when is singing not music?

[k8wpj]

Hi all,

Have a question on rules and what is or is not permitted on the bands...

I understand music is not permitted, except when it is an incidental part of a space shuttle transmission... OK, That's fine I get that...

But can someone sing?

I am not talking about locking the key down, and belting out a few verses, of 'Flat Bottom Girls'...

A friend of mine, and fellow broadcast jock, was playing around with a sampler and made up a set of station ID's for my call, and was wondering why I never ID on the bands using them... I told him I really wasn't sure if they were 'legal' per the rules, but, neither he or I could find a clear meaning for 'music' under the rules...

The ID's are nothing more than a chourus of singers singing "Kay eight Double you pee Jayy" over what sounds like the THX surround sound SFX...

The next ID is just a dry chourus shout "Kay Eight Double Yoo Pee Jay!"

The last is a 2 parter, with a dry chourus shout "Kay Eight Double Yoo Pee Jay! over a chorus of "Camden! South Carolina!"

On one hand the rules say no music, so I say no...

On the other hand, how many times have you heard a repeater ID with some chessy sound effect like a rooster crowing or gun shots, or even a clock striking... So, It would seem possible, especially considering there's no instrumentation in any of it...

I understand some may consider it cheesy, that's fine... but, is it legal?

WWRD?:rolleyes:

[WA9SVD]

Hi all,

Have a question on rules and what is or is not permitted on the bands...

I understand music is not permitted, except when it is an incidental part of a space shuttle transmission... OK, That's fine I get that...

But can someone sing?

I am not talking about locking the key down, and belting out a few verses, of 'Flat Bottom Girls'...

A friend of mine, and fellow broadcast jock, was playing around with a sampler and made up a set of station ID's for my call, and was wondering why I never ID on the bands using them... I told him I really wasn't sure if they were 'legal' per the rules, but, neither he or I could find a clear meaning for 'music' under the rules...

The ID's are nothing more than a chourus of singers singing "Kay eight Double you pee Jayy" over what sounds like the THX surround sound SFX...

The next ID is just a dry chourus shout "Kay Eight Double Yoo Pee Jay!"

The last is a 2 parter, with a dry chourus shout "Kay Eight Double Yoo Pee Jay! over a chorus of "Camden! South Carolina!"

On one hand the rules say no music, so I say no...

On the other hand, how many times have you heard a repeater ID with some chessy sound effect like a rooster crowing or gun shots, or even a clock striking... So, It would seem possible, especially considering there's no instrumentation in any of it...

I understand some may consider it cheesy, that's fine... but, is it legal?

WWRD?:rolleyes:


Do you really have to ask such a question?

BTW, I've never heard a repeater (at least, not an Amateur Radio repeater) "ID" with sound effects such as you describe. Sound effects are from another "Service."

[n8yx]

Do you really have to ask such a question?

BTW, I've never heard a repeater (at least, not an Amateur Radio repeater) "ID" with sound effects such as you describe. Sound effects are from another "Service."

In other words: Leave the darned roger beeps and echo mikes on 11M, where they (arguably) belong...

[KC4RAN]

If you have to convince yourself, or if you feel you have to convince others that it's "technically legal", you should probably assume that it is actually not legal, but a better question arises...

Whether or not it's "technically legal", should your judgement prevent you from actually doing it?

[WA9SVD]

Better yet, go ahead and use your recorded ID's, and wait to see if you get an endorsement from Riley. Shouldn't take long.

[KD6NIG]

There are repeaters that use voices to ID, but except for maybe a sound effect afterwards, I've never heard them do it with actual music in the background.

There used to be one in the Bay Area that would do all kinds of zany stuff. Would announce the callsign and then say a few different things. One was it would say "bravo!" and then you'd hear applause for a few seconds.

I always wondered if it was borderline, though it wasn't really harmful.

Other than people using zany phonetics though, I don't think any melody playing behind it would be acceptable. I don't think the FCC would get you for it, but who knows-I'm sure you would catch flak from it from your fellow operators. Maybe. They would probably see it as CBish, I'm guessing. Would they go as far as recording and sending it to the FCC? Maybe.

