View Full Version : More from the hate the troops gang.
w2amr
04-25-2008, 09:06 AM
Another disgrace
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24302814/
wa8rti
04-25-2008, 02:17 PM
Are you implying that the MSNBC hates the troops? I see it as trying to get the VA to admit to the truth and get help for Gulf War veterans. How does forcing the VA to fess-up mean hating the troops? Please explain. Sweeping such things under the rug only adds to the fact that if anyone hates the troops, it is this administration. By trying to hiding things like the conditions at Walter Reed and high suicide rates, the administration shows that it is concealing the fact there is more cost to this war than the combat deaths and record spending that are known. When the facts come out, some scapegoat is found to take the fall. The fault is never at the top of the command chain that ends in the Oval Office.
I agree it's yet another disgrace, but how is it somehow related to "hate the troops"?
I agree it's yet another disgrace, but how is it somehow related to "hate the troops"?
You really don't know, do you.:eek:
You really don't know, do you.:eek:
If I did, I wouldn't have asked.
w2amr
04-25-2008, 09:15 PM
I agree it's yet another disgrace, but how is it somehow related to "hate the troops"?
Clueless, totally clueless
N4VGB
04-25-2008, 10:07 PM
Clueless, totally clueless
It's been known for many years that some men never recover from combat experience. The post was senseless and meaningless to begin with, and if those numbers were true, then I'd surely know of at least one in my area and I currently know of none.
It is indeed you who have shown no regard for our troops by using this in a political post when it is not a political matter at all.
w2amr
04-25-2008, 10:13 PM
It's been known for many years that some men never recover from combat experience. The post was senseless and meaningless to begin with, and if those numbers were true, then I'd surely know of at least one in my area and I currently know of none.
It is indeed you who have shown no regard for our troops by using this in a political post when it is not a political matter at all.
And who is in charge of the VA genius? And who appointed that person? Take your time, this is a tough one.
The story is not true because you don't personally know anyone. Good Lord.
wa8rti
04-25-2008, 11:36 PM
To AMR: When you post a title and a link and then run, it can be hard to discern as to which side you are blaming (the press or the VA). The post and run method is more the style a certain ring winger who visits here often. Your last post most pretty well answers the question that was left unanswered by the original item. Sorry for being dense.:D
w6ire
04-25-2008, 11:37 PM
And who is in charge of the VA genius?
MSNBC?.......
N4VGB
04-25-2008, 11:39 PM
And who is in charge of the VA genius? And who appointed that person? Take your time, this is a tough one.
The story is not true because you don't personally know anyone. Good Lord.
12,000 claimed suicides yearly from the current Gulf War veterans is a big number. 12,000 suicides yearly of all veterans probably wouldn't represent a much higher percentage than the national average of all the U.S. It's easy to manipulate raw numbers. I think the suicide rate in the U.S. is something like 100 per day now or in that range?
wa8rti
04-25-2008, 11:52 PM
If you Google the topic of suicide you will find the annual rate in the US to be about 11 per 100,000 population or 110 per million. Or in a population of about 300 million, a total of about 33,300. Given the fact that a relatively small percent of the population served in the the Gulf, 12000 would be a very high rate. Some of the responders here are like the Administration. Deny, deny, deny and finally you get yourself and others to believe that yours is the only truth.
w2amr
04-26-2008, 12:30 AM
To AMR: When you post a title and a link and then run, it can be hard to discern as to which side you are blaming (the press or the VA). The post and run method is more the style a certain ring winger who visits here often. Your last post most pretty well answers the question that was left unanswered by the original item. Sorry for being dense.:D
No problem, I'm pretty dense from time to time. It's not an exclusive club. :D
You're right though, I should have made my position a bit more clear.
The Army sends out form letters to families of returning combat soldiers. It says to keep an eye on them for unusual or risky behavior. They warn about driving, motorcycle riding, and extreme sports as examples where they may not exercise prudent behavior. They said this is a result of surviving combat and is fairly common. They just want to avoid having soldiers get hurt or killed doing something stupid when they get home.
KD0DKI
04-26-2008, 02:51 PM
My cousin's son Jason Wright was killed in Iraq on December 8, 2005. Jason was 19 years old a member of 101st Air Assault. Christmas is no longer a time of joy for his imidiate family. In 2006 I was able to visit Jasons resting place, dam he was a great kid.
The fact that these brave young men and women are coming home and NOT being cared for is the biggest dishonor to them I can think of.
By saying soldiers are not coming home and taking their own lives is a dishonor to these kids who have given their mental health for their country.
We need to be sure the soldiers coming home get the best care possible, part of that care can come from everyone by at least shaking their hand and saying Thank You.
There is additional support from the American Leigon and VFW for these soldiers, all you have to do is get them to a club for a beer and let them talk someone who has been there. They don't have to join the club to sit down and talk to some of the guys who have been through what they are going through. Many of the clubs have support groups, after a couple beers these soldiers start to talk and begin the decompression process.
Soldiers are trained to be tough and to ignore pain of all kinds, when they get home is when they have to deal with the issue.
We should have a "Take a Soldier to a Vets Club Day"!
KD0DKI Sam
kc7jty
04-27-2008, 09:20 AM
why would someone who is proud for serving their country want to take their own life?
w2amr
04-27-2008, 09:40 AM
why would someone who is proud for serving their country want to take their own life?
#1 post in this thread.
w2amr
04-27-2008, 10:33 PM
It might have been a good idea to edit some of the language before you posted that.
N4VGB
04-27-2008, 11:03 PM
It might have been a good idea to edit some of the language before you posted that.
I thought about it but it's pretty mild compared to some on here. Meant as a joke obviously but if you give it some thought, might have substance? What would the outcome of sending an army of cranky older guys into war be?
Another disgrace
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24302814/
Here's your chance, each summer, to do something for the troops.
http://www.freedomalliance.org/view_article.php?a_id=714
w2amr
04-28-2008, 08:59 PM
Here's your chance, each summer, to do something for the troops.
http://www.freedomalliance.org/view_article.php?a_id=714
Wow, Mann Coulter will be there, sign me up. Just to see that apple bobbing up and down in person will be worth the price. Hubba hubba.