Fatal special event station QSL card leads to War Crimes charges!

[GM4BRB]

Lawyers, Human rights groups and we're barely falling short of Senate Legislators here are beginning to admit that war Crimes charges not dissimilar to those brought against members of the Nazi 3rd Reich at Nuremberg could be considered in relation to Rumsfelt ( & the rest of the Neocon & onetime PNAC league of Global thugs) including I hope to God, Cheney & before it's too late.

BBC Newsnight this evening at 22:00z dedicated most of its 30 minute slot to dissecting evidence surrounding the inevitable conclusions to be reached in regard of the long history of torture and flagrant disregard of the Geneva conventions at Gitmo, otherwise known to us as KG4-land.

You know for sure something is brewing when the Mainstream media like the normally duplicit BBC start airing reports that clearly show evidence in regard to torture and other activities at and directly contiguous to such activities at GITMO which together most definitely do draw the cloud of War Crimes trials over the all so pristine exterior paintjob at the Whitehouse. In addition, let’s have you hoping that we pull this off before these Criminals get enough momentum to pull off another Gulf of Tonkin like event, but this time with Iran, in order to transfer their collective guilt up to this point.

War Crimes trials aren't mere whimsy from me. No this is what the international legal community is saying could happen, whilst I've been predicting it since 2003.

http://www.juntawatch.org/images/KG4GIT.jpg

Rigged Gitmo Trials Prove 9/11 Official Story Wrong (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2008/022208_rigged_trials.htm)

[N4VGB]

What a piece of pure horse manure that you've posted. Osama bin Laden himself has claimed responsibilty for the World Trade Center attack in video released by al Qaeda!? :confused:

Khalid Sheik Mohammed is as guilty as sin and will go down for his terrorist activities. You are aware of who runs that global satellite phone network aren't you? Yeah that's us and your proposed innocent boy talked himself into a death sentence via use of a satellite phone and info on his laptop when captured. :eek:

The majority of detainees at Gitmo were never claimed to be directly guilty of anything except possessing info that was needed. Good try but it is war and all bets are off on the 'civil rights' issue on this go around. :p

[GM4BRB]

What a piece of pure horse manure that you've posted. Osama bin Laden himself has claimed responsibilty for the World Trade Center attack in video released by al Qaeda!? :confused:

Khalid Sheik Mohammed is as guilty as sin and will go down for his terrorist activities. You are aware of who runs that global satellite phone network aren't you? Yeah that's us and your proposed innocent boy talked himself into a death sentence via use of a satellite phone and info on his laptop when captured. :eek:

The majority of detainees at Gitmo were never claimed to be directly guilty of anything except possessing info that was needed. Good try but it is war and all bets are off on the 'civil rights' issue on this go around. :p



Here we go folks, watch this. I'm going to tear down a fallacy right before your eyes, like that - click. I don't EVER publicise fallacious or contrived information. I cannot afford that. Let's look very briefly at something. Have you ever checked the Bin Laden images. Stock photos, with slight manipulation that only dumb complicit media accepted as genuine, laughable.

Before Her death through assassination in late December, Benazir Bhutto said that Bin Liner was already dead. If you sincerely believe you can post a reply without looking into this, you have no idea of what trouble as an American you are in. Neo-con fantasies about having people like me shot or thrown into FEMA camp are a waste of their psychic energy. They need to be using what little time they have left, now, to pack their bags & a bedroll for the war crimes tribunals. I've been looking into this, intensely since Dec 2006 when I became personally involved with the accounts & testimony to the NIST & 9/11 Omission by one of the 9/11-widows or 'Jersey Girls'. I'm no spring chicken to this business. FYI, when at war you are never exempt from the Geneva Conventions. The Japs did that. Do you? Either way, it's illegal and any dispute on the issue is time-wasting.

Watch this YOUTUBE where Benazir Bhutto asserts that Bin-Laden was dead, recently killed.

http://jazz-from-hell.blogspot.com/2007/12/bhutto-believed-bin-laden-was-dead.html

Start at 5 minutes in, if you can't wait to hear her say Bin Laden was dead already.

[W3MIV]

Wow, wotta deal, huh? Twice the manure of a single post. Peristalsis in action, one supposes. The first wasn't worth the look; the remainder confirms that observation.

[GM4BRB]

Wow, wotta deal, huh? Twice the manure of a single post. Peristalsis in action, one supposes. The first wasn't worth the look; the remainder confirms that observation.

I don't venture opinion, I venture only thoroughly investigated, empiric fact. Times running out folks, start admitting it, because simply hoping that the capriciousness of the half blind bigot will lead you out of the long dark night is a long shot indeed.

You will pull out of the current fashionable phase of killing, debauchery, depravity, and immorality around the world when the Military Industrialists who piggy back on International Adventurism have had their fill and when the latest Graffiti like achievements of 'The Pentagon's New Map' have been drawn on the ground, in the Middle East. See P.M Barnett's website. Eisenhower warned you in his farewell speech of 1961 of where the Military Industrial Complex would lead you. If you're laughing today, you will be crying tomorrow.

[N4VGB]

KV1M gathering helpers? :p:p:p

[KB9YCO]

I am all for holding the Bush administration responsible for some of their mistakes, as well as some of their serious breaches of the public trust in terms of 'serving and protecting the constitution' and maintaining the standards that America was built on, but I have no idea what the hell this post is about. (I also strongly disagree that "all bets are off" with civil rights, civil rights are probably even more important during times of war and crisis than any other time.) I'll even go so far as to say that the "military-industrial complex' is getting out of control, but I still have no idea what the hell this post is supposed to be, and I'm no fan of Bush or the extremist right wing (or any extremist for that matter.)

Onto what this thread is supposed to be. Let's start with the title:

"Fatal special event station QSL card leads to War Crimes charges!"

QSL cards and war crimes charges? What does that mean? Where is there any mention anywhere in this story about QSL cards or special event stations in relation to war crimes? Nowhere in the story is that mentioned, and again I ask just what that means anyway. It just makes no sense. Besides, using Alex Jones as a reliable source is another mistake, I've listened to his show and while he may occasionally hit on something resembling reality it is for the most part the highest level of conspiracy theory thinking of the most paranoid (and largely unproven) variety. That's not to say they don't ever make a valid point, or that it isn't entertaining, but to cite it as a reliable source of information is a first clue as to the validity of the story.

