luxury when you see it.
Yeah, we only have poor people like Donald Trump and Michael Bloomberg living in New York. All of the real rich folks like that guy with a wifebeater shirt and all of the people who work at wally world on live in Florida... :D
I would add that one to his list of such statements, but one ream of paper is enough! :rolleyes:
Last time I was there, the restaurants and all of the fine eating places closed at mid afternoon. Downtown Tampa was literally dead. I could stand up in the middle of the street and no one would be there.
N4VGB
06-04-2008, 10:01 PM
No problemo. We like to keep people of your caliber down in the swamp where they belong. :)
What caliber do you prefer, I can offer anything from .22 to .50 in several variations? :):):)
What caliber do you prefer, I can offer anything from .22 to .50 in several variations? :):):)
More threats from you Dilmus?
W1GUH
06-04-2008, 10:16 PM
During my young single years, if I saw a hot chick smokin', I'd walk up to her and say, "Kissing a women who smokes is like licking an ash tray!"
Naturally, that would royally piss them off. But I'm allergic to smoke and the only way I'd ever have a gal in my car that smokes was if she promised to, er, well . . . but I digress.
Anyways, one time I pulled the same stunt, said the same thing and without missing a beat, the gal turned right to me and said, "I don't want you to kiss my mouth, I want you to kiss my ASS!"
I had to chalk one up for the gal. I think she posts here on the ZED sometimes too! :D
I never said that again to a lady . . .
During my young single years, if I saw a hot chick smokin', I'd walk up to her and say, "Kissing a women who smokes is like licking an ash tray!"
And what, specifically, made you think that was a proper thing to do? Since you had to "walk up to her" to say it, the other, much much more proper thing to do would to have just walked away. Guess you don't believe in "live and let live." I'd say your behavior in those cases was about as low as it can go. I really, really doubt that you had any right at all to do that.
Or maybe you were conditioned by the commercial, or PSA, or whatever that you "stole" that line from?
N4VGB
06-04-2008, 10:18 PM
More threats from you Dilmus?
Not at all there Ryan old boy. You mentioned caliber and I just wondered what your preference might be? :):):)
Of course, if your a shotgunner, .410 to 10 gauge is also available? :):):)
W4DFW
06-04-2008, 10:18 PM
Last time I was there, the restaurants and all of the fine eating places closed at mid afternoon. Downtown Tampa was literally dead. I could stand up in the middle of the street and no one would be there.
Ah.
NOW I see the problem. Your experience outside NYC appears minimal. Anyone who lives down here realizes that the "City" is only where we work. After business hours, we all move out to the 'burbs where the party begins. Much more elbow room in the 'burbs. The only thing downtown after business hours are roaches and ignorant Yankees. They seem to get along just swell.
Sorry you didn't like the cars. Of course I didn't post an EXACT picture because I don't have one and it's so much easier to link to one on the web. If you're nice, I might let you drive the Lexus. I can't speak for the Jag as that's my wife's car and she has a distinct dislike of Yankees.
So Madonna lives down the street from you?? Cool. What's that address again??
Not at all there Ryan old boy. You mentioned caliber and I just wondered what your preference might be? :):):)
Of course, if your a shotgunner, .410 to 10 gauge is also available? :):):)
Okay good! As long as you behave yourself.
So for a nice hunting shotgun, what would you recommend?
W4DFW
06-04-2008, 10:22 PM
And what, specifically, made you think that was a proper thing to do?
Where did I say it was proper?? It was a stupid thing to do that was fun when I was young and stupid.
Sort'a like most of your replies here on the 'ZED. What makes *YOU* think they are proper, anyway?? :confused:
W1GUH
06-04-2008, 10:27 PM
Where did I say it was proper?? It was a stupid thing to do that was fun when I was young and stupid.
Sort'a like most of your replies here on the 'ZED. What makes *YOU* think they are proper, anyway?? :confused:
The first sentence....very cool reply. The last sentence took away all the "good". :p
Ah.
NOW I see the problem. Your experience outside NYC appears minimal. Anyone who lives down here realizes that the "City" is only where we work. After business hours, we all move out to the 'burbs where the party begins. Much more elbow room in the 'burbs. The only thing downtown after business hours are roaches and ignorant Yankees. They seem to get along just swell.
My mom and brother live in Dltona, my brother just graduated from UF. I visit at least once per year, usually more. I haven't really seen any party action in the 'burbs either.
