View Full Version : Selling Transceivers with no MICs
w2rdt
05-29-2008, 04:54 AM
Time after time, you read an ad to find the radio is a 9-9.5
pristine in side and out. No smoke environment,
Hams are retty sly old dawgs, I bet the hams sellin this
equipment, have no clue you can patch a mic inti the xcvr with
some test leads.
They all sell No Hand Mic.
Wish they didnt omit the mic, I dont want a car with the
ignition parts missin why need a transceiver that has a mic missing.
WA9SVD
05-29-2008, 05:32 AM
There's always a key... (hint hint...)
Mics can get misplaced, broken, loaned to another, or replaced with a different type (desk mic, boom mic,) and the original sold, given away, etc. Some radios can be that of an SK, and the family has no clue as to what was originally included with the radio.
If you want a mic, buy one; if you buy a radio without the mic, just figure the price should be $20-40 less, and negotiate.
Shouldn't be a problem.
N4AUD
05-29-2008, 05:35 AM
The mic that came with my TS-570 went bad.
I don't know if my TS-520 CAME with a mic, but I doubt it.
I have two HF transceivers, and several mics. It's not difficult to put a plug on the end of a cable after you match the impedance.
Why don't HF transceivers come with keys, OM?
Not all transceivers come with mics when you buy them new. As mentioned, why don't all rigs come with keys, or digitial interfaces? If you think about it, the entry level ham has more HF bands that require a key than require a mic.
73 de Joseph Durnal NE3R
It's not a deal breaker for me if a rig is sold without a mic. What matters more is the price, and condition of the radio. As long as you know the PTT scheme for the rig, wiring up a mic is no major thing to do. You just need to have the right impedance mic, and the right mic connector. I've wired up numerous mics. For example: my 6m rig is a FT-620B I bought last year, that is in great shape. I don't like desk mics (with the exception of the Astatic D-104 - which I wired up for my Johnson Viking II). So, I didn't want the desk mic that the seller at the swapfest had wired up for it. The guy let me choose a hand mic for it, from the pile he had at his table. I took an old Regency CB mic (it was the right impedance), bought the proper connector from another seller, and I was good to go. The mic works fine with the FT-620B. If you can wire up a cable for a CW key, wiring up a mic is only slightly more difficult.
73,
Ellen - AF9J
K8EEI
05-29-2008, 10:52 AM
Who needs a mic ? I use a key .:)
K0HWY
05-29-2008, 12:45 PM
We don't need any stinkin' mics. :p
The $10,000+ icom 7800 doesn't come with a mic.
I put away the original mic from my ProIII. I don't even know where it is.
And if I sell the transceiver, I'm not giving away my Heil pro set quiet phone with it.
wa3vjb
05-29-2008, 01:24 PM
Manufacturers realize many people will want to dress up the sound of their new transceiver with a microphone of higher quality than what would typically be thrown in with the rig.
Since there is a wide variety of high quality microphones, you get to choose the one that matches what you want to accomplish.
The mic that was thrown in has probably long since been thrown out, because people want to avoid having "Space Shuttle Audio," as it has come to be known.
So go buy one, comforted by the fact only your tobacco mung, beer foam, and other unidentified spittle and detritus will be on the windscreen from here on.
N9MOQ
05-29-2008, 01:25 PM
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As mentioned by some in other threads, someone that doesn't keep the original box, manual, and accessories, most likely doesn't take care of their radio and you don't want to buy it from them.
Or they have an XYL who thinks that saving an old box is being a pack rat!
WA6MHZ
05-29-2008, 01:56 PM
One of the most common radios for sale on Ebay is the Heathkit Twoer, which Gazzilons must have been made of. Each one came with the little square Turner mike, but when the Twoers are put up for sale, they RARELY have a mic included. That is because the seller knows he can sell the Mic for alot more than the radio. Why? Because the sellers won't sell the radio with a mike, and once a buyer has the radio, its useless without a mic. So he has to wait for a mic to be listed, and then BID and BID HIGH to get it, against all the others who got Twoers without mikes. So a Twoer might go for $20 and the mic go for $40!