Moving on, I have yet to see any solid proof of who was behind 9-11 beyond the hijackers themselves and the people that backed them, mainly Islamic fundamentalists like Al Qaeda, etc. That doesn't mean that there may not be more to the story, I'm sure there is, but unless you can offer any sort of proof that this was an engineered 'event' by the "neocons" (a term I'm sick of hearing as these people are not 'conservative' in the meaning of the word, extremist is extremist regardless of what direction) then this is all just blowing smoke. Do I think that our government is completely blameless when it comes to being involved in overseas activities that have ruffled a number of feathers over the years? Of course not, our government certainly bears a measure of responsibility for some of the situation, diplomatic and strategic errors, underestimations, outright arrogance in terms of trying to control every aspect of the world, but this is a rather large claim to make without any realistic proof beyond conspiracy theories and suspicions. Offer up some solid proof and people would be more than glad to listen. If that solid proof existed I am positive it would have been used long ago, plenty of people willing to jump all over the Bush administration.

So, please, provide us with some solid information beyond Prison Planet and blogs with videos making claims (again unproven) about Bin Laden being dead and so on. This article didn't really tell us anything beyond the fact that they think that there isn't enough evidence against the people charged, and that they think there is a conspiracy, that they wonder why Bin Laden isn't mentioned in FBI posters as being involved with 9-11. So, what the story? Seems like a lot of vague assertions without any substance, but that's par for the course with Jones and friends. Surely, most objective and realistic people realize that much of what's happened with Guantanamo, torture, and detaining people without charge or evidence is largely a mistake, but none of what's been said here proves any of the statements that there is a conspiracy involved. Some of the lawyers were taken off the case, not unusual for this administration when they don't like what they want to hear, but again that's not proof of the overall claim. Come back when you have some actual evidence and I know there would be plenty of people interested in hearing it.

This is fatal special event station (cards available upon request, featuring a skull and crossbones!) KB9YCO signing off from middle America... oy.

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My mind is working so far ahead of yours...

The problem is the direction it's headed.

Who do you like setting up, who do you like to persecute

Thank you for making my point...

there's nothing wrong with me.

Except for incoherent disjointed expression of paranoid delusions.

you definitely have no idea whatsoever of anything you have hypothesised about.

Tell me what I do, who I work for and what I did before that. Then explain how you came to believe you know more than I do, given the resources available to me. ( This should be amusing )

[kf6rdn]

I'll have what HE'S smoking!

Make it a double.
:p

[w2amr]

bush and cheney on trial for war crimes? Just get me a 6 pack and a bag of pop corn and I'm glued to my TV chair. :)

[KV1M]

What a piece of pure horse manure that you've posted. Osama bin Laden himself has claimed responsibilty for the World Trade Center attack in video released by al Qaeda!? :confused:

Khalid Sheik Mohammed is as guilty as sin and will go down for his terrorist activities. You are aware of who runs that global satellite phone network aren't you? Yeah that's us and your proposed innocent boy talked himself into a death sentence via use of a satellite phone and info on his laptop when captured. :eek:

The majority of detainees at Gitmo were never claimed to be directly guilty of anything except possessing info that was needed. Good try but it is war and all bets are off on the 'civil rights' issue on this go around. :p


There you go distracting AGAIN.

It's not about al Qaeda or bin Laden, it's about torture and the Bush administration.
The BBC documentary is spot on even if the poster is a bit over the edge.

Keep trying though, it's important that history has examples of "good Americans" like you.

[KV1M]

KV1M gathering helpers? :p:p:p

I don't need to gather help there Jethro, we outnumber you mouthbreathers.
You might want to get some help coming up with some original thought though, the talking points you repeat constantly are stale and disproved.

BTW - I don't post conspiracy theory, I post FACT. Easily verifiable FACT. That you don't (or don't know how to) verify before starting your repeater action is not my concern.

[N5NPO]

Hillary gets elected, then she will go after Bush and Cheney for using Halliburton to destroy the levees in New Orleans after Katrina, causing the deaths of thousands and bringing those buildings down on 911. They used a missle on the pentagon, that was no plane. This was all in order to start a war to raise oil prices so Bush and Cheney's buddies and Halliburton could get richer. The war didn't quite get the prices high enough. Hurricane Ivan was created by the Halliburton weather-o-matic machine to destroy the oil drilling industry in the Gulf of Mexico. It was not as successfull and Bush and Cheney wanted, so they waited about a year and created Hurricane Katrina with the doomsday machine weather-o-matic.
Yes, the VAST RIGHT WING Conspiracy machine that Hillary told us about is about to come unravelled.
Hillary 08!!!

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Thank God for the stereotypes. Ammunition for the mindless.

[kg6amw]

George Bush's war on radical Islamic terrorists and their sponsors apparently makes a lot of widely different people uncomfortable -- especially silly Englishmen and turncoats.

[KV1M]

George Bush's war on radical Islamic terrorists and their sponsors apparently makes a lot of widely different people uncomfortable -- especially silly Englishmen and turncoats.

You calling me a traitor there moron?
Stupid charge to make given what I post.

But then you mouthbreathers never were too bright.
Or patriotic.

[kg6amw]

You calling me a traitor there moron?
Stupid charge to make given what I post.

But then you mouthbreathers never were too bright.
Or patriotic.

Dear boy I never accused you of anything such thing, but I am surprised you came back so quickly on the subject.

[N4VGB]

I don't need to gather help there Jethro, we outnumber you mouthbreathers.
You might want to get some help coming up with some original thought though, the talking points you repeat constantly are stale and disproved.

BTW - I don't post conspiracy theory, I post FACT. Easily verifiable FACT. That you don't (or don't know how to) verify before starting your repeater action is not my concern.

