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n9rzd
04-30-2008, 11:40 PM
White House admits fault on 'Mission Accomplished' banner
Apr 30, 07:08 PM EDT
By TERENCE HUNT - AP White House Correspondent
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The White House said Wednesday that President Bush has paid a price for the "Mission Accomplished" banner that was flown in triumph five years ago but later became a symbol of U.S. misjudgments and mistakes in the long and costly war in Iraq.
Thursday is the fifth anniversary of Bush's dramatic landing in a Navy jet on an aircraft carrier homebound from the war. The USS Abraham Lincoln had launched thousands of airstrikes on Iraq.
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended," Bush said at the time. "The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on Sept. 11, 2001, and still goes on." The "Mission Accomplished" banner was prominently displayed above him - a move the White House came to regret as the display was mocked and became a source of controversy.
After shifting explanations, the White House eventually said the "Mission Accomplished" phrase referred to the carrier's crew completing its 10-month mission, not the military completing its mission in Iraq. Bush, in October 2003, disavowed any connection with the "Mission Accomplished" message. He said the White House had nothing to do with the banner; a spokesman later said the ship's crew asked for the sign and the White House staff had it made by a private vendor.
"President Bush is well aware that the banner should have been much more specific and said `mission accomplished' for these sailors who are on this ship on their mission," White House press secretary Dana Perino said Wednesday. "And we have certainly paid a price for not being more specific on that banner. And I recognize that the media is going to play this up again tomorrow, as they do every single year."
She said what is important now is "how the president would describe the fight today. It's been a very tough month in Iraq, but we are taking the fight to the enemy."
At least 49 U.S. troops died in Iraq in April, making it the deadliest month since September when 65 U.S. troops died.
Now in its sixth year, the war in Iraq has claimed the lives of at least 4,061 members of the U.S. military. Only the Vietnam War (August 1964 to January 1973), the war in Afghanistan (October 2001 to present) and the Revolutionary War (July 1776 to April 1783) have engaged America longer.
Bush, in a speech earlier this month, said that "while this war is difficult, it is not endless."
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N4VGB
04-30-2008, 11:44 PM
So? :confused:
So it's a great example of dissembling, obfuscation and spin.
Yup, a great example of a lie, and the subsequent lies used to deflect the people who see through them.
And it's over something very big and serious.
N4VGB
05-01-2008, 07:19 AM
So it's a great example of dissembling, obfuscation and spin.
Yup, a great example of a lie, and the subsequent lies used to deflect the people who see through them.
And it's over something very big and serious.
On May 1,2003 when the USS Abraham Lincoln returned to port from the Persian Gulf, it had indeed accomplished it's mission and those who served on it had also accomplished their mission very well also. :p
w2amr
05-01-2008, 08:07 AM
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended,"
Pretty hard to spin that one away.
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended,"
Pretty hard to spin that one away.
Nice signature. PERFECT !
w2amr
05-01-2008, 09:33 AM
Nice signature. PERFECT !
Thanks. If I find out who put it there I'll pass that along.
VK3ZL
05-01-2008, 09:37 AM
I wonder if anyone can source the speech Bush made on the deck of that carrier under that banner ? That would be interesting..
Sounds as truthful as his spin on WMD...:confused:
On May 1,2003 when the USS Abraham Lincoln returned to port from the Persian Gulf, it had indeed accomplished it's mission and those who served on it had also accomplished their mission very well also. :p
Heard that narrow definition before and it doesn't fly.
That tripe was just spin used when the BS caught up with them.
In the context it was originally used it was about the end of major military operations in Iraq just as GW said while standing under it.
N4VGB
05-01-2008, 03:20 PM
Heard that narrow definition before and it doesn't fly.
That tripe was just spin used when the BS caught up with them.
In the context it was originally used it was about the end of major military operations in Iraq just as GW said while standing under it.
You are dense at times. Major military operations did and have ended. Have you heard of 50-100k troops moving or being involved in major battles lately? Platoon level engagements hardly compare with the initial war effort.