We're not talking about the mall or applebee's or anything like that.
I'm talking about a good nightclub or even a casino, like we have in Atlantic City NJ or Las Vegas.
Do you guys have Broadway down there?
Sorry you didn't like the cars. Of course I didn't post an EXACT picture because I don't have one and it's so much easier to link to one on the web. If you're nice, I might let you drive the Lexus. I can't speak for the Jag as that's my wife's car and she has a distinct dislike of Yankees.
Driven Lexuses many times, they're OK but far too common. I'd rather drive something more exotic like a Lambo, Maserati or even a Porsche. I almost bought a BMW Z5 a couple years ago, but didn't like the bad rep Euro cars were getting. So I ended up choosing a Honda Accord. Basic transportation was all I needed. You know, I'm saving my money and investing it so I can retire early.
BY the way, keep driving the Lexus and the Jag and filling it up with $4/gallon gas. Energy futures are doing great and make GREAT investments in today's investment climate.
So Madonna lives down the street from you?? Cool. What's that address again??
Madonna does NOT live down the street from me. She has an apartment in New York, as do many other celebrities.
By the way, why can't you put up a MonstIR again? I had zero problems putting up mine. The town granted a building permit fairly quickly, and the inspector was pretty friendly.
N4VGB
06-04-2008, 10:33 PM
Madonna does NOT live down the street from me. She has an apartment in New York, as do many other celebrities.
I suppose she has to live somewhere!? Thanks for keeping her in you neighborhood! :D
I suppose she has to live somewhere!? Thanks for keeping her in you neighborhood! :D
I doubt most celebrities, apart from country singers and the like want to live in the south.
They want to live the high life, so they live in New York, L.A. and London.
N4VGB
06-04-2008, 10:40 PM
Okay good! As long as you behave yourself.
So for a nice hunting shotgun, what would you recommend?
Unfortunately, due to your self stated fragility in another thread, a .410 would be your only option. We usually start the youngsters with such at about the age of 8-10 yo, should work for you. :D:D:D
N4VGB
06-04-2008, 10:41 PM
I doubt most celebrities, apart from country singers and the like want to live in the south.
LOL!!! You would probably be shocked!!! :D:D:D
Taxing statistics......
http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/topic/46.html
ka5row
06-05-2008, 04:31 AM
:p A good thing about high cigarette taxes is, maybe some will quit and not stink up there ham radio equipment.
W1GUH
06-05-2008, 05:45 AM
:p A good thing about high cigarette taxes is, maybe some will quit and not stink up there ham radio equipment.
About as thoughtful a comment as someone commenting on the latest American Idol.
n2ize
06-05-2008, 06:10 AM
I'm with you on that on all the way. I'm convinced it ( and even whether or not one someone smokes) is a genetic thing. You're either there, or not.
Enjoy the sightings!
I have a friend who finds hot women smoking very attractive. matter of fact lots of guys do. There are entire websites devoted to that "hobby".
Smoking is a matter of choice. If someone choses to smoke that is there choice. Most smokers that I know are always very considerate of people who may not like the smoke. They always ask permission before they light up in my house, car, boat, etc.
I don;t understand why people are so down on smokers. Probably the divide and conquer mentality thats everywhere these days.
I myself was a tobacco user. I have smoked cigarettes, cigars, pipes, and my favorite type of tobacco...chewing tobacco. For reasons of health concern I chose to quit tobacco. But quitting was my personal choice. Not because some anti-smoking person pushed their morality on me.
I support peoples choice and right to smoke tobacco, to consume alcohol, smoke marijuana or use drugs. All these things are personal choices that are up to the individual. The moralists and the lawmakers should butt out (no pun intended) of peoples lives.
kc9jwa
06-05-2008, 09:18 PM
The first sentence....very cool reply. The last sentence took away all the "good". :p
Yep young and doing stupid stuff is fun like goin out on the ledge not litterly.:D I probably do many dumb things doubti really regret it.:)
W4DFW
06-05-2008, 09:30 PM
By the way, why can't you put up a MonstIR again? I had zero problems putting up mine. The town granted a building permit fairly quickly, and the inspector was pretty friendly.