GM4BRB only posts empirical facts, just like you, his facts are empirical because he says so. :p:p:p

[KV1M]

Dear boy I never accused you of anything such thing, but I am surprised you came back so quickly on the subject.

You used the term turncoat, that means traitor.
And I'm the only expat here so who else would you be digging at?

BTW - I wasn't aware the Brits were our enemies, that would be the requirement to be a turncoat you know.

[KV1M]

GM4BRB only posts empirical facts, just like you, his facts are empirical because he says so. :p:p:p

I post verifiable fact, and you post unsubstantiated opinion.
Even empirical fact is better than your opinion.

Your unwillingness to verify is not my concern.
Personally I think you aren't up to the task of verification.
And you have a track record of being so wrong as to be nothing more than meaningless noise as an information source. Once again, probably from your inability to verify anything.

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George Bush's war on a sovereign nation that posed us no threat for his handlers, corporate amerika (particularly the oil giants), apparently makes a lot of widely different people delusional -- especially mindless party puppets who fantasize of entire political parties being invested in defeat.

Sig Heil, dingleberry boosh, duh conqueror.

Is the GD mission accomplished yet?

[N4VGB]

Is the GD mission accomplished yet?


No, not yet. :)

[w2amr]

George Bush's war on a sovereign nation that posed us no threat for his handlers, corporate amerika (particularly the oil giants), apparently makes a lot of widely different people delusional -- especially mindless party puppets who fantasize of entire political parties being invested in defeat.

Sig Heil, dingleberry boosh, duh conqueror.

Is the GD mission accomplished yet?
Almost, there are still the issues of getting the middle class workers down to $0.50 per hour, and the gas up to $10 per gallon . Oh , sorry Luke, you were talking about the war.

[N4VGB]

Almost, there are still the issues of getting the middle class workers down to $0.50 per hour, and the gas up to $10 per gallon . Oh , sorry Luke, you were talking about the war.

Don't worry, Obama has promised you minimum wage types a raise every year after he's elected. :)

[w2amr]

Don't worry, Obama has promised you minimum wage types a raise every year after he's elected. :)
Here is a news flash for you oh dimmest of bulbs. I maintain a rental fleet of 60 cars and trucks , by myself . I would not be busting my ass doing this job for the minimum wage.

[N4VGB]

Here is a news flash for you oh dimmest of bulbs. I maintain a rental fleet of 60 cars and trucks , by myself . I would not be busting my ass doing this job for the minimum wage.


It doesn't matter at all, everybody gets a big raise under the Obama plan and even bigger tax refunds than the Republicans have given. It's Heaven for all dude! :D

[KV1M]

It doesn't matter at all, everybody gets a big raise under the Obama plan and even bigger tax refunds than the Republicans have given. It's Heaven for all dude! :D

You have no shame about being wrong all the time do you?
It's just switch tack and keep on being as wrong as you can be.

Amazing.

[N4VGB]

You have no shame about being wrong all the time do you?
It's just switch tack and keep on being as wrong as you can be.

Amazing.

So you haven't downloaded and read the Obama literature from his website? :confused:

[KV1M]

So you haven't downloaded and read the Obama literature from his website? :confused:

Has nothing to do with you being wrong all the time Jethro.
And you are wrong, all the time.

It's a gift, I guess.

[N4VGB]

Has nothing to do with you being wrong all the time Jethro.
And you are wrong, all the time.

It's a gift, I guess.

AH, I read what the candidate has to say and you don't bother. Must be a mental osmosis thing between you and Obama? :D:D:D

[KV1M]

AH, I read what the candidate has to say and you don't bother. Must be a mental osmosis thing between you and Obama? :D:D:D

You? Read? And understand?!

BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!
That was even better than the first one!

I gotta go now, you are pretty boring you know that?

[N4VGB]

You? Read? And understand?!

BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!
That was even better than the first one!

I gotta go now, you are pretty boring you know that?

Another cave in? ;)

[w2amr]

You have no shame about being wrong all the time do you?


Amazing.
A man has to stick with what he does best. :D

[N4VGB]

A man has to stick with what he does best. :D

Indeed, keep playing with the dog. :p:p:p

[K4GUN]

I really don't understand how some people who post here managed to get an amateur radio license. Its just a good thing I have such a high IQ, because I'm pretty sure I just lost 3 points just reading the drivel posted here.

[KC9IUX]

I really don't understand how some people who post here managed to get an amateur radio license. Its just a good thing I have such a high IQ, because I'm pretty sure I just lost 3 points just reading the drivel posted here.


LOL

Is recess over yet?

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Is recess over yet?

When recess ends at QRZ, study hall begins. Then cafeteria. We don't hafta grow up, we're hams-r-us kids...

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When recess ends at QRZ, study hall begins. Then cafeteria. We don't hafta grow up, we're hams-r-us kids...

Bwaaa! Good one. :D

[w2amr]

I really don't understand how some people who post here managed to get an amateur radio license. Its just a good thing I have such a high IQ, because I'm pretty sure I just lost 3 points just reading the drivel posted here.
Yeah, you might be just too smart to hang around here.

[W1GUH]

You people who post insults to people who post stuff you don't like....how do you sleep at night? Are you immune to embarassment? Do you not know how puerile, arrogant, and ignorant those kinds of posts make you look? Especially when it's so obviously a reflexive knee-jerk that has no thought behind it?

[N4VGB]

You people who post insults to people who post stuff you don't like....how do you sleep at night? Are you immune to embarassment? Do you not know how puerile, arrogant, and ignorant those kinds of posts make you look? Especially when it's so obviously a reflexive knee-jerk that has no thought behind it?

I sleep like a baby! Surely you don't take much posted in this forum section seriously? :eek:

[n2ize]

You people who post insults to people who post stuff you don't like....how do you sleep at night? Are you immune to embarassment? Do you not know how puerile, arrogant, and ignorant those kinds of posts make you look? Especially when it's so obviously a reflexive knee-jerk that has no thought behind it?

They keep spewing the lies and the hate for anything other than what Rush Limbaugh tells them.

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What does Rush Limbaugh have to do with

Fatal special event station QSL card leads to War Crimes charges!