Sellers are just so greedy! By the way, a Twoer is absolutely useless without a mic unless you modify it to take a generic one, causing the radio to be non-stock.
WA6MHZ
05-29-2008, 01:59 PM
Or they have an XYL who thinks that saving an old box is being a pack rat!
Heathkit boxes are very sought after and valuable. I have a box to a HR-10 that I bet would sell for much more on Ebay than the HR-10 itself!
KB2FCV
05-29-2008, 02:14 PM
I have a few rigs that are SSB/CW capable that have never had a mic plugged into it as long as I have owned them. Some people have no need for a mic. If they are selling them used, perhaps they have misplaced the microphone (my basement is good at swallowing small things such as microphones..)
Sellers are just so greedy!
THIS LINK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism) should suffice to explain that phenomenon...
WA2ZDY
05-29-2008, 02:50 PM
When I'm gone my wife will be selling my rig with no mic. I sold the mic a long time ago. In the box though will likely be a couple of bugs (a 1929 and a 1965 Original,) a J38 and a few paddles. I'm also working on a lefty bug so that might be in there too.
Mics are of no use to me here.
ab9lz
05-29-2008, 03:12 PM
Mics are of no use to me here.
My five year old daughter uses my mikes to play "rescue hero" down at the end of the bench... a little whacker in the making perhaps.
She is a little confused though, she sings "beep beep beep" into them. :)
73 m/4
WA9SVD
05-29-2008, 03:13 PM
I have a few rigs that are SSB/CW capable that have never had a mic plugged into it as long as I have owned them. Some people have no need for a mic. If they are selling them used, perhaps they have misplaced the microphone (my basement is good at swallowing small things such as microphones..)
AH! You have also discovered the "Wandering Pet Black Hole" phenomenon that escaped even Einstein. They are ubiquitious, and randomly swallow small electronic components, sometimes items as large as a microphone, and are often found in the vicinity of laundry appliances, where they voraciously consume sox and various other undergarments...
Guys - a rig without a mic is a hint.
A hint that you should discover a fun and exciting mode. :)
k8wpj
05-29-2008, 03:18 PM
of course used rigs come with no mics...
This phenomenon is especially common with rigs of the hamfest or ebay variety...
It saves the hamfester from having the tools needed to show the rig actually puts out, and in the case of the ebayer, saves him from any embarrassment by allowing him to justifiably be able to state,
"I was not able to test this, so it's sold as is..."
k8wpj
05-29-2008, 03:20 PM
Guys - a rig without a mic is a hint.
A hint that you should discover a fun and exciting mode. :)
the mode of troubleshooting a rig with no RF output... :rolleyes:
"Well, it worked the last time it was used before i packed it away in the smelly old damp basement 35 years ago..."
the mode of troubleshooting a rig with no RF output... :rolleyes:
"Well, it worked the last time it was used before i packed it away in the smelly old damp basement 35 years ago..."
What do you mean? You absolutely can get rf out of a rig that doesn't have a mic... Remember this is a HAM radio, not a CB radio.
What do you mean? You absolutely can get rf out of a rig that doesn't have a mic... Remember this is a HAM radio, not a CB radio.
Queue Charlie's usual comments: "Code speed: 0WPM" ... :D
WA2ZDY
05-29-2008, 04:27 PM
My five year old daughter uses my mikes to play "rescue hero" down at the end of the bench...
My kids (boys, aged 7 and 9 years) use old Motorola HTs for that. Cops and robbers, fire chief, etc. A good use for what cost the taxpayers THOUSANDS of dollars not all that many years ago, dontcha think?!
a little whacker in the making perhaps.
We have a few Motorola HTs here on GMRS and one of them, a P-200, is for my 9 year old's use when out of eyesight on his bike. Goofy looking but effective and his friends don't make of him so why not? Quite a few kids around here have FRS leashes and they all want to know why they can't hear my son!
