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n2ize
04-30-2008, 05:47 AM
Obama denounces the words of Reverend Wright in a recent press conference. Claims he only recently heard the actual words.
read the story and check out the video of the press conference. This guy is all over the place. One day it's one thing the next day it's something else. And his press delivery is pathetic. Over worded, weak and IMHO...lame. This guy is making Hillary look better by the day.
http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=925
Obama denounces the words of Reverend Wright in a recent press conference. Claims he only recently heard the actual words.
read the story and check out the video of the press conference. This guy is all over the place. One day it's one thing the next day it's something else. And his press delivery is pathetic. Over worded, weak and IMHO...lame. This guy is making Hillary look better by the day.
http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=925
No kidding... one of your better observations.
N4VGB
04-30-2008, 06:01 AM
So is anybody surprised!? Finally gotta dump Wright, he talks too much, those bitter white people with their Religion and guns aren't gonna vote for me unless I dump Wright. I'm really impressed. :rolleyes:
So is anybody surprised!? Finally gotta dump Wright, he talks too much, those bitter white people with their Religion and guns aren't gonna vote for me unless I dump Wright. I'm really impressed. :rolleyes:
He's finished. People can put two and two together. They've done so, and more will continue to hear and do this till his election vetting process ends.
N4VGB
04-30-2008, 06:11 AM
He's finished. People can put two and two together. They've done so, and more will continue to hear and do this till his election vetting process ends.
Oh no he's not! I think he'll probably still be the Democratic candidate. It's just too PC to vote for a black man, so many whites will just have to do it, not quite so PC for a white woman. :rolleyes:
GOD is Denver ever going to be fun to watch play out on the boob toob! :D
Change your mind Barry??
http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/04/obamas_wright_turn.html
K8YZK
04-30-2008, 01:29 PM
What he says in public and what he says behind close doors is two different things. How can he say that in 20 years of listening to Wright that he never heard anything like this. Remember he prayed with Wright in the basement of the church before annoucing his run for President. Looks like is run is slowing down to a walk. More is coming out every day, and as the election gets closer more and more will be coming out.
n2ize
04-30-2008, 02:03 PM
What he says in public and what he says behind close doors is two different things. How can he say that in 20 years of listening to Wright that he never heard anything like this. Remember he prayed with Wright in the basement of the church before annoucing his run for President. Looks like is run is slowing down to a walk. More is coming out every day, and as the election gets closer more and more will be coming out.
He comes across sounding very weak IMHO. Hillary sounds much more confident and certain than he does. Personally I doubt he can run a good solid campaign. If this is any example of how he handles these sorts of things what is he going to do when the republicans are clobbering him with something new every other day ? Frankly I don;t think he can run a strong campaign against McCain. At this point I think Hillary is a stronger potential for victory than Obama.
Stupid LIB media tricks.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/30/stupid-media-spin-on-obama-i-the-new-york-times-editorial-board/?print=1
KD6NIG
04-30-2008, 03:31 PM
One thing I'm discovering after seeing that speech is that Obama says "uh" about as much as Bush does.
And man, do I find that really annoying for some reason.
kg4kww
04-30-2008, 07:34 PM
of course Obama is going to blast Wright in public, he wants your vote.
KU0DM
04-30-2008, 10:55 PM
People go to Church to hear the word of God, not necessarily the preacher. The preacher just presents the word of God.
I think Obama feels the same.
N4VGB
04-30-2008, 11:06 PM
People go to Church to hear the word of God, not necessarily the preacher. The preacher just presents the word of God.
I think Obama feels the same.
So, Obama joined the church in '92 and says he's known Wright for almost 20 years. Now he acts like it's the first time he's ever heard this type message from Wright!? Gimme a break! :rolleyes:
KU0DM
04-30-2008, 11:09 PM
I believe him.
It's not everyday the Reverend goes around talking about everything and anything politics.
Anyway, just because he attends the Church, doesn't mean he's obligated to believe and hold responsibility for everything the man says.
N4VGB
04-30-2008, 11:15 PM
I believe him.
It's not everyday the Reverend goes around talking about everything and anything politics.
Anyway, just because he attends the Church, doesn't mean he's obligated to believe and hold responsibility for everything the man says.
AH, so Paul was wrong on all members of the same Christian Church being of the same mind? :confused:
KU0DM
04-30-2008, 11:26 PM
He was.
I know for a fact I disagree with our Priests non-religious views, even some of his religious views, as well as some of the other parishioners.
Same goes for our friends, some other friends, the old couple that sat behind us last week, my neighbor, and my teachers.
Do you think if you go to a Church, you are obligated to believe everything they tell you too? Everything the Priest tells you to?
If so, then you are in Church because someone told you to, not because you really believe.
N4VGB
04-30-2008, 11:42 PM
He was.
I would never atttend a Christian Church where anything but the Bible was taught from the pulpit.
Politics and social issues that fall outside Faith & Practice are not subject matter for true Christian Churches.