( which claim remains unproven )

[KB9YCO]

Alrighty then. So, in the day or so that I haven't looked at this post it has turned into insults, insinuations, assumptions, and partisan rhetoric (some things never change, almost comforting), and yet still no one has addressed the fact that, regardless of what you think about the war, Bush, or Iraq, the initial post in this thread makes no sense whatsoever!!

I guess I'm the only person that wants to know just what the hell " Fatal special event station QSL card leads to War Crimes charges!" means, what it has to do with Iraq/Bush/9-11, and why anyone would take 99% of what they read on Prison Planet (an Alex Jones conspiracy nut production) seriously.

But please, keep fighting and talking partisan polarizing trash, it's always amusing in a sick, sad, pathetic, simple-minded, kind of a way. It still doesn't give us any idea what sort of "message" (if we can call something that incomprehensible a message) the poster of this thread intended.

[N4VGB]

I guess I'm the only person that wants to know just what the hell " Fatal special event station QSL card leads to War Crimes charges!" means, what it has to do with Iraq/Bush/9-11, and why anyone would take 99% of what they read on Prison Planet (an Alex Jones conspiracy nut production) seriously.


Could be that Graeme has "came down" and doesn't remember what he meant? :confused:

[KB9YCO]

Could be that Graeme has "came down" and doesn't remember what he meant? :confused:

I wanna party with that dude!

http://www.indium.com/_images/0104/jeff_spicoli.jpg

[W1GUH]

They keep spewing the lies and the hate for anything other than what Rush Limbaugh tells them.

Notice that the posters that that was aimed at have not responded? So this is a public statement that some posters are to be ignored. Always have been, always will be. Whatareyagonnado?

[GM4BRB]

Could be that Graeme has "came down" and doesn't remember what he meant? :confused:


1)
'Unintelligent veto'.
Armed Forces Journal (http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2008/04/3464194). ~ 22 April, 2008.

TO PRESIDENT BUSH, for vetoing legislation that would have made it illegal for U.S. intelligence officials to use waterboarding in interrogations. Waterboarding and other torture contradict the Army’s “Soldier’s Rules” of ethical and lawful conduct: Do not harm enemies who surrender; do not kill or torture enemy prisoners of war. And, as Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Jay Rockefeller correctly said, permitting the CIA to torture prisoners damages our national security by weakening America’s legal and moral authority. The Army’s new Operations Field Manual is clearer still: “Nothing emboldens enemy resistance like the belief that U.S. forces will kill or torture prisoners.” The Army is right; its commander in chief is wrong.
http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2008/04/3464194 (http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2008/04/3464194)

2)
Letters Give C.I.A. Tactics a Legal Rationale — New York Times. (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/washington/27intel.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)
April 27, 2008
'While the Geneva Conventions prohibit “outrages upon personal dignity,” a letter sent by the Justice Department to Congress on March 5 makes clear that the administration has not drawn a precise line in deciding which interrogation methods would violate that standard, and is reserving the right to make case-by-case judgments. [...]
Mr. Bush issued the executive order last summer to comply with restrictions imposed by the Supreme Court (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/s/supreme_court/index.html?inline=nyt-org) and Congress. The order spelled out new standards for interrogation techniques, requiring that they comply with international standards for humane treatment, but it did not identify any approved techniques.'
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/washington/27intel.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/washington/27intel.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)

3)
FLUORIDE STUPIDITY & POPULATION CONTROL (http://www.preferrednetwork.com/FLUORIDE_STUPIDITY.htm)
Independent scientific evidence repeatedly showing up over the past 50 years reveals that fluoride allegedly shortens our life span, promotes cancer and various mental disturbances, accelerates osteoporosis and broken hips in old folks, and makes us stupid, docile, and subservient, all in one package. There are reports of aluminum in the brain possibly being a causative factor in Alzheimer's Disease, and evidence points towards fluoride's strong affinity for aluminum and also its ability to "trick" the blood-brain barrier by looking like the hydrogen ion, and thus allowing chemical access to brain tissue.
http://www.youtube.com/v/RXWwd0AdG40&hl=en
http://www.preferrednetwork.com/FLUORIDE_STUPIDITY.htm

"Have you ever seen a commie drink a glass of water, Mandrake? Vodka, that's what they drink. Have you heard of fluoridation of water? Do you realise that fluoridation is the most dangerous communist threat we have ever had to face."
General Jack D. Ripper — 'Doctor Strangelove'. Stanley Kubrick, 1963.

4) A preview of USA's Auschwitz. See your FEMA Camp in Better Quality Video (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=277826260716604258)
This is the one in Beech Grove but It's much sharper and larger. I did some research on the "so called" furnaces and the white AGA Gas Inc. Cylinder. The "so called" furnaces are exhaust fans. AGA GAS Inc. Sells mostly asphyxiation type gases...you can verify this by doing a search via dogpile for AGA GAS Inc. and the look for web site MDS and they will list the gases. In the video it shows a gas main, you can see there are 2 or 3 connections with regulators on top. Regulators are used to regulate pressure and gas mixtures. It seems that this is indeed a death camp, for those on the red and blue list. It can process 26,000 people every 24hrs. The site has since been cleaned up to look inconspicuous.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=277826260716604258 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=277826260716604258)


The Bible: Psalms 149:7-9.
"To execute vengeance upon the nations,
Rebukes upon the National groups,
To bind their kings with shackles,
And their glorified ones with fetters of Iron,
To execute upon them the judicial decisions written.
Such splendour belongs to his loyal ones. Praise Jah, YOU people."

[w2amr]

Good stuff

[n0ov]

GM5BRBurp.................