I'd stick with a plain phonetic announcement, or by letters. So the plain announcer one you have just stating your call would probably be ok, by the letter of the law. I wouldn't use a melody or anything behind it.

[k8wpj]

As usual,

I get the typical CBer insults...

and for those that said," if you have to ask..." or go ahead and try it "

I was trying to ask a serious question, and AVOID trouble, not START it.

Thanks anyway.

And for those that think I am stupid enough to risk my license, reread my first post... I specifically said, I won't use them on air, without having a clear statement one way or another regarding the legality.

It's not a big deal to use them on the website or for that matter just keep them as station novelties.

[kn4ds]

Hi all,

Have a question on rules and what is or is not permitted on the bands...

I understand music is not permitted, except when it is an incidental part of a space shuttle transmission... OK, That's fine I get that...

But can someone sing?

I am not talking about locking the key down, and belting out a few verses, of 'Flat Bottom Girls'...

A friend of mine, and fellow broadcast jock, was playing around with a sampler and made up a set of station ID's for my call, and was wondering why I never ID on the bands using them... I told him I really wasn't sure if they were 'legal' per the rules, but, neither he or I could find a clear meaning for 'music' under the rules...

The ID's are nothing more than a chourus of singers singing "Kay eight Double you pee Jayy" over what sounds like the THX surround sound SFX...

The next ID is just a dry chourus shout "Kay Eight Double Yoo Pee Jay!"

The last is a 2 parter, with a dry chourus shout "Kay Eight Double Yoo Pee Jay! over a chorus of "Camden! South Carolina!"

On one hand the rules say no music, so I say no...

On the other hand, how many times have you heard a repeater ID with some chessy sound effect like a rooster crowing or gun shots, or even a clock striking... So, It would seem possible, especially considering there's no instrumentation in any of it...

I understand some may consider it cheesy, that's fine... but, is it legal?

WWRD?:rolleyes:
As you point out above, they're singing. That would be illegal. Period.

Leave the TM-Century-ish stuff on the broadcast band, or at most, make 'em part of your own website.

[KE7HQY]

Another way to make this fun would be to use odd CW tones. Take your normal CW repeater IDer, and instead of a single tone use 2 or 3 distinct tones to give some resemblance of a slight melody. As long as the CW is still clearly audiable, I don't see how it could be an issue.

A musician would tell you its sounds like noise, and it would be a real stretch to call it music.

[G8ADD]

Singing is heightened speach. Nobody speaks in a true monotone (well, almost nobody!) and some accents use more tonal inflections than others, to the point where the normal speaking voice of some people can be rendered in musical notation (particularly the modified notation that can handle microtones) so I see no clear answer to your question unless intent is considered. I would think in terms of putting the question to the proper authorities.

73

Brian G8ADD

[ky5u]

When is singing not music?

Sanjaya from American Idol is one example. Rap music?

[KE7HQY]

k8wpj - The best advice I could give to you would be:

1)Make a recording of what you want to play on the repeater.

2)Talk to your local ARRL section manager and either play it for him to get his opinion, or ask someone who could reputably "analyze" the recording. If you can get their approval, I would pass it beyond reasonable doubt that it shouldn't be a problem.

[kg4kww]

When is singing not music?

When your passing gas over the radio. :D

[ky5u]

Hey I have heard your voice on HF. Sounds like someone beating a cat with a banjo.

[k8wpj]

Singing is heightened speach. Nobody speaks in a true monotone (well, almost nobody!) and some accents use more tonal inflections than others, to the point where the normal speaking voice of some people can be rendered in musical notation (particularly the modified notation that can handle microtones) so I see no clear answer to your question unless intent is considered. I would think in terms of putting the question to the proper authorities.

73

Brian G8ADD

Finally!

A lucid response that actually addressed the original question asked...

Thank you Sir! That's exactly what I was thinking, and why I said, I wouldn't use them on air... I was merely seeking a discussion and validation, not dismemberment.

Looking forward to working you on the bands,

73

Matt
K8WPJ

[KC4RAN]

LOL hold on, you asked a question on The Zed that should have gone straight to the FCC instead... and you get offended when people give you their opinions?

All you were looking for was some sort of 'you might be right' answer, any sort of answer in the positive. You know in your heart that it's not going to be right, otherwise you wouldn't have asked the question in the first place.

