Parting Gift from the War Monger?

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Pentagon ordered military commanders to develop new options for attacking Iran (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/29/eveningnews/main4056941.shtml)
Targets would include everything from the plants where weapons are made to the headquarters of the organization known as the Quds Force which directs operations in Iraq.

Just peachy. Ride 'em cowboy. Maybe he can finish destroying this country yet. He still has 265 days to accomplish his mission. :mad:

[wa8rti]

For someone who avoided combat duty, he sure seems to love sending other people's children into harm's way. To bad the twins don't join up!

[W1GUH]

So is that what he was talking about today? again I had an unpleasant breakfast because of the news. I had to sit way back in the corner not to be able to see the screen, and if I chewed loud enough I could almost block out his incoherent babbling.

I'd rather watch somebody throw up (heck, I'd rather throw up) than watch that FM talk. Everytime I do I just have to wonder, WHAT WERE THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR HIM THINKING?

AAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!

Well, your pick of Mr. McCain, Ms. Clinton, or Mr. Obama will be universes better that that ignorant FM.

[kd7kgx]

I'm all in favor of prepping plans to use on Iran, the center of the Axis of Evil.

Does the OP read the news? Maybe so. Does the OP really believe that the Syrian 'plant' the Israelis bombed last fall was NOT a nuclear facility? That this was yet another put-up job by the evil Bu####ler to lead us into war?

What is depressing to me, as an American, is how the Democrats managed to turn a lie ("Bush lied about Iraq!") into the Big Lie... a lie repeated so often that many believe it is true.

You may believe that going into Iraq was a good idea, or you may that it wasn't, but in no way did the Bush Administration lie about what they were doing and why they wanted to do it... and the Congress (including a majority of Dems) went along with it.

As to what I was thinking when I voted for Bush twice? I was thinking that, given the choice of Bush over Gore or Kerry, the choice was both easy and obvious. Do I believe Bush has done a great job? No... I think that in particular he has ignored his responsibility to fully explain and justify his actions (which I think are explainable and justifiable), which is a failure of leadership. However, I think he's made the right call on most of the big things, Iraq included.

[KB9YCO]

The path to the Iraq invasion was predicated on bad information and spin, something that no one can deny as it's been clearly covered and documented. The administration had an agenda and they went with it, so to a degree I would say that in part they did lie, but they added some other reasoning to it that seemed justifiable at the time in order to apply that agenda. That being said I think we are far beyond being able to just leave Iraq, most people understand that by now, but most of us also wonder what will be the ultimate resolution or if it's even possible anymore in a country that may not want our 'solution'.

As far as this Iran story goes it sounds like some spin too. Hard to say, but aren't there are always 'plans being made' by the government to deal with a perceived threat? Seems to me that this is no different. But, that's not to say that this administration doesn't still have a number of agendas at play that more than likely effect their objectivity (if they have any), and it's rather difficult to trust much of what they say these days. Just my opinion. So, I don't know if this is warmongering or just more of the same, it's so hard to tell these days. It's definitely not a good sign.

[N4VGB]

Now don't somersault too much here folks, but the Pentagon is constantly updating it's scenarios to invade all nations on the earth. It really is a good idea to keep updating all contingencies. :):):)

[KB9YCO]

Updating contingencies is one thing, this may be another. Uh oh:

Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Tuesday that sending a second U.S. aircraft carrier to the Persian Gulf could serve as a "reminder" to Iran, but he said it's not an escalation of force.

Speaking to reporters after meeting with Mexican leaders, Gates said heightening U.S. criticism of Iran and its support for terror groups is not a signal that the administration is laying the groundwork for a strike against Tehran.

Still, he said Iran continues to back the Taliban in Afghanistan... (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080430/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/gates_iran&printer=1;_ylt=AqjzmQU2SYRtR_jZzu.GKNaWwvIE)

[N4VGB]

Updating contingencies is one thing, this may be another.


Iran continually threatens to close the Persian Gulf and has done so for years now. Most Americans don't seem to realize that to close the Persian Gulf would probably mean $10-15 per gallon gasoline quickly as the world markets skyrocketed on the available supply.

The Persian Gulf is where any problems with Iran are most likely to start. Too many of those small vessels that most believe are under Iranian Navy control are actually under control of Hamas. The U.N. control of the International Waters of the Straights of Hormuz is challenged by Iran all the time. You can't really control the narrow Straights of Hormuz from the sea alone, it would take seizing some Iranian land mass to maintain the Persian Gulf in an open status.

It is smart to be prepared for any contingencies there.

[KV1M]

Right, so instead we'll close the gulf for em.
The US won;t be siezing any Iranian land mass, you are aware of how big and well armed they are aren't you?
You do know that an arms embargo won't soften them up since they make their own guns, tanks, planes, shells. bullets and missiles, right?
You also are aware that they are not gong to just lay down and fade inot the background like Iraq did, don't you?

