Michael Moore on Larry King

[W1GUH]

The interview just got over...check here for the video to turn up...

No...they said there's going to be more


Larry King on CNN (http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/larry.king.live/)

I'll watch and post the link when it's available.

Mr. Moore said some good things about this campaign, the 911 flick, and Charlton Heston.

No, he didn't come off as a flamer, but as a well spoken, intelligent person.

[KC9IUX]

Maker of fictional films.

Fake "common man", typical elitist.

[w5klb]

So...

Tubby gets on Larry King. And this should impress us beeecaaause... ?

[W1GUH]

Two ways to find that out...

Watch one of his movies; I recommend Roger and Me

Watch the video of this interview when it's available.

Yes, he's fat. That's important because?

[n2ize]

Two ways to find that out...

Watch one of his movies; I recommend Roger and Me

Watch the video of this interview when it's available.

Yes, he's fat. That's important because?

It's important because some people have nothing better to say. They don't like what the person has to say so they need to attack whatever they can, even the persons weight. That's how shallow people can get.

I don't agree with everything Moore says or does. There may be some discrepancies in some of his claims. But there are also many things that are true. Truth is always hard for some people to deal with.

[w5klb]

Two ways to find that out...

Watch one of his movies; I recommend Roger and Me

Watch the video of this interview when it's available.

Yes, he's fat. That's important because?

Moore+That Gas Guzzling SUV he drives = One heck of a carbon footprint.
Al(mighty) Gore will be displeased.

Moore should be the poster child for "Dunlap Disease."

P.S. I don't watch socialist indoctrination or propaganda.

[w5klb]

It's important because some people have nothing better to say. They don't like what the person has to say so they need to attack whatever they can, even the persons weight. That's how shallow people can get.

I don't agree with everything Moore says or does. There may be some discrepancies in some of his claims. But there are also many things that are true. Truth is always hard for some people to deal with.

Don't you have some blunts to roll or a bong to refill?

[W1GUH]

P.S. I don't watch socialist indoctrination or propaganda.


In that case, where do you get your information about Mr. Moore?

Could you share what you know about him, and where you learned that information?

[n2ize]

Don't you have some blunts to roll or a bong to refill?

No comment. I don't understand what narcotics have to do with the conversation. If you would like to have a civil, sensible, and respectful conversation on the topic at hand I'd be happy to engage you. But if all you can do is engage in put downs, and nonsense about blunts and bongs I am really not interested. I graduated high school a long time ago and have left the juvenile remarks behind.

[KV1M]

No comment. I don't understand what narcotics have to do with the conversation. If you would like to have a civil, sensible, and respectful conversation on the topic at hand I'd be happy to engage you. But if all you can do is engage in put downs, and nonsense about blunts and bongs I am really not interested. I graduated high school a long time ago and have left the juvenile remarks behind.

Don't bother, these knuckledraggers are anti elitist.
You know, the "I'm voting for stupid" crowd.
Information or truth has no place in their world.
It's elitist.

[N4VGB]

Don't bother, these knuckledraggers are anti elitist.



Yes indeed, the majority of the world are anti elitist. :)

[KC9IUX]

I'm anti elitist.

Elitists have disdain for the "commoners".

Elitists seem to think they were born with spurs on their heels, while the rest of us were born with saddles on our backs.

Elitists believe they should rule. Why? Because they are the elite, that's why.

[w2amr]

No, he didn't come off as a flamer, but as a well spoken, intelligent person.
He is also a true American Hero.

[k3roj]

Michael Moore says it like it is and can get away with it, unlike our good friend Don Imus. We are not allowed to say anything that may hurt peoples feelings. I talk to station in Europe who laughs at our situation here in the USA. He says we should have the right to pick and choose people we want to be friends with, not who our Government says we must "love".

[KV1M]

Yes indeed, the majority of the world are anti elitist. :)

Nope, only you guys.

Not like you'd know though. That would require actual travel outside the US to find out.

[KV1M]

I'm anti elitist.

Elitists have disdain for the "commoners".

Elitists seem to think they were born with spurs on their heels, while the rest of us were born with saddles on our backs.

Elitists believe they should rule. Why? Because they are the elite, that's why.

You have no idea what the word elitist means, do you?