I'm sorry you don't like the answers that you were given, but they're the truth. Typically, if you have to ask if something is right, it typically is not. That is a truth throughout life, not just confined to amateur radio. And your reaction is a typical one to someone who got told the answer they didn't wanna hear.

[k8wpj]

Hey I have heard your voice on HF. Sounds like someone beating a cat with a banjo.

this is why I made my money by speaking, not singing...

As for the IDs, they were voiced by a proffessional Jingle service my buddy was affiliated with... These are the kinds of things you'd hear at the top of the hour ID'ing the broadcast radio station most of us listen to in our cars.

[KB4QAA]

Somewhat off topic, but relating to another country....

When I was stationed in Bermuda in the 1980's, I got a reciprocal callsign. The (quaint) regulations permitted amateurs to play one record each day. :) I never heard any of the locals actually do so, nor did I press the issue.

73, Bill

[N8CPA]

The only music allowed on AR is brass telegraphic instruments, or piccolo, the diddles of RTTY, the pseudo-stereophonic warble of PSK, etc.

Modulations of the voice beyond intonation and stress patterns of normal communicative speech, be it rap, operatic, broadway, Greek drama, Gregorian chant, or quasi-commercial jingle are singing for purposes of AR--and are thus illegal.

Nope. It doesn't matter how bad you, or your chorus, sing.

[k8wpj]

LOL hold on, you asked a question on The Zed that should have gone straight to the FCC instead... and you get offended when people give you their opinions?

Whoa... hold on a second....

I am not in the least offended...

I merely asked a question regarding accepted proceedure, on a matter that directly impacts my amateur radio station, and it's licence, and addressed that question to a group of fellow amateurs, whom by their own actions consider themselves a collective 'authority' on amatuer radio operations...

The Zed has literally thousands of members across a vast spectrum of knowledge, education, and life experience. Surely there are those that can offer a judgement call based on some precedent or rule of 'practice of the radio art'.

Sadly tho... there are several in the bunch that also make a habit of missing the point entirely, then injecting their OPINIONS into the subject at hand, instead of giving a striaghtforward answer based on FACTUAL knowledge of the subjects being discussed...

From there, it always seems to spin downward into a debate between the OF's and the nocoders (ie- new vs old...)

And, 'that' was what i was trying to avoid.

If you think I was somehow unclear, then please reread my original question.

[KC4RAN]

You come to a website... not the FCC... and ask for "facts" about something that is arguably subjective, like whether something would be classified as 'music', then you appear to be upset when people tell you that anything that sounds like music should stay where it belongs, which is not on amateur radio.

LOL.


Just.... lol.


We can't give you "facts" when it comes to the interpretation of if what you are discussing would be classified by the FCC as "music". We can make some reasonable assumptions... like, the fact that it was made by a "jingle" company... the fact that there are multiple voices producing (in your own words) a "dry chorus shout", not just the operators voice... the fact that you describe one of them as a "chourus of singers singing"...

and all of this because you want to somehow classify "singing" as "not music".



And still, you ask for 'facts' about your situation from a community website, when the only way you can get 'facts' about anything regarding this whole matter is from the FCC!!?!?!?!

Unless someone can find it defined in the rules, it's going to be extremely hard to get a clear definition on what is 'music' and what isn't. The 'fact' that you had to go get more voices, the 'fact' that there are singers involved... all that should have already told you the answer to your question.

[W5HTW]

this is why I made my money by speaking, not singing...

As for the IDs, they were voiced by a proffessional Jingle service my buddy was affiliated with... These are the kinds of things you'd hear at the top of the hour ID'ing the broadcast radio station most of us listen to in our cars.

And there ya' go! You just said it. "Broadcast Radio." If you are running a broadcast radio station, go for it. I think they would be defined as "musical IDs" in ham radio. The FCC rules indicate a tone may be used for short test purposes. Doesn't say a word about using jingles being OK.

I'm like others. You already know the answer. So make the choice and get over it.

[kl7aj]

I don't think my singing could ever be mistaken for music. :)

eric

[k8wpj]

You come to a website... not the FCC...