I didn't say I couldn't put one up. I chose not to. My situation requires a crank-up tower. The added size and weight of the monster would have added a whole lot of expense with little bang to get the antenna up almost 100 feet. I will have 2 ele on 40 anyway and I don't really care about having a beam on 30 meters. Raising a 40 meter beam from 50 - 60 feet up to 100 feet helps tremendously on that band. Having the antenna up high was more important than having the ability to tune the antenna on 40.
If I was in the country with a few acres of land, the monster would be fine as I wouldn't worry about putting up a crank-up and could save a lot of money. As such, the heavy duty tower I have is over $16,000. A crank-up to 90 feet that would support the monster would simply not be worth the added expense.
...............Bob
N9MOQ
06-05-2008, 09:58 PM
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kc9jwa
06-06-2008, 10:46 PM
I tell you something i am a woman i do smoke and all guys that i know of love it, its like hey im not the only one, i might need one i might be bored, many reasons, do they find it sexy im sure most do cause shes hot and shes smoking.:D I met one guy honestly that did not like the taste but he defintally didnt find me less attractive. I think socitey picks on small things on humans weather hes hot enough, or she drives a truck,, trucks are for anyone. So when society haves this image to look at these small issues and humans of course some anyway look it that way , well i think thats why alot of us woman and men cant stand that immaturity . I aint bashing anyway im just saying.:)
I didn't say I couldn't put one up. I chose not to. My situation requires a crank-up tower. The added size and weight of the monster would have added a whole lot of expense with little bang to get the antenna up almost 100 feet. I will have 2 ele on 40 anyway and I don't really care about having a beam on 30 meters. Raising a 40 meter beam from 50 - 60 feet up to 100 feet helps tremendously on that band. Having the antenna up high was more important than having the ability to tune the antenna on 40.
If I was in the country with a few acres of land, the monster would be fine as I wouldn't worry about putting up a crank-up and could save a lot of money. As such, the heavy duty tower I have is over $16,000. A crank-up to 90 feet that would support the monster would simply not be worth the added expense.
...............Bob
Well, Bob:
Gosh I so wanted the monster StepIR, but code requirements 'ya know?
I dunno exactly what ya mean by that, but whatever.
By the way MonstIR has been absolutely KILLER on 40m. Pileup busting and receive signal is great.
I don't like crankup towers. To me they're like an accident waiting to happen. Plus I have no idea how to put hardline on them.
W4DFW
06-07-2008, 05:02 AM
I dunno exactly what ya mean by that, but whatever.
Simply check the difference in the requirements for an 89 foot crank-up tower that will support 15 sq ft of antenna at 130 lbs verses 26 sq feet and some 250 lbs and you will see a $$$$$$$ difference.
That price is not worth the difference in having the monster that will tune to a nice SWR but provide nothing more that will be noticeable in the way of forward gain or front-to-back ratio over a standard 2 ele 40 mtr beam.
I would MUCH rather have a standard 2 ele 40 mtr at nearly 100 feet than a StepIR monster at 65 feet. Height of a 40 mtr beam is MUCH more important than being able to adjust the SWR from 1.6 to 1 to 1.1 to 1.
But . . . to EACH his OWN, OK?? ;)
N4VGB
06-07-2008, 05:19 AM
Plus I have no idea how to put hardline on them.
Indeed, that's because you've probably never even touched a piece of "hardline". :rolleyes:
I presume you've misapplied the term to heliax? :)
KC2TAU
06-07-2008, 05:38 AM
Good on NYS. I'm glad there is a huge tax on cigarettes. I've seen WAY too many relatives die a miserable death by cigarettes. To all of those who thinking smoking a pack a day is something cool then have fun on your death bed.
W4DFW
06-07-2008, 05:46 AM
Indeed, that's because you've probably never even touched a piece of "hardline". :rolleyes:
I presume you've misapplied the term to heliax? :)
I wasn't going to say anything. After all, RJ is the KING!! :rolleyes:
N4VGB
06-07-2008, 06:46 AM
I wasn't going to say anything. After all, RJ is the KING!! :rolleyes:
Hardline would make an interesting amateur installation! More money invested in the line than the rest of the station! :eek:
New York is a great state all around. A beautiful state with such diversity, From the beautiful sandy shores of the Atlantic, to the largest wildreness area east of the Mississippi i.e. the majestic Adirondack mountains in all their splendour and pristine beauty, to one of the biggest and most famous and prestigious cities in all the world. Just think of it. NYC has some of the finest schools and colleges, not to mention research libraries, museams, multiculturall diversity, fine resturants, all types of dwellings from beautiful old brownstones to hi rise apartments, to penthouse suites, to affordable rent controlled buildings, we've got em all. And not to mention Broadway... matter of fact when I get off work early this Friday I'll be heading up to my apartment and then I''ll be picking up the YL taking her out to dine on some fine east Indian cuisine and then to an off-Broadway showing followed by an interesting film review. Since the weather is to be nice and mild on the weekend I might even take an early trip out to the shore over the weekend.