So what's your brilliant idea at this time Todd, cut and run? Just go ahead and urinate every life lost away for nothing? :rolleyes:
You are dense at times. Major military operations did and have ended. Have you heard of 50-100k troops moving or being involved in major battles lately? Platoon level engagements hardly compare with the initial war effort.
So what's your brilliant idea at this time Todd, cut and run? Just go ahead and urinate every life lost away for nothing? :rolleyes:
Right, sure they did.
I seem to remember a word being bandied around.. what was that...
Oh yeah. Surge.
Spin some more, you only look like the fool you are.
N4VGB
05-01-2008, 04:57 PM
Oh yeah. Surge.
Spin some more, you only look like the fool you are.
Hey now, I never lost my job to an illegal Mexican immigrant! Who da fool? :p
Hey now, I never lost my job to an illegal Mexican immigrant! Who da fool? :p
Not me, losing ones job to an illegal because your boss is a cheap bastard like you doesn't make one a fool.
Bragging about hiring Mexicans over Americans because they are cheaper does though.
N4VGB
05-01-2008, 05:05 PM
Not me, losing ones job to an illegal because your boss is a cheap bastard like you doesn't make one a fool.
Bragging about hiring Mexicans over Americans because they are cheaper does though.
Gotta keep my profit margin going Todd. :D
Actually I hired an American painter, he showed up with the Mexicans and is sitting on the deck smoking a cigarette! :cool:
Gotta keep my profit margin going Todd. :D
Actually I hired an American painter, he showed up with the Mexicans and is sitting on the deck smoking a cigarette! :cool:
And you both un American creeps.
I will be waiting for you to post on an illegal immigrant thread again, I can't wait to see how indignant you get about them taking jobs from Americans. :rolleyes:
N4VGB
05-01-2008, 05:18 PM
And you both un American creeps.
I will be waiting for you to post on an illegal immigrant thread again, I can't wait to see how indignant you get about them taking jobs from Americans. :rolleyes:
I'm semi-retired, they can't take my company. :D
I'm semi-retired, they can't take my company. :D
And proud of being a scumbag.
Nice.
N4VGB
05-01-2008, 05:58 PM
And proud of being a scumbag.
Nice.
I'm just glad the old grind is behind me and enjoying every minute of it. :D
W1GUH
05-02-2008, 01:00 AM
"Now in its sixth year, the war in Iraq has claimed the lives of at least 4,061 members of the U.S. military. Only the Vietnam War (August 1964 to January 1973), the war in Afghanistan (October 2001 to present) and the Revolutionary War (July 1776 to April 1783) have engaged America longer."
No comment needed.
N4VGB
05-02-2008, 01:06 AM
I guess you forgot about Korea still existing as a state of war and still having troops there??? :eek:
n2ize
05-02-2008, 03:20 AM
"Now in its sixth year, the war in Iraq has claimed the lives of at least 4,061 members of the U.S. military. Only the Vietnam War (August 1964 to January 1973), the war in Afghanistan (October 2001 to present) and the Revolutionary War (July 1776 to April 1783) have engaged America longer."
No comment needed.
Bush may even bring the US into Iran before he's through. And as far as Iraq goes, it will continue regardless of whoever gets in.
KB9YCO
05-02-2008, 03:27 AM
I guess you forgot about Korea still existing as a state of war and still having troops there??? :eek:
Do you hear a lot about troops and civilians being killed in Korea? No offense but it's not exactly an apt comparison. Turning Iraq into a hotbed for terrorism and the war seemingly extending into eternity doesn't exactly compare to having bases in countries from what are now old wars. For that matter we still have troops in Germany and Japan, that was 50+ years ago!
k4kyv
05-02-2008, 08:20 AM
Originally Posted by N4VGB
On May 1,2003 when the USS Abraham Lincoln returned to port from the Persian Gulf, it had indeed accomplished it's (sic) mission and those who served on it had also accomplished their mission very well also.
Heard that narrow definition before and it doesn't fly.
That tripe was just spin used when the BS caught up with them.