That's right... I came to a community website that's sanctioned and promoted by [B] the ARRL [B] supposedly an autority on AR and a liason between hams and the FCC.

Unless someone can find it defined in the rules, it's going to be extremely hard to get a clear definition on what is 'music' and what isn't.

Again, that's why I asked in here, where there are a wide variety of people with a vast range of knowledge, certainly more than you and I posess as individuals.

Isn't it better to ask the question and engage in a serious discussion, than just hurl insults? I'm not the least bit purturbed by any of this, in fact I expected the response I got, and the ones whining the loudest are those who again, missed the point of my original post completely...

I seem to have that problem with 4 calls lately... can't figure out how to get around it tho... Sorry to get you so wound up, I'll try to do better in the future.

[k8wpj]

I'm like others. You already know the answer. So make the choice and get over it.


Get over it????

Jeez, the OM's are sure twitchy this morning...

To anyone that was put off by my asking a question... I am terribly sorry i tried to engage a discussion of AR procedures, I really was trying to avoid a problem, not start one...

Maybe, I am not the one that needs to 'get over it'... I was asking a serious question, if you guys didn't like what was asked you're free to ignore me anytime.

[KE7HQY]

Matt - I reiterate that the best "judge" for this situation would be someone in the know listening to it live or recorded. Of course you'll still have opinions on whats "music" and what's "speech", but you'll get a more authoritative answer from a recording than simply a text description of it. Talk to someone in your local ARRL and ask them to listen to it.

[k8wpj]

Talk to someone in your local ARRL and ask them to listen to it.


Thanks but, I'll pass...

I have had a real problem getting any support from local clubs, and, the Zed was it's typical helpful resource, so I gonna file this under "Why even bother.." right under upgrading, learning CW, and errecting a tower...

At this point its just not worth it... And to be honest, the Zed is doing more to talk folks out of the hobby, than into it... As for me locally, I have to bring someone out of Columbia, more than an hour away, and pay for trip charges, because I can't find anyone locally willing to come all the way out to the QTH, even for something like errecting a rooftop antenna.

It's to the point, I am considering let the station go dark, just to save the hassles.

[KE7HQY]

It's to the point, I am considering let the station go dark, just to save the hassles.

Before you throw everything out: Unplug everything and take a break. Maybe a week away from it all would help? Even if you can't take a nice week vacation to the Bahamas, maybe a week "vacation" from the radio/zed/ might help.

[w3wn]

That's right... I came to a community website that's sanctioned and promoted by [B] the ARRL [B] supposedly an autority on AR and a liason between hams and the FCC.

< snip >
It is?

Since when does the ARRL sanction unaffiliated web sites, let alone promote them?

I think, OM, you've jumped to at least one conclusion too many here. AFAIK, QRZ.COM and the ARRL have no sanctioning or cross-promoting between them.

In other words, if you want the opinion of someone up at League Headquarters, you're asking on the wrong web site!

73

[w3wn]

Thanks but, I'll pass...

I have had a real problem getting any support from local clubs, and, the Zed was it's typical helpful resource, so I gonna file this under "Why even bother.." right under upgrading, learning CW, and errecting a tower...

At this point its just not worth it... And to be honest, the Zed is doing more to talk folks out of the hobby, than into it... As for me locally, I have to bring someone out of Columbia, more than an hour away, and pay for trip charges, because I can't find anyone locally willing to come all the way out to the QTH, even for something like errecting a rooftop antenna.

It's to the point, I am considering let the station go dark, just to save the hassles.
Now, I wouldn't go that far.

To answer your initial question: Only the FCC or a broadcast attorney could properly give you a legal, technically precise & accurate answer.

But as a practical matter, professional singers singing your call for a station ID, even a capella without benefits of acoustical or electronic (or whatever) instruments, would IMHO be considered "music" for the purposes of FCC Part 97.

Locally, one of the repeater owners once, years ago, approached the morning team on one radio station to record a repeater ID. All they had to do was say "Hi, this is (their names) and you're listening to the (call) Repeater." The DJ's just couldn't do it without embellishment of sound effects, music, singsong, and so forth. But a few of us checked at the time, and as I recall (YMMV, VWPBL(STn)), the word back from the FCC was that SAYING the call was OK, but any chanting or singing would cross the music line.