[KV1M]

Michael Moore says it like it is and can get away with it, unlike our good friend Don Imus. We are not allowed to say anything that may hurt peoples feelings. I talk to station in Europe who laughs at our situation here in the USA. He says we should have the right to pick and choose people we want to be friends with, not who our Government says we must "love".

What? Europeans laugh at you alright but not for that.

[N4VGB]

He is also a true American Hero.

Stop, you're killing me with laughter!!! :D:D:D

[N4VGB]

You have no idea what the word elitist means, do you?

Let me help you out on this Todd, even though you qualify as a founding father of the group!

1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
2.
a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.

:eek::eek::eek:

[KV1M]

Let me help you out on this Todd, even though you qualify as a founding father of the group!

1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
2.
a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.

:eek::eek::eek:

Wrong again:

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— elite adjective

[N4VGB]

In your particular case, the word dillusional will suffice. :D

[n2ize]

Michael Moore says it like it is and can get away with it, unlike our good friend Don Imus. We are not allowed to say anything that may hurt peoples feelings. I talk to station in Europe who laughs at our situation here in the USA. He says we should have the right to pick and choose people we want to be friends with, not who our Government says we must "love".

Whats so great about saying things that hurt peoples feelings ? Is that a prideful event ?

[K0RGR]

Yes, there are elitists on both sides of the fence.

There are the academic elitists, most often in the liberal camp, who do certainly hold themselves to be wiser than the rest of the world. By some means, they have acquired a position of perceived superiority, and they often forget that they, too, put their pants on one leg at a time.

There are the economic elitists, found mostly among conservatives, who believe that wealth and power make right. They believe that good breeding is as important as hard work, and that the ultra-wealthy should be allowed to pass their enormous economic power to new generations, without interference, forming a 'landed gentry'. They trace their authority through their bloodlines to a time when the "Divine Right of Kings" was the rule.

I guess it depends on which side you think more closely reflects that "American Ideal".

[KB9YCO]

I don't always agree with Micheal Moore either, and I think in the case of some his movies, most notably Fahrenheit 9-11, he does somewhat of a disservice to the valid facts that were presented in the movie with his propagandist style which is an instant turn off to many people. That being said I don't think he's always wrong, and I'll give plenty of credit for at least getting the dialog going on many of these issues.
I think his best show was his TV show "The Awful Truth" which did a nice job of presenting a topic and it's common misconceptions and finding the core truth of the issue. The show wasn't nearly as over the top as some of his movies (maybe why it didn't last?) and had some really interesting topics during it's run.
I'll look for this Larry King interview though, like I said I give Moore credit for at least making people talk about issues whether or not I personally agree on his take on them.

[W1GUH]

In that case, where do you get your information about Mr. Moore?

Could you share what you know about him, and where you learned that information?

Notice the lack of any response at all to a sincere appeal for information.

[n2ize]

Notice the lack of any response at all to a sincere appeal for information.

No surprise. When you get past all the smoke and mirrors and put-downs they have very little left to say.

[KV1M]

No surprise. When you get past all the smoke and mirrors and put-downs they have very little left to say.

Of course they don't, but they are quick to demand proof from you.
Then they go back to unsubstantiated name calling and stupidity when you provide the proof for them.

Chattering monkeys slinging poo comes to mind.

[K3UD]

I have read the book "Call Me Roger" by Albert Lee. I think there was no doubt that Roger Smith of General Motors almost drove GM into chaos and came close to wrecking the company during his tenure. It was after I read the book that I saw Michael Moore's movie about Roger and GM, called Roger and Me. I think the Moore, for the most part had it right as to the agony that GM, it's employees and the towns that relied on GM for their economy. I also think that this was Moore's high point in journalism. Moore evidently did a lot of research on the project and made his reputation.

However, he began to get lazy with his research and in the end has become a caricature of himself. Back then I do not think that he was a muckraker, but now he seems to revel in it. He has his following who will believe anything he says, which keeps him going.

73
George
K3UD

[w5klb]

Don't you have some blunts to roll or a bong to refill?



No comment...

But of course. ;)

Heeeeeelarious. :D:D:D:D

[n2ize]

I have read the book "Call Me Roger" by Albert Lee. I think there was no doubt that Roger Smith of General Motors almost drove GM into chaos and came close to wrecking the company during his tenure. It was after I read the book that I saw Michael Moore's movie about Roger and GM, called Roger and Me. I think the Moore, for the most part had it right as to the agony that GM, it's employees and the towns that relied on GM for their economy. I also think that this was Moore's high point in journalism. Moore evidently did a lot of research on the project and made his reputation.