Life is indeed good here. I wouldn't trade it for anyplace else.
Been to Rochester - downtown? Downtown Buffalo or Syracuse or Albany? I've lived in several states and in several cities, and these were by far the most economically depressed and crime-ridden places I ever spent much time in. OK, Detroit was similar.
NYC is unique, but a lot of those upstate cities are hurting really, really bad. Unfortunate but true.
I agree on the natural beauty, though - there's a lot of it. But boy am I glad to be back west, even if I'm in California. :) New York times 1000 can't compete with the natural wonders of the western US/Canada.
kg4kww
06-08-2008, 05:14 AM
I want you people to smoke it's good for you. :D
n2ize
06-08-2008, 05:20 AM
Been to Rochester - downtown? Downtown Buffalo or Syracuse or Albany? I've lived in several states and in several cities, and these were by far the most economically depressed and crime-ridden places I ever spent much time in. OK, Detroit was similar.
NYC is unique, but a lot of those upstate cities are hurting really, really bad. Unfortunate but true.
Yet when you look at crime stats you find that NYS as a whole still maintains a lower crime rate than many other states with towns similar to Buffalo, Gloverville, Poughkeepsie, Utica, Schenectady, Rochester, etc.
Places like Rochester, Buffalo, parts of Albany are undergoing the same hardship as many smaller ex-industrial cities are undergoing throughout the country/ They are areas which once thrived on manufacturing and related industry.When those industries up and left there was no equivalently sized employer to come in and fill the void. Some of them , such as Buffalo.have tried to re-organize themselves as tourist cities and have met with limited success. Others have revived themselves in other ways and to a greater or lesser degree.
I don't know how long ago you were in Rochester or Albany but from my recent visits to some of the colleges in and around those towns afforded me the opportunity to drive around quite a bit and explore the area and I didn't see any particular signs of a serious or necessarily dangerous crime problem. Yes, there are some bad areas where there is undoubtedly crime but at the same time many areas of Rochester and Albany seem to have undergone a revival since the loss of some of the industry in those areas. I saw mostly college students and working people, some fortunate enough to work nearby others commuting to other areas. Not much different than anywhere else IMHO.
I don't have the stats handy at the moment but they are easily obtained online via the DOJ.
I agree on the natural beauty, though - there's a lot of it. But boy am I glad to be back west, even if I'm in California. :) New York times 1000 can't compete with the natural wonders of the western US/Canada.
That's a relative opinion. Talk to many a native Adirondackers who have left New York for "greener pastures" and many of them will tell you that they couldn't wait to come back home. While I'll admit that NY is not as vast as California or Canada it still offers incredible diversity, a wonderfully temperate climate all within relatively close proximity of each other. I can be on boating, swimming, or fishing on the Atlantic or sunbathing on the beach one minute, then hop into my car and within an hour and a half be in the beautiful pristine Catskill mountains and still get home in time for dinner at a Park Avenue resturant and afterwards take in a Broadway show. If I want to venture a bit further out a 4.5 to 5.0 hour drive from Manhattan will put me in the middle of the pristine Boreal forests of the Adirondack mountains. No, certainly not the tallest mountains in the world but very beautiful nonetheless. Beautiful pristine blue lakes surrounded by lush mountains countless rivers and streams it's one of the largest unspoiled pristine wilderness areas to be found east of the Mississippi. As big and vast as California or Alaska or portions of Canada? No. But during the course of the year you'll find many a Canadian vacationing in the Adirondacks as well as other parts of the state.
n2ize
06-08-2008, 05:24 AM
I want you people to smoke it's good for you. :D
You know, the Grim Reaper said the exact same thing when I met him in the basement lounge of a funeral parlor one evening. As I was talking with him there were a bunch of people sitting and puffing away and he said sarcastically as he called out to them... "go ahead...smoke your dumb heads off...I can use the extra work". The Grim Reaper is an interesting character.. He's got one heck of a good sense of humor.