KP3FT
04-30-2008, 11:49 PM
AH, so Paul was wrong on all members of the same Christian Church being of the same mind? :confused:
That's taking what Paul said out of context. In every verse where it is mentioned, it is always in the context of having "one mind" regarding Godly principles, not of political or cultural issues (unless they too are against Godly principles). This is proved by other verses, written by Paul, which tell Christians to not judge others if they have different beliefs regarding particular cultural differences. It was a real concern at this time, because there were many Jewish Christians and Gentile (non-Jewish) Christians who had stark cultural differences.
With that in mind, it is Pastor Wright who is not in "one mind and one accord" with God's commandment of love towards one another. I don't support Obama, but it's entirely possible that he was unaware of the pastor's viewpoints. It depends on how much Mr. Wright preached and talked about it.
KU0DM
04-30-2008, 11:56 PM
I would never atttend a Christian Church where anything but the Bible was taught from the pulpit.
Politics and social issues that fall outside Faith & Practice are not subject matter for true Christian Churches.
Reverend Wright did not make all of these comments from the pulpit.
Since you also say they are not subject matter, that means Wright's political views wasn't a deciding in factor when Obama joined the Church.
W4HAY
05-01-2008, 12:00 AM
OTOH,
Election '08: Stuck in a hole, Jeremiah Wright kept digging Monday at the National Press Club. His remarks were more than objectionable and divisive. They were lies. Why is Barack Obama shocked, shocked?
Wright Lies (http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=294361364736749)
N4VGB
05-01-2008, 12:43 AM
That's taking what Paul said out of context. In every verse where it is mentioned, it is always in the context of having "one mind" regarding Godly principles, not of political or cultural issues (unless they too are against Godly principles). This is proved by other verses, written by Paul, which tell Christians to not judge others if they have different beliefs regarding particular cultural differences. It was a real concern at this time, because there were many Jewish Christians and Gentile (non-Jewish) Christians who had stark cultural differences.
With that in mind, it is Pastor Wright who is not in "one mind and one accord" with God's commandment of love towards one another. I don't support Obama, but it's entirely possible that he was unaware of the pastor's viewpoints. It depends on how much Mr. Wright preached and talked about it.
You must have missed my other post, differentiating the two?
N4VGB
05-01-2008, 12:47 AM
He was.
I know for a fact I disagree with our Priests non-religious views, even some of his religious views, as well as some of the other parishioners.
Same goes for our friends, some other friends, the old couple that sat behind us last week, my neighbor, and my teachers.
Do you think if you go to a Church, you are obligated to believe everything they tell you too? Everything the Priest tells you to?
If so, then you are in Church because someone told you to, not because you really believe.
Interesting religious philosophy to attend a Church founded by Paul and proclaim to even disagree with the religious practice taught there. Very confusing. :confused:
KU0DM
05-01-2008, 01:33 AM
I disagree with bits and pieces here and there. Never said the whole thing
and my exact words were
even some of his religious views
Interesting religious philosophy to attend a Church founded by Paul
Well guess what, I'm not St. Paul, he's dead and I'm not.
Goodnight.
W0LPQ
05-01-2008, 01:47 AM
comments deleted ... not "on topic" per the moderator of another forum. Strange, topics can stray, ask Glen and others.
I am done.
KU0DM
05-01-2008, 02:04 AM
Stay on topic please.
If you wish to beat another dead horse even more, feel free to start a different thread.
KP3FT
05-01-2008, 02:55 AM
I disagree with bits and pieces here and there. Never said the whole thing
Well guess what, I'm not St. Paul, he's dead and I'm not.
Goodnight.
Please, be very careful with that. There's a thin line between doctrine given to us by God in His Holy scriptures, and cultural differences of 2000 years ago. Paul did point out on occasion that what he was saying was only his own opinion, and it's fine to disagree with those opinions. Just remember that Paul's letters are scripture from God, and if Paul doesn't specifically state that he's speaking only from his point of view, then it's likely it's God's point of view. When we start picking and choosing what we like best and rejecting what we don't like in the Bible, it leads to all kinds of wrong doctrines. I'm not saying you are rejecting things you shouldn't be, because I don't have any idea what you specifically disagree with, but only that you be aware that the entire Bible is from God and that we need to view our own beliefs and opinions against His.
I agree completely with you that priests, pastors, etc. aren't always correct. I always compare what they say to the Bible. If they are saying something contradictory to it, then they are simply wrong.
N4VGB
05-01-2008, 03:04 AM
Stay on topic please.
If you wish to beat another dead horse even more, feel free to start a different thread.
So you've now assumed the roll of moderator!? :rolleyes:
W0LPQ
05-01-2008, 03:15 AM
I am done with teeniebopper moderators.
W4HAY
05-01-2008, 11:30 AM
Click here! (http://www.jewishworldreview.com/strips/mallard/2000/MFT200805001.jpg)
*****
Way back when, before the angry and antic prophet Jeremiah rose to smite him, Barack Obama appeared before us as an open presidential vessel, into which many poured their political dreams...
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Upscale white voters signed on and were belittled as liberals exorcising white guilt. Maybe, but for many Obama was also the un-Bush and un-Hillary...
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Brand-name Democrats, such as various members of the Kennedy aristocracy, went over, calculating it might be easier to push the party forward with Obama's lightness of being than the Clintons' boxcars of baggage...