Sounds like old Haggis breath got a bad piece of sheep lung in yeold tummy

[KB3QLK]

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[KC7YPJ]

are the occupants at gitmo uniformed combatants for a sovereign nation belonging to the geneva convention?

simple answer : NO

are my rights as defined by radical islamic terrorists the right to stand there and be slaughtered or beheaded in the name of jihad?

simple answer : YES

as per geneva convention these people have zero rights afforded them by the convention.

if loading up a terrorists nuts on my 500c and pounding out the star spangeled banner with my hammered el cheapo mfj straight key while hoseing the guy down with a pigs blood filled super soaker nets me the information needed to save 1 life regardless of nationality or ethnic group your damn right I'd do it in a heartbeat...

what people seem to forget is that through time it has been proven over and over that you can't reason with these people, the only thing that will make them happy is the demise of anybody who thinks or believes differantly.
this isn't a matter of civil rights, anyone that beheads innocent people then send the tapes to the media gave up any rights they may have had...

it's a matter of survival, in that fight all bets are off, you do what you have to in order to survive.

for those whining about civil rights violations and the like, just remember the countless numbers that died to give you those rights.

Freedom isn't free, it carries with it the highest cost known to humankind, always has, always will.

[N4VGB]

?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????


Graeme, are you currently institutionalized? You're definitely spending way too much time feeding your own paranoia on the internet. It's Spring Graeme, get out and view the greening and flowering of the countryside more.

Just to relieve one of your fears, we've never been on a flouridated water system here locally, fell better?

[KV1M]

are the occupants at gitmo uniformed combatants for a sovereign nation belonging to the geneva convention?

simple answer : NO


as per geneva convention these people have zero rights afforded them by the convention.


The Geneva Conventions makes no distinction between non combatant or combatant, you really do need to actually read them before making such ignorant proclamations.

EVERYONE is covered under the Conventions, no exceptions.

[N4VGB]

The Geneva Conventions makes no distinction between non combatant or combatant, you really do need to actually read them before making such ignorant proclamations.

EVERYONE is covered under the Conventions, no exceptions.

Are you ever clueless! Read first dummy! :rolleyes:

[KB9YCO]

1)
'Unintelligent veto'.
Armed Forces Journal (http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2008/04/3464194). ~ 22 April, 2008....[/url]
[B]www.armedforcesjournal.com... (http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2008/04/3464194)

2)
Letters Give C.I.A. Tactics a Legal Rationale — New York Times.com... (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/washington/27intel.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)


3)http://www.nytimes.com... (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/washington/27intel.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)

FLUORIDE STUPIDITY & POPULATION CONTROL (http://www.preferrednetwork.com/FLUORIDE_STUPIDITY.htm)
http://www.youtube.com/v/RXWwd0AdG40&hl=en
http://www.preferrednetwork.com/FLUORIDE_STUPIDITY.htm

"Have you ever seen a commie drink a glass of water? Vodka, that's what they drink. Have you heard of fluoridation of water? Do you realise that fluoridation is the most dangerous communist threat we have ever had to face."
General Jack D. Ripper — 'Doctor Strangelove'. Stanley Kubrick, 1963.

4) A preview of USA's Auschwitz. See your FEMA Camp in Better Quality Video (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=277826260716604258)

Well, at least you finally posted something that made sense. I still don't know what that has to do with "special event" stations, or QSL cards, but for the most part I would agree with you that this administration has made a mockery of the basic principles of liberty that this country was founded on.

...this isn't a matter of civil rights, anyone that beheads innocent people then send the tapes to the media gave up any rights they may have had...

it's a matter of survival, in that fight all bets are off, you do what you have to in order to survive.

for those whining about civil rights violations and the like, just remember the countless numbers that died to give you those rights.

Freedom isn't free, it carries with it the highest cost known to humankind, always has, always will.

The problem is that not every person that was 'detained' was proven to be a terrorist, or a beheader (is that a word?) so your comparison does not apply. We're talking about people that were detained without charge (or evidence of criminal activity in some cases) and held indefinitely. Survival is one thing, completely ignoring Geneva, not to mention the very basic principles that this country was founded on and that we are supposed to abide by, is something else.
You fly the flag of 'people died for your freedoms' and 'freedom isn't free', but you fail to realize that the people that have died defending this country did so to preserve those civil liberties, not to allow them to be abused, eroded, and ignored. Being patriotic means remembering WHY we have those basic principles, not that they go out the window as soon as we feel 'threatened', and on some people that haven't even been proven to be terrorists or enemy combatants.
But, you're right, freedom isn't free, and if we don't all fight to preserve those essential freedoms and civil rights then where does it end? Who gets to decide which portions we get to ignore in the name of 'safety and security'?? Who gets to decide who deserves rights or who is considered as 'working for the enemy' and who isn't? That's really been the problem all along with this administration, vague allusions without any actual definitions or direct charges.

"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither." Benjamin Franklin

[N4VGB]

This debate seems meaningless since the great majority of Gitmo detainees have already been released. Many of them have been imprisoned in their homelands and now face charges there. The few detainees left at Gitmo do face charges and are due to be tried there. A raging debate over something that is nearly resolved to completion seems rather meaningless.

[KB9YCO]

This debate seems meaningless since the great majority of Gitmo detainees have already been released. Many of them have been imprisoned in their homelands and now face charges there. The few detainees left at Gitmo do face charges and are due to be tried there. A raging debate over something that is nearly resolved to completion seems rather meaningless.

Agreed, to a point anyway. I think the issue these days is the continuation of torture practices and the precedents that have been set. As well as some that want this administration help responsible for their previous actions, not only in terms of torture but also their many abuses and distortions or destruction of basic constitutional principles. That is most definitely still an issue and more than likely the reason that the debate continues in many places. Just a thought.

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I think the issue these days is the continuation of torture practices and the precedents that have been set.

The president who set the precedent will not have a presence in the White House, presently.

[KV1M]

Are you ever clueless! Read first dummy! :rolleyes:

Art 3. In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each Party to the conflict shall be bound to apply, as a minimum, the following
provisions:

(1) Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.
To this end, the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:
(a) violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;
(b) taking of hostages;
(c) outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment;
(d) the passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgement pronounced by a regularly constituted court, affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.