She is a little confused though, she sings "beep beep beep" into them.
Ha, good one. She's got the right idea though. It shows what a good influence you are upon her young mind.
The last 3 new HF rigs I bought I never used the stock mic with and they went with th rigs when sold.
However, I have bought many without mics. Not a big deal.
N4AUD
05-29-2008, 04:50 PM
the mode of troubleshooting a rig with no RF output... :rolleyes:
"Well, it worked the last time it was used before i packed it away in the smelly old damp basement 35 years ago..."
Mine have "send" or "xmit" buttons. You don't need a mic or a key to check RF output.
I would never use a USED mic... yuck.
KB2FCV
05-29-2008, 05:08 PM
It saves the hamfester from having the tools needed to show the rig actually puts out,
I would think a straight key is a better tool for that...
Mine have "send" or "xmit" buttons. You don't need a mic or a key to check RF output.
Exactly.
My comment about CB radios - some CB radios have an interlock where you won't hear receive audio without a mic plugged in. No idea why they're made this way.
k8wpj
05-29-2008, 06:05 PM
I would think a straight key is a better tool for that...
I guess i am just too 'DJ' for my own good... I would never buy a rig of any sort, without being able to hear how it sounds on the air, and for that, i need a mic...
Forgive me for I have offended the CW gods... There is more than one way to radiate...
I guess i am just too 'DJ' for my own good... I would never buy a rig of any sort, without being able to hear how it sounds on the air, and for that, i need a mic...
Forgive me for I have offended the CW gods... There is more than one way to radiate...
I guess you won't be buying an HW8...or a K1/K2...a Rockmite...or any of the gazillion other CW-only rigs out there. Right?
W0LPQ
05-29-2008, 07:19 PM
How many Collins rigs were supplied with a mic ...? They were extra, depending upon what you wanted.
My SR-150 manual does not idicate any mic was supplied, only that it requires a high impedance unit.
Likewise, the TR-4C manual does not idicate any mic supplied, but again, it is required to be a high impedance unit.
The old Globe DSB-100 did not come with a mic either. I got it brand new from the outfit called WRL.
So, maybe, just maybe, the radio was NOT supplied with a mic.
KB2FCV
05-29-2008, 07:34 PM
I guess i am just too 'DJ' for my own good... I would never buy a rig of any sort, without being able to hear how it sounds on the air, and for that, i need a mic...
Forgive me for I have offended the CW gods... There is more than one way to radiate...
Heh, you must now be wary of the CW gods hurling dits and dahs at you!!! :eek:
What I was saying for measuring output, I would think the key is better due to the fact you are putting out a continuous carrier. I suppose you could use AM and a mic to do the same thing.
W0LPQ
05-29-2008, 07:54 PM
If you are speaking of newer solid state rigs ... no. CW output would (or should be) full 100W. AM is around 40W max. So indications on a watt meter would differ.
wa9cwx
05-30-2008, 01:33 AM
I just sold a rig on eBay without a mic.
I was simply honest in the description. I had missplaced the mic over the years.
I bought it new, had taken excellent care of the rig, and had sent it to the factory for an option install and update. It was in virtually perfect physical and electrical condition.
I included the original shipping carton and manual, both also in excellent condition. I also included a Mic connector and cable.
It sold for almost what I bought it for seven years ago.
Obviously someone felt they were getting a great deal (and they DID!).
Frank
k4kyv
05-30-2008, 03:29 AM
As mentioned by some in other threads, someone that doesn't keep the original box, manual, and accessories, most likely doesn't take care of their radio and you don't want to buy it from them.
I never could figure out what's so magic about the "original box". It's nothing but a CARDBOARD BOX for heaven's sake! Since a box always takes up more space than its contents, if I had saved the original box for every piece of electronic equipment I ever bought, there wouldn't be room in the house for anything else, because it would be full of empty boxes. I know of very few people fortunate enough to have the storage space to accommodate all those "original boxes".
