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KG4JYD
06-01-2008, 06:23 AM
Ron Paul's forces quietly plot GOP convention revolt against McCain (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/ronpaulgop.html)

Virtually all the nation's political attention in recent weeks has focused on the compelling state-by-state presidential nomination struggle between two Democrats and the potential for party-splitting strife over there.


But in the meantime, quietly, largely under the radar of most people, the forces of Rep. Ron Paul (http://topics.latimes.com/politics/people/ron-paul) have been organizing across the country to stage an embarrassing public revolt against Sen. John McCain (http://topics.latimes.com/politics/people/john-mccain) when Republicans gather for their national convention in Minnesota at the beginning of September.


Paul's presidential candidacy has been correctly dismissed all along in terms of winning the nomination. He was even excluded as irrelevant by Fox News from a nationally-televised GOP debate in New Hampshire.


But what's been largely overlooked is Paul's candidacy as a reflection of a powerful lingering dissatisfaction with the Arizona senator among the party's most conservative conservatives. As anticipated in late March in The Ticket (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/03/bobbarrruns.html), that situation could be exacerbated by today's expected announcement from former Republican Rep. Bob Barr of Georgia for the Libertarian Party's presidential nod, a slot held by Paul in 1988.
Never mind Ralph Nader (http://topics.latimes.com/politics/people/ralph-nader), Republican and Democratic parties both face ...

... potentially damaging internal splits that could cripple their chances for victory in a narrow vote on Nov. 4.


Just take a look at recent Republican primary results, largely overlooked because McCain locked up the necessary 1,191 delegates long ago. In Indiana, McCain got 77% of the recent Republican primary vote, Mike Huckabee (http://topics.latimes.com/politics/people/mike-huckabee) and Mitt Romney (http://topics.latimes.com/politics/people/mitt-romney), who've each long ago quit and endorsed McCain, still got 10% and 5% respectively, while Paul took 8%.


On the same May 6 in North Carolina, McCain received less than three-quarters of Republican votes (74%), while Huckabee got 12%, Paul 7% and Alan Keyes and No Preference took a total of 7%.


Pennsylvania was even slightly worse for the GOP's presumptive nominee, who got only 73% to a combined 27% for Paul (16%) and Huckabee (11%).


As Politico.com's Jonathan Martin noted recently (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10220.html), at least some of these results are temporary protest votes in meaningless primaries built on lingering affection for Huckabee and suspicion of McCain.


Given the long-since settled GOP race, thousands of other Republicans in these states, who might have put up with a McCain vote, crossed over to vote in the more exciting Democratic primaries, on their own for Sen. Barack Obama (http://topics.latimes.com/politics/people/barack-obama) or at the urging of talk-show host Rush Limbaugh, who sought (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/rushlimbaugh-1.html) to support Hillary Clinton (http://topics.latimes.com/politics/people/hillary-rodham-clinton) and prolong Democratic bloodletting.


According to a recent Boston Globe tally (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/05/09/infighting_rains_on_mccains_party/?page=full), Paul has a grand total of 19 Republican delegates to Romney's 260, Huckabee's 286 and McCain's 1,413.
In the last three months, Paul's forces, who donated $34.5 million to his White House effort and upward of a million total votes, have, as The Ticket has noted (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/04/ronpaul.html), been fighting a series of guerrilla battles with party establishment officials at county and state conventions from Washington and Missouri to Maine and Mississippi. Their goal: to take control of local committees, boost their delegate totals and influence platform debates.


Paul, for instance, favors a drastically reduced federal government, abolishing the Federal Reserve, ending the Iraq war immediately and withdrawing U.S. troops from abroad.
They hope to demonstrate their disagreements with McCain vocally at the convention through platform fights and an attempt to get Paul a prominent speaking slot. Paul, who's running unopposed in his home Texas district for an 11th House term, still has some $5 million in war funds and has instructed his followers that their struggle is not about a single election, but a long-term revolution for control of the Republican Party.


So eager are they to follow their leader's words, that Paul's supporters have driven his new book, "The Revolution: A Manifesto," (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/ron-paul-politi.html) to the top of several bestseller lists.


While Paul has consistently refused a third-party bid, he has vowed not to endorse McCain, a refusal mirrored by hundreds of his supporters who have left comments on The Ticket in recent weeks. And, no doubt, they'll flock back here today to spread the gospel below.

N7RJD
06-01-2008, 07:15 AM
It's not looking all that quiet to me.

KG4JYD
06-01-2008, 04:30 PM
It's not looking all that quiet to me.Have you heard about it on the news?

N4VGB
06-01-2008, 05:05 PM
Ron Paul can take his delegates, followers and his money anywhere he pleases and we're actually not going to notice it in the Republican Party.

Especially since the polls indicate we're getting a very nice chunk of votes from Clinton Democrats in Nov. :D

KG4JYD
06-01-2008, 07:19 PM
Especially since the polls indicate we're getting a very nice chunk of votes from Clinton Democrats in Nov. :DWell that's something conservatives can be proud of :rolleyes:


Imagine the same person who would support Clinton would also support the GOP nominee? Does anything seem wrong with this? :confused:

N4VGB
06-01-2008, 07:32 PM
Imagine the same person who would support Clinton would also support the GOP nominee? Does anything seem wrong with this? :confused:


If I only had Obama and Clinton to vote for this Nov., I'd give Clinton the nod. :p

k9kxq
06-04-2008, 06:22 AM
Careful, you may have to vote for Obama and Chelsea's Momma, even the repubs don't want McCain...

kxq

k9kxq
06-05-2008, 12:00 AM
Looks like Clinton will conceed and support Obama on Friday... Obamma /Clark???

kxq

N4VGB
06-05-2008, 02:04 AM
Looks like Clinton will conceed and support Obama on Friday... Obamma /Clark???

kxq

Looks more like Obama/Clinton now! :D

The assassination plot thickens! :eek:

AE6IP
06-05-2008, 02:15 AM
Obama's not gonna pick Clinton. She's over with.

N4VGB
06-05-2008, 02:44 AM
Obama's not gonna pick Clinton. She's over with.

It is not Obama's pick, nor the DNC, the VP spot is filled by the Convention delegates. ;)

W4DFW
06-05-2008, 02:45 AM
Looks more like Obama/Clinton now! :D

One can only hope!! :p

As inexperienced as Obama is, I don't think even HE is so stupid as to pick Hillary as his running mate. Can you possibly imagine having to put up with TWO primadonnas at once? Not to mention that the Vice President's quarters don't have NEARLY the room for the extra, uhm, "women" that Billy needs! :D

N4VGB
06-05-2008, 02:49 AM
As inexperienced as Obama is, I don't think even HE is so stupid as to pick Hillary as his running mate. Can you possibly imagine having to put up with TWO primadonnas at once? Not to mention that the Vice President's quarters don't have NEARLY the room for the extra, uhm, "women" that Billy needs! :D

I'm beginning to believe that Obama will have little choice but to offer her the VP spot, she now takes her pledged delegates to the Convention floor. ;)

AE6IP
06-05-2008, 07:33 AM
It is not Obama's pick, nor the DNC, the VP spot is filled by the Convention delegates. ;)

You might want to take a closer look. You're wrong again.

(Difference between theory and practice, etc)

AE6IP
06-05-2008, 07:35 AM
I'm beginning to believe that Obama will have little choice but to offer her the VP spot, she now takes her pledged delegates to the Convention floor. ;)

Her "pledged' delegates are only pledged to vote for her for the presidential nomination. Once that's settled, there ain't no more pledged delegates.

Dumber things have happened, so anything is possible, But I don't forsee President Obama having any Clinton as his vice president. A Kennedy, perhaps, but not a Clinton.

N4VGB
06-05-2008, 07:41 AM
You might want to take a closer look. You're wrong again.

(Difference between theory and practice, etc)

Me, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, MSNBC. I'm in good company. We're all wrong then, since all have discussed that the actual technical choice is made by the delegates at the Democratic Convention. Obama can only put forth his choice and I'm sure the DNC will have some influence on him in that area, if the delegates don't like Obama's choice, Obama's choice is toast. Hillary isn't holding her delegates just for the fun of it, she's bargaining for something? :D

KG4JYD
06-05-2008, 04:33 PM
Anyone think McCain will have Hillary as his VP?