Art 13. The present Convention shall apply to the wounded, sick and shipwrecked at sea belonging to the following categories:
(1) Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict, as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces.
(2) Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfil the following conditions:
(a) that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;
(b) that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;
(c) that of carrying arms openly;
(d) that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.
(3) Members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a Government or an authority not recognized by the Detaining Power.
(4) Persons who accompany the armed forces without actually being members thereof, such as civilian members of military aircraft crews, war correspondents, supply contractors, members of labour units or of services responsible for the welfare of the armed forces, provided that they have received authorization from the armed forces which they accompany.
(5) Members of crews, including masters, pilots and apprentices, of the merchant marine and the crews of civil aircraft of the Parties to the conflict, who do not benefit by more favourable treatment under any other provisions of international law.
(6) Inhabitants of a non-occupied territory who, on the approach of the enemy, spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war.


Notice that covers everyone in Gitmo Jethro.
AND it lays out every crime the US has committed against it's detainees.

The Iraqi's and Taliban DO carry their arms openly.
The people in custody are not the ones who cut off heads, those guys are either dead or still wandering around.

The UN AND the USSC BOTH declared that the conventions apply despite your insistence that they do not.
Making a fool of you is most enjoyable.:D

[N4VGB]

Notice that covers everyone in Gitmo Jethro.
The Iraqi's and Taliban DO carry their arms openly.
The people in custody are not the ones who cut off heads, those guys are either dead or still wandering around.


Not really. You think the remaining detainees at Gitmo are your average AK47 & RPG toting ragheads from Iraq & Afghanistan! WOW, you are clueless. :)

[KV1M]

Not really. You think the remaining detainees at Gitmo are your average AK47 & RPG toting ragheads from Iraq & Afghanistan! WOW, you are clueless. :)

No, I think the remaining detainees are low to no value prisoners being held because to release them would be to admit to error.
Such is what the prosecutor at Guantanamo admitted to last week.

Most of those detainees being illegally held are just farmers sold to the US by warlords for cash in Afghanistan and have been so severely tortured that the US can't release them without admitting war crimes.

Oh, and lest we forget what I posted, they are covered under the Geneva convention as outlined above.

Only clueless one here is you Jethro. Well, there are a couple of others but none as proud of it as yourself.
It's amazing and amusing to watch you revel in your stupidity.

[N4VGB]

No, I think the remaining detainees are low to no value prisoners being held because to release them would be to admit to error.


AH, think I've got it now. Khalid Sheik Mohammed was only a poor Afghan farmer and the Pakistanis helped us grab him to get rid of him. Making self another note, you are so enlightening! :p:p:p

[KV1M]

AH, think I've got it now. Khalid Sheik Mohammed was only a poor Afghan farmer and the Pakistanis helped us grab him to get rid of him. Making self another note, you are so enlightening! :p:p:p

Khalid Mohammed was a runner of little value who was tortured into admitting things he couldn't have done because he was in custody when they happened. An expendable messenger boy. This was the CIA's original assessment and the Gitmo prosecutors have admitted this to be the case already. He was held and is being prosecuted under the directives of the President who doesn't want to have anyone contradict his erroneous proclamations of Khalids connections. Also documented Jethro.

Keep that head in the sand there Jethro, the truth can't get you there! :rolleyes:

[N4VGB]

Khalid Mohammed was a runner of little value who was tortured into admitting things he couldn't have done because he was in custody when they happened. An expendable messenger boy. This was the CIA's original assessment and the Gitmo prosecutors have admitted this to be the case already. He was held and is being prosecuted under the directives of the President who doesn't want to have anyone contradict his erroneous proclamations of Khalids connections. Also documented Jethro.

Keep that head in the sand there Jethro, the truth can't get you there! :rolleyes:

Thanks, making self another note. Bush wanted Khalid Sheik Mohammed for personal reasons and made the military, FBI and the CIA spend millions tracking him down. Got it! :rolleyes:

[KV1M]

Thanks, making self another note. Bush wanted Khalid Sheik Mohammed for personal reasons and made the military, FBI and the CIA spend millions tracking him down. Got it! :rolleyes:

But they didn't spend millions tracking him down. He was captured by Pakistani ISI in Rawalpindi (the US didn't even get him) and handed over to appease the US as a high value target.

He was turned in to the ISI by an al Qaida informant who was reportedly paid 27 million and is still free (some war on terror).
No FBI to be seen anywhere.

You didn't even get that one right Dilmus.
Keep em coming Dilmus, this is being archived by the web spiders for posterity.
Hope your grandchildren don't find the archives, might be a mighty disappointment knowing gramps was senile so young.

[N4VGB]

But they didn't spend millions tracking him down. He was captured by Pakistani ISI in Rawalpindi (the US didn't even get him) and handed over to appease the US as a high value target.


Damn Todd, I'm running out of paper for notes! Ooops found one last piece. Pakistanis tracked him down like human bloodhounds, press on using the global satellite phone system to track him down was BS to make the mil. & spooks look good in the process. Got it! :p:p:p

[KV1M]

Damn Todd, I'm running out of paper for notes! Ooops found one last piece. Pakistanis tracked him down like human bloodhounds, press on using the global satellite phone system to track him down was BS to make the mil. & spooks look good in the process. Got it! :p:p:p

Keep spinning there Jethro, you might spin the right direction some day.
But back to the main argument that I was right about before you started trolling me off it, the Geneva Conventions does indeed apply to even Khalid Sheik Mohammed as determined by even the USSC.

In the meantime your getting pretty boring again. Never anything new from you, certainly not anything informative or even true.

[N4VGB]

But back to the main argument that I was right about before you started trolling me off it, the Geneva Conventions does indeed apply to even Khalid Sheik Mohammed as determined by even the USSC.


Just enough room left on the last piece of note paper! International terrorists who engage in only the manipulation of funds, ordance, communications, etc. for the purpose of terrorists acts are classified as combatants by the Geneva Convention! Got it! Wait a minute, that means Osama bin Laden is also covered and innocent of all charges against him!? Now I'm confused? :eek:

[KV1M]

Well Jethro, looks like you've confused yourself yet again.

The US government is the one parsing about combatants.
The Conventions don't discriminate between combatants or non combatants.
And as I said the US Supreme Court has ruled against such narrow interpretations as you are trying to put forth.
The Supreme Court has ruled that the Conventions do indeed apply, so keep on crying and keep on trying cause every time I correct you it just gets the truth out yet again and makes you neomorons look dumber and dumber.