WA9SVD
05-30-2008, 03:36 AM
When I'm gone my wife will be selling my rig with no mic. I sold the mic a long time ago. In the box though will likely be a couple of bugs (a 1929 and a 1965 Original,) a J38 and a few paddles. I'm also working on a lefty bug so that might be in there too.
Mics are of no use to me here.
PLEASE !!! Can I buy that J-38 "PRE-humously?" I've been looking for one in good condition for a LONG time.:(
ve6wtf
05-30-2008, 11:45 AM
Time after time, you read an ad to find the radio is a 9-9.5
pristine in side and out. No smoke environment,
Hams are retty sly old dawgs, I bet the hams sellin this
equipment, have no clue you can patch a mic inti the xcvr with
some test leads.
They all sell No Hand Mic.
Wish they didnt omit the mic, I dont want a car with the
ignition parts missin why need a transceiver that has a mic missing.
So if I told you I had a QRP pixie 2 for sale.. would you also buy this spare mic I cant seem to get rid of? hi hi
Selling a radio without a mic, is like selling a car without a radio.
Most people include a cheap one just to satisfy picky buyers, but most sensible buyers just simply don't care.
WA9SVD
05-30-2008, 01:08 PM
I would think a straight key is a better tool for that...
Trouble is, some people don't even know what a key looks like, much less how it's used.:(
N9MOQ
05-30-2008, 01:23 PM
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No, it also has styrofoam that fits and protects the items better than just throwing something in a box. They are good for transporting the item for repairs, moving, storage, or if you EVER PLAN TO RESELL IT. When you get to retirement age, if you still have your radios and the original boxes, and it has reached collector or antique status, it also improves the value of the item. Many times boxes for old items can be worth MORE than the item themselves, because of their rarity.
40 years from now, I don't think anyone will care for an Icom 756 ProIII box. I doubt it will be all that rare.
N9MOQ
05-30-2008, 01:27 PM
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W4HAY
05-30-2008, 01:44 PM
I'd rather the rig (new or used) come w/o a mike and have a few bucks knocked off the price. Those hand mikes are a POS anyway.
Or those people that sell their homes and take their refridgerator, washing machine, and dryer with them, and don't include them in the sale.
My house didn't come with a washer and dryer. You mean when you buy a house they are supposed to come with those?
Did your house come with furniture and a TV too? How about a car in the garage?
The seller didn't send a mike with my K1, either!
Cortland
KA5S
The seller didn't send a mike with my K1, either!
Cortland
KA5S
LOL - I was wondering why my K1 didn't come with one from Elecraft LOL
n9lya
05-30-2008, 02:24 PM
time and time again.. Someone complains about how someone else sells their equipment... IF you do not want one without a mic do not bid or buy it... DUH...
73 Jerry n9lya
Time after time, you read an ad to find the radio is a 9-9.5
pristine in side and out. No smoke environment,
Hams are retty sly old dawgs, I bet the hams sellin this
equipment, have no clue you can patch a mic inti the xcvr with
some test leads.
They all sell No Hand Mic.
Wish they didnt omit the mic, I dont want a car with the
ignition parts missin why need a transceiver that has a mic missing.
n9lya
05-30-2008, 02:28 PM
Why on earth would you need a mic to make sure the RIG puts out??
Please Splain that thought...
The Dumbing down of the hobby.. Shines on the ZED...
of course used rigs come with no mics...
This phenomenon is especially common with rigs of the hamfest or ebay variety...
It saves the hamfester from having the tools needed to show the rig actually puts out, and in the case of the ebayer, saves him from any embarrassment by allowing him to justifiably be able to state,
"I was not able to test this, so it's sold as is..."
n9lya
05-30-2008, 02:37 PM
MOQ again is someone does not AGREE with the terms they can JUST SAY NO.. if you bought a house without these applicanes you wanted it too contain then you simply AGREED... So no place to complain...