Yup, let's get those prices up for a real quick profit, it'll only be American kids dying for it anyway!
Good thinking Jethro!

[N4VGB]

Yup, let's get those prices up for a real quick profit, it'll only be American kids dying for it anyway!
Good thinking Jethro!


Your signature says it all Todd. You are the owner and resident manager of the Alpha Hotel! :cool:

[KV1M]

Your signature says it all Todd. You are the owner and resident manager of the Alpha Hotel! :cool:

Yeah, well, someone has to be right. Since it isn't any of you guys...

[N4VGB]

Yeah, well, someone has to be right. Since it isn't any of you guys...

Still don't get it do you? There is no right or wrong here, just BS flow. :)

[KV1M]

Still don't get it do you? There is no right or wrong here, just BS flow. :)

There is that, but there is fact and then there is spin. I deal in fact.

[N4VGB]

There is that, but there is fact and then there is spin. I deal in fact.

I thought you dealt with bits & bytes? :D

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Iran continually threatens to close the Persian Gulf and has done so for years now. Most Americans don't seem to realize that to close the Persian Gulf would probably mean $10-15 per gallon gasoline quickly as the world markets skyrocketed on the available supply.

The Persian Gulf is where any problems with Iran are most likely to start. Too many of those small vessels that most believe are under Iranian Navy control are actually under control of Hamas. The U.N. control of the International Waters of the Straights of Hormuz is challenged by Iran all the time. You can't really control the narrow Straights of Hormuz from the sea alone, it would take seizing some Iranian land mass to maintain the Persian Gulf in an open status.

It is smart to be prepared for any contingencies there.

As usual, you state what you believe as fact. Provide proof that Hamas owns and operates some of the small boats harassing our ships. You can't, and you won't. As always. More noise from your personal version of the right wing noise machine.

I recall the words "attack isn't imminent" being uttered as Bush sought support from Congress for the authority to invade Iraq.

I firmly believe Bush intends to attack Iran before he leaves office. We'll know who is right within 264 days. In this case, I pray that I'm wrong.

[K3XR]

Pentagon ordered military commanders to develop new options for attacking Iran (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/29/eveningnews/main4056941.shtml)


Just peachy. Ride 'em cowboy. Maybe he can finish destroying this country yet. He still has 265 days to accomplish his mission. :mad:

And then you have Barry's friends....

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/04/30/2008-04-30_barack_obama_pal_is_an_enemy_too.html?print=1&page=all

[K8YZK]

For someone who avoided combat duty, he sure seems to love sending other people's children into harm's way. To bad the twins don't join up!

The twins were tied up writing a kids books, and they have said they serve other ways then in the military. Bring back the draft and make them the first one's drafted.

At least we don't have to put up with another stupid White House wedding.

[ad4mg]

And then you have Barry's friends....

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/04/30/2008-04-30_barack_obama_pal_is_an_enemy_too.html?print=1&page=all

Always off the mark, Danny. You're hero, Barry, hasn't quite yet made it to the white house, and any damage we will incur due to him is yet to be known.

What is known is the damage done this country by the moron you voted for twice.

I wonder what legacy you leave for your grandchildren's children? Will you tell them that you voted for the worst president in history twice, and that you remained a loyal boosh bootlicker during his entire term?

Nice diversion of the topic, though. You must be observing and learning from 3-D.

If you're scared to debate the topic, just say so.

[kg6amw]

Right, so instead we'll close the gulf for em.
The US won;t be siezing any Iranian land mass, you are aware of how big and well armed they are aren't you?
You do know that an arms embargo won't soften them up since they make their own guns, tanks, planes, shells. bullets and missiles, right?
You also are aware that they are not gong to just lay down and fade inot the background like Iraq did, don't you?

Yup, let's get those prices up for a real quick profit, it'll only be American kids dying for it anyway!
Good thinking Jethro!

Perhaps dear boy a little less pant crapping and more action will help you and your new found European friends. No, no that won't do, you will talk it to death, do nothing, bad mouth America and blame Israel which is the usual course for Europeans.

[n2ize]

Perhaps dear boy a little less pant crapping and more action will help you and your new found European friends. No, no that won't do, you will talk it to death, do nothing, bad mouth America and blame Israel which is the usual course for Europeans.

What action would you prefer they do ? Get down on their knees and march into war upon the commands of Bush. maybe they like 70% of Americans have come to the realization that the Bush policies aren't making the world any safer.

[KD6NIG]

Thankfully our aircraft carriers operate on nuke power. Too bad our planes don't, though.

Kinda ironic that we burn all this fuel to fight and patrol, and they make all the money on it, eh?

I guess as long as Mr Bush and his cronies get their cut, all is good.