And that's the way it is.

73, ron w3wn

(formerly, a long time ago in a broadcast universe far far away, of WGMR-FM Tyrone/State College & WSHH-FM Pittsburgh)

[WB8MKV]

who do you think you are ? Dean Martin ?

[k8wpj]

Before you throw everything out: Unplug everything and take a break. Maybe a week away from it all would help? Even if you can't take a nice week vacation to the Bahamas, maybe a week "vacation" from the radio/zed/ might help.


nice idea, but, I've already had my one trip for the year, and with gas prices another one just ain't gonna happen this year... It also doesn't help the other main problem I am having, and that's finding someone local to help with antenna installs...

Out of 20 calls I made, 4 picked up the phone during weekday business hours, and of those four, only one would offer any quote at all, almost $800 bucks for less than four hours work, and that's with me supplying everything down to the bolts for the mounts.

I'm already lost my VHF antenna, and the HF antenna is acting up again now too... It would'nt take much to pull the plug considering I can barely put out a signal now.,...

Guess that's another benefit of living out in the middle of nowhere... LOL!

[KF4ICL]

Think about the can of worms it'd open up. Before you know it the RIAA and BMI and ASCAP and the musician's unions (or whatever union it is that would represent singers) would be getting involved.

Don't feed the sharks.

[k8wpj]

who do you think you are ? Dean Martin ?


Nope.... Dean's dead... Anbd I never said I was the one doing the singing.

I am more a Drew Carey than a Dean Martin..

Thanks for the complement tho...

[k8wpj]

Don't feed the sharks.

It can't be any worse than feeding the 'trolls... :rolleyes:

[K9STH]

Over the years the FCC has definitely issued what used to be called "pink tickets" for singing and a "jingle" definitely comes under the heading of singing which, in turn, comes under the heading of music. Now I would believe that someone reciting "rap" might be allowed since, at least in the opinion of most people, "rap" is definitely not "music"!

Actually, "rap" is primarily the "spoken" word and therefore should be OK.

Glen, K9STH

[ab8ro]

Singing is heightened speach. Nobody speaks in a true monotone (well, almost nobody!) and some accents use more tonal inflections than others, to the point where the normal speaking voice of some people can be rendered in musical notation (particularly the modified notation that can handle microtones) so I see no clear answer to your question unless intent is considered. I would think in terms of putting the question to the proper authorities.

73

Brian G8ADD

Brian's right. The rule cannot be clear because what is and what isn't music is very much open to interpretation. Morse code is much more musical than some recorded "music" pieces. Consider the aforementioned "fat bottom girls." Is it ok to read the lyrics? What about to read them with an accent? What about to read them with some inflection? What about to read them in an attempt to sing the tones by someone who is both tone deaf and monotone?

[G0GQK]

When is singing not music ? When my wife "sings". I made her give it up years ago, a cow farting is more tuneful !

G0GQK

[KC4RAN]

What about to read them in an attempt to sing the tones by someone who is both tone deaf and monotone?
Call up Ben Stein and let's find out...

[ka0sog]

Nobody speaks in a true monotone (well, almost nobody!)

Well Brian, I would have to require that 'almost nobody' include the tax attorney who was my instructor for a torturious 2 semesters for Federal Income Tax Law for Masters in Business degree. I haven't heard before or since a more wretched voice to be lectured by for 3 hours a week. He was however one very fine and knowledgable tax attorney.

I was never so happy to conclude a class.

[KI4ITV]

Actually, "rap" is primarily the "spoken" word and therefore should be OK.

Glen, K9STH

Oh Glen,
Please don't green light this type of behavior.
75m will never be the same.
This is bad news for ham radio.
Sounds like an open invitation for a rap contest on 75m fone...
Exchange: Callsign, Signal Report, Your best two lines about other ops momma.
:eek:

[WA9SVD]

As usual,

I get the typical CBer insults...

and for those that said," if you have to ask..." or go ahead and try it "

I was trying to ask a serious question, and AVOID trouble, not START it.

Thanks anyway.

And for those that think I am stupid enough to risk my license, reread my first post... I specifically said, I won't use them on air, without having a clear statement one way or another regarding the legality.