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If you BUY a Rig with no Mic then you AGREED to the sale...
Besides all my HF rigs have in my house have no mic.. I use Packet Radio TNCs on my 7 HF rigs except for the 706 in my car which does have a mic for occasional use.
73 jerry
Or those people that sell their homes and take their refridgerator, washing machine, and dryer with them, and don't include them in the sale.
n9lya
05-30-2008, 02:40 PM
You must not have very many rigs???
My garage attic is 60% full of boxes from Ham Gear.. its a 24x20 area about 3 feet high...
73 jerry
No, it also has styrofoam that fits and protects the items better than just throwing something in a box. They are good for transporting the item for repairs, moving, storage, or if you EVER PLAN TO RESELL IT. When you get to retirement age, if you still have your radios and the original boxes, and it has reached collector or antique status, it also improves the value of the item. Many times boxes for old items can be worth MORE than the item themselves, because of their rarity.
The box is also the perfect place to keep the hand mic, accessories, manuals, and anything else for the item you are not using, but want to be able to find years later for some reason. (or to SELL it)
The closet in a radio room can be used for any boxes related to radios. Many smaller item boxes can be put into bigger boxes for TVs, stereos, and then only one box contains dozens of smaller boxes. Shelves can be made in attics, garages, utility rooms, etc, for storage.
I have all the original boxes, and yet those that come over to visit never see them, they are well hidden and out of view.
WA6MHZ
05-30-2008, 03:15 PM
You must not have very many rigs???
My garage attic is 60% full of boxes from Ham Gear.. its a 24x20 area about 3 feet high...
73 jerry
If only my garage were that empty!! My 2 car garage is full floor to ceiling, wall to wall and in the rafters too, with only a little 2 ft wide path from the door to the wifes washing machine and dryer in the back. And it is carefuly guarded my a fierce legion of Black Widow Spiders!
LOL - I was wondering why my K1 didn't come with one from Elecraft LOL
Heck, even the pricey Icom 7800 don't come with a mic. They expect you to buy one.
<sarcasm> You pay $10k for a rig, they should at least give you a mic! The nerve! <sarcasm>
WA9SVD
05-30-2008, 03:42 PM
MOQ again is someone does not AGREE with the terms they can JUST SAY NO.. if you bought a house without these applicanes you wanted it too contain then you simply AGREED... So no place to complain...
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If you BUY a Rig with no Mic then you AGREED to the sale...
Besides all my HF rigs have in my house have no mic.. I use Packet Radio TNCs on my 7 HF rigs except for the 706 in my car which does have a mic for occasional use.
73 jerry
Last I heard, new homes don't normally come with appliances, and many homeowners only leave appliances when they sell because the appliances aren't worth moving because of age or mechanical malfunctions.
N9MOQ
05-30-2008, 03:43 PM
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n9lya
05-30-2008, 04:02 PM
I was referring to the garage ATTIC...
The main area is another story.. Youhave to be an acrobat to manuver in my garage floor space... It is a major job top get to the attic, must move probably 500 pounds of Crap to get to the pull down stairs... lol
It will hold 2 and half cars.. I could never figur out how to buy half a car... But at this time it only holds one the other 1 and a half is filled with STUFF...
Mostly non ham but some ham gear and accessories as well..
73 Jerry n9lya
If only my garage were that empty!! My 2 car garage is full floor to ceiling, wall to wall and in the rafters too, with only a little 2 ft wide path from the door to the wifes washing machine and dryer in the back. And it is carefuly guarded my a fierce legion of Black Widow Spiders!
WA9SVD
05-30-2008, 04:09 PM
I use desk mics. I gave my hand mike to a "newbie" who needed it. Guess that makes me a pretty low life person should I ever decide to sell my radio...:mad:
n9lya
05-30-2008, 04:09 PM
Hi MOQ...
I have know people to take their appliances with them and furnish the house with junk they bought at a used appliance store for $50...
So I undertsand whta you are saying..