You are a great example for the fence sitters reading these exchanges you know.
You get it wrong, get corrected, refuse to acknowledge you got it wrong and try to troll off in another direction only to get it wrong again.
And then you get corrected again.

Very educational for those who aren't participating yet are wondering who has it right.:D

[N4VGB]

The Supreme Court has ruled that the Conventions do indeed apply, so keep on crying and keep on trying cause every time I correct you it just gets the truth out yet again and makes you neomorons look dumber and dumber.


Oh now sweety. I'm just basking in your light from London. That old mean Boosh is in big trouble now, I mean with the Supreme Court ruling his actions illegal, golly gee whiz. :D:D:D

[w6aws]

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[kk7ue]

:confused: the :eek:


where does the qsl card come into it?

[N4VGB]

where does the qsl card come into it?


Post #1. :rolleyes:

[k3roj]

Have done a lot of research on the web and by talking to other people. If you think about it, didn't Bush jump right in to invade an innocent country (Iraq) for no reason? Many people think Israel and certain people in the USA planned the 9/11 attack. Israel wanted an excuse to force Bush to invade a Muslim country. It backfired however since so many of our people are being killed. Israel is very afraid that Iran will destroy them and wanted our troops in the mideast.

[KV1M]

Have done a lot of research on the web and by talking to other people. If you think about it, didn't Bush jump right in to invade an innocent country (Iraq) for no reason? Many people think Israel and certain people in the USA planned the 9/11 attack. Israel wanted an excuse to force Bush to invade a Muslim country. It backfired however since so many of our people are being killed. Israel is very afraid that Iran will destroy them and wanted our troops in the mideast.

Yup, had attack plans drawn up as early as 1999.
Except the 9/11 thingie, they just let it happen cause it was convenient.

[KB9YCO]

Have done a lot of research on the web and by talking to other people. If you think about it, didn't Bush jump right in to invade an innocent country (Iraq) for no reason? Many people think Israel and certain people in the USA planned the 9/11 attack. Israel wanted an excuse to force Bush to invade a Muslim country. It backfired however since so many of our people are being killed. Israel is very afraid that Iran will destroy them and wanted our troops in the mideast.

Do you really believe it? Do you believe "Israel and certain people in the USA planned the 9/11 attack" as some sort of an excuse to invade Iraq? I know you said "Many people think..." but still, you're suggesting it as a legitimate possibility. I've heard of some pretty underhanded things done by our government and others but I think all that conspiracy stuff that our own government planned it is a bunch of BS. I've read quite a lot about it too and I'm curious as to what information lead you to that conclusion. I would agree that there's more to the story, but I find the 'engineered by the government' stuff a little hard to swallow. What would lead someone to such a conclusion? (Not you necessarily as you didn't commit to believing it yourself.)

[GM4BRB]

Post #1. :rolleyes:

:eek: Still didn't get my QSL? I blame the bureau.:cool:

Special Operations Prepared for Domestic Missions (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2007/06/special_operations_prepared_fo.html)
"When NORTHCOM was established after 9/11 to be the military counterpart to the Department of Homeland Security, within its headquarters staff it established a Compartmented Planning and Operations Cell (CPOC) responsible for planning and directing a set of "compartmented" and "sensitive" operations on U.S., Canadian and Mexican soil. In other words, these are the very special operations that NORTHCOM is now formally asking the Pentagon to beef up into a public and acknowledged sub-command.
NORTHCOM's compartmented and sensitive operations fall under the Joint Chiefs of Staff "Focal Point" program, a separate communications and planning network used to hide special operations undertaken by the Joint Special Operations Command, headquartered in North Carolina, and by CIA and other domestic compartmented activities."
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2007/06/special_operations_prepared_fo.html

Military Commissions Act (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-3930)
There is nothing in the "detainee" legislation that protects American citizens from being kidnapped by their own government and tortured.
The New York Times stated (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/28/opinion/28thu1.html) that the legislation introduced, "A dangerously broad definition of “illegal enemy combatant” in the bill could subject legal residents of the United States, as well as foreign citizens living in their own countries, to summary arrest and indefinite detention with no hope of appeal. The president could give the power to apply this label to anyone he wanted."
Yale Law Professor Bruce Ackerman states in the L.A. Times (http://), "The compromise legislation....authorizes the president to seize American citizens as enemy combatants, even if they have never left the United States. And once thrown into military prison, they cannot expect a trial by their peers or any other of the normal protections of the Bill of Rights." Similarly, law Professor Marty Lederman explain (http://balkin.blogspot.com/2006/09/imagine-giving-donald-rumsfeld.html)s: "this [subsection (ii) of the definition of 'unlawful enemy combatant'] means that if the Pentagon says you're an unlawful enemy combatant -- using whatever criteria they wish -- then as far as Congress, and U.S. law, is concerned, you are one, whether or not you have had any connection to 'hostilities' at all."
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-3930

Those divisions currently recognized as liberating units by the U.S. Army. (http://www.state.sd.us/military/VetAffairs/sdwwiimemorial/subpages/testimonies/liberator_units.htm)
South Dakota Veterans and WWII Concentration Camps “Liberator Units”.
http://www.state.sd.us/military/VetAffairs/sdwwiimemorial/subpages/testimonies/liberator_units.htm


Fair Comment:
Let's hope there's somebody left in the US military that would be willing to intervene on behalf of the name of Freedom, life, justice & Truth if some of those FEMA camps dotted all around the US should go active like a domestic Abu Ghraib, East European or North African Extraordinary Renditions CIA utility 'Black Site'! Can we count on you, or anybody for that matter?

[kg6amw]

A suggestion for you unhappy, offended "war dissenters" and America haters in Europe: End your obsessions with the pathologies of America, the war and Guantanamo. It is not that we Americans are mad at what you say, it’s just that you have all become so hypocritical, predictable, and now boring — you are all so boring.

