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n0ov
04-25-2008, 06:58 PM
In the W3SY for Prez Post da Pope suggested the time has come for a Universal Licensing Program

Universal Licensing NOW! Current FCC examinations BIASED against the lazy and stupid! The lazy and stupid are as entitled to a HAM (snicker) ticket as anyone!!



So what do you folks think, eliminating CW managed to get more folks on HF, wouldn't universal licensing get more mikes in the hands of the needy?

KD6NIG
04-25-2008, 07:03 PM
While they are at it, they should make it so that any person with a ham license can legally run up to 1500W also on the CB channels.

You'd see those licensing numbers uptick in a heartbeat if that guy running that kicker under the seat could be doing it....legally.

Why not, they already do it and the FCC doesn't care, up the enforcement on CB on people who are unlicensed, and bring them into the realm. Maybe then they will start paying attention to some of our habits and clean up their signals......

I mean heck, if all this dumbing down is to help the numbers, then there you go. The hams get their beloved 11m band back (well, kinda) and the CB'rs have a chance to go legal.

And heck, maybe 25% of them will even join the ARRL!

(/sarcasm)

wb5ydk
04-25-2008, 07:42 PM
All our rigs could be mass-produced in China while WalMart handled any licensing details.

K8MHZ
04-25-2008, 08:09 PM
I'm all for re-testing when it comes time for renewal. Not just for the class held, but for each level under and including. For example, Extras would have to re-pass Tech, General and Extra written. Those that passed Morse tests should have to get a higher grade on their exams than those that didn't and the grading curve should be based upon the highest WPM passed. For instance, no coders should have to get a 70 to pass, 5 WPM a 75, 13 WPM an 80 and 20 WPM should have to get a 90.

ai4ep
04-25-2008, 08:50 PM
....so by using k8mhz s idea, we would slowly LOSE the smart folks on the amateur frequencies, and reduce the basic I Q level DOWN to the equivalent of cb channel 19.

This would take time, but be well worth the effort.

So why not just eliminate any and all testing of any type ?

We dont want to discriminate against any one because of their low I Q , or lack of common sense, or any other reason.

KG4RUL
04-25-2008, 09:13 PM
If you are going to drop the exams, drop the licensing too! 25KW on 75M! WAY COOL! :D

G0GQK
04-25-2008, 09:30 PM
Aw shucks ! I think everybody should be allowed to have 2 kw maximum whether they are CB'ers or amateur brass pounders. There should be freedom to put 120 ft masts without local government consent and if the neighbours complain just zap their TV's with krud ! I like the idea of Walmart issueing instant licenses and if China makes all the rigs they'll be cheaper than ever, and that's good news. Also I think all this sub band business should be thrown out. Let everybody operate where they want if the coders want to operate in the SSB, and the Pactor enthrusiasts operate in the SSB and digital frequencies so be it. Live free without restrictions, Peace brother, Peace.

G0GQK

w6ire
04-25-2008, 09:50 PM
They should eliminate all testing for an amateur radio license. Instead, to get a license you must have a $2000 deposit on account with the FCC. If they find you in violation, they can confiscate your deposit.

Memorizing complicated digital electronics is not going to help you fix your Yaesu FTDX 9000. Currently the tests are really just a hazing ritual. Most ham radio operators are socially inept knobs anyway, so maybe by opening it up to everyone we'll get some diversity.

KC2PBJ
04-25-2008, 11:43 PM
Renewal testing? Yes, bring it on. Re-qualify on cw testing? Why not? It would weed out some of the new people that do not improve their skills and would also eliminate some of the people at the other end of the age spectrum who do not keep their skills current and are an equal detriment to the avocation.

kb2vxa
04-25-2008, 11:54 PM
KISS, keep it simple (and) stupid. Eliminate the FCC.

K0HWY
04-26-2008, 05:10 AM
In the W3SY for Prez Post da Pope suggested the time has come for a Universal Licensing Program



So what do you folks think, eliminating CW managed to get more folks on HF, wouldn't universal licensing get more mikes in the hands of the needy?

With ideas like this, W3SY had better be watching his back. ARRL will be sending a hit man out to his QTH to prevent him from going public with an idea they've already got on the burner. :p

kb3laz
04-26-2008, 05:21 AM
All our rigs could be mass-produced in China while WalMart handled any licensing details.

Hehe ...........

ka0gkt
04-26-2008, 06:01 AM
Heck, lets make power graduated. Everyone gets all amateur privaleges regarding modes and frequencies, however Tech licensees are limited to 100 W PEP, Generals to 1,000 watts, Advanced Class to 10,000 watts DC output (that would be 40,000 W PEP and Extra class to a maximum of 100,000 watts (400,000 W PEP); however anyone operating with a TPO of more than 1,000 watts must have the uncontrolled exposure areas around their antennas fenced.

Think about it, calling CQ with 100 KW AM on 160, now that's a grand groundwave!

Face it, my idea isn't any more ridiculous than some of the stuff which finds its way onto Zed.

n0ov
04-26-2008, 10:46 PM
With ideas like this, W3SY had better be watching his back. ARRL will be sending a hit man out to his QTH to prevent him from going public with an idea they've already got on the burner. :p

Actually one of Steves better proposals is to create an Amateur Radio UNION.