But.. A lot of HF rigs when new do not come with mics and like me a Digital ham... I do not have mics for but one or two HF rigs and a 2 meter mobile and a 706 that I do use fro voice... The other 20 or so rigs I own did not come with a mic nor have one available from me.. And I do not need them.. If I decided to sell these rigs which would be without a mic or I would have to buy a mic at say $30 pay for shipping and jack up the cost of the rig by probably $50 to cover the mic and shipping..
When you can probably buy your preferred mic for the same $30 plus shipping and that way you get what you want.. not what I decided you should get...
I bought them without mics and never had a need to buy one for them...
Anyway ... Thats my take on it...
Have a nice day and stay cool.
73 jerry n9lya
QUOTE=N9MOQ;1238909]Absolutely. Thus I have never bought a house without those appliances, or a radio without a mic. The point is more about what type of person doesn't include these things, or is so cheap as to rip out those appliances and take them with.
You can tell by the condidtion of those appliances, how well maintained the rest of the house is. Even if they include the appliances, but they look like they came out of a trash dump, the rest of the house isn't going to be in such great condition either, and probably best to avoid wasting time with a home inspector, just walk away and look for another home.
One home I once looked at, the owner said the refridgerator wasn't included, but if I wanted it, they would sell it to me for $600. I told them I could buy a brand new one, much nicer for LESS than that. (which back then, you could) Needless to say, once a dirty deal like that is even mentioned, I walk away, because who knows what else would come up in the sale later by a person like that.
If I ever sell my house, why would I want the bother of taking the refridgerator, washer and dryer out and putting them in another house? The cost, time and hassle of that would just not be worth it.
This is not really about being mad at not getting some used appliances with a home, or not having a hand mic that you would never use anyway, it is about what type of person doesn't include these things, and how it tells you if it is a seller you really want to be doing business with.
No different than a car insurance company wanting to know if you are married or not, or what your credit history is, before determining what rates they would give you, or what risk you are to their company to insure.
You can tell a lot about a person by if they take care to keep original boxes and accessories, as to how well they treated that radio and maintained it.
You can tell a lot about a home seller that is the type who says the washer and dryer are not staying.
It has nothing to do with me wanting their used washer and dryer so much, I would rather pick out my own models. This is about determining character of the seller.
Just as you can determine the character of a person that would attack one for stating these comments here. And which here are guilty of doing the above by the emotional response they post! :D[/QUOTE]
Absolutely. Thus I have never bought a house without those appliances, or a radio without a mic. The point is more about what type of person doesn't include these things, or is so cheap as to rip out those appliances and take them with.
You can tell by the condidtion of those appliances, how well maintained the rest of the house is. Even if they include the appliances, but they look like they came out of a trash dump, the rest of the house isn't going to be in such great condition either, and probably best to avoid wasting time with a home inspector, just walk away and look for another home.
One home I once looked at, the owner said the refridgerator wasn't included, but if I wanted it, they would sell it to me for $600. I told them I could buy a brand new one, much nicer for LESS than that. (which back then, you could) Needless to say, once a dirty deal like that is even mentioned, I walk away, because who knows what else would come up in the sale later by a person like that.
If I ever sell my house, why would I want the bother of taking the refridgerator, washer and dryer out and putting them in another house? The cost, time and hassle of that would just not be worth it.
This is not really about being mad at not getting some used appliances with a home, or not having a hand mic that you would never use anyway, it is about what type of person doesn't include these things, and how it tells you if it is a seller you really want to be doing business with.
No different than a car insurance company wanting to know if you are married or not, or what your credit history is, before determining what rates they would give you, or what risk you are to their company to insure.
You can tell a lot about a person by if they take care to keep original boxes and accessories, as to how well they treated that radio and maintained it.
You can tell a lot about a home seller that is the type who says the washer and dryer are not staying.
It has nothing to do with me wanting their used washer and dryer so much, I would rather pick out my own models. This is about determining character of the seller.