In the context it was originally used it was about the end of major military operations in Iraq just as GW said while standing under it.
After shifting explanations, the White House eventually said the “Mission Accomplished” phrase referred to the carrier’s crew completing its 10-month mission, not the military completing its mission in Iraq. Bush, in October 2003, disavowed any connection with the “Mission Accomplished” message. He said the White House had nothing to do with the banner; a spokesman later said the ship’s crew asked for the sign and the White House staff had it made by a private vendor.
And you know, as practically every public appearance by Bush (and previous presidents from both parties as well) is always a carefully staged event down to minute details, they wouldn't have allowed that banner to dominate the photo if it hadn't been pre-approved and planned ahead of time as a background prop. There is no way this was something the White House would have given the go-ahead at the last moment to be erected at the request of the ship's crew if it wasn't part of the plan.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24400896/>1=43001
N4VGB
05-02-2008, 07:58 PM
Do you hear a lot about troops and civilians being killed in Korea? No offense but it's not exactly an apt comparison. Turning Iraq into a hotbed for terrorism and the war seemingly extending into eternity doesn't exactly compare to having bases in countries from what are now old wars. For that matter we still have troops in Germany and Japan, that was 50+ years ago!
I believe the statement made was on how long U.S. forces had been engaged. And yes, there have been many deaths along the Korean DMZ, even some sporadic conflicts between troops there. Many infiltrators from N. Korea have indeed carried out terrorist actions in S. Korea over the years.
The Korean War never ended! It's only in a state of ceasefire! :rolleyes:
N4VGB
05-02-2008, 08:00 PM
There is no way this was something the White House would have given the go-ahead at the last moment to be erected at the request of the ship's crew if it wasn't part of the plan.
SO??? There's a point to that statement??? :confused:
SO??? There's a point to that statement??? :confused:
Give it up already. The White House admitted to being responsible for that banner last week. The administration tells you one lie after another and you guys believe every word even as those words change.
N4VGB
05-02-2008, 08:20 PM
Give it up already. The White House admitted to being responsible for that banner last week. The administration tells you one lie after another and you guys believe every word even as those words change.
OK, but I still think every U.S. serviceman that served there did indeed accomplish their mission very well and in record time also. :)
I'm able to differentiate between the initial goals being accomplished and the mess that ensued later. :rolleyes:
OK, but I still think every U.S. serviceman that served there did indeed accomplish their mission very well and in record time also. :)
I'm able to differentiate between the initial goals being accomplished and the mess that ensued later. :rolleyes:
True all, they served admirably given the mission.
w2amr
05-02-2008, 09:33 PM
You are dense at times. Major military operations did and have ended. Have you heard of 50-100k troops moving or being involved in major battles lately? Platoon level engagements hardly compare with the initial war effort.
So what's your brilliant idea at this time Todd, cut and run? Just go ahead and urinate every life lost away for nothing? :rolleyes:
Cut and run? Now that's original. Did you make that up?
N4VGB
05-02-2008, 09:39 PM
Cut and run? Now that's original. Did you make that up?
AH darn, I thought you'd be obsessed with arguing with Fred in your own little drama post in Rag Chew for a few more days. :)
w2amr
05-02-2008, 10:03 PM
AH darn, I thought you'd be obsessed with arguing with Fred in your own little drama post in Rag Chew for a few more days. :)
Nah, that's pretty much over with, for now.
I just had to tie up some loose ends with a big mouth who seemed to be on a testosterone overload or something. It's all good. :D
You are dense at times. Major military operations did and have ended. Have you heard of 50-100k troops moving or being involved in major battles lately? Platoon level engagements hardly compare with the initial war effort.
So what's your brilliant idea at this time Todd, cut and run? Just go ahead and urinate every life lost away for nothing? :rolleyes:
As of the date of President Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech, 138 servicemen had lost their lives and 542 were wounded in Iraq. Since then over 4,000 have likewise been added to the long list of patriots who have given their last full measure for their country, while nearly 30,000 have been wounded. This isn't political spin, this is reality. How does that compare with the "initial war effort"?