W3SY States:

Another thought.... The Dim-o-crats are heavily pro-union, and the nation is now heavily pro-Dummycrat. ERGO, unions are the way to go, baby! I propose the formation of the HAM Union. HAM UNION NOW!!! HAM UNION NOW!!! HAM UNION NOW!!!

What's the ARRL? It's the American Radio Relay League. What is it? It's a LEAGUE! Who's afraid of a LEAGUE? What, is it like a Friday night Bowling League? The Women's Auxillary League? Little League?? The ARRL is run by a bunch of scrawny Poindexters with slide rules and pocket protectors. And they formed a "league." Well, WHOOP DEE FRICKIN DOO! No wonder the ARRL can't get anything constructive done.

We need a HAM UNION. We need to use physical intimidation, and lots of it. Every day, everywhere. We need leg breakers. Arm twisters. Butt kickers. We need
(more) 2-digit IQ people who blindly follow leadership like so many sheep. This formula has worked for a long time for the labor unions. Nobody can deny that THEY keep everyone in line. That's what HAM (snicker) needs. A Union! HAM UNION NOW!!

In my next installment, I'll think of a clever name for this union. In the mean time, get ready to put your personal opinions, politics, and agendas aside. The HAM UNION is gonna handle that all for you from now on!

HAM UNION OR BUST!!!

Out.

:eek: :cool:

KI4ITV
04-26-2008, 11:26 PM
Think about it, calling CQ with 100 KW AM on 160, now that's a grand groundwave!



I'm not sure, but, I think our last sound man used to mix the bass drum and bottom just like you describe. Literally, a punch to the chest.
:D

W5HTW
04-27-2008, 02:00 AM
I'd go the other way, as much as I respect Steve and Charlie Chickenbander. I'd drop the amateur radio power leve to 75 watts output. Period.

And I'm not really kidding, though I know 99 percent of the hams would then break the law. When I was in France in the late 50s, we were allowed 50 watts INPUT on 80 meter CW. We could run 100 watts on 20 meters, and 100 watts on 40 meters. Sure had many great contacts with those power levels. I had a Heath DX35 as my main rig.

Really, I think it would be great to get back to basics. In fact, I operate that way anyway, most of the time, except my rig is100 watts output, not input. I sold my amplifier. Rarely turned it on.

Ham radio is a lot of fun, especially if it depends upon skill instead of power. So maybe I don't work the big ones. I'll live just as long, be just as poor, and in the same health. In other words, it isn't important to work the big ones.

And I'd vote for Steve for Pope, too. Or Vice Pope. Or Secretary of Popes.

Bring back Charlie Chickenbander. He be da' pope.

Ed

K1CJS
04-27-2008, 03:59 PM
Heck, make it even simpler and easier--no license, unlimited power AND transmit on any frequency you want to. Those wide open spaces that will be there after analog TV goes bye-bye ought to useful to somebody. How about all those VHF frequencies vacated by the police, fire and other public services move to the 400 mhz bands?

Let Uniden make all the radios they want (like they do for 11 mtrs. now) and sell 'em at Wally World and other cut rate junk shops.

The unwashed will blow out their radios quick and will go buy new ones--that'll stimulate the economy. Anybody can talk to anybody else--including their relatives--without visiting them, so that will help eliminate our dependency on oil. And, if anybody can talk to anybody, let everybody in on the discussions between governments--that way the people can say what they want to say. That'll eliminate corrupt politicians.

Oh, how wonderful the new world will be when the bands are wide open for everybody! :rolleyes: :D

KA4DPO
04-29-2008, 06:43 PM
Quote:
Universal Licensing NOW! Current FCC examinations BIASED against the lazy and stupid! The lazy and stupid are as entitled to a HAM (snicker) ticket as anyone!!



Oh contrare my friend. Current FCC policy elevates the lazy and stupid to new status. The VEC question pool was proof tested by administering tests to illiterate people in the hinterlands of apalacia (just listen to 3.987) and they were able to determine the tests actually favor the lazy and stupid. Your platform is flawed.

By the way, who's your reverend?:)

WA6MHZ
04-30-2008, 02:29 PM
They should eliminate all testing for an amateur radio license. Instead, to get a license you must have a $2000 deposit on account with the FCC. If they find you in violation, they can confiscate your deposit.

Memorizing complicated digital electronics is not going to help you fix your Yaesu FTDX 9000. Currently the tests are really just a hazing ritual. Most ham radio operators are socially inept knobs anyway, so maybe by opening it up to everyone we'll get some diversity.

I'll fix your FT-DX9000! Just hope the parts are available. OH, you got hit by a Lightning strike? Gonna take ALOT of parts! And quite awhile to fix it. The KNOBS are probably still good, thats about it.

N4AUD
04-30-2008, 02:36 PM
In the W3SY for Prez Post da Pope suggested the time has come for a Universal Licensing Program



So what do you folks think, eliminating CW managed to get more folks on HF, wouldn't universal licensing get more mikes in the hands of the needy?

I thought it was spelled "stoopid"....