[KV1M]

A suggestion for you unhappy, offended "war dissenters" and America haters in Europe: End your obsessions with the pathologies of America, the war and Guantanamo. It is not that we Americans are mad at what you say, it’s just that you have all become so hypocritical, predictable, and now boring — you are all so boring.

You, Americans? BWAAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!

Your leaders have destroyed the country!
You have destroyed the country with your endless mindless cheerleading of piss poor leadership and bad judgment.
You unAmerican types are happiest when you lose your rights and freedoms just because it will piss off some liberal somewhere.
How stupid is that?

And, BTW, you are seriously outnumbered by the REAL Americans who want this war to end right this second.

I obviously love America far more than you do, I actually care that it's being flushed down the toilet by the likes of you.
Perhaps you could push your own your face in the toilet and flush a couple of times just to get the picture of what you actually do love.

[kg6amw]

You, Americans? BWAAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!

Your leaders have destroyed the country!
You have destroyed the country with your endless mindless cheerleading of piss poor leadership and bad judgment.
You unAmerican types are happiest when you lose your rights and freedoms just because it will piss off some liberal somewhere.
How stupid is that?

And, BTW, you are seriously outnumbered by the REAL Americans who want this war to end right this second.

I obviously love America far more than you do, I actually care that it's being flushed down the toilet by the likes of you.
Perhaps you could push your own your face in the toilet and flush a couple of times just to get the picture of what you actually do love.

So boring.

[KV1M]

So boring.

And yet spot on.
Amazing that.

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So boring.

And you fancy yourself a bundle of joy and entertainment? You're one of the driest, most boring people around here. You happen to be void of anything but your intense hatred of real Americans who dare to speak out against a corrupt regime that siezed control of the country, and is leading it down the sewer. You'll always be a bootlicker, with no original thought of your own.

You, in your pitiful, narrow, little existence, give yourself far too much credit. Like all the other narrow minded, right wing zealots, you are incapable of independent thought, instead resorting continuously to a sad attempt to make yourself better by utilizing the ineffective method of putting those who dare disagree with you down. You're fortunate that anyone bothers to communicate with you at all. You have the personality of a rock ... a very small one.

It's the right wing noise machine to which you belong that makes places like this miserable. But that wouldn't concern you at all ... like a true neocon, you have no concern for anyone, as long as you "got yours".

Selfish, hateful, pitiful little creatures you neocons are.

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A suggestion for you unhappy, offended "war dissenters" and America haters in Europe: End your obsessions with the pathologies of America, the war and Guantanamo. It is not that we Americans are mad at what you say, it’s just that you have all become so hypocritical, predictable, and now boring — you are all so boring.

So sorry, Comrade. Real Americans don't buy into torture and corrupt wars. You wouldn't know a real American if he walked up to you and knocked the taste out of your mouth.

[kg6amw]

So sorry, Comrade. Real Americans don't buy into torture and corrupt wars. You wouldn't know a real American if he walked up to you and knocked the taste out of your mouth.

So boring.

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So boring.

Yes, you are. Pitifully so.

Thank you for proving me right.

[KV1M]

So boring.

Yup, you sure are.

[w2amr]

So boring.
Whee Doagie. Ya got um good with that one.

[N4VGB]

OH LOOK, it's Larry, Moe and Curly with consecutive posts! :p:p:p

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OH LOOK, it's Larry, Moe and Curly with consecutive posts! :p:p:p

Just ignore us. We're aware that the subject matter is too complicated for you. We'll slap you around elsewhere, at a later time.

Don't you have a boat ramp to build in your back yard or something?

[KV1M]

Or maybe some gear you can't actually use to tune?

[N4VGB]

Or maybe some gear you can't actually use to tune?

Be careful or I'll skin your little red fox and make a pillow out of him. :eek:

[KV1M]

Be careful or I'll skin your little red fox and make a pillow out of him. :eek:

You'd actually have to get a passport to do that.

[N4VGB]

You'd actually have to get a passport to do that.

Slam dunk. ;)

[w2amr]

Just ignore us. We're aware that the subject matter is too complicated for you. We'll slap you around elsewhere, at a later time.

Don't you have a boat ramp to build in your back yard or something?
No , he has another project. He's going to hang his dummy load in a tree and go for WAS.

[N4VGB]

No , he has another project. He's going to hang his dummy load in a tree and go for WAS.

Not a bad idea!? :cool::cool::cool:

[KV1M]

Not a bad idea!? :cool::cool::cool:

And what a great way to lose your license, I'll be listening for ya!

[N4VGB]

And what a great way to lose your license, I'll be listening for ya!

Take my driver's license or my hunting/fishing license and I'm crushed, take my amateur radio license, eh, big deal. :p

[KV1M]

Take my driver's license or my hunting/fishing license and I'm crushed, take my amateur radio license, eh, big deal. :p

Excellent, please do go freebander (if you haven't already).
Be sure to use the big gear so they'll find ya quick!

Go out big!

[N4VGB]

Excellent, please do go freebander (if you haven't already).

Hey that freebanding was great when I was a kid, sunspot cycle ya know, greatest one ever in my lifetime. :)

[kk7ue]

And what a great way to lose your license, I'll be listening for ya!

How does one lose a license for using a dummy load as an antenna? Did I miss something in part 97? :rolleyes:

[KV1M]

How does one lose a license for using a dummy load as an antenna? Did I miss something in part 97? :rolleyes:

If you are putting out enough signal on a dummy load to work WAS on bands you aren't licensed for then yes, you can lose your license.

[n2ize]

Excellent, please do go freebander (if you haven't already).
Be sure to use the big gear so they'll find ya quick!

Go out big!

I cannot understand why someone would even bother to entertain the idea of operating on bands and modes where they do not have operating privileges.. Especially when the simple answer is to merely take a simple written test and upgrade. It's so easy a child can do it. Practice tests are available online. And all the test questions asise from a common question pool. Unless a person has some sort of severe mental impairment it is easy to upgrade. Just take and pass one simple easy written test and you get the operating privileges. Nowadays there is absolutely no excuse for bootlegging on the bands.

[N4VGB]

Nowadays there is absolutely no excuse for bootlegging on the bands.

So you know someone that is doing this? :confused: