View Full Version : Stick a fork in her. She's done
I couldn't have said it better myself:
She needs a big influx of cash.
She needs a shocking change of fortune.
Both of which aren't going to happen.
Stick a fork in her. She's done.
I couldn't have said it better myself:
Both of which aren't going to happen.
Stick a fork in her. She's done.
That's part of the problem. People been stickin' forks at her for TOO long... :eek:
KB9BVN
04-23-2008, 01:08 PM
I wouldn't bet on that just yet....never underestimate the political luck and power of manipulation of a Clinton running for office.
I think the old girl still has a couple tricks up her pantsuit.
If she wins in Indiana (and it's 50/50 today) and shows well in NC....she'll have a legitimate case to make to the supers.
I won't vote for her, or Obama in November and I am not real thrilled with McCain...but right now I will just have to sleep at night knowing this year I will be a McCain democrat. The DNC has abandoned too many just like me. Making Howard Dean the chair was a big mistake.
Yes she won PA as expected by the margin expected but it was still not enough to change the count of delegates enough to help her.
I think he will continue to take the smaller states coming up as is his track record leaving him with the popular vote, the most states and the most delegates.
WB2WIK
04-23-2008, 04:56 PM
It appears no matter what happens between now and the DNC nobody will have enough delegates walking in to be nominated, so anything is possible.
All the delegates will need to consider only "who can beat McCain in November?" and that's really the only important question. There no sure answer, but the one with the best odds should be nominated.
WB2WIK/6
And the one with the best odds (still not good ones) may not be either Hitlary or Obama. Both are way too liberal for the majority of U S voters. The reality is that the big city, left wing, pro abortion, pro gay marriage, anti U S Military, anti Christ intellectuals (who lack anything resembling common sense) are still not of sufficient numbers to amass more votes than the majority of us God Fearing, gun loving (thanks for the complement Obama) "rural" Americans.
The question will be what third person the DNC focuses on if they have any hope of defeating McCain (who I will not vote for either). Gore? What a joke. Seriously, who else is out there. Better luck in 2012 dems.
KD6NIG
04-23-2008, 05:18 PM
And the one with the best odds (still not good ones) may not be either Hitlary or Obama. Both are way too liberal for the majority of U S voters. The reality is that the big city, left wing, pro abortion, pro gay marriage, anti U S Military, anti Christ intellectuals (who lack anything resembling common sense) are still not of sufficient numbers to amass more votes than the majority of us God Fearing, gun loving (thanks for the complement Obama) "rural" Americans.
The question will be what third person the DNC focuses on if they have any hope of defeating McCain (who I will not vote for either). Gore? What a joke. Seriously, who else is out there. Better luck in 2012 dems.
I'm personally of the idea that all THREE aren't worth it. I don't see anything that any of them bring to the table that doesn't tell me "4 more years of the same crud."
What bothers me is that in this great country of ours this is the best they could find for the highest office in the land. No wonder why people write in Mickey Mouse or Beavis or Butthead.
If someone with a good amount of money ran on the campaign similar to Brewsters Millions (ie, "None of the above") I think now, more than ever, they would have a chance of winning on that platform.
I've heard a lot of the older generation say they have never seen such a pathetic presentation of candidates in their lives. The more I hear it, the more I'm really starting to agree with them.
WB2WIK
04-23-2008, 05:18 PM
And the one with the best odds (still not good ones) may not be either Hitlary or Obama. Both are way too liberal for the majority of U S voters. The reality is that the big city, left wing, pro abortion, pro gay marriage, anti U S Military, anti Christ intellectuals (who lack anything resembling common sense) are still not of sufficient numbers to amass more votes than the majority of us God Fearing, gun loving (thanks for the complement Obama) "rural" Americans.
The question will be what third person the DNC focuses on if they have any hope of defeating McCain (who I will not vote for either). Gore? What a joke. Seriously, who else is out there. Better luck in 2012 dems.
::A write-in could win. My dog is educated, sincere, trustworthy, understanding and politically savvy. He knows if I don't give him a treat, he can still beg one of the kids or the XYL and odds are, he'll get it. You can see the wheels turning behind those big, brown eyes. He's also clean, neat and a very fast runner (42 mph), and tri-lingual (English, dog and cat). Pickles for President in '08!
Seriously it is almost unbelievable that no better candidate than this current crop has been successful in either major party. I'm not the oldest poster on qrz but I can remember Truman as President so that gives you some idea of my age. This is certainly the worst group of candidates I've seen.
K0RGR
04-23-2008, 05:31 PM
I suppose you've all heard the joke about 'electile dysfunction' - none of the candidates turn me on, either.
No, I think Ms. Clinton intends to play this out to the bitter end, and both candidates right now are competing to see who can get stomped by the Republican this time around. It may be an intelligent ploy - the bill for the Bush mis-administration is going to start coming due in the next few years, so the next president is going to get the blame for it. This could guarantee several generations of Democratic dominance. Sen. McCain could be the next Herbert Hoover, easily!
I will dutifully march to voting booth, and pull the lever for a Democrat, I guess, knowing that they will likely lose, and if they don't it may be worse.
Oh joy, oh joy...
It appears no matter what happens between now and the DNC nobody will have enough delegates walking in to be nominated, so anything is possible.
All the delegates will need to consider only "who can beat McCain in November?" and that's really the only important question. There no sure answer, but the one with the best odds should be nominated.
WB2WIK/6
I can't say that I am a supporter of Hillary Clinton but it seems that Hillary may be able carry the large industrial states with lots of electoral votes in the presidential election. Obama might have a lot of trouble in those states. Delegates aside, who can best bring in those states? The Republicans think that they can beat Obama but take a cautious approach to a challenge by Hillary.
Some of the exit polling from Pennsylvania show that Obama has some problems attracting white voters while Hillary is showing some problems with black voters. Who would have thought that could happen. On the other hand about 78% of US residents are white and about 22% are minority. It is all going weigh on turnout.
IMHO Hillary would probably have a good case to present to to the democratic delegation that she is the one that is electable. We still have to see if the Florida and Michigan primaries will be challenged in the courts.
73
George
K3UD
Still a long way to go
N4VGB
04-23-2008, 06:04 PM
up her pantsuit.
Thanks for the nightmare images that statement brings to mind! :eek:
The Clintons are just too slick and wiggly to ever count them as down and out. Money problems have always evaporated for them in the past. A 10 point win in PA was needed and that's what she got.
The Democrats have the attention of the nation at this time and that's a great advantage to them but they're not making very good use of that attention at this time.
K8YZK
04-23-2008, 06:23 PM
She is not done yet, and I think it will go to the DNC before it is determine who will be the choice. Then again she could always come out and say the Obama could be the VP and make everybody happy. Hey he would only be one heart beat away from President. Plus he would gain some experience and run after she is done in 8yrs.
It is getting interesting to say the least.
A gigantic problem with getting reasonable candidates is the fault of the party mechanisms themselves. You have to get so far up in the hierarchy (arse) of each party to even stand a chance of consideration for the upper echilon of offices, next to no new blood ever gets that far up that isn't already a purely party mouthpiece from square one. At that point, the party is so much more important to these sychophants that the people, and the country come in at least 2nd or 3rd, maybe lower. The wheels get greased and nothing changes.
KB9BVN
04-23-2008, 06:58 PM
And the one with the best odds (still not good ones) may not be either Hitlary or Obama. Both are way too liberal for the majority of U S voters. The reality is that the big city, left wing, pro abortion, pro gay marriage, anti U S Military, anti Christ intellectuals (who lack anything resembling common sense) are still not of sufficient numbers to amass more votes than the majority of us God Fearing, gun loving (thanks for the complement Obama) "rural" Americans.
The question will be what third person the DNC focuses on if they have any hope of defeating McCain (who I will not vote for either). Gore? What a joke. Seriously, who else is out there. Better luck in 2012 dems.
Enter Al Gore.
Enter Al Gore.
Al Gore was probably the most high profile politician to be denied the presidency. This was mostly a result of bad timing on his part.
In 1988 it looked like he would be a contender for the nominee of the Democratic party. He did well in Super Tuesday and then proceeded to spiral out of the running. Could he have beat Dukakis? Possibly, considering that he was a from a bible belt state.
In 1992 he thought about running but George H W Bush had a 75+% approval rating. This caused Gore to take a second look and decided to tend to his family (I think his son Albert was in a serious accident). In the mean time, we had a recession and Bush's approval rating went into the toilet. This allowed Bill Clinton to emerge. Clinton really had nothing to lose and it is probable the Gore would have knocked him out of the running early on in the primaries. In the end he got to to be VP.
In 2000 he received the most votes ever in a presidential election beating George W Bush in the popular vote. This was largely because of foul ups in Florida that forced the an appeal to the Supreme Court.
Could Gore have beaten John Kerry in 2004? I always wondered why the person who amassed the largest amount of votes in history did not enter the primaries for that election. Was it that the Democratic party was finished with Gore at that point or was Gore just tired of the politics?
As far as Presidential bids are concerned Al Gore may have been the unluckiest politician ever to have come so close but was probably a victim of circumstances as well as timing.
73
George
K3UD
WB2WIK
04-23-2008, 10:20 PM
Al Gore was busy inventing global warming.
Not sure if he applied for a patent on that or not, there may still be time for others to do so.
:p
kg6amw
04-23-2008, 10:34 PM
She's got bigger nuts than Obama. Obama is a sorry ass wimp.
WB2WIK
04-23-2008, 10:38 PM
I think the DNC is going to be very interesting.
Either candidate is pretty electable.
Obama's got his faults, but then when JFK announced his candidacy many decried he was too young, too Catholic, too lots of stuff.
He became the youngest and first Catholic President, by a very narrow margin.
"narrow margin"
hehehehehehehehehe
that opens up another can of worms.
I think the DNC is going to be very interesting.
Either candidate is pretty electable.
Obama's got his faults, but then when JFK announced his candidacy many decried he was too young, too Catholic, too lots of stuff.
He became the youngest and first Catholic President, by a very narrow margin.
Yes it was a narrow margin, courtesy of Richard Daley and the Chicago political machine. It was amazing how many votes he could "dig" up when needed. This was an election that should have been challenged as to voter fraud but Nixon would have no part of it. Quite an interesting piece of history.
73
George
K3UD
73
George
K3UD
She is not done yet, and I think it will go to the DNC before it is determine who will be the choice. Then again she could always come out and say the Obama could be the VP and make everybody happy. Hey he would only be one heart beat away from President. Plus he would gain some experience and run after she is done in 8yrs.
It is getting interesting to say the least.
Hillary has already floated out the "Obama for VP" nonsense before, and Obama said flat out no.
k4kyv
04-24-2008, 04:33 AM
The reality is that the big city, left wing, pro abortion, pro gay marriage, anti U S Military, anti Christ intellectuals
Haven't heard much talk about gay marriage so far this season. Funny, it was such a hot topic of debate during the 2004 campaign, but nothing much mentioned about it by any politician after the election.
Well, there's still school prayer and flag burning to keep the public's mind off the real issues, but haven't heard much about them, either, this round.
Nor much said about any real issues, but that might leave the impression that you indulge in thinking.
Of course, as a candidate, you don't want to leave the impression that you do much thinking. Someone might accuse you of being an "intellectual". Better to just feign ignorance and display pride in it.
n2ize
04-24-2008, 05:23 AM
Hillary has already floated out the "Obama for VP" nonsense before, and Obama said flat out no.
Obama should do it.he should run with Hillary as her VP. I think it would be a smash hit.
k4kyv
04-24-2008, 03:35 PM
No, they need a white male to balance the ticket.
Obama should do it.he should run with Hillary as her VP. I think it would be a smash hit.
I'd vote for McCain in that case.
k4kyv
04-24-2008, 03:53 PM
Originally Posted by WB2WIK
...when JFK announced his candidacy many decried he was too young, too Catholic, too lots of stuff.
He became the youngest and first Catholic President, by a very narrow margin.
Yes it was a narrow margin, courtesy of Richard Daley and the Chicago political machine. It was amazing how many votes he could "dig" up when needed. This was an election that should have been challenged as to voter fraud but Nixon would have no part of it. Quite an interesting piece of history.
That is true, but we just might owe our very existence on the outcome of that election. JFK maintained a cool head during the Cuban missile crisis and averted what has been described as better than a 50-50 chance of a nuclear exchange with the Soviets. Although Nixon was a shrewd politician, he was also known to be somewhat of a hothead.
I'd vote for McCain in that case.
You really need to look who McCain runs with because the likelihood of that heartbeat away is a little closer with him than is Obama.
I seriously doubt that he will pick Romney since the events in Texas have unfolded with the Mormon compound charges. It is sad that people have no idea of how to pick people on the issues and prefer to choose people from crap like that.
But for the Hillary haters out there, I would think that Obama picking her as a running mate would be their first choice on the ballot. It will minimize her power and effect on the US government. She will have more power as a regular senator than she will as the president of the senate. It will truly end her political career.
WB2WIK
04-24-2008, 04:42 PM
Allegedly this is from a Danish paper:
"We in Denmark cannot figure out why you are even
bothering to hold an election.
On one side, you have a bitch who is a lawyer,
married to a lawyer, or a lawyer who is married to
a bitch who is a lawyer.
On the other side, you have a true war hero married
to a woman with a huge chest who owns a beer
distributorship.
Is there a contest here?"
Talk about having perspective....... :)
73
George
K3UD
Talk about having perspective....... :)
73
George
K3UD
McCain has his own perspective on her image.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_Reports_of_angry_temper_false_0409.html
W4HAY
04-24-2008, 06:51 PM
So what?
Other than ensuring the Greatest Show on Earth will continue, does it matter that Hillary Clinton defeated Barack Obama Tuesday in Pennsylvania by nine-plus points? Barack Obama is the nominee.
No matter how many kicks the rest of us find in such famously fun primary states as Indiana and South Dakota, it's going to be McCain versus Obama in 2008.
I believe the cement set around the Clinton coffin last Friday. The Obama campaign announced it had received the support of former Sens. Sam Nunn of North Carolina and David Boren of Oklahoma...
...So be it. For modern Democrats, winning the White House always requires some sort of magic to get near 50%. For the Clintons, that bag is empty. The Democrats have a new magician. It's Obama.
The Democrats Have A Nominee (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120899521565139921.html?mod=todays_columnists)
N4VGB
04-24-2008, 07:21 PM
The Democrats Have A Nominee[/URL]
Sam Nunn endorses Obama!? :confused:
Not only endorsing Obama but a possible VP running mate!? :eek:
Yes sir Obama is the Bill Clinton of 2008 with possibly a bit of JFK/LBJ flavor thrown in to "balance" the ticket, all things to all people, America is going to fall for it again and richly deserves what it will get in return!!! :rolleyes:
K4GUN
04-24-2008, 07:46 PM
As a conservative (not a Republican), I was getting pretty depressed about the election this year. McCain is by far, my least favorite Republican. I really don't want to vote for him. About the only thing that could get me to vote for him is if he selects a solid conservative for veep and makes it clear that he will not be running for a second term. If the GOP has to go into 2012 defending what I view as his muddied version of conservatism, the party is really screwed.
So what is the idea situation for a conservative this year? If McCain doesn't select a conservative veep, its an Obama victory, but with conditions. Obama is already inexperienced and would likely be very handicapped by this. Add in a fractured party, loads of distrust, half the party faithful so heavily aligned with Clinton that they have no chance for appointment under Obama and things are looking better. As long as the GOP can hang on to the current levels in the house and Senate and I really think we can survive 4 years under Obama and be better in the long run.
Now, if McCain takes a solid conservative with him, so much the better. The Democrats will spend the entire summer explaining to the country why one candidate is not such a great choice. They will spend months doing McCain's job on the campaign trail. Meanwhile, McCain gets to look presidential and go to off-beat places to boost his stature in rural areas of states that will be critical in November. Its a great situation for the GOP.
The dark cloud of the nomination has been supplanted by the silver lining of the canibalism on the left. As a conservative, things could not look better under the circumstances. Sure I'd love to have a real conservative running, but since that didn't happen, this will work!
That is true, but we just might owe our very existence on the outcome of that election. JFK maintained a cool head during the Cuban missile crisis and averted what has been described as better than a 50-50 chance of a nuclear exchange with the Soviets. Although Nixon was a shrewd politician, he was also known to be somewhat of a hothead.
The missiles to Cuba most likely was a ploy to test the will of a new and untested president. That Nikita Krushchev was able to actually place IRBMs in Cuba says volumes about our intelligence efforts at that period of time. Another problem was that Kennedy backed off of the Bay Of Pigs invasion which probably led the Kremlin to believe that Kennedy was prone to indecision. I think that this incident encouraged Krushchev to think about putting a power presence almost at the border of the US.
Nixon was a Cold Warier as was Kennedy but the difference was the Nixon had much more experience in international affairs after serving as VP under Eisenhower and had somewhat of an relationship with Krushchev. We will never know whether or not Nixon could have defused this before it really got started, but I don't think that Krushchev would have tested Nixon, at least to the extent that Kennedy was tested. Kennedy was lucky in that he had all of our B-52 bombers in the air around the clock and nothing happened. Imagine what could have happened if we inadvertently dropped an atomic weapon on Cuba or on the the Soviet fleet.
I was about 12 years old when this was happening and I member the air raid siren test every night at 7PM and the air raid drills and the film Duck and Cover (I have it downloaded and watch it every once in awhile) at school. When we watched TV we saw the maps on the TV that showed probable targets, of which Philadelphia was one. As was New York, Boston, Washington, and Baltimore. There was a real fear of nuclear warfare and people were scared.
73
George
K3UD
W4HAY
04-27-2008, 03:46 PM
FWIW, Kiplinger (http://www.kiplinger.com/businessresource/index.html?kipcookie=no) is giving Obama 3:1 odds on winning the nomination...
(NOTE: parts of this site are subscriber-only.)
Hold on, a little LIB voter fraud might just help her out.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/hillary-group-caught-suppressing-vote-again/print
Do what it takes, Hill...
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/08/superdelegate-for-sale-hillary-plays-the-white-card/?print=1
Hill and the nuke option??
http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/05/hillary_clintons_nuclear_optio.html
K4GUN
05-09-2008, 09:36 PM
Hill and the nuke option??
http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/05/hillary_clintons_nuclear_optio.html
Oh how I love irony. The Clintons have done this kind of thing for years. It should surprise nobody.
I'm just loving this election season. I can't stand McCain, but with the Democrats doing what they are doing, it makes me think that there might in fact be a god and he's got a great sense of humor.
Oh make no mistake, there IS A GOD and he is laughing his butt off.
Would give you the link but the song does not --------well let's just say I don't want to pull a Steve. Been playing this on 98.9 The Rock and it had me rolling.
PROOF he has a sense of humor
(By John R Butler)
O sinner do not stray from the straight and narrow way
For the Lord is surely watching what you do
If you approach the Devil's den Turn 'round don't enter in
Lest the hand of the Almighty fall on you
He'll #### you up
Yes, God will #### you up
If you dare to disobey his stern command
He'll #### you up
Don't you know he'll #### you up
So you better do some prayin' while you can
Long ago a man Lot had a wife he thought was hot
But she could not stop her black and sinful ways
You know it was her own damn fault
When God turned that bitch to salt
That's the way he used to work back in those days
He ####ed 'em up
He really ####ed 'em up
When the people went and turned their backs on him
He can #### you up
No #### he'll #### you up
Just like he ####ed the people of back then
I used to have a friend named Ray who walked that evil way
He cursed and drank and broke his neighbor's fence
You know Ray was full aware
That some sheep were over there
And he knew them in the Biblical sense
God ####ed him up
He went and ####ed Ray up
Went and paid him back for all his wicked sins
He ####ed him up
####ed that boy completely up
Now he's married to a Presbyterian
k7kwh
05-09-2008, 11:16 PM
It's going to be up to Obama to CAREFULLY select a running mate, as he has to get the Democratic faithful to the polls en masse, as we all know The Shrub and the RNC are already performing their strategy (read: Which state's ballot box will they pre-stuff this election?).
2000: Florida
2004: Ohio
2008: Hmmm.............
K7KWH
...Vote Early..........Vote often!
Anyone want to place a bet it will be Ted Kennedy? Ted took the lead on sucking up to Obama early on --- he either wants the VP slot or be the power behind the thrown
N4VGB
05-10-2008, 12:28 AM
Everybody seems to have forgotten Florida and Michigan!!! Hillary is a long way from being done in this deal. No fat lady is singing yet. I wouldn't count a Clinton as "out" until I personally saw the lid on their coffin closed. :cool:
AE6IP
05-10-2008, 12:57 AM
Anyone want to place a bet it will be Ted Kennedy? Ted took the lead on sucking up to Obama early on --- he either wants the VP slot or be the power behind the thrown
You're going to lose that bet. Nobody wants Teddy anywhere close to real power ever.
AE6IP
05-10-2008, 12:58 AM
Everybody seems to have forgotten Florida and Michigan!!! Hillary is a long way from being done in this deal. No fat lady is singing yet. I wouldn't count a Clinton as "out" until I personally saw the lid on their coffin closed. :cool:
"Dead woman walking"
K4GUN
05-10-2008, 01:19 PM
It's going to be up to Obama to CAREFULLY select a running mate, as he has to get the Democratic faithful to the polls en masse, as we all know The Shrub and the RNC are already performing their strategy (read: Which state's ballot box will they pre-stuff this election?).
2000: Florida
2004: Ohio
2008: Hmmm.............
K7KWH
...Vote Early..........Vote often!
I'll place my bets on Florida and Michigan. LOL. The Clintons have a great head start in both places!
W4HAY
05-10-2008, 01:25 PM
This is an amazing story. The Democratic Party has a winner. It has a nominee. You know this because he has the most votes and the most elected delegates, and there's no way, mathematically, his opponent can get past him. Even after the worst two weeks of his campaign, he blew past her by 14 in North Carolina and came within two in Indiana...
...The Democratic Party can't celebrate the triumph of Barack Obama because the Democratic Party is busy having a breakdown. You could call it a breakdown over the issues of race and gender, but its real source is simply Hillary Clinton. Whose entire campaign at this point is about exploiting race and gender...
Damsel of Distress (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121027865275678423.html?mod=todays_columnists)
Everybody seems to have forgotten Florida and Michigan!!! Hillary is a long way from being done in this deal. No fat lady is singing yet. I wouldn't count a Clinton as "out" until I personally saw the lid on their coffin closed. :cool:
Hillary on FL and MI is the height of hypocrisy:
Finally, there's the stubborn little fact that Clinton completely opposed recognizing Michigan and Florida until after the primaries--i.e., when she realized she might need their delegates to win the nomination. "It's clear that this election they're having [in Michigan] is not going to count for anything," she said during an interview with New Hampshire Public Radio in October 2007. She wasn't alone. Two months earlier, Clinton adviser Harold Ickes actually voted to strip the rogue states of their delegates as a member of the DNC's Rules and Bylaws committee--"to prevent the gaming of the system," he said. Later than fall, Patti Solis Doyle, then Clinton's campaign manager, pledged not to compete in either contest--and was unequivocal as well. "We believe Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina play a unique and special role in the nominating process... and the DNC's rules and its calendar provide the necessary structure to respect and honor that role," she said. "Thus, we will... adhere to the DNC-approved nominating calendar." And when Michigan pushed for an early vote in 2004, then-DNC chairman--and current Clinton aide--Terry McAuliffe put his foot down. "If I allow you to do that, the whole system collapses," McAuliffe said (at least according to his memoir)."The closest [Michigan's delegates will] get to Boston will be watching it on television. I will not let you break this entire nominating process for one state. The rules are the rules." But when Clinton "won" Michigan on Jan. 15--and presumably caught a glimpse of the polling that showed her well ahead in Florida--she quickly changed her tune. "I believe our nominee will need the enthusiastic support of Democrats in these states to win the general election," she said on Jan. 25. "And so I will ask my Democratic convention delegates to support seating the delegations from Florida and Michigan." Ickes, Solis Doyle and McAuliffe immediately fell in line.
Why Florida and Michigan won't matter in the end. (http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/05/08/why-florida-and-michigan-won-t-matter-in-the-end.aspx)
Dilmus can't swim? BWAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAA! :D:D:p
n2ize
05-10-2008, 06:22 PM
Hillary is nothing great. But what is great about Obama. What is there for liberals and progressives to admire about him ?
1) He has no health care plan.
2) His stock answers to most serious questions are, "read my books", "visit my website", "I gave a speech".
3) He is going to maintain the Iraq was as well as maintain military bases and strike forces throughout the middle east.
4) He talks a lot of talk about making great changes and bringing the world together but has no viable plan.
5) He considers Reagan and Bush Sr. to be great visionaries whom he admires.
6) His last press conference in which he blasted Reverend Wright was pathetic.
Thus far the man has said nothing that would earn my vote. I don't envision him as a true candidate of real change and progress. As far as real progressive change goes, people like Dennis Kuchinic and Ralph Nader make a lot more sense and are more viable with regards to specific issues.
Other than a lot of talk and hot aire I see nothing of Obama to indicate that he is anything more than yet another typical career politician set in placeto carry about the bidding of special interest groups. Much like all the rest. if he were really a candidate of change he would not be where he is today.
Who cares, at least he's not McBush.
At this time that will have to do.
n2ize
05-10-2008, 06:26 PM
We should probably change the rules and select a non citizen from a foreign country for president. Then we may finally have an intelligent president who is worthwhile.
Voting for the lesser of two evils is a thing of the past, now it's about voting for the lesser of two morons.
Pretty damn sad.
K4GUN
05-10-2008, 06:50 PM
Voting for the lesser of two evils is a thing of the past, now it's about voting for the lesser of two morons.
Pretty damn sad.
Are you even voting? I was under the impression that you are a subject of England. I know you've got a US callsign, but I seem to recall that you insinuated that you are not a US citizen.
Are you even voting? I was under the impression that you are a subject of England. I know you've got a US callsign, but I seem to recall that you insinuated that you are not a US citizen.
You are going to be so sad to know that I am indeed still a US citizen as you would have know had you any reading retention at all. At no point did I ever insinuate otherwise.
I am not and will not be a Loyal Subject of the Crown as that designation no longer exists. I will be a British Citizen.
You do know that you can't just move somewhere and get instant citizenship, don't you?
As such it is my duty to vote for the least of the morons bring offered.
And vote I shall, though I still haven't decided who less of an idiot.
They are both pretty pathetic choices.
I do indeed have a US call sign, and will have for quite a long while.
I'll also have a UK call sign very soon. I'm looking forward to that day.
K4GUN
05-10-2008, 07:03 PM
You are going to be so sad to know that I am indeed still a US citizen as you would have know had you any reading retention at all. At no point did I ever insinuate otherwise.
I am not and will not be a Loyal Subject of the Crown as that designation no longer exists. I will be a British Citizen.
You do know that you can't just move somewhere and get instant citizenship, don't you?
As such it is my duty to vote for the least of the morons bring offered.
And vote I shall, though I still haven't decided who less of an idiot.
They are both pretty pathetic choices.
I do indeed have a US call sign, and will have for quite a long while.
I'll also have a UK call sign very soon. I'm looking forward to that day.
That's a pretty long answer for a simple question.
That's a pretty long answer for a simple question.
Yup, wanted to make sure you remembered. :D
W4HAY
05-10-2008, 09:19 PM
Clinton's Nuclear Option? (http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IMAGES/CARTOONS/toon042508c.gif)
*****
By the time Hillary Clinton figured out how to beat Barack Obama, it was too late...
...The line of attack is clear: not that Obama is himself radical or unpatriotic, just that, as a man of the academic left, he is so out of touch with everyday America that he could move so easily and untroubled in such extreme company and among such alien and elitist sentiments...
...There's only one remaining chapter in this fascinating spectacle: negotiating the terms of Hillary's surrender. After which we will have six months of her stumping the country for Obama, denying with utter conviction Republican charges that he is the out-of-touch, latte-sipping elitist she warned Democrats against so urgently in the last, late leg of her doomed campaign.
Hillary Seemed Out Of Step From The Start (http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=295222724726192)
*****
From the beginning, Hillary Clinton has campaigned as if the Democratic nomination were hers by divine right. That's why she is falling short — and that's why she should be persuaded to quit now, rather than later, before her majestic sense of entitlement splits the party along racial lines...
...Here's what she's really saying to party leaders: There's no way that white people are going to vote for the black guy. Come November, you'll be sorry.
How silly of me. I thought the Democratic Party believed in a colorblind America...
...This new business about white voters is just the latest story the Clinton campaign is telling itself about the usurper named Obama.
"It's still early," Clinton said last Wednesday, vowing to fight on. At some level, she seems to believe the nomination is hers. Somebody had better tell her the truth before she burns the house down.
Derail Hillary Before Hillary Divides Party
(http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=295222869945599)
We should probably change the rules and select a non citizen from a foreign country for president. Then we may finally have an intelligent president who is worthwhile.
I would be happy if they would just let ALL citizens be eligible to run.
Nonetheless, we are a still powerful voting bloc, and any candidate that wants to win has to make sure we are happy.
WB2WIK
05-11-2008, 03:13 AM
I would be happy if they would just let ALL citizens be eligible to run.
::I agree with this. For example, Schwartzenegger is a better Governor than most thought he'd be. I wouldn't mind voting for him for Prez; his only exclusion is he wasn't born here.
WB2WIK/6
"The Hillary DEMS"
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?print=yes&id=26442
.........and a life long Yankees fan to boot.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/05/12/video-the-return-of-hillarys-southern-accent/?print=1
n9rzd
05-13-2008, 12:10 PM
I like Richard Starkey
"Stuffs Gettin Better"
N4VGB
05-14-2008, 07:18 PM
Newest story from the "political analysts" is that one of Hillary Clinton's staff has now leaked her 'exit strategy'? Supposedly she's staying in until all the primaries are over and then will 'bow out' in June and throw her support to Obama.
Now Hillary hasn't changed her tune at all and states she's in "all the way" but that leaves open the question of where "all the way" might be? She doesn't specify?
I was so looking forward to a Convention fight. ;)
N9MOQ
05-14-2008, 07:42 PM
Other than a lot of talk and hot aire I see nothing of Obama to indicate that he is anything more than yet another typical career politician set in placeto carry about the bidding of special interest groups. Much like all the rest.
(GASP!) That is RACIST talk! :rolleyes:
If he were really a candidate of change he would not be where he is today.
The only way to get change, is to NOT vote for any candidate that is already a member of the government you want to change.
Hillary, Obama and McCain work together in the same building. REGARDLESS of how the "election" turns out, All 3 of them will be around for the next 4 years to continue giving us the SAME. The election won't put any of them out of their jobs. (Kerry still has his job too, he didn't lose from any "election" either.)
The only way to get CHANGE would be for a candidate that was NOT already in the government to be elected. But even then, Hillary, Obama and McCain would still be in power! So change is not possible under the current system.
Just like last election, all the candidates will get to remain in power. There will be absolutely no change.
N4VGB
05-14-2008, 07:56 PM
Now it gets even more weird, Dean announces some kind of joint campaign fund between Clinton & Obama!? What the !@#$ is this about!? :eek:
I gotta give you Dumbocrats one thing, ya sure know how to make politics fun! :)
AE6IP
05-14-2008, 10:40 PM
it's how they pay her off. silly, but if it shuts her up...
N4VGB
05-14-2008, 11:24 PM
it's how they pay her off. silly, but if it shuts her up...
Yeah, CNN ran a short story today explaining that Obama and the DNC do have legal means to cover her debt for her in this campaign. Even make sure she gets all her personal funds back that she loaned her campaign. If that's the deal that's been made, why doesn't she bow out today? Oh well, maybe part of the deal is she gets to play till the end. :rolleyes:
AE6IP
05-15-2008, 02:25 AM
no idea. i think she's angling for more. you know what they say about paying a blackmailer.
How it happened??
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/printpage/?url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/clintons_biggest_mistake.html
W4HAY
05-15-2008, 03:29 PM
Another nail in her coffin? (http://www.myembarq.com/news/news_reader.php?storyid=16058573&feedid=14)
Sounds like another one is sucking up to be VEEP, and may wind up sleeping on the couch!
Another nail in her coffin? (http://www.myembarq.com/news/news_reader.php?storyid=16058573&feedid=14)
Sounds like another one is sucking up to be VEEP, and may wind up sleeping on the couch!
Maybe it is because I am from Kansas. Obama has Kansas roots as well. But he will be making a major mistake by not nominating Gov. Sebelius as his Veep. She is well loved by everyone in that Republican state and she will give the ticket the female that many desire to see.
W4HAY
05-16-2008, 12:15 PM
...Journalists, and especially humorists, need to come clean and admit that none of us ever really wanted to see Hillary Clinton in the White House. No, it isn't her hair or her know-it-all attitude or her inexplicable marriage or her pitiful attempts to portray herself as a tribune of the working class or the fact that she went to Wellesley that puts us off. She's just no fun, and politicians who are no fun are hard to write about. A barrel of monkeys is fun. A barrel of dead monkeys is no fun. Hillary is less fun than three barrels of dead monkeys. Maybe 300...
...This brings us then to the obvious question: Are John McCain and Barack Obama the kinds of freewheeling cut-ups that can keep the rest of us in stitches for the next four to eight years? Clearly, neither is in the same class as Nixon, Ford and Carter, who made the '70s the most hilarious decade in American history...
Hillary Is Too Boring to Be President (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121089634226997137.html?mod=opinion_main_comment aries)
*****
Sorry, Sen. Clinton. Michigan and Florida can't save your campaign. Interviews with those considering how to handle the two states' banished convention delegates found little interest in the former first lady's best-case scenario...
Florida, Michigan delegates cannot save Clinton (http://www.myembarq.com/news/news_reader.php?storyid=16061904&feedid=14)
Poor Hill, what's a gal to do??
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/16/for-hillary-dont-dream-its-over/?print=1
N4VGB
05-16-2008, 09:58 PM
Poor Hill, what's a gal to do??
The same thing a Clinton always does, take the money and run! ;)
wa6ccw
05-17-2008, 03:39 AM
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IMAGES/CARTOONS/toon042408c.gif
The same thing a Clinton always does, take the money and run! ;)
Yes. She did run and she took campaign contribution money kinda like Chestnut faced McCain does. And Obama. Wow. It's like they are all taking money and running. You are onto something here I think.
No. It was just breaking wind from Tennessee.
N4VGB
05-17-2008, 04:50 AM
Yes. She did run and she took campaign contribution money kinda like Chestnut faced McCain does. And Obama. Wow. It's like they are all taking money and running. You are onto something here I think.
No. It was just breaking wind from Tennessee.
You are a slow one aren't you. Hillary is in deep campaign debt, much of it her own money. Hillary is out, her staff already leaked her "exit strategy", but not until Obama & the DNC cover her debt. It's a little blackmail game for her now, pay me or else. Not exactly the same game as for those staying in the race. Try to keep up. :rolleyes:
You are a slow one aren't you. Hillary is in deep campaign debt, much of it her own money. Hillary is out, her staff already leaked her "exit strategy", but not until Obama & the DNC cover her debt. It's a little blackmail game for her now, pay me or else. Not exactly the same game as for those staying in the race. Try to keep up. :rolleyes:
I was agreeing with you. You said Clinton took the money and run.
Maroon.
The no prize, surprise.....
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/printpage/?url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/equality_means_having_to_be_di.html
N4VGB
05-19-2008, 03:04 AM
I was agreeing with you. You said Clinton took the money and run.
Maroon.
Don't agree with me! It scares me! :eek:
Real nice Hill....
http://www.nypost.com/php/pfriendly/print.php?url=http://www.nypost.com/seven/05232008/news/nationalnews/why_hill_wont_drop_out__bobby_kennedy_wa_112232.ht m
N4VGB
05-23-2008, 09:40 PM
Real nice Hill....
Maybe Bill has one of his AK hit men trailing the Obama campaign already! :eek:
N5NPO
05-24-2008, 11:16 AM
Real nice Hill....
http://www.nypost.com/php/pfriendly/print.php?url=http://www.nypost.com/seven/05232008/news/nationalnews/why_hill_wont_drop_out__bobby_kennedy_wa_112232.ht m
WHAT WAS SHE THINKING????
Wonder what the secret service thinks about that?
WHAT WAS SHE THINKING????
Wonder what the secret service thinks about that?
Yesterday's comments will follow her all her days....
K4GUN
05-24-2008, 05:21 PM
Pretty stunning stuff... "I'm staying in the race because somebody might kill Obama in June." That's possibly the darkest reasoning I can immagine for staying in the race. She's literally pinning her presidential hopes upon the possibility of an assassination!
N4VGB
05-24-2008, 05:29 PM
Pretty stunning stuff... "I'm staying in the race because somebody might kill Obama in June." That's possibly the darkest reasoning I can immagine for staying in the race. She's literally pinning her presidential hopes upon the possibility of an assassination!
She is a Clinton! ;)
Femi-Nazis gone wild??
http://newsbusters.org/node/21486/print
Pretty stunning stuff... "I'm staying in the race because somebody might kill Obama in June." That's possibly the darkest reasoning I can immagine for staying in the race. She's literally pinning her presidential hopes upon the possibility of an assassination!
Yeah, that is some piece of work.
N4VGB
05-25-2008, 08:51 PM
Yeah, that is some piece of work.
She can't tell the truth of the situation. I'm staying in the race until Obama and the DNC pay off my campaign debt. :)
She can't tell the truth of the situation. I'm staying in the race until Obama and the DNC pay off my campaign debt. :)
I guess it's all she can do, she can't win and if she quits she loses any chance of reimbursement.
The whole pretending to be winning thing is getting pretty old though.
N4VGB
05-25-2008, 09:48 PM
I guess it's all she can do, she can't win and if she quits she loses any chance of reimbursement.
The whole pretending to be winning thing is getting pretty old though.
CNN broke this story about 2 weeks ago or so. Supposedly a campaign aid leaked Hillary's "exit strategy". I had already seen where a meeting had taken place between the DNC, Obama aids and Clinton aids.
It was a bit complicated in details but apparently there is a perfectly legal way for Obama and the DNC to pay off her campaign debt for her.
All smells like plain old political blackmail and graft to me. :rolleyes:
They're not buying it Hill.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/05/25/video-chris-wallace-rips-hillarys-non-apology-apology/?print=1
Liar-in-Chief says LIB media doing a job on his wife.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/bill-claims-media-cover-up-of-chances/print
N4VGB
05-27-2008, 03:15 AM
Liar-in-Chief says LIB media doing a job on his wife.
It's that "vast right wing conspiracy" again! ;)
w4glm
05-27-2008, 09:13 AM
One can only hope.....Mac