It's not a big deal to use them on the website or for that matter just keep them as station novelties.
You shouldn't need a "clear statement." Just common sense.

[WA9SVD]

Think about the can of worms it'd open up. Before you know it the RIAA and BMI and ASCAP and the musician's unions (or whatever union it is that would represent singers) would be getting involved.

Don't feed the sharks.

Why not? Just desserts.:rolleyes:

[WA9SVD]

Oh Glen,
Please don't green light this type of behavior.
75m will never be the same.
This is bad news for ham radio.
Sounds like an open invitation for a rap contest on 75m fone...
Exchange: Callsign, Signal Report, Your best two lines about other ops momma.
:eek:

At a previous ARRL convention, Riley made a comment about "RAP." Something about the letter "C" preceeding the word, I believe... And that it was not only illegal, but morally objectionable to all.

[WA9SVD]

When is singing not music ? When my wife "sings". I made her give it up years ago, a cow farting is more tuneful !

G0GQK

Then that cow would be in violation of our FCC rules.:p

[k5njp]

I can't speak much to the rules. I haven't spent much time studying them, nor do I care to.

I must admit, if I heard your digitized call, I'd likely respond to something harmonious, but the flash would wear off quickly and I probably wouldn't talk to you again.

that's just me....

[k4kyv]

Singing is heightened speach. Nobody speaks in a true monotone (well, almost nobody!) and some accents use more tonal inflections than others, to the point where the normal speaking voice of some people can be rendered in musical notation (particularly the modified notation that can handle microtones) so I see no clear answer to your question unless intent is considered. I would think in terms of putting the question to the proper authorities.

An "accent" is a particular way of "singing" the words. When a Scotsman speaks, he "sings" English in a different manner from an African-American. A Frenchman sings French differently from a Québecois. A Mexican sings Spanish differently from a Spaniard.

Have you ever noticed that when a vocal artist performs, it is usually very difficult to ascertain his or her native accent? An exception might be for country music, where the put-on Southern twang is deliberately embedded into the melody, and many of those artists are not from the South, and some are not even from the US. I recall back in the 60's when the Beatles first appeared on the scene, a DJ at the station where I worked played one of their early records and made the remark, "those are the Beatles, all the way from England, sound like they're right out of Vicksburg, Mississippi". When one sings a song in a prescribed melody, distinctions in the person's accent become infinitesimal.

As for the ID, unless there distinctly is instrumental accompaniment, one would be hard pressed to make it stick that a "sung" call sign is "music", since a set of amateur radio call letters is not a song. I would say that you can use whatever intonation you want with your speech while ID'ing, as long as it is understandable, not an effort to obscure the call sign. The FCC has better things to worry about than splitting hairs over an amateur radio issue so trivial.

But I would warn you that the last thing you want to do regarding any grey-area is to contact the FCC or other government regulatory official and ask them if it is OK to do something. You can always count on it being easier to apologise afterwards than to get permission beforehand.

As far as I know, for all the years he was on the air, Irb, W2VJZ (SK) never received a citation for playing his wind chimes over the air.

[WA9SVD]

An "accent" is a particular way of "singing" the words. When a Scotsman speaks, he "sings" English in a different manner from an African-American. A Frenchman sings French differently from a Québecois. A Mexican sings Spanish differently from a Spaniard.

Have you ever noticed that when a vocal artist performs, it is usually very difficult to ascertain his or her native accent? An exception might be for country music, where the put-on Southern twang is deliberately embedded into the melody, and many of those artists are not from the South, and some are not even from the US. I recall back in the 60's when the Beatles first appeared on the scene, a DJ at the station where I worked played one of their early records and made the remark, "those are the Beatles, all the way from England, sound like they're right out of Vicksburg, Mississippi". When one sings a song in a prescribed melody, distinctions in the person's accent become infinitesimal.

As for the ID, unless there distinctly is instrumental accompaniment, one would be hard pressed to make it stick that a "sung" call sign is "music", since a set of amateur radio call letters is not a song. I would say that you can use whatever intonation you want with your speech while ID'ing, as long as it is understandable, not an effort to obscure the call sign. The FCC has better things to worry about than splitting hairs over an amateur radio issue so trivial.