[n7wr]

The longer we wait to take out Iran's nuclear capability and remove yet another crazy, demonic "president" from power in the middle east the higher will be the price the USA and the world pays when eventually it has to be done anyhow.

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The longer we wait to take out Iran's nuclear capability and remove yet another crazy, demonic "president" from power in the middle east the higher will be the price the USA and the world pays when eventually it has to be done anyhow.

Bombs are the neoconservative solution to all problems, eh? Always bombs first.

Blood, guts, and flag draped coffins are your thing, correct?

[n7wr]

No, 4 MG the things you describe are not "my thing". But neither is having some lunatic like the current leader of Iran have the capability of nuclear weapons. He can cause a whole lot more coffins in a whole lot more places than we will see with a surgical airstrike.

[W1GUH]

but in no way did the Bush Administration lie about what they were doing and why they wanted to do it

I'm inclined to believe that, and that's even worse than a lie. The FM's slap-dash, "do it the night before after partying all term" effort to present his case to the UN was embarassingly incompetent and very stupid. He had no case, and it was painfully obvious to anyone who followed the presentation. Almost more embarassing were all the US Citizens who went along with him when he started bashing our allies for disagreeing with him. That was one of the strong indications that this nation has been rushing down the tubes for years.

If it was a lie it would have at least been a competent job of doing it with plausible deniability.

The real problem is that the FM is the most incompetent President the US has ever had, period.

[N4VGB]

No, 4 MG the things you describe are not "my thing". But neither is having some lunatic like the current leader of Iran have the capability of nuclear weapons. He can cause a whole lot more coffins in a whole lot more places than we will see with a surgical airstrike.

I hope you're not referring to Ahmadinejad? Here is the leader of Iran http://english.khamenei.ir/ and even their socalled Parliament doesn't do a thing unless a small group of clerics there approve it first. The whole of Iran is controlled by about 15 Islamic clerics. At the local level Hamas is far more powerful than the government in many areas. Screwy place.

[KV1M]

Perhaps dear boy a little less pant crapping and more action will help you and your new found European friends. No, no that won't do, you will talk it to death, do nothing, bad mouth America and blame Israel which is the usual course for Europeans.

You are the ones crapping your pants, hiding under the bed and overreacting to non threats that your dictator tells you are serious.

War on terror anyone? What a joke.

Iran isn't a threat, you are.

[KV1M]

The longer we wait to take out Iran's nuclear capability and remove yet another crazy, demonic "president" from power in the middle east the higher will be the price the USA and the world pays when eventually it has to be done anyhow.

That's funny, only the US is saying they are going to build nukes.
Over here everyones wondering why you are ignoring the IAEA's assessment.
They were right about Iraq you know.
And you guys have been so wrong on so much for so long now it's hard to believe you even take yourselves serious anymore.

[N4VGB]

I would take the Iranian Revolutionary Council having nuclear weapons very seriously. It's not like Iran has a real government with any real control. :eek:

[KV1M]

I would take the Iranian Revolutionary Council having nuclear weapons very seriously. It's not like Iran has a real government with any real control. :eek:

Here, I'll say it clearer for you:

Iran does not have a nuke weapons program.
The IAEA has inspected and said so.
European intelligence services are saying the same thing.
Only GW and the Invasion Club for Inadequate Men say otherwise.
Oh, and Israel. But they are even less credible on this than Washington is.

Iran is not helping al Qaida in Iraq.
Iran is Shiite, al Qaida is Sunni.
Shiites and Sunnis are warring on each other in Iraq.
The majority of IED's are placed by Sunnis.
Iran is not supplying them.

You are being bamboozled again.
Read that last sentence again and take it to heart.

[N4VGB]

Iran is not helping al Qaida in Iraq.
Iran is Shiite, al Qaida is Sunni.
Shiites and Sunnis are warring on each other in Iraq.
The majority of IED's are placed by Sunnis.
Iran is not supplying them.

You are being bamboozled again.
Read that last sentence again and take it to heart.


I am well aware that Iran doesn't supply al Qaeda, they have problems with them in their own country. But they do indeed supply Sadr and his Mahdi Army in Iraq. Sadr is probably a bigger threat to the Iraqi government than al Qaeda.

The really strange thing going on in Iraq today is that the different militias and brigades there can't really figure out who is responsible for all the bombings going on now. The most current crop of bombings of markets, large funerals, etc. accomplish nothing except killing innocent civilians. All the different groups deny responsibility? Both al Qaeda and the Mahdi Army are responsible for most of the hits on U.S. forces there, they're both anxious for the U.S. to withdraw so they can get at each other and attempt to overthrow the elected government.

All the while the great majority of Iraqis, who overwhelmingly support the government, just sit back and are forced to suffer through the situation. :confused: