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KB9YCO
04-24-2008, 04:16 PM
I'm not one to call for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq, our administration created a majority of that mess and as a country we have a duty to leave it in some kind of stable condition (if possible). But, I really have to wonder what the price of the 'distraction' of the war in Iraq has cost on the war in Afghanistan (that we don't seem to hear about much these days, but is still going on.) Seems to me that we (the collective we as we are represented by our government, unfortunately sometimes) have dropped the ball and lost focus on what was really the 'central front' on the war on terror before others decided to follow their various agendas. Most people, and most politicians from both parties, were united on 'striking back' against the Taliban in Afghanistan, seems like the problems started with Iraq. I see that we've spent 4 billion in Afghanistan in the last 3 years, but it doesn't seem like most of the focus has been on that 'front' so much as it's been on Iraq. So, is this the price of losing focus on what was really related to 9-11? Is it a separate issue?


Insurgent violence in Afghanistan could reach record levels this year as militants increasingly target police and development projects, a top U.S. general said Thursday.

Maj. Gen. Jeffrey J. Schloesser, who commands U.S. forces in the country, said violence is increasing as insurgents pour into Afghanistan from neighboring Pakistan.

Violence "may well reach a higher level than it did in 2007," the bloodiest since the ouster of the Taliban regime in 2001, Schloesser said.

More than 8,000 people, mostly militants, were killed in insurgency-related violence last year, according to the United Nations.

Militants afraid to attack coalition forces are instead directing violence against civilians, police and security forces protecting development projects, he said.

"They are going for what is an easier target," said Schloesser, who heads the 101st Airborne Division. He took up his command in Afghanistan on April 10.

More than 900 policemen were killed last year. More vulnerable than the better-trained and equipped national army, police have made up the majority of at least 159 security forces killed this year — with at least 72 police officers killed in April alone, according to an Associated Press tally.

The high death toll comes despite some $4 billion spent by the United States to train and equip police in the last three years. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080424/ap_on_re_as/afghan_insurgency&printer=1;_ylt=AghgSM7S7iQAFq5OZ3BT4Ln9xg8F)

KB9YCO
04-25-2008, 03:41 AM
Hmm, I guess no one wants to bite on this one, a couple of votes but that's all. Are some people afraid of facts? Was it really a good idea to take our eyes of the objective?

(I'll just do the linkbot action and bump it back to the top. That seems to be the cool thing to do these days!)

VOTE EARLY AND OFTEN!! And please, comment. Obviously, we are paying a number of prices for the Iraq war, but this may be one that comes back to bite us even more than others. (I thought that stamping out terrorism was the idea? How many 'terrorists' were there in Iraq before the invasion?)

K0RGR
04-25-2008, 03:49 AM
I think we should have made Afghanistan into another Turkey - a country full of moderate, well-fed and non-violent democratic Muslims.

Instead, we have a weak regime that is just a place-holder until we leave and the radicals take over again.

N4VGB
04-25-2008, 04:28 AM
I don't like polls where I can only vote once. The dead get no representation under these terms. :)

kc7jty
04-25-2008, 05:08 AM
There's no difference between Iraq and Afghanistan. They will eventually break us, and it will be exactly what we deserve.

KB9YCO
04-25-2008, 03:18 PM
I think we should have made Afghanistan into another Turkey - a country full of moderate, well-fed and non-violent democratic Muslims.

Instead, we have a weak regime that is just a place-holder until we leave and the radicals take over again.

I think that's part of it, of course people seem to forget that previous to this war Iraq was one of the more westernized countries of the middle east. Obviously Saddam was nuts, but that doesn't mean that the only solution to dealing with him was to invade and stir up every paranoid notion of what middle eastern extremists already imagined about America. It's too bad, granted we are still in Afghanistan and spending a ton of money, but I don't think it would've been the same if the focus would have remained on the people that actually attacked us as opposed to invading Iraq which had nothing to do with it.

I don't like polls where I can only vote once. The dead get no representation under these terms. :)

Hmm, you must be from Chicago, my old home area (far north suburbs anyway), but at least you voted. You're not dead yet.

There's no difference between Iraq and Afghanistan. They will eventually break us, and it will be exactly what we deserve.

I think the major difference is that we had a direct reason to seek out the terrorists in Afghanistan. We started making some difference there, then there was whole distraction of Iraq and now it seems like the bottom may be falling out on both. We are still in Afghanistan, and there was some progress being made there, but now it's to the point that it could go either way. I'm not one to advocate just pulling out, that would most certainly cause a worse situation in both cases, but I have to wonder what ultimately the solution to either situation will be (if there is one for a segment of people that don't want us there for any reason.)

kc7jty
04-28-2008, 05:13 AM
the so called terrorists are entirely of our own making.

N4VGB
04-28-2008, 05:28 AM
Hmm, you must be from Chicago, my old home area (far north suburbs anyway), but at least you voted. You're not dead yet.



I had a couple of extended stays in New Orleans in the past. One of those was during elections, it's a carnival atmosphere. Free food and booze everywhere. That's where I became familiar with "getting out the dead vote"! It's something that I've heard of before, even locally, but it seems to be a tradition in some areas and the number of dead voting can be surprising. :eek:

KB9YCO
04-28-2008, 02:51 PM
the so called terrorists are entirely of our own making.

Partially, maybe even largely in certain cases, but I wouldn't go so far as to say entirely. Our government didn't create extremists, but I will agree that many of our policies over the years in regard to getting involved in places that were not necessarily our business (it was probably all about "business") certainly contributed to the hatred of 'American imperialism' in the minds of some. (Isn't that what Obama's pastor got in trouble for saying?) But, I think it's a stretch to say that they are 'entirely of our own making', Islamic fundamentalists are not new, and it is a real threat to any country that values freedom of and from religion beyond just the US, the problem is where we are currently focusing our attention. Iraq was never a 'hotbed' of Islamic fundamentalism, losing the focus on who the actual threat is has probably caused more converts to that brand of extremism than it has to the concepts of freedom and democracy, sadly.