Just as you can determine the character of a person that would attack one for stating these comments here. And which here are guilty of doing the above by the emotional response they post! :D
Are you serious?
Last radio I bought, without a mic, was a Kenwood TS-440. I'd give it an 8 out of 10 because it wasn't spotless and I'm never giving a perfect 10.
But the radio looked and performed really well. Still have it on my desk, turn it on occasionally and use it just for kicks.
But it has NO mic that came with it.
What it did come with was the narrow CW filter, which I found more useful than the mic.
g3hge
05-30-2008, 11:11 PM
We don't need any stinkin' mics. :p
So you too saw "The Treasure Of the Sierra Madre" starring H . Bogart !!
Mexican bandido to the treasure hunters " we dont want your stinkin' guns "
73 Tom G3HGE
N9MOQ
05-30-2008, 11:28 PM
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WA9SVD
05-31-2008, 03:52 AM
That's a nice radio.
If it was mine, that I had bought new when it came out, I would have the microphone with it (even though I wouldn't have used that mic) the manual, and the box, and it would be a 10 in condition, not an 8.
Unfortunately, if you want a TS-440, you have no choice but to buy used, and if there are two for sale, and the one without the mic is in better condition, then that would be the one to get.
My theory, is that if there are two for sale and one didn't have the mic, the one that DID have the mic would most likely be the one in better condition.
Absolutely.
Just not sure why you make that jump in logic. I just don't see why having the original mic (IF it was provided) is an indication of greater quality of the radio. Again, many operators use higher quality mics than the original, and ofter take excellent care of their equipment; but the last thing on their mind is selling their dearly beloved radio. Twenty years later, they decide they want, deserve, or otherwise are in the market for a new model radio (Sort of like trading in or selling the old '68 Beetle for a new '08 Jetta) and the original mic is nowhere to be found.
Does that mean the radio has been misused, abused, or handled with other than kit gloves?
For al anyone knows, the radio might have been used be a little old lady from Pasadena, who only cheked into a net once a week for a couple of minutes. And her grandkids smashed the original mic playing cops and robbers.
N9MOQ
06-03-2008, 04:36 PM
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ai4ep
06-03-2008, 04:42 PM
:)
selling the radio without the mike .....!!! (wow)
what a fantastic idea...make more ( MORE ) money !!
now why did I not think of that ??
:)
selling the radio without the mike .....!!! (wow)
what a fantastic idea...make more ( MORE ) money !!
now why did I not think of that ??
Well, now that you mention it...
A TS-480SAT followed me home from the hamfest on Sunday, much to my incredible surprise. So at some point in the future, my TS-140S is probably going to be finding a new home. (Not definite, I have some other ideas, but there's only so much room in the shack)
The '480 does not come with a mike, but it does take a standard Kenwood mike, like the MC-60 currently on the '140. (Once I get the adapter cable, of course)
So when it's time comes, if it comes, the '140 will be sold sans mike.
Sorry to hear that you think that I'm being greedy by doing so.
WA2ZDY
06-03-2008, 06:06 PM
W3WN, it's a funny thing how I was also a TS140 owner and one day a 480SAT followed me home too. My 480 came new from a store though.
To use that mic though you'll have to put a modular plug on it or make (or buy) the adapter. If you make it yourself, remember to make it plenty long; the mic plugs into the main chassis, not the control head.
ai4ep
06-03-2008, 08:05 PM
...looks like the folks at KENWOOD did not think of that part.
WA9SVD
06-03-2008, 08:32 PM
Do you see why someone being married is a greater indication of them being a safer driver? Or a student with higher grades being a safer driver? Insurance companies do.
Here's the logic. Someone that bothers to keep the microphone and/or box and manuals, is the type of person that is going to take better care of the radio in general.
If auto insurance companies were insuring Ham Radios, no doubt there would be better rates for those that keep the original mics and boxes.
And many single drivers can be found that drive safer than married people do. But if you give that argument to your insurance company, it isn't going to change their policy.
We aren't interested in exceptions to the rule.