N9XR
06-05-2008, 04:54 PM
Anyone think McCain will have Hillary as her VP?

Wha wha what? Do you know something of McCain's gender that the rest were concerned about?

W3MIV
06-05-2008, 05:11 PM
Wha wha what? Do you know something of McCain's gender that the rest were concerned about?


Guess they treated him rougher in Hanoi than we knew.

AE6IP
06-05-2008, 11:22 PM
Obama can only put forth his choice and I'm sure the DNC will have some influence on him in that area, if the delegates don't like Obama's choice, Obama's choice is toast.

As I said, CF "the difference between theory and practice."

Hillary isn't holding her delegates just for the fun of it, she's bargaining for something? :D

Hills is bargaining, but she's not getting the VP slot, and, as I said, "holding her delegates" doesn't matter to that decision. They're only pledged to her for the presidential nomination. They're on their own for the rest of the decision making process.

N4VGB
06-05-2008, 11:50 PM
They're on their own for the rest of the decision making process.


Among the party faithful and even among the black Dems, many high ranking Dems are pushing the Obama/Clinton ticket idea. Many feel it is their only hope of defeating McCain in Nov.? :confused: Maybe, maybe not?

This movement appears to be gaining steam, I'm sure Obama wishes otherwise. I think that I read on one website that one member of his 3 member "vetting committee" is already known to favor Clinton as VP? :confused:

n2ize
06-05-2008, 11:57 PM
Obama's not gonna pick Clinton. She's over with.

You never know. A lot more goes on back stage than is revealed. When Obama gets Hillary back stage he'll make her his running mate. :D

AE6IP
06-06-2008, 03:56 AM
Among the party faithful and even among the black Dems, many high ranking Dems are pushing the Obama/Clinton ticket idea. Many feel it is their only hope of defeating McCain in Nov.? :confused: Maybe, maybe not?

You never tire of being wrong, do you?

Nobody high ranking is pushing an Obama/Clinton ticket. There's not going to be an Obama/Clinton ticket. Obama doesn't need Clinton's help to beat McCain. McCain is doing a good job of defeating himself.

This movement appears to be gaining steam, I'm sure Obama wishes otherwise. I think that I read on one website that one member of his 3 member "vetting committee" is already known to favor Clinton as VP?

Oh, I'm sure you "read it on a web site", alright. And I bet you get a lot of email support for your position, too.

n2ize
06-06-2008, 04:00 AM
Hillary may very well be on Obama's shortlist.

AE6IP
06-06-2008, 04:04 AM
You never know. A lot more goes on back stage than is revealed. When Obama gets Hillary back stage he'll make her his running mate. :D

This is why I have a backstage pass, but no, there's nothing left for Senator Clinton beyond a possible seat in the cabinet.

AE6IP
06-06-2008, 04:05 AM
Hillary may very well be on Obama's shortlist.

As an insider put it "She's 11th on a 10 person list."

N4VGB
06-06-2008, 04:21 AM
Oh, I'm sure you "read it on a web site", alright. And I bet you get a lot of email support for your position, too.


My, my. Nasty, bitter little fellow, aren't we. :p:p:p

AE6IP
06-06-2008, 04:48 AM
My, my. Nasty, bitter little fellow, aren't we.

If you say you are, I guess you must be.

Are you keeping a mouse in your pocket?

N4VGB
06-06-2008, 04:51 AM
If you say you are, I guess you must be.
Are you keeping a mouse in your pocket?


Disappointing, thought you could do better. :rolleyes:

AE6IP
06-06-2008, 06:13 AM
Disappointing, thought you could do better.

Alas, I knew you couldn't; so I decided to come down to your level for an inning.

Too boring, though; so from now on, I'll leave the juvenile stuff in your more-than-capable hands.

n2ize
06-06-2008, 04:41 PM
As an insider put it "She's 11th on a 10 person list."

Hillary and Obama actually get along quite well. They're both masterminds in BS. That said., I wouldn't be surprised if you are right. She may be 11th on a 10 person shortlist. Yet I wouldn't be surprised if he were to pick her for his VP.