KC2TAU
06-08-2008, 06:20 AM
Been to Rochester - downtown? Downtown Buffalo or Syracuse or Albany? I've lived in several states and in several cities, and these were by far the most economically depressed and crime-ridden places I ever spent much time in. OK, Detroit was similar.
NYC is unique, but a lot of those upstate cities are hurting really, really bad. Unfortunate but true.
I agree on the natural beauty, though - there's a lot of it. But boy am I glad to be back west, even if I'm in California. :) New York times 1000 can't compete with the natural wonders of the western US/Canada.
I'm a resident of Troy, New York and Troy and Albany have been undergoing a slow but steady renaissance over the past 10 years. There are bad parts of each city for sure but they're just as bad as any other town's bad parts. I'm certainly proud as hell to live where I do. If you do ever come back be sure to look around and really try and find things. I'm not trying to call you out and say you didn't but the upstate towns and cities have things to do but they don't quite jump out as you as loudly as they do in larger cities.
kc9jwa
06-08-2008, 06:14 PM
:rolleyes::rolleyes:You know, the Grim Reaper said the exact same thing when I met him in the basement lounge of a funeral parlor one evening. As I was talking with him there were a bunch of people sitting and puffing away and he said sarcastically as he called out to them... "go ahead...smoke your dumb heads off...I can use the extra work". The Grim Reaper is an interesting character.. He's got one heck of a good sense of humor.
Oh i love smoking it is so good for me oh the wonderful death stick. lol:D:p:) I love it a place you can joke and no one takes it seriously, least that way i dont get in trouble by the ham police.:eek::rolleyes:
New York State is a wonderful state -- agressive gun bands and controls, yet, they seem content to tax items (like cigarettes) that have been proven to kill more people than most guns.................
If they were so concerned over human life, wouldn't they simply ban cigarettes too???
New York State is a wonderful state -- agressive gun bands and controls, yet, they seem content to tax items (like cigarettes) that have been proven to kill more people than most guns.................
If they were so concerned over human life, wouldn't they simply ban cigarettes too???
It may surprise you to learn that not one single death has ever been "proven" to have resulted from cigarettes, save for a few people that have bought it lighting up next to a gas leak. All these tobacco "deaths" are simply statistical.
http://www.data-yard.net/science/active_smoking/smoking_does_not_cause_lung_cancer.pdf
http://www.forces.org
A dead body with a bullet in the head is quite another story. That is a real death, with a plainly obvious cause. The question is if the availability of guns needs to be restricted.
I think the fellow in Japan did quite a job of mass murder with just a knife. Should we ban knives, too?
New York, along with all the other states, have discovered that they can make zillions by taxing cigarettes, booze, and other items. It's not about health, and never was. They will milk smokers all they can for $ as long as they can, then move on to the next target.
One can say their motives were a bit more pure with the gun controls. They saw a real threat and acted on it. They acted wrongly, IMHO, but at least they had real dead bodies attributable to firearms.
W1GUH
06-09-2008, 06:45 AM
It may surprise you to learn that not one single death has ever been "proven" to have resulted from cigarettes, save for a few people that have bought it lighting up next to a gas leak. All these tobacco "deaths" are simply statistical.
http://www.data-yard.net/science/active_smoking/smoking_does_not_cause_lung_cancer.pdf
http://www.forces.org
A dead body with a bullet in the head is quite another story. That is a real death, with a plainly obvious cause. The question is if the availability of guns needs to be restricted.
I think the fellow in Japan did quite a job of mass murder with just a knife. Should we ban knives, too?
New York, along with all the other states, have discovered that they can make zillions by taxing cigarettes, booze, and other items. It's not about health, and never was. They will milk smokers all they can for $ as long as they can, then move on to the next target.
One can say their motives were a bit more pure with the gun controls. They saw a real threat and acted on it. They acted wrongly, IMHO, but at least they had real dead bodies attributable to firearms.
Yes, and add to that the fact that if a person dies from a heart attack or lung cancer and happend to have smoked, it goes down as a "smoking related death" with absolute no proof that it was the smoking that caused the malady. It's conveniently forgotten that lots of people who never smoked die of lung cancer and heart attacks.
Yep, it's all statistical. It's certainly not good for you, but, it's nowhere near as bad as "they" (and I still don't know who "they" are here...) say. There's much, much more morality, politics, and emotion going on here than science.
Again, divide and conquer.