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http://www.nysun.com/news/food-crisis-eclipsing-climate-change
73
George
K3UD
KG4JYD
04-25-2008, 01:21 PM
Corn / ethanol is NOT currently a viable alternative to substitute for petroleum/gasoline.
1 - it takes more energy to produce than is gained
2 - it reduces MPGs by as much as 27%
3 - it will have a significant affect on our food supply; corn is a staple
Yeah.... this would be a much better R&D project:
http://discovermagazine.com/2006/apr/anything-oil
Only idiots will think biofuels are the right way to go.
We need real alternative energy. We also need more energy efficiency and smarter use of energy.
The bio fuel mandate is killing the economy. It is not cost effective, does not improve fuel mileage (in fact it's worse) and is driving up the cost of lots of things. Farmers who used to grow certain crops have switched to corn for bio fuel because of the subsidies. That is driving up the cost of everything from hay for livestock to wheat etc.
The environmentalists are screwing us with the help of Congress. Open up the vast oil fields that will allow us to use gasoline for hundreds of years and knock off the green fuels crap. It's bogus.
The bio fuel mandate is killing the economy. It is not cost effective, does not improve fuel mileage (in fact it's worse) and is driving up the cost of lots of things. Farmers who used to grow certain crops have switched to corn for bio fuel because of the subsidies. That is driving up the cost of everything from hay for livestock to wheat etc.
The environmentalists are screwing us with the help of Congress. Open up the vast oil fields that will allow us to use gasoline for hundreds of years and knock off the green fuels crap. It's bogus.
Succinct, Direct, and To The Point. I couldn't have said it better myself.
w5klb
04-25-2008, 01:49 PM
3 - it will have a significant affect on our food supply; corn is a staple
What ya mean, "it will have"? It's having an effect right now! Farmers are growing "bio fuels" instead of growing wheat and other food staples. Food shortages may be coming in the not too distant future.
Check wih enviro-Nazis, Al Gore, if you can find him, maybe he has the answer.
http://www.nysun.com/news/food-crisis-eclipsing-climate-change
kc9jwa
04-25-2008, 02:46 PM
I honestly think its comin soon, i think theres going to be a drepression , i know its mnay years ago maybe decades but look how ba dit is, next will be that or who knows the end of da world. Also hehe food is fuel, hmm wonder if our food will gas up and leave. Sorry i had a bad morning hubbys on a trip sleep sux, and had use different repeater phone died what is it friday the 13.
KD6NIG
04-25-2008, 03:09 PM
I honestly think its comin soon, i think theres going to be a drepression , i know its mnay years ago maybe decades but look how ba dit is, next will be that or who knows the end of da world. Also hehe food is fuel, hmm wonder if our food will gas up and leave. Sorry i had a bad morning hubbys on a trip sleep sux, and had use different repeater phone died what is it friday the 13.
The president seems to think along the same lines.
I think we're already in the depression, personally, and so do many others.
I don't think he'll admit it till about 5 minutes before the inaguration ceremony is about to begin.
"Here you go, have fun sorting out this mess, I'm outta here!"
KB9BVN
04-25-2008, 03:13 PM
Only idiots will think biofuels are the right way to go.
We need real alternative energy. We also need more energy efficiency and smarter use of energy.
We need safe nukes.
KB9BVN
04-25-2008, 03:14 PM
The bio fuel mandate is killing the economy. It is not cost effective, does not improve fuel mileage (in fact it's worse) and is driving up the cost of lots of things. Farmers who used to grow certain crops have switched to corn for bio fuel because of the subsidies. That is driving up the cost of everything from hay for livestock to wheat etc.
The environmentalists are screwing us with the help of Congress. Open up the vast oil fields that will allow us to use gasoline for hundreds of years and knock off the green fuels crap. It's bogus.
More importantly...bourbon prices and whiskey prices are bound to go way up. We can't have that. It'll mean civil war.
More businesses need to adopt the "mobile office" mindset and embrace the use of telecommuting technologies...encourage, rather than DIScourage the practice. The potential fuel savings are enormous and I wouldn't be surprised if someone doesn't attempt to get such a measure passed it into law, if for nothing else than a stopgap conservation measure.
If I lived a tad closer to where I worked, I would be mountain-biking (rather than motorcycling) to work every day.
More importantly...bourbon prices and whiskey prices are bound to go way up. We can't have that. It'll mean civil war.
Distill your own, from corn and rye you grow in your back yard or in a hydroponics garden.
KB9YCO
04-25-2008, 03:43 PM
Here's a possible solution, but of course all the drug paranoia crazed types that don't know the difference between one that gets you high and one that makes rope will never allow it (mostly the DEA and their 'associates' that have brainwashed the masses to such a point that people are scared of a non-psychoactive plant, probably a number of 'business' agendas at play there also.) There are also the companies that make big cash from oil, and other 'traditional' or 'contemporary' energy and think that all energy solutions should flow through them and anyone even considering individual choices for energy has to be some kind of a nut.
Why not a yearly renewable source that takes very little from the soil and that can literally be grown in ANY part of the world? It's also a huge solution to the production of paper and logging issues since hemp is renewable year after year as opposed to logging which, while it can be done responsibly take much longer and is harder on the soil. The same goes for cotton which takes a lot out of the soil as well.
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Hemp car was an alternative-fuel project car that utilized hemp biodiesel for fuel. Industrial hemp would be an economical fuel if hemp were legal to cultivate in the United States. Industrial hemp has no psychoactive properties and is not a drug. Hemp Car demonstrates the concept of hemp fuels on a national level and promotes the reformation of current law...
The car generated publicity, emphasizing the utility of industrial hemp to modern society. We provided the public with information about biofuels, hemp, their uses, and current American laws. We established a world distance record for a vehicle utilizing hemp for fuel: 10,000 miles... (http://www.hempcar.org/manifesto.html)
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Pollution: Hemp Versus Petrol (http://www.hempcar.org/petvshemp.shtml)
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Biolfuel Facts (http://www.hempcar.org/biofacts.shtml)
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The DEA hemp ban:
...the future potential of hemp seems boundless, but dangerous obstacles lie ahead. The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) is currently working to make many hemp products illegal, including nutritional supplements and hair and skin care products. The DEA wants to ban any hemp product that is ingested or applied topically.
Since hemp products contain naturally occurring trace amounts of THC -- the main psychoactive ingredient found in marijuana -- the DEA says hemp products must be outlawed because they are confounding the federal drug testing programs. For the record, hemp products do not cause a psychoactive "high." Similarly, eating poppy seeds does not have the same effect on a person that consuming heroin does, yet consumers of poppy seeds sometimes test positive for opiates. (http://www.hempcar.org/hempban.shtml)
I'm sure there will be the usual 'hippy' comments, jokes, and all the rest of the nonsense that goes along with any mention of hemp, but this is a serious possibility that is completely ignored by all the paranoid anti-drug zealots (and pro-big business) that don't realize or care about the huge differences between something that can produce paper, fiber, fuel, and food and something that gives you a little buzz. Sad, sad, sad...
Distill your own, from corn and rye you grow in your back yard or in a hydroponics garden.
From the Wall Street Journal... Better Stock Up.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120881517227532621.html
73
George
K3UD
n4sva
04-25-2008, 04:00 PM
Wouldn't breathing the exhaust fumes from a hemp powered car cause further food shortage problems for the general public?
I mean, think of all those people coming down with the munchies.:D
KB9YCO
04-25-2008, 04:18 PM
Wouldn't breathing the exhaust fumes from a hemp powered car cause further food shortage problems for the general public?
I mean, think of all those people coming down with the munchies.:D
I understand that you're kidding, but you're hitting on the real problem, the misconception that hemp contains enough THC to get high off of and all the inherent paranoia surrounding the issue.
If everyone starts using hemp fuel will it smell like bong smoke everywhere? ;)
KD0DKI
04-25-2008, 04:24 PM
I though you got paranoid after smoking the stuff?
We need to tap the un used energy of the mind, plug your car in to your brain and run run run. We only use 10% of our brains right?
I though you got paranoid after smoking the stuff?
We need to tap the un used energy of the mind, plug your car in to your brain and run run run. We only use 10% of our brains right?
Some people's cars wouldn't get too far with that particular approach...
kc9jwa
04-25-2008, 04:52 PM
I just hope if this is the depression already, that people might want to start buyin lots of can goods, anything to kepp it goin long as we could in case it startsoon i tell you one thing food is high, anymore 200bucks aint enough for even two people to live on for a month or even two weeks,Best thing for alot of people to do is gas up dont use it inless you have to or go out once in awhile just do somethin with family freinds i defintally am trying. Just hope w eall have time to gear up, think smart buy and when it really hits be ready, for some move where maybe some state is a little longer or just do what humans do . :)
Only idiots will think biofuels are the right way to go.
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Now leave Bush and his pals out of this :eek: :rolleyes: :D
Oh, I forgot E85 was not Bush's ID but GM. Way to go GM!!!
More businesses need to adopt the "mobile office" mindset and embrace the use of telecommuting technologies...encourage, rather than DIScourage the practice. The potential fuel savings are enormous and I wouldn't be surprised if someone doesn't attempt to get such a measure passed it into law, if for nothing else than a stopgap conservation measure.
If I lived a tad closer to where I worked, I would be mountain-biking (rather than motorcycling) to work every day.
I would love to telecommute every day, and I'm sure the office would save a LOT of money... but as it is it's all about "face time" and people here need to grab you at a moment's notice to attend some silly meeting or talk about something.
So for me, at least, telecommuting is going to be 1x/week.
But, I take the bus so it's not like I burn up that much fuel going to work anyway.
KB9BVN
04-25-2008, 07:58 PM
I just hope if this is the depression already, that people might want to start buyin lots of can goods, anything to kepp it goin long as we could in case it startsoon i tell you one thing food is high, anymore 200bucks aint enough for even two people to live on for a month or even two weeks,Best thing for alot of people to do is gas up dont use it inless you have to or go out once in awhile just do somethin with family freinds i defintally am trying. Just hope w eall have time to gear up, think smart buy and when it really hits be ready, for some move where maybe some state is a little longer or just do what humans do . :)
That's why we plant a decent garden every summer. We're still eating the stuff I grew last year. Green Peppers are a buck a piece at Kroger....YIKES.
Time to bring back the victory gardens I see...
W3MIV
04-25-2008, 08:54 PM
That's why we plant a decent garden every summer. We're still eating the stuff I grew last year. Green Peppers are a buck a piece at Kroger....YIKES.
Use the orange, red or yellow peppers, and you will learn to appreciate the buck price.
Time for a win-win.
Eat beens, run the car on methane
Time for a win-win.
Eat beens, run the car on methane
Do you remember the National Lampoon issue from 1977 dealing with the TF problem?
It seemed Terminal Flatulence was an issue at the time, but they had a new TF machine that was a hybrid catalytic converter/compressor that offered hope for that awful condition.:D
TF, it's nothing to sniff at. :eek:
More businesses need to adopt the "mobile office" mindset and embrace the use of telecommuting technologies...encourage, rather than DIScourage the practice. The potential fuel savings are enormous and I wouldn't be surprised if someone doesn't attempt to get such a measure passed it into law, if for nothing else than a stopgap conservation measure.
If I lived a tad closer to where I worked, I would be mountain-biking (rather than motorcycling) to work every day.
I've been telecommuting 100% for over a year now. I like it. It easily saves me several hundred dollars a month!
Can you spell, VPN? :)
I've been telecommuting 100% for over a year now. I like it. It easily saves me several hundred dollars a month!
Can you spell, VPN? :)
No wonder your so damned disconnected from what's happening in the world.
You need to get out more and experience life there Steve.
N4VGB
04-25-2008, 09:47 PM
No wonder your so damned disconnected from what's happening in the world.
You need to get out more and experience life there Steve.
Scorn or jealousy? :rolleyes:
No wonder your so damned disconnected from what's happening in the world.
You need to get out more and experience life there Steve.
I've already experienced 21 years as a federal employee, and 10 years as a civilian employee -- all dealing with people.
I've had my fill of office politics, as well federal government politics as a contractor dealing with regional and national level public safety telecommunications interoperability as a program manager for the NIJ under the DoJ.
Been there -- done that.
Oh, I lived on the economy in Italy for over a year to boot. Again, been there -- done that.
I'm tired of playing stupid games, and really enjoy my home office and my view of 6,000 foot Pioneer Peak out my office window.
Life in America is all about choices, and it's GRAND!
Toodles.
kc9jwa
04-26-2008, 04:24 PM
That's why we plant a decent garden every summer. We're still eating the stuff I grew last year. Green Peppers are a buck a piece at Kroger....YIKES.
Sweet defintally a smart way to go, just think if i lived in chicago wher eits very expensive i dont think any of us could afford anthing, we be like cavemen. Yip bikes, motercycles, atvs, go carts, hehe use em all its cheaper.:D:D
Scorn or jealousy? :rolleyes:
Neither, pity.:D
Life in America is all about choices, and it's GRAND!
Toodles? You sure you're not gay?
Life EVERYWHERE is about choices there Stevie. The US has no monopoly on that.
And it seems these days you in the grand ol USA have fewer than everyone else.
As far as choices go I'm in a better place than you are, 27 countries I can just hop on a train and visit in under 15 hours. Wider selection of foods and spirits. Wider selection of weather. Better selection of cars.
Hell Steve, I can't think of one thing that I could count as an advantage to living in the US. My taxes are even less here!
But if your happy limiting yourself...
N4VGB
04-26-2008, 05:19 PM
Neither, pity.:D
Looks like you'd do your part for England and accomplish your UNIX Administrator duties via telecommuting also? :)
Looks like you'd do your part for England and accomplish your UNIX Administrator duties via telecommuting also? :)
Of course I wouldn't turn down a telecommute position, had one in Boston 3 days of my 5 and it was pretty good. But I prefer actually taking my 5 miles a day walking tour of London to and from the office. Keeps me healthy and sharp.
N4VGB
04-26-2008, 05:44 PM
Keeps me healthy and sharp.