But I would warn you that the last thing you want to do regarding any grey-area is to contact the FCC or other government regulatory official and ask them if it is OK to do something. You can always count on it being easier to apologise afterwards than to get permission beforehand.

As far as I know, for all the years he was on the air, Irb, W2VJZ (SK) never received a citation for playing his wind chimes over the air.

Well, that's your opinion, but it HAS been dealt with in the past; if there's STILL an issue, the easiest way is to just try it, and see if Riley responds. Opinions may reign here, but the FCC's decision trumps any opinion posted here..

[k7mh]

I am not talking about locking the key down, and belting out a few verses, of 'Flat Bottom Girls'...
You need to go to the Rock and Roll College of Musical Knowledge. It's "FAT Bottom Girls".
I am surprised no one caught that!!:rolleyes::D:p

[ab8ro]

You need to go to the Rock and Roll College of Musical Knowledge. It's "FAT Bottom Girls".
I am surprised no one caught that!!:rolleyes::D:p

His version is popular in other parts of the world. The original was intended for the American market.

[G8ADD]

An "accent" is a particular way of "singing" the words. When a Scotsman speaks, he "sings" English in a different manner from an African-American. A Frenchman sings French differently from a Québecois. A Mexican sings Spanish differently from a Spaniard.

Have you ever noticed that when a vocal artist performs, it is usually very difficult to ascertain his or her native accent? An exception might be for country music, where the put-on Southern twang is deliberately embedded into the melody, and many of those artists are not from the South, and some are not even from the US. I recall back in the 60's when the Beatles first appeared on the scene, a DJ at the station where I worked played one of their early records and made the remark, "those are the Beatles, all the way from England, sound like they're right out of Vicksburg, Mississippi". When one sings a song in a prescribed melody, distinctions in the person's accent become infinitesimal.

As for the ID, unless there distinctly is instrumental accompaniment, one would be hard pressed to make it stick that a "sung" call sign is "music", since a set of amateur radio call letters is not a song. I would say that you can use whatever intonation you want with your speech while ID'ing, as long as it is understandable, not an effort to obscure the call sign. The FCC has better things to worry about than splitting hairs over an amateur radio issue so trivial.

But I would warn you that the last thing you want to do regarding any grey-area is to contact the FCC or other government regulatory official and ask them if it is OK to do something. You can always count on it being easier to apologise afterwards than to get permission beforehand.

As far as I know, for all the years he was on the air, Irb, W2VJZ (SK) never received a citation for playing his wind chimes over the air.


Both the Beatles and the Stones were inspired by records imported from the USA where they were intended for the "black" market, and in emulating those performances they imitated the accent.....'tho to English ears the Beatles never lost their Liverpool accents!

For some reason you made me remember that German composers devised a musical code where each letter of the German alphabet was represented by a tone, and my undisciplined imagination is boggling at the thought of a net of amateurs singing their callsigns in that code! Unfortunately its unlikely to ever happen but it would be a real hoot!

73

Brian G8ADD

[N8CPA]

Both the Beatles and the Stones were inspired by records imported from the USA where they were intended for the "black" market, and in emulating those performances they imitated the accent.....'tho to English ears the Beatles never lost their Liverpool accents!

For some reason you made me remember that German composers devised a musical code where each letter of the German alphabet was represented by a tone, and my undisciplined imagination is boggling at the thought of a net of amateurs singing their callsigns in that code! Unfortunately its unlikely to ever happen but it would be a real hoot!

73

Brian G8ADD

Many of Bach's concertos end with the notes BACH. Although the typical musical alphabet is A~G, H was used to designate, if I remember correctly,
A in the next highest register.

[WA6MHZ]

Touchtones make a great music source, but whether the melody is discernable would determine if it is music or not. On Autopatches, if you dialed a number that just happened to coincide with the "mary had a little lamb" melody, that might be considered music. If it was a few notes off, it might be considered just another telephone number.

[G8ADD]

Many of Bach's concertos end with the notes BACH. Although the typical musical alphabet is A~G, H was used to designate, if I remember correctly,
A in the next highest register.

No, your memory let you down, just as mine did, so I looked it up: the Germans designated B flat as B and B natural as H.

73

Brian G8ADD