However, he began to get lazy with his research and in the end has become a caricature of himself. Back then I do not think that he was a muckraker, but now he seems to revel in it. He has his following who will believe anything he says, which keeps him going.

73
George
K3UD

Perhaps Moore's main goal is publicity. Perhaps he could be more concise in his journalism. I think more normal people don't believe in everything he says. However, in his 2 subsequent films, "Fahrenheit 911" and "Bowling for Columbine" he does raise some interesting and valid points and does present a great deal of factual information. The purpose of either film is not so much whether everything stated in the film is 100% factual and 100% unbiased but rather how well it raises important questions and inspires critical thought. I think Moore accomplished both those goals quite well regardless. Farenheit 911 should not be something that every person takes as gospel truth. It should be something that inspires people to delve deeper, to not blindly accept every explanation that comes from the Bush administration and to ask questions of our leaders.

[K3UD]

Perhaps Moore's main goal is publicity. Perhaps he could be more concise in his journalism. I think more normal people don't believe in everything he says. However, in his 2 subsequent films, "Fahrenheit 911" and "Bowling for Columbine" he does raise some interesting and valid points and does present a great deal of factual information. The purpose of either film is not so much whether everything stated in the film is 100% factual and 100% unbiased but rather how well it raises important questions and inspires critical thought. I think Moore accomplished both those goals quite well regardless. Farenheit 911 should not be something that every person takes as gospel truth. It should be something that inspires people to delve deeper, to not blindly accept every explanation that comes from the Bush administration and to ask questions of our leaders.

I learned early on from the Johnson and the Nixon administrations that you do not blindly accept anything that comes from both Republicans and Democrats.

As far as Moore is concerned he probably does make some valid points but a lot of times his delivery is convoluted and some of his facts seem to be murky.

He is a great self promoter, but I do not swallow his brand of Kool Aid just as I don't swallow the democratic and republican brands. We have good people on both sides of the aisle. These people also do not swallow the Kool aid. I wish we had more of them working for the US as a whole instead of being fixated on the next election and how much money and projects they can bring to their state.

Imagine both parties working for us.

73
George
K3UD

[KV1M]

I fear that kind of thing is far behind us now.

[W1GUH]

I think the Moore, for the most part had it right as to the agony that GM, it's employees and the towns that relied on GM for their economy. I also think that this was Moore's high point in journalism.

I grew up in one of those towns (Pontiac), and luckily, the trashing started shortly after I left, so I pretty much escaped having to witness the city go down the tubes. What I didn't really know before seeing Roger and Me was that no, the people and the towns can't make up for it when their major tax base and source of employment leaves them in the lurch. The movie left me pretty depressed for days after viewing it.

I have read the book "Call Me Roger" by Albert Lee.

Thanks for the tip. I'll have to seek out and read that book.

However, he began to get lazy with his research and in the end has become a caricature of himself.

I'm going to have to get the DVD and watch the 911 flick again. I keep hearing this and there must be something to it, but didn't get that impression at all when I watched it the one time I did. Thanks for the info.

I doubt that you're talking about the scene with the FM reading to the children where Mr. Moore got the name of the book wrong.

[n2ize]

I grew up in one of those towns (Pontiac), and luckily, the trashing started shortly after I left, so I pretty much escaped having to witness the city go down the tubes. What I didn't really know before seeing Roger and Me was that no, the people and the towns can't make up for it when their major tax base and source of employment leaves them in the lurch. The movie left me pretty depressed for days after viewing it.



Thanks for the tip. I'll have to seek out and read that book.



I'm going to have to get the DVD and watch the 911 flick again. I keep hearing this and there must be something to it, but didn't get that impression at all when I watched it the one time I did. Thanks for the info.

I doubt that you're talking about the scene with the FM reading to the children where Mr. Moore got the name of the book wrong.

Much of what he discloses on the 911 film is not really disclosure at all. Just facts pointing to the convoluted manner in which this administration used the 911 disaster as a selling point to propagandize and promote this Iraq war.Italso indicates the arrogance of this administration and politicians in general when it comes to matter of war and life and death.

The film is not about liking or disliking Moore or even whether he is doing it to be a self serving promoter or a martyr. The film should merely serve as an indicator that we need to look closely at our leadership and its overall agendas.