I don't know about your health but the second part of that statement isn't working so well. :D
I don't know about your health but the second part of that statement isn't working so well. :D
That must make you positively dull. :rolleyes:
N4VGB
04-26-2008, 06:04 PM
That must make you positively dull. :rolleyes:
Hear the horns and baying of the hounds there foxy, time to run for your life. :p
Hear the horns and baying of the hounds there foxy, time to run for your life. :p
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From what? You and the mouth breather brigade?
Bring it on Jethro, drooling old men with mental disabilities aren't a threat to me in any way shape or form.
N4VGB
04-26-2008, 06:33 PM
Bring it on Jethro, drooling old men with mental disabilities aren't a threat to me in any way shape or form.
That's it! I'm looking for a Mexican IT guy to put on a plane to London asap, who'll work for half your pay. You're doomed! :p
Toodles? You sure you're not gay?
Life EVERYWHERE is about choices there Stevie. The US has no monopoly on that.
And it seems these days you in the grand ol USA have fewer than everyone else.
As far as choices go I'm in a better place than you are, 27 countries I can just hop on a train and visit in under 15 hours. Wider selection of foods and spirits. Wider selection of weather. Better selection of cars.
Hell Steve, I can't think of one thing that I could count as an advantage to living in the US. My taxes are even less here!
But if your happy limiting yourself...
Whatever floats your boat. You make your bed; you lie in it.
I like my happy place, even after our Global Warming caused 18-inch snowstorm yesterday, North Dakota's snowstorm today, Seattle's snowstorm two weeks ago, spring snow and rain storms causing widespread late crop planting across the country, etc. All caused by global warming... ;)
My corner of the world is peaceful, spacious, and presently as white and pure as driven snow-- for it is that -- for awhile.
BTW, "toodles" is my ironic parody on QRZ foolishness. It's my QRZ trademark. My on-the-air trademark is "Not in but around Palmer, Alaska."
What's yours?
Toodles.
KC4HGH
04-26-2008, 08:31 PM
...tired of readin' 'em. Corn & other staples are poor makin's for fuel alcohol...check this link:
http://bioenergy.ornl.gov/papers/misc/switgrs.html
kc7jty
04-27-2008, 09:09 AM
"Do You Want To Eat Or Put Fuel Into Your Vehicle?"
I'd rather see the government pay mega corporations $billions not to grow food.
N4VGB
04-27-2008, 10:12 PM
"Do You Want To Eat Or Put Fuel Into Your Vehicle?"
I'd rather see the government pay mega corporations $billions not to grow food.
The old "soil bank" again? I had one uncle that cashed in on that one for years. Told me the GivMint paid him more yearly to not plant his 700 acres than he'd ever earned in net profit from any crop on it. Not exactly the most logical program the gov. ever hatched!? :rolleyes:
The old "soil bank" again? I had one uncle that cashed in on that one for years. Told me the GivMint paid him more yearly to not plant his 700 acres than he'd ever earned in net profit from any crop on it. Not exactly the most logical program the gov. ever hatched!? :rolleyes:
Hate to say it, but GivMint farming interference ruined our Nation's agrarian lifestyle for so many hardworking Americans. What a shame...
Thankfully, my family still has a 1000-acre farm in southwest Wisconsin. Hopefully, it'll stay that way for awhile.
I fondly remember my days on-the-farm quite well. Wonderful experiences with the land, animals, neighbors, and the care of all. Great experiences surrounding life and death, happiness and sadness.
kc7jty
04-28-2008, 02:24 AM
Not exactly the most logical program the gov. ever hatched!? :rolleyes:
Very logical if you understand the you grease my palm, I'll grease yours doctrine.
>>Do You Want To Eat Or Put Fuel Into Your Vehicle?<<
Of COURSE!
Cortland
KA5S
W8EJO
04-28-2008, 12:32 PM
Only idiots will think biofuels are the right way to go.
We need real alternative energy. We also need more energy efficiency and smarter use of energy.
"Real alternative energy" that will impact us in any meaningful way (hydrogen, efficient ethanol, efficient solar) is decades in the future. In the mean time we need to stop deluding ourselves & stop listening to the Eco-nuts before they kill us all with their lunacy.
Urge your congressmen & senators & governors to:
1: Pass legislation that will allow oil production exploration & drilling in the U.S.
2) Pass legislation that will fast track refineries in the U.S.
3) Pass legislation that will fast track nuke plants in the U.S.
4) End boutique summer gas.
Between ANWAR & the Florida Straits we have 125 billion barrels of oil that is being kept off the market by government/enviro suicide pacts. 125 billion barrels is over 30 years worth of oil for the U.S.!
Construction of the last nuke plant (Watts Barr) began in 1973! If we had been actively building nuke plants for the last 35 years instead of listening to the hysterical traitor Jane Fonda, nuclear electric generation would have taken much pressure off of oil demand.