And what have these lost lives gained for us? Osama is still at large and most likely nowhere near Iraq. We are in a quagmire of our own making in a country that was never a threat to us while the people most responsible for the 9/11 attacks are at large thousands of miles away. However, Iraq does have one thing that Afghanistan doesn't; oil! So instead of spending my tax dollars on research and development to make the US energy independent, my tax dollars are going to Iraq at the rate of about 350,000,000 dollars a day. Put it another way, that's about $4,700 per family so far.
KB9YCO
05-02-2008, 11:17 PM
...my tax dollars are going to Iraq at the rate of about 350,000,000 dollars a day. Put it another way, that's about $4,700 per family so far.
Sad but true...
Bush details $70 billion war funding request for 2009:
President Bush sent lawmakers a $70 billion request Friday to fund U.S. operations in Iraq and Afghanistan into next spring, which would give the next president breathing room to make his or her own war policy.
Friday's request fills in the details of the $70 billion placeholder that the White House asked for when it sent its budget to Congress in February. The money is for the budget year that begins Oct. 1.
Congressional analysts say Bush's request would bring the total spending since Sept. 11, 2001, to fight terrorism and conduct the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to $875 billion. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080502/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_iraq_funding&printer=1;_ylt=A9G_Rz5UnhtIaVgAFx8Gw_IE)
There are always missions within a larger mission. My spin on it is that it was the pilot's mission to get Bush safely down on the carrier. That mission was indeed accomplished.
Great idea that Bush had in choreographing the banner with the pilot who accomplished that particular mission. :)
73
George
K3UD
Thanks. If I find out who put it there I'll pass that along.
The problem is NOT who put it there, the problem is who's leaving it there.
w2amr
05-04-2008, 12:25 AM
The problem is NOT who put it there, the problem is who's leaving it there. Testarossa di cazzo.
The problem is you need to mind your own GD business.
The problem is you need to mind your own GD business.
GD = Good Deeds ? Speaking of Good Deed I will stop right now.
Just don't reply or that will give me the urge to continue. Thanks and 73 . . . _ . _
k4kyv
05-04-2008, 08:24 AM
Originally Posted by k4kyv
There is no way this was something the White House would have given the go-ahead at the last moment to be erected at the request of the ship's crew if it wasn't part of the plan.
SO??? There's a point to that statement??? :confused:
The obvious point is that the White House spin that the "Mission Accomplished" phrase referred to the carrier's crew completing its 10-month mission, not the military completing its mission in Iraq, and that the White House had nothing to do with the banner, that the ship's crew asked for the sign and the White House staff had it made by a private vendor, is pure bull Shi'ite.
N4VGB
05-04-2008, 03:10 PM
Originally Posted by k4kyv
There is no way this was something the White House would have given the go-ahead at the last moment to be erected at the request of the ship's crew if it wasn't part of the plan.
The obvious point is that the White House spin that the "Mission Accomplished" phrase referred to the carrier's crew completing its 10-month mission, not the military completing its mission in Iraq, and that the White House had nothing to do with the banner, that the ship's crew asked for the sign and the White House staff had it made by a private vendor, is pure bull Shi'ite.
I'm really worried about a banner on a ship in 2003, NOT! :)
w2amr
05-04-2008, 03:56 PM
GD = Good Deeds ? Speaking of Good Deed I will stop right now.
Just don't reply or that will give me the urge to continue. Thanks and 73 . . . _ . _
Continue what?
N4VGB
05-04-2008, 04:11 PM
Continue what?
Your silly war with the admins & moderators of QRZ. :cool:
w2amr
05-04-2008, 04:11 PM
GD = Good Deeds ? Speaking of Good Deed I will stop right now.
Just don't reply or that will give me the urge to continue. Thanks and 73 . . . _ . _
Oh, and 73 to you as well OM. ;)
w2amr
05-04-2008, 05:04 PM
Your silly war with the admins & moderators of QRZ. :cool:
WAR? Damn, why am I always the last to know?