W3MIV
06-06-2008, 06:17 PM
Hillary and Obama actually get along quite well. They're both masterminds in BS. That said., I wouldn't be surprised if you are right. She may be 11th on a 10 person shortlist. Yet I wouldn't be surprised if he were to pick her for his VP.

I would be very surprised were Obama to choose her for a running mate. Far more sensible for him to have her work for his election and remain in the Senate than it would to saddle himself with the whole Clinton baggage, which would drag on him like ball and chain. A lot of the support for her will not readily or automatically translate to him no matter who is in the second spot, especially in the very racist Rust Belt states. She will provide him NO help anywhere in the South.

She has a vested interest in being a super-supporter for all things Democratic, and she would benefit from the "martyrdom" syndrome by now working hard for O's election. She could as easily position herself for a future run from the Senate as from the VP office. Better, in fact, since VPs don't usually succeed.

N4VGB
06-06-2008, 08:12 PM
An idea was put forth on one of the news networks last night during the meeting between Obama and Clinton. That perhaps Obama would offer her another position in government? One that was mentioned was a seat on the Supreme Court, should it become available! :eek:

Shocking idea! Shudder! :eek:

AE6IP
06-06-2008, 09:05 PM
Secretary of HHS, actually.

But the Dems aren't going to pull anyone from the Senate just now, their majority there is too slim.

Senator Clinton gets to stay in the Senate.

N4VGB
06-06-2008, 09:18 PM
Secretary of HHS, actually.


I would have thought Obama would want one of his own in that spot? Might jeopardize those sweet grants for Trinity Church otherwise. ;)

W3MIV
06-06-2008, 11:09 PM
I would have thought Obama would want one of his own in that spot? Might jeopardize those sweet grants for Trinity Church otherwise. ;)


Code words?

N4VGB
06-07-2008, 01:06 AM
Code words?

Not at all Albert, just referring to one of his own trusted/loyal supporters. HHS has very large sums of grant money to disburse yearly, a Clinton in that capacity seems to be a formula for political disaster.

Although I would personally rather have Hillary there as seated on the Supreme Court! My digestion has been terribly upset over most of the options mentioned. Maybe she'll just continue to be the Senator from NY?

kb9xn
06-09-2008, 03:10 PM
Ron Paul can take his delegates, followers and his money anywhere he pleases and we're actually not going to notice it in the Republican Party.

Especially since the polls indicate we're getting a very nice chunk of votes from Clinton Democrats in Nov. :D

Polls are only as good or as accurate as the Clinton News network and the Obama news machine (MSNBC) report the information:cool:

N4VGB
06-09-2008, 03:45 PM
Polls are only as good or as accurate as the Clinton News network and the Obama news machine (MSNBC) report the information:cool:

Interesting tidbit from the old geezers table of the local coffee shop. Q: How many of us take time to participate in political polls? A: None! Hmmmmmm? :rolleyes:

KG4JYD
06-09-2008, 11:24 PM
See this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hrudozuEQI8

KG4JYD
06-09-2008, 11:25 PM
from: http://baldwin2008.com/birds-of-a-feather/

As Dr. Jerome Corsi recently reported, John McCain has long enjoyed sizeable funding from the ultraliberal gazillionaire George Soros, and from liberal Massachusetts Senator John Kerry’s wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry. (See the report at http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56177 )

KD5ZPG
06-09-2008, 11:43 PM
from: http://baldwin2008.com/birds-of-a-feather/

As Dr. Jerome Corsi recently reported, John McCain has long enjoyed sizeable funding from the ultraliberal gazillionaire George Soros, and from liberal Massachusetts Senator John Kerry’s wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry. (See the report at http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56177 )

Oh........well lookie there. He is in that other putzs pocket too. Sitting on right.

N4VGB
06-10-2008, 02:01 AM
from: http://baldwin2008.com/birds-of-a-feather/

As Dr. Jerome Corsi recently reported, John McCain has long enjoyed sizeable funding from the ultraliberal gazillionaire George Soros, and from liberal Massachusetts Senator John Kerry’s wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry. (See the report at http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56177 )

What revelations! I'm stunned! YAWN. :rolleyes::)