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The list is long this week of supporters who let Barack Obama hang out to dry. More than a few were last seen running out on Hillary Clinton. Perhaps the solution here is for the two soloists to meet, flip a coin, and spend the next six months as a pair running against John McCain. It looks like they're the only friends they've got.
Where Were Obama's Friends? (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120959982358857837.html?mod=todays_columnists)
W4HAY
05-01-2008, 12:17 PM
Obama: From The Left (http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=294446089962731)
Having had the national media at his feet for more than a year, Barack Obama now finds them at his throat...
...Obama has now lost the popular vote in Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania. He has been hurt by the irresponsible statements of his former pastor, Jeremiah Wright. Obama also hurt his cause by accusing small-town Americans of clinging to guns and religion...
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Obama: From The Right (http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=294445974979663)
Barack Obama looked pale and wan at what he called his "big press conference" about the Rev. Jeremiah Wright on Tuesday afternoon. Numb. Chastened. Defeated...
...At first, Obama downplayed Wright's public appearances. But Obama now tells us he had to wait 24 hours to convene a press conference to denounce Wright's National Press Club speech because he "hadn't seen it." After all this time on the campaign trail, we're back to the Obama-as-clueless-naif narrative again...
...Yet only now has Obama concluded that Wright's sermons are "a bunch of rants that aren't grounded in truth." Welcome to the Jive Talk Express...
...Now, realizing how gravely his self-serving association with Wright has wounded his campaign, Obama himself has attempted to do both those things — and expects the American public to believe him when he weakly and belatedly asserts that "when I say I find (Wright's) statements appalling, I mean it."
As those of us with non-European brains might put it: You be trippin', Barry.
What took him so long??
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=63000
Obama denounces the words of Reverend Wright in a recent press conference. Claims he only recently heard the actual words.
read the story and check out the video of the press conference. This guy is all over the place. One day it's one thing the next day it's something else. And his press delivery is pathetic. Over worded, weak and IMHO...lame. This guy is making Hillary look better by the day.
http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=925
It seems that Obama is very good at delivering his tightly constructed campaign speeches but when he is without a script he seems to fall apart, especially when he is being questioned at a press conference.
I agree that he did look a bit weak, at least in the portions of the press conference I was able to see.
We still do not have much information about his accomplishments as a Senator over the time he has been there and his campaign speeches reveal
very little about how he would implement some of the measures of change he has talked about. Obama is charismatic, and a wonderful orator when he stays with the script. If he gets elected President, there will be no script and he will have to be fast on his feet. So far we have not seen that side of him.
What does it really say about Obama when he dumps his pastor of almost 20 years for a small measure of political gain?
The word "change" is a powerful motivator, especially when you are pandering to an electorate who may be hungering for something new, but we do not know what the changes will be and how those changes will be implemented. As we all know, substantial change in Washington is almost a virtual impossibility.
Think about it....What do we really know about Barrak Obama? Hillary has been vetted and her positions are fairly clear. McCain has also been vetted. They are known quantities in the world of ideas. You may not like either of them, but both have substantial experience in the halls of government.
Who would you rather have answering the phone at 3AM? :)
73
George
K3UD
KU0DM
05-01-2008, 10:19 PM
0DM pardon me. Next time I post, I shall send you a copy personally for it to be approved.
Subject was Obama...
Subject was the Obama/Wright issue.
n2ize
05-01-2008, 10:26 PM
It seems that Obama is very good at delivering his tightly constructed campaign speeches but when he is without a script he seems to fall apart, especially when he is being questioned at a press conference.
I agree that he did look a bit weak, at least in the portions of the press conference I was able to see.
We still do not have much information about his accomplishments as a Senator over the time he has been there and his campaign speeches reveal
very little about how he would implement some of the measures of change he has talked about. Obama is charismatic, and a wonderful orator when he stays with the script. If he gets elected President, there will be no script and he will have to be fast on his feet. So far we have not seen that side of him.
What does it really say about Obama when he dumps his pastor of almost 20 years for a small measure of political gain?
The word "change" is a powerful motivator, especially when you are pandering to an electorate who may be hungering for something new, but we do not know what the changes will be and how those changes will be implemented. As we all know, substantial change in Washington is almost a virtual impossibility.
Think about it....What do we really know about Barrak Obama? Hillary has been vetted and her positions are fairly clear. McCain has also been vetted. They are known quantities in the world of ideas. You may not like either of them, but both have substantial experience in the halls of government.
Who would you rather have answering the phone at 3AM? :)
73
George
K3UD
Good points and reflective of my feelings on the topic. I find it odd that he just heard Wrights remarks and formulated this opinion. Seesm like the more he speaks the less we know about him.
W4DXL
05-01-2008, 10:45 PM
Hilary is not popular here in North Carolina at all. Then again maybe it doesn't make much of a difference since this is a very conservative state anyway. I doubt the black population will vote for her if she gets the nomination.
My conservative friends aren't happy with McCain either. He gets along too well with Democrats imagine that! People always complain about the lack of progress due to partisan politics.
After awhile the political process makes me really sad.