Yes someone could break into your house and steal your microphone, and no that doesn't mean your radio suddenly gets in worse condition because of it.
Your logic is flawed, but you are welcome to hold any standard you wish. If you are buying a used auto, are you buying what is offered, or are you buying it based on the fact that an honor roll student was the driver? HOW does that ensure the auto was properly cared for, and not abused?
I know many operators whose first action is to connect a high quality desk mike to their radfio, and don't care diddly about the (in their opinion, at least) lousy mic that came with the radio. And packing boxes over the years can succumb to spousal abuse, flood, and just plain age. Some packing boxes stored in attics or the rafters of garages literally disintegrate after ten years of storage. I'd think LESS if such packaging were provided that if a clean radio were offered au naturel., even if it WERE sans microphone.
(BTW, you have obviously never experienced the numerous "once in a hundred year" storms during the '50's in the Chicago area, where even people with basement sump pumps had 4-6 feet of water in their basement. Would you really want a radio shipped to you in such a box that an Amateur had carefully stored in their basement? When such an occurence comes to pass, the LAST things any sane person is going to worry about are empty boxes, no matter WHAT they originally held.)
W0LPQ
06-03-2008, 10:40 PM
9MOQ, 2RDT, 2RJ ... as I said on page 3, what about those radios who were NOT supplied with a mic ...?? Collins, Hallicrafters, Drake, Courtland's K-1 as examples.
So, if a guy is selling those with no mic, I guess according to you guys, the seller is a dud. Nice.
ai4ep
06-03-2008, 10:43 PM
great idea to sell rigs with no mike...but please DO include a cw key ( at a moderate price increase ) .
W3WN, it's a funny thing how I was also a TS140 owner and one day a 480SAT followed me home too. My 480 came new from a store though.
To use that mic though you'll have to put a modular plug on it or make (or buy) the adapter. If you make it yourself, remember to make it plenty long; the mic plugs into the main chassis, not the control head.
Well, I'll tell you Chris, I've been going to the Breezeshooters' Hamfest for something like 28 years back; missed a few in between due to work conflicts, but I've been to most of them in between.
Never won so much as a book of matches there.
So I never expect to win anything; and went into total shock when WA3NB called me on the repeater, and N3ZNI left me a message on the cell phone, to inform me (I'd left around an hour prior to the drawing, when the flea market area was clearing out). Fortunately for me, N3SBF & KB3GMN were kind enough to pick up the rig and drop it off on their way home, which also saved the Breezeshooters some shekels for shipping handling & insurance!
I am aware of the adapater cable plugging into the main chassis (some ICOM V/UHF dual band rigs do that too) which won't be a problem. I had planned some shack redesign/reconstruction later this summer (my antique desk in the shack is going to move up to my daughter's room, it's a better fit for her anyway), I'm just going to have to move the timing up! The rig's staying put, regardless. I've had some people tell me to use it as a mobile, but I drive so little right now (I take the "T" trolley/subway downtown to work), that would be a waste, anyway.
Since you have a '480, tell me -- did you purchase any of the optional narrow filters (especially the 500 Hz CW filter) and if so, did they make a significant difference? I don't mind getting the filter if it will help, but if the DSP filtering is more than sufficient, I won't bother with it! I'm curious about any other feedback you have about the rig as well.
73
N9MOQ
06-04-2008, 12:25 AM
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WA9SVD
06-04-2008, 03:30 AM
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Let me ask you just as ridiculous a question:
Would you want a radio that didn't come with a microphone and no original box, that was completely rusted out, had all the knobs missing, and was smashed to bits with a sledgehammer?
Nope. And I wouldn't want it even if it came WITH an immaculate microphone and a box in perfect condition...
On the other hand, if the radio were in immaculate condition and performed properly on the air, the lack of an original box or hand mic would give me little if any pause, save perhaps for asking the price be reduced maybe $20-$30 to compensate for the lack of the mic. But not